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On November 22 2015 19:58 ivancype wrote:Good show, but... + Show Spoiler +First 8 episodes really good, the last 5 i think could be condensed in just 2. But it went back to really good by the end of the last episode.
damn it i have the feeling that will happen (again), just like Dareddevil.
I finished #3, the director definitely gets better since Dareddevil, the pacing is so smooth, love the small side stories like the neighbours, the broken door, the cockroach (rofl), + Show Spoiler +her relation with luke cage is cool so far (but the way she killed his wife is rather cliche).
and for the villian, i cringed so hard to see + Show Spoiler +lol. And then the accent, i mean, wouldn't it be bad if you use that highly recognizable voice to do crime lol. Control people to kill someone is rather weak as well, plot wise.
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Its one of these shows were I'm constantly asking myself how many dumb descitions the main characters can make in a row....
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Russian Federation1016 Posts
Fuck, I have things to do, but as worthless piece of shit I'm going to watch all 13 episodes in a row.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Couple thoughts:
David Tennant is a god. Trish and Jessica have great on-screen chemistry, like the characters. Lucas is w/e right now, can't really fit him in yet, seems interesting though. Seeing women kick ass is cool.
Interestingly enough (maybe I just dont notice) this is one of the first shows where I see people regulary having their smartphones getting charged, in other shows they always pick up their phone after being asleep and its not being charged. Realistically phones run out of battery after a day and people p much always put them in the charger before the next day.
I have no idea why that amuses me so.
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United States40778 Posts
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Enjoyed it a lot. You can say the last few episodes potentially could have been condensed some, but I think part of that is the side effect of watching 13 one hour episodes with no commercials in 1 or 2 days. It was certainly dark. Kilgrave was more graphicly homicidal than any version of the Joker that has ever been shown on live action film. And about as randomly psychotic. If he had a more measured mind he would have been controlling world leaders.
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Three episodes in and I'm enjoying it except for
+ Show Spoiler +Jessica not remembering that she has people from the restaurant that can attest to being mind-controlled and then telling the police officer that he should forget ever having been mind controlled, despite them being great witnesses for Hope. I suspect her attitude is "I can't ask anyone to testify for Hope until Kilgrave is behind bars since they'll be in danger." But still, tell them you might want their help in the future at least. Otherwise they might step forward themselves and die anyway. And she wanted that doctor guy to testify...
Also not telling Luke that Kilgrave exists is questionable. I hope she tells him once she realizes she's being tailed so aggressively, even if it does mean admitting she shoryuken'd his wife.
I do find it hilariously immersion-breaking how whether or not Jessica's shirt comes off during sex depends entirely on the camera angles they are using but I guess that's what you have to do to keep the Marvel logo and a decent lead actress.
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On November 22 2015 23:33 Snotling wrote: Its one of these shows were I'm constantly asking myself how many dumb descitions the main characters can make in a row....
This.
It was enjoyable but i liked Daredevil better. It just never really grabbed me (but a hangover and a 2 Screen Computer make you still binge stuff ). The by FAR best thing about this is the Villain, i think with another/worse Villain this show would be plain boring.
Daredevil also just looks better/darker and has WAY better Action Scenes.
I do find it hilariously immersion-breaking how whether or not Jessica's shirt comes off during sex depends entirely on the camera angles they are using but I guess that's what you have to do to keep the Marvel logo and a decent lead actress
This so much. If they do "sex" like this, they should just cut it out alltogether, also "Need the Bathroom after sex... Better Dress up first!"... Its probably more the Marvel-Logo than the actress(es)
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I like what they're trying to portray, the story etc. Some of the camera scenes, angles could have been much better!
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In terms of the fighting scenes, that's where I have most critique, they are just bland and mostly boring. They do a poor job at capturing her strength, and it's all over the place. On one hand she's so strong it's stupid, in other, you can tell she's just a normal person, and you get a more theatrical performance. I don't like that shit (stuff like, get pushed over by a weak woman, can't stop the black guy walking forward, but in the heat of the moment, one hand, and holds of the momentum of a car). And when she's throwing guys around, most of the time it looks like they're doing that fake shit they do in exhibitions!!
As a series, it's rly good, but as for the fighting scenes etc, camera angles n stuff, it's way below Daredevil. My 2 cents
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United States40778 Posts
I would love to see a 100lb woman with super strength in a world with proper physics so her pushing things had an equal and opposite reaction. If we accept that she has a reinforced body that could survive the internal stresses caused by the use of her strength she should still continually send herself flying. When she uses her super strength on the ground physics works and she is propelled high into the air, it'd be very amusing if punches had the same effect. Very bad for the show as she would constantly be trying to find immovable objects to brace herself against, but funny.
