On December 10 2013 05:13 Brutaxilos wrote:
Why is it Bo3 the whole tournament?
Why is it Bo3 the whole tournament?
finals is bo5
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:13 Brutaxilos wrote: Why is it Bo3 the whole tournament? finals is bo5 | ||
Heartland
Sweden24562 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:16 NovemberstOrm wrote: finals is bo5 Said bo5 on their graph thing on stream now | ||
WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
(1447) HasuObs 0-0 StarDust (1650) Estimated by Aligulac. Modify. And remember, vote TheBB for L'sTLCMAT! | ||
vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:10 Squat wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 04:54 vthree wrote: On December 10 2013 04:49 Squat wrote: On December 10 2013 04:46 DJHelium wrote: On December 10 2013 04:43 Squat wrote: On December 10 2013 04:37 Valikyr wrote: On December 10 2013 04:33 Squat wrote: On December 10 2013 04:29 Valikyr wrote: And that's why Naniwa is the best foreigner. Great play. He played well, but if the best foreigner thing gets bandied about much more we may have to implement summary execution as the punishment. At least wait until after the showmatch. You won't be able to tell for sure after just one showmatch anyway. Nani is the most succesful foreigner this year. That's a fact (in prize winnings and being the only foreigner at the global finals). If he or Scarlett is really the better player I guess we can't tell for sure though. Scarlett has beaten better players, Nani has done better in tournaments, I guess it's up to what your criteria are like. I personally don't care too much about how far someone goes in a tournament, I care about who they play against. You can get lucky brackets with 2 foreigners and a fading Korean, or you can get Soulkey and Dear. A month long break due to wrist issues is not really going to help overall results either. Better players? I say Innovation, Dear and Jaedong are pretty much as good as they get. As opposed to Bomber/Maru/Life/MC/MMA? And JD was back when his ZvP was still lulzworthy. Dear is the only player there that compares right now, both Bomber and Maru are better than Innovation currently. Inno is much more consistent than Bomber. Well that's not actually hard. But this idea that Scarlett beat him just because he went and derped is just inane. She beat him in multiple series, post and pre patch. Most of these she just outplayed him, just by being faster and better. Bomber did not wet the bed, he just lost to someone who played better. Nani has done really well for himself, but he has also been rather fortunate with brackets at times. Every time he goes against a top 5 zerg he pretty much gets smashed. No one implied that about Scarlett. I just don't think you can say that Bomber is better than Inno currently. | ||
Brutaxilos
United States2572 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:08 NovaMB wrote: I'm interested to see what the Oracle buff did to PvP, haven't seen a PvP since the patch, but every Protoss seems to complain about it. Also it reminds me of EPS. Well, oracles will always do damage (and sometimes out right win if your opponent is moving out on the map) vs 'normal' builds. Of course, it is hard countered by Phoenix openings. But with Phoenix openings, you are way behind vs the normal builds. Although most mirrors have paper scissor rock type early game, it is very extreme in PvP right now. | ||
vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:17 Brutaxilos wrote: Wow, this tournament is $300 away from being a Premier tournament. GG foreigners 2013. I think with liquipedia's definition, it isn't just prize pool. I think at least part of it needs to be offline. | ||
JustPassingBy
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:17 Brutaxilos wrote: Wow, this tournament is $300 away from being a Premier tournament. GG foreigners 2013. Its online only so even with 50k, it would still be a Major Tournament. I think. But they gave the Premier status to TSL 4 so I dunno. | ||
Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:17 vthree wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 05:10 Squat wrote: On December 10 2013 04:54 vthree wrote: On December 10 2013 04:49 Squat wrote: On December 10 2013 04:46 DJHelium wrote: On December 10 2013 04:43 Squat wrote: On December 10 2013 04:37 Valikyr wrote: On December 10 2013 04:33 Squat wrote: On December 10 2013 04:29 Valikyr wrote: And that's why Naniwa is the best foreigner. Great play. He played well, but if the best foreigner thing gets bandied about much more we may have to implement summary execution as the punishment. At least wait until after the showmatch. You won't be able to tell for sure after just one showmatch anyway. Nani is the most succesful foreigner this year. That's a fact (in prize winnings and being the only foreigner at the global finals). If he or Scarlett is really the better player I guess we can't tell for sure though. Scarlett has beaten better players, Nani has done better in tournaments, I guess it's up to what your criteria are like. I personally don't care too much about how far someone goes in a tournament, I care about who they play against. You can get lucky brackets with 2 foreigners and a fading Korean, or you can get Soulkey and Dear. A month long break due to wrist issues is not really going to help overall results either. Better players? I say Innovation, Dear and Jaedong are pretty much as good as they get. As opposed to Bomber/Maru/Life/MC/MMA? And JD was back when his ZvP was still lulzworthy. Dear is the only player there that compares right now, both Bomber and Maru are better than Innovation currently. Inno is much more consistent than Bomber. Well that's not actually hard. But this idea that Scarlett beat him just because he went and derped is just inane. She beat him in multiple series, post and pre patch. Most of these she just outplayed him, just by being faster and better. Bomber did not wet the bed, he just lost to someone who played better. Nani has done really well for himself, but he has also been rather fortunate with brackets at times. Every time he goes against a top 5 zerg he pretty much gets smashed. No one implied that about Scarlett. I just don't think you can say that Bomber is better than Inno currently. It's pretty close, but the comparisons are also always going to be flawed because they don't play the same race, some opponents are just going to be stronger or weaker in that match-up. I generally think protoss is easier to play from a mechanical perspective, and the wealth of aggressive options and compact, powerful armies lend themselves better to upsetting really strong opponents. | ||
NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:21 vthree wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 05:08 NovaMB wrote: I'm interested to see what the Oracle buff did to PvP, haven't seen a PvP since the patch, but every Protoss seems to complain about it. Also it reminds me of EPS. Well, oracles will always do damage (and sometimes out right win if your opponent is moving out on the map) vs 'normal' builds. Of course, it is hard countered by Phoenix openings. But with Phoenix openings, you are way behind vs the normal builds. Although most mirrors have paper scissor rock type early game, it is very extreme in PvP right now. So its back to coinflip PvP from WoL? | ||
JustPassingBy
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Heartland
Sweden24562 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:21 vthree wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 05:08 NovaMB wrote: I'm interested to see what the Oracle buff did to PvP, haven't seen a PvP since the patch, but every Protoss seems to complain about it. Also it reminds me of EPS. Well, oracles will always do damage (and sometimes out right win if your opponent is moving out on the map) vs 'normal' builds. Of course, it is hard countered by Phoenix openings. But with Phoenix openings, you are way behind vs the normal builds. Although most mirrors have paper scissor rock type early game, it is very extreme in PvP right now. Phoenix openings can actually be incredibly strong. 3-gate Phoenix variants can outright beat Robo builds, Oracle-first Stargates and even Blink before critical mass is reached. | ||
Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:24 Squat wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 05:17 vthree wrote: On December 10 2013 05:10 Squat wrote: On December 10 2013 04:54 vthree wrote: On December 10 2013 04:49 Squat wrote: On December 10 2013 04:46 DJHelium wrote: On December 10 2013 04:43 Squat wrote: On December 10 2013 04:37 Valikyr wrote: On December 10 2013 04:33 Squat wrote: On December 10 2013 04:29 Valikyr wrote: And that's why Naniwa is the best foreigner. Great play. He played well, but if the best foreigner thing gets bandied about much more we may have to implement summary execution as the punishment. At least wait until after the showmatch. You won't be able to tell for sure after just one showmatch anyway. Nani is the most succesful foreigner this year. That's a fact (in prize winnings and being the only foreigner at the global finals). If he or Scarlett is really the better player I guess we can't tell for sure though. Scarlett has beaten better players, Nani has done better in tournaments, I guess it's up to what your criteria are like. I personally don't care too much about how far someone goes in a tournament, I care about who they play against. You can get lucky brackets with 2 foreigners and a fading Korean, or you can get Soulkey and Dear. A month long break due to wrist issues is not really going to help overall results either. Better players? I say Innovation, Dear and Jaedong are pretty much as good as they get. As opposed to Bomber/Maru/Life/MC/MMA? And JD was back when his ZvP was still lulzworthy. Dear is the only player there that compares right now, both Bomber and Maru are better than Innovation currently. Inno is much more consistent than Bomber. Well that's not actually hard. But this idea that Scarlett beat him just because he went and derped is just inane. She beat him in multiple series, post and pre patch. Most of these she just outplayed him, just by being faster and better. Bomber did not wet the bed, he just lost to someone who played better. Nani has done really well for himself, but he has also been rather fortunate with brackets at times. Every time he goes against a top 5 zerg he pretty much gets smashed. No one implied that about Scarlett. I just don't think you can say that Bomber is better than Inno currently. It's pretty close, but the comparisons are also always going to be flawed because they don't play the same race, some opponents are just going to be stronger or weaker in that match-up. I generally think protoss is easier to play from a mechanical perspective, and the wealth of aggressive options and compact, powerful armies lend themselves better to upsetting really strong opponents. Of course a Scarlett fan is going to think that protoss is easier to upset with.. what a surprise | ||
NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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Zheryn
Sweden3653 Posts
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:30 Zheryn wrote: I don't really see a reason not to go for oracles. Even with some defensively stalkers they can just zip through a bunch of workers and get out again. It does suck a lot vs phoenix openings. | ||
vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 10 2013 05:27 Heartland wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 05:21 vthree wrote: On December 10 2013 05:08 NovaMB wrote: I'm interested to see what the Oracle buff did to PvP, haven't seen a PvP since the patch, but every Protoss seems to complain about it. Also it reminds me of EPS. Well, oracles will always do damage (and sometimes out right win if your opponent is moving out on the map) vs 'normal' builds. Of course, it is hard countered by Phoenix openings. But with Phoenix openings, you are way behind vs the normal builds. Although most mirrors have paper scissor rock type early game, it is very extreme in PvP right now. Phoenix openings can actually be incredibly strong. 3-gate Phoenix variants can outright beat Robo builds, Oracle-first Stargates and even Blink before critical mass is reached. I think it loses to blink if the Protoss with blink goes at the right timing. | ||
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Sweden2158 Posts
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