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Uldridge
Belgium4253 Posts
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nojok
France15837 Posts
On July 08 2018 05:54 Rebs wrote: Yeah they are human, no matter how you look at it the body's will wear faster even with a few days of recovery against England. Do you imply Sterling will eventually score a goal? | ||
Rookie6
Brazil583 Posts
Congrats Croatia and congrats Russia for an amazing run. Semi finals are looking great. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8727 Posts
On July 08 2018 06:04 Pr0wler wrote: So the cup stays in the EU. Thank you very much, we won again ! Its a shame that by 2020 it'll be out of the EU again... | ||
Rookie6
Brazil583 Posts
On July 08 2018 06:04 Pr0wler wrote: So the cup stays in the EU. Thank you very much, we won again ! Yeah, South America needs to catch up. In 2022 it will complete 20 years since a team outside Europe won the world cup. By the way, this is the first time in history that the semi finals don´t have one of either Brazil, Germany or Argentina. | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 08 2018 05:57 nojok wrote: Do you imply Sterling will eventually score a goal? Sure, with the positions he gets in often enough there is every chance he will get a ricochet, bobble or deflection. Mind you that has nothing to do with the physical conditons of the Croations. Sterling is an expert at missing chances, if he scores half the time he fucked it up and it went in anyway or he bundled it in somehow.. | ||
lethal111
Canada460 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania8852 Posts
On July 08 2018 06:08 Rookie6 wrote: Yeah, South America needs to catch up. In 2022 it will complete 20 years since a team outside Europe won the world cup. By the way, this is the first time in history that the semi finals don´t have one of either Brazil, Germany or Argentina. 30 years ago not a whole lot of Brazilian and Argentinian players moved to European clubs compared to today. Now many of their young prospects go to big European clubs where they sit on the bench or play for their reserve/youth squad where the level is much lower than in the South American top divisions. If we look over Brazil's squad we see that many of the players that made it took a detour and went to Portugal or Shakthar or a mid-table Spanish/German/French team where they continued to develop playing at a decent level before joining an elite club. When we see transfers like Vinicius to Real there's a high chance they'll waste away on the bench or at Castilla for 3 years before disappearing. | ||
Rookie6
Brazil583 Posts
On July 08 2018 07:10 Dan HH wrote: 30 years ago not a whole lot of Brazilian and Argentinian players moved to European clubs compared to today. Now many of their young prospects go to big European clubs where they sit on the bench or play for their reserve/youth squad where the level is much lower than in the South American top divisions. If we look over Brazil's squad we see that many of the players that made it took a detour and went to Portugal or Shakthar or a mid-table Spanish/German/French team where they continued to develop playing at a decent level before joining an elite club. When we see transfers like Vinicius to Real there's a high chance they'll waste away on the bench or at Castilla for 3 years before disappearing. Yeah, this is always a very discussed topic here. A lot of players come to mind who went to Europe as very promissing prospects, but always stayed on the bench and never developed enough. Neymar, for example, almost went to Europe very very young, but decided to stay one more season in Santos and establish himself more to make sure he would be a starting player before moving. This still happens a lot, but I feel it's less than it was 10-15 years ago. Maybe because our players and their agents are seeing this patern and investing more in the long term and not only in some easy money for a short term benefit. | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 08 2018 07:51 Rookie6 wrote: Yeah, this is always a very discussed topic here. A lot of players come to mind who went to Europe as very promissing prospects, but always stayed on the bench and never developed enough. Neymar, for example, almost went to Europe very very young, but decided to stay one more season in Santos and establish himself more to make sure he would be a starting player before moving. This still happens a lot, but I feel it's less than it was 10-15 years ago. Maybe because our players and their agents are seeing this patern and investing more in the long term and not only in some easy money for a short term benefit. While this is a relevant issue, its not a chronic one. Most Brazilian imports going direct to big club teams and being wasted is not really the standard anyway. Vinicius to real is not a normal situation either. Unless there are other cases the standard route has been for South American players to develop themselves in European leagues tahat are smaller. Thats the standard not the exception, which can only be a good thing. I am confused how this is relevant to SA teams falling behind. SA success has largely been decided by the Success of Brazil and Argentina, and its not unfathomable that neither of those two wouldnt make a semi final given how strong European teams have gotten in general. And its a bit misleading to say "havent won in 20 years". Rather its that they havent won since 2002/ Thats 4 editions of the tournament. Again that is largely down to Brazil success that trumps European dominance. Its not like teams like Columbia, Paraguy or Urguay were constantly making top 4s and now all of a sudden the arent. That was never a thing. | ||