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Watched the first 4 Episodes and decided to quit.
In my opinion the writing is very subpar. The plot often needs to get pushed by the main character making stupid decisions with better writing many of these situations could have been avoided.
Next point is the lack of focus. Has a bit of dark tune to it but the adolescent romance scenes destroy that. Imo it would have been better to go for the dark, cynical theme or shoot towards an adolescent audience completely . Now we have a bit of both with both being subpar.
As others already pointed out, the fighting scenes are just not good, Ritter is not up for the job physically (the scenes aren't shot well either but that is another thing) and this is just not acceptable.
You can fail in the execution but failing in the basic requirement is just a big no no.
Credit can be given for the relatively innovative darker theme and bringing up diffcult topics but imo the nagatives of lack of focus, bad writing and bad action scenes outweigh that.
Not my cup of tea.
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On November 24 2015 00:23 KwarK wrote: I would love to see a 100lb woman with super strength in a world with proper physics so her pushing things had an equal and opposite reaction. If we accept that she has a reinforced body that could survive the internal stresses caused by the use of her strength she should still continually send herself flying. When she uses her super strength on the ground physics works and she is propelled high into the air, it'd be very amusing if punches had the same effect. Very bad for the show as she would constantly be trying to find immovable objects to brace herself against, but funny. Depends on how her strength works. Since she has no visible muscles, it is probably more about generating and directing kinetic energy with her mind automatically without thinking. As such she could control it so it flows one way only. It would also explain her jumping. She generates bursts of energy in one way. Every time she used it, it was always one way. We never see her do weight lifting with impossible amounts. She is always pushing, pulling or punching.
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That is mostly due to special effects budget than anything else. Throwing big things around is hard in a TV show, which is why she kicks everything across the around. Same with sending people flying through the air. I'm glad they stuck with practical effects throughout the series.
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On November 24 2015 00:59 AngryMag wrote: Watched the first 4 Episodes and decided to quit.
In my opinion the writing is very subpar. The plot often needs to get pushed by the main character making stupid decisions with better writing many of these situations could have been avoided.
Next point is the lack of focus. Has a bit of dark tune to it but the adolescent romance scenes destroy that. Imo it would have been better to go for the dark, cynical theme or shoot towards an adolescent audience completely . Now we have a bit of both with both being subpar.
As others already pointed out, the fighting scenes are just not good, Ritter is not up for the job physically (the scenes aren't shot well either but that is another thing) and this is just not acceptable.
You can fail in the execution but failing in the basic requirement is just a big no no.
Credit can be given for the relatively innovative darker theme and bringing up diffcult topics but imo the nagatives of lack of focus, bad writing and bad action scenes outweigh that.
Not my cup of tea.
I quit too after episode 6, such a shame i thought the first 3 episodes look really promising. Episode 6 really made me laugh + Show Spoiler +when they let kilgrave go just like that, you would imagine someone like kilgrave would have caused massive havoc in modern society by now, but nope, he just wants a pic of some girl every day and shouting everyone to quiet in some cafe.....
lack of focus etc, bad fighting scene really made me wonder why is she even a super hero and why should i bother continue watching.
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On November 24 2015 01:35 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 00:59 AngryMag wrote: Watched the first 4 Episodes and decided to quit.
In my opinion the writing is very subpar. The plot often needs to get pushed by the main character making stupid decisions with better writing many of these situations could have been avoided.
Next point is the lack of focus. Has a bit of dark tune to it but the adolescent romance scenes destroy that. Imo it would have been better to go for the dark, cynical theme or shoot towards an adolescent audience completely . Now we have a bit of both with both being subpar.
As others already pointed out, the fighting scenes are just not good, Ritter is not up for the job physically (the scenes aren't shot well either but that is another thing) and this is just not acceptable.
You can fail in the execution but failing in the basic requirement is just a big no no.
Credit can be given for the relatively innovative darker theme and bringing up diffcult topics but imo the nagatives of lack of focus, bad writing and bad action scenes outweigh that.
Not my cup of tea.
I quit too after episode 6, such a shame i thought the first 3 episodes look really promising. Episode 6 really made me laugh + Show Spoiler +when they let kilgrave go just like that, you would imagine someone like kilgrave would have caused massive havoc in modern society by now, but nope, he just wants a pic of some girl every day and shouting everyone to quiet in some cafe..... lack of focus etc, bad fighting scene really made me wonder why is she even a super hero and why should i bother continue watching. Just to point out that Kilgrave exist in a world with Ironman and the Avengers. So he is very invested in keeping a low profile and really only wants Jessica. There is literally nothing he could do against Ironman or if Shield found him.
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On November 24 2015 01:35 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 00:59 AngryMag wrote: Watched the first 4 Episodes and decided to quit.
In my opinion the writing is very subpar. The plot often needs to get pushed by the main character making stupid decisions with better writing many of these situations could have been avoided.
Next point is the lack of focus. Has a bit of dark tune to it but the adolescent romance scenes destroy that. Imo it would have been better to go for the dark, cynical theme or shoot towards an adolescent audience completely . Now we have a bit of both with both being subpar.
As others already pointed out, the fighting scenes are just not good, Ritter is not up for the job physically (the scenes aren't shot well either but that is another thing) and this is just not acceptable.
You can fail in the execution but failing in the basic requirement is just a big no no.
Credit can be given for the relatively innovative darker theme and bringing up diffcult topics but imo the nagatives of lack of focus, bad writing and bad action scenes outweigh that.
Not my cup of tea.
I quit too after episode 6, such a shame i thought the first 3 episodes look really promising. Episode 6 really made me laugh + Show Spoiler +when they let kilgrave go just like that, you would imagine someone like kilgrave would have caused massive havoc in modern society by now, but nope, he just wants a pic of some girl every day and shouting everyone to quiet in some cafe..... lack of focus etc, bad fighting scene really made me wonder why is she even a super hero and why should i bother continue watching.
Yeah I agree. In Series you can forget some scenes that get executed pretty weak since they run for hours and hours. Even ATG shows like The Wire or Breaking Bad have episodes with clear weaknesses but overall the positive impression keeps being the dominant one.
But stuff like the super hero just not being physically fit enough to pull of halfway decent action scenes and constant subpar writing just takes immersion and positive potential away, so that it isn't enough to create a positive overall impression.
We'll surely get more Netflix projects in the future and I will surely be on board for the next one again
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The Thing is, the fighting Scenes are just bad.
If they want to show her superstrenght, well... It would certainly help if people she punches or throws stay down instead of getting up again several times. She can stop a car with her hands but people have no Problem eating several of her punches (except when it was needed for her drama).
Let her "crush" arms/legs/whatever by just grappling/squelching... Why does she throw people around? She doesn't have some moral problem hurting people, so why did they insist on making these stupid fighting scenes were everybody has several lives? Daredevil also has this, but daredevil has no superstrenght therefore it was "ok". He actually got hurt and it seemed to influence him way more than it did Jessica. The fights in DD were just way more entertaining and better shot in general...
+ Show Spoiler +The fight with Luke Cage, which was clearly going to happen as soon as they introduced him, was also just boring... I just tought, she would somehow get away from him/he loses her, but then they went full retard and let a shotgun blast knock him out... Guy survived a damn gas explosion whiteout even hurting a bit).
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On November 24 2015 01:35 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 00:59 AngryMag wrote: Watched the first 4 Episodes and decided to quit.
In my opinion the writing is very subpar. The plot often needs to get pushed by the main character making stupid decisions with better writing many of these situations could have been avoided.
Next point is the lack of focus. Has a bit of dark tune to it but the adolescent romance scenes destroy that. Imo it would have been better to go for the dark, cynical theme or shoot towards an adolescent audience completely . Now we have a bit of both with both being subpar.
As others already pointed out, the fighting scenes are just not good, Ritter is not up for the job physically (the scenes aren't shot well either but that is another thing) and this is just not acceptable.
You can fail in the execution but failing in the basic requirement is just a big no no.
Credit can be given for the relatively innovative darker theme and bringing up diffcult topics but imo the nagatives of lack of focus, bad writing and bad action scenes outweigh that.
Not my cup of tea.
I quit too after episode 6, such a shame i thought the first 3 episodes look really promising. Episode 6 really made me laugh + Show Spoiler +when they let kilgrave go just like that, you would imagine someone like kilgrave would have caused massive havoc in modern society by now, but nope, he just wants a pic of some girl every day and shouting everyone to quiet in some cafe..... lack of focus etc, bad fighting scene really made me wonder why is she even a super hero and why should i bother continue watching. As was said Kilgrave would get demolished by SHIELD or even Hydra fast. Ironman would just shut down the sound so he cannot hear him and then knock him out in one blast. Thor probably cannot even be controlled by him and Hulk rage usually also resists non magical control. His power only lasts about 12h and he leaves a trail of witness behind him who remember everything.