Rookie6
Brazil583 Posts
On July 08 2018 09:56 Rebs wrote: While this is a relevant issue, its not a chronic one. Most Brazilian imports going direct to big club teams and being wasted is not really the standard anyway. Vinicius to real is not a normal situation either. Unless there are other cases the standard route has been for South American players to develop themselves in European leagues tahat are smaller. Thats the standard not the exception, which can only be a good thing. I am confused how this is relevant to SA teams falling behind. SA success has largely been decided by the Success of Brazil and Argentina, and its not unfathomable that neither of those two wouldnt make a semi final given how strong European teams have gotten in general. And its a bit misleading to say "havent won in 20 years". Rather its that they havent won since 2002/ Thats 4 editions of the tournament. Again that is largely down to Brazil success that trumps European dominance. Its not like teams like Columbia, Paraguy or Urguay were constantly making top 4s and now all of a sudden the arent. That was never a thing. Oh I don't think that has to do with SA not getting to the semis this year or not winning since 2002, I was just responding the comment that quoted me. And that is a constantly discussed topic here, not that it has to do with us falling behind or anything. And Europe never won 3 world cups in a row before, and now it will be their fourth. That's a very long time, which says something about how especially Argentina and Brazil performed since 2002. Even though Argentina got to a final. Just to be clear, I also don't think Brazil is in crisis or are playing bad or anything. We lost in the Ro8 in 2006 to France, who got to the finals, in the Ro8 in 2010 to Netherlands, who got to the finals, in the semis to Germany, who were the champions, and to Belgium this year in the Ro8. Not the worst results in my opinion, but as a south american I always want to see south americans teams in the later stages of the tournament, and I hope 2022 is a better cup for us. | ||
Greg_J
China4408 Posts
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
Of course the problem with these kinds of analyses is that if one or two of the 45754 clear chances Brazil had vs Belgium had gone in, we'd be talking about Brazil's dominance in football. | ||
DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
On July 06 2018 17:14 DaCruise wrote: Think you are too pessimistic France 2-0 Uruguay Brazil 3-4 Belgium Croatia 2-1 Russia England 0-0 Sweden (England wins on penalties,,,,AGAIN!) Damn. Wasnt far off on those results. At least I got the winners right. | ||
aseq
Netherlands3926 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18001 Posts
Pretty sure one of his roles is to score goals | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8727 Posts
On July 08 2018 18:21 aseq wrote: Not necessarily my opinion, but as people only seem to be negative about sterling: https://youtu.be/kcHslKK0VMQ Alot of what he says is true, but on top of that, Sterling also misses loads of chances and runs into groups of opposition players. He gave the ball away so much yesterday. On July 08 2018 18:24 sharkie wrote: Hasn't all goals from England come from standards? So if his role is to allow others to score them, why isnt it working? Pretty sure one of his roles is to score goals The point is that his role is to create the space needed to be able to play the formation that England play at all. Without hard working midfielders like Lingard, it wouldn't work either, but Sterling is key to that. | ||
don_kyuhote
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nojok
France15837 Posts
On July 08 2018 18:24 sharkie wrote: Hasn't all goals from England come from standards? So if his role is to allow others to score them, why isnt it working? Pretty sure one of his roles is to score goals England is mostly trying to earn cheap fouls in dangerous areas or corner kicks and he's a good player for that. Then Harry Kane grabs his opponent before falling on the ground when the defender reacts in the same way. After all of that they go full judgemental on how the Colombians were dirty. The Uruguyans were playing tough as well and did not have any problem against the Portuguese or the French because the teams played it fair and tough, no sneaky provocation like the English did all game against Colombia with the ref in their pocket. | ||
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