As for ep 6 + Show Spoiler +They didn't let him go, his security saved him. Or am I a forgetting some other scene where they had him. Also kilgrave is not smart enough to rule america even if his power was stronger .
Well she is not a superhero, just a normal untrained person with powers that runs into someone stronger that enjoys torturing her.
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On November 24 2015 01:53 Velr wrote: The Thing is, the fighting Scenes are just bad.
If they want to show her superstrenght, well... It would certainly help if people she punches or throws stay down instead of getting up again several times. She can stop a car with her hands but people have no Problem eating several of her punches (except when it was needed for her drama).
Let her "crush" arms/legs/whatever by just grappling/squelching... Why does she throw people around? She doesn't have some moral problem hurting people, so why did they insist on making these stupid fighting scenes were everybody has several lives? Daredevil also has this, but daredevil has no superstrenght therefore it was "ok". He actually got hurt and it seemed to influence him way more than it did Jessica. The fights in DD were just way more entertaining and better shot in general...
She does not punch people with full power so to kill them. Or grab them strong enough to crush their limbs. And if anything was shown it was shown that she very much has a moral problem around seriously hurting people.
More about fighting + Show Spoiler +Also you didn't pay attention, when she fights ordinally mind controlled people she pushes them once and they go to sleep after hitting something. The security Kilgrave hired were all big strong men. Pushing them around should not knock them out easily, especially since it was on the street and they didn't hit anything but the ground. Of course I only watched first 7 ep so many later there are stupid fighting scenes
DD fights are better because DD is a fucking ninja with superpowers. And he fights other ninjas (some of the time). JJ is just a girl with superstrenght, some more durability and no training whatsoever. When she teams up with DD, maybe he can train her a bit
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On November 24 2015 02:45 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 01:35 BurningSera wrote:On November 24 2015 00:59 AngryMag wrote: Watched the first 4 Episodes and decided to quit.
In my opinion the writing is very subpar. The plot often needs to get pushed by the main character making stupid decisions with better writing many of these situations could have been avoided.
Next point is the lack of focus. Has a bit of dark tune to it but the adolescent romance scenes destroy that. Imo it would have been better to go for the dark, cynical theme or shoot towards an adolescent audience completely . Now we have a bit of both with both being subpar.
As others already pointed out, the fighting scenes are just not good, Ritter is not up for the job physically (the scenes aren't shot well either but that is another thing) and this is just not acceptable.
You can fail in the execution but failing in the basic requirement is just a big no no.
Credit can be given for the relatively innovative darker theme and bringing up diffcult topics but imo the nagatives of lack of focus, bad writing and bad action scenes outweigh that.
Not my cup of tea.
I quit too after episode 6, such a shame i thought the first 3 episodes look really promising. Episode 6 really made me laugh + Show Spoiler +when they let kilgrave go just like that, you would imagine someone like kilgrave would have caused massive havoc in modern society by now, but nope, he just wants a pic of some girl every day and shouting everyone to quiet in some cafe..... lack of focus etc, bad fighting scene really made me wonder why is she even a super hero and why should i bother continue watching. As was said Kilgrave would get demolished by SHIELD or even Hydra fast. Ironman would just shut down the sound so he cannot hear him and then knock him out in one blast. Thor probably cannot even be controlled by him and Hulk rage usually also resists non magical control. His power only lasts about 12h and he leaves a trail of witness behind him who remember everything. As for ep 6 + Show Spoiler +They didn't let him go, his security saved him. Or am I a forgetting some other scene where they had him. Also kilgrave is not smart enough to rule america even if his power was stronger . Well she is not a superhero, just a normal untrained person with powers that runs into someone stronger that enjoys torturing her.
Thanks for some info there, i didnt know how long his power lasts haha
but that was more or less my points: the writing simply is not up to the standard to support a 'not so super hero' super hero, especially since JJ won't get the redeeming feature of having good fighting scenes like DD. Unless they somehow use Luke Cage for that in the later episodes but i bet they didn't.
The first 4 episodes really look like they are going to sell me a detective-like cool chick who kicks asses (or get kicked, from time to time), tell me about her stories etc, in a dark tone/world setting. Still a fan of this team behind DD, JJ, will see what can they come up with next.
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