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"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
These days, the militia concept is obsolete. The US military could own and slaughter any possible militia, and is more than capable of defending the country. The militia is no longer "necessary." Therefore the 2nd A, by its terms, is inoperative.
In Heller, Scalia demonstrates his love for the text of the constitution by saying the 2nd A grants a right to keep and bear arms for self-defense purposes. One has to really strain to read "security of a free state" to encompass personal self-defense against random criminals. The words written in the 2nd A mean that the militia's existence is in relation to the defense of the state.
But since Scalia and conservatives favor a particular gun policy, they are willing to excise a portion of the Constitution.
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On January 25 2019 01:32 Doodsmack wrote: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
These days, the militia concept is obsolete. The US military could own and slaughter any possible militia, and is more than capable of defending the country. The militia is no longer "necessary." Therefore the 2nd A, by its terms, is inoperative.
In Heller, Scalia demonstrates his love for the text of the constitution by saying the 2nd A grants a right to keep and bear arms for self-defense purposes. One has to really strain to read "security of a free state" to encompass personal self-defense against random criminals. The words written in the 2nd A mean that the militia's existence is in relation to the defense of the state.
But since Scalia and conservatives favor a particular gun policy, they are willing to excise a portion of the Constitution.
Yea, we live in a confused fucking country... I don't feel freer knowing that some shit head might walk into a bank and just gun everyone down.
NO intention to rob the bank, just violence.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/us/sebring-florida-bank-shooting/index.html
Rest assured... Ron Desantis will do jack shit about this... So sad that state came so close to electing someone other than a toad. "Thoughts and prayers tweeted... check. We're done here boys."
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Not sure if this counts as a mass shooting or not because of the different locales but 5 dead and the suspect is on the run
A manhunt is underway in Louisiana following a string of shootings that left the suspect's parents and 3 others dead, law enforcement officials said.
Authorities are looking for 21-year Dakota Theriot after two Saturday morning shootings in Ascension and Livingston parishes, near Baton Rouge.
Dakota Theriot is also suspected of killing three more people less than 30 miles northeast in Livingston Parish. The victims, Billy Ernest, 43, Summer Ernest, 20, and 17-year-old Tanner Ernest, were found dead Saturday morning, the Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office said.
At least one of the Livingston victims was a friend of Theriot's, the sheriff's office said.
www.cnn.com
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On January 27 2019 08:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Not sure if this counts as a mass shooting or not because of the different locales but 5 dead and the suspect is on the run Show nested quote +A manhunt is underway in Louisiana following a string of shootings that left the suspect's parents and 3 others dead, law enforcement officials said.
Authorities are looking for 21-year Dakota Theriot after two Saturday morning shootings in Ascension and Livingston parishes, near Baton Rouge.
Dakota Theriot is also suspected of killing three more people less than 30 miles northeast in Livingston Parish. The victims, Billy Ernest, 43, Summer Ernest, 20, and 17-year-old Tanner Ernest, were found dead Saturday morning, the Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office said.
At least one of the Livingston victims was a friend of Theriot's, the sheriff's office said. www.cnn.com
It does.
Just doesn't seem to mean shit anymore in the country, regardless of how many people die.
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wouldnt the above incident be considered a case of serial killings rather than mass murder?
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On January 27 2019 13:53 evilfatsh1t wrote: wouldnt the above incident be considered a case of serial killings rather than mass murder?
I guess the term is "spree killer"
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Well this sort of thing is sure not going to help with cops being trigger happy.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/houston-officers-shot/index.html
What a shitty and dangerous job being a cop in the states is. Not only are you hated, underpaid, and under trained. But you have a pretty legitimate chance of being shot, have a friend killed and or killing someone. I'm sure many of these guys suffer from PTSD as a result and then of course the risk of actually being killed.
Obviously there is a bunch of super shitty dirty cops that should be arrested, no argument there. But my above comment is towards the ones that are not evil. I also wonder how many start off with good intentions and then do to the stress of the above and possibly PTSD go down the wrong path.
What a mess.
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On January 29 2019 12:12 JimmiC wrote:Well this sort of thing is sure not going to help with cops being trigger happy. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/houston-officers-shot/index.htmlWhat a shitty and dangerous job being a cop in the states is. Not only are you hated, underpaid, and under trained. But you have a pretty legitimate chance of being shot, have a friend killed and or killing someone. I'm sure many of these guys suffer from PTSD as a result and then of course the risk of actually being killed. Obviously there is a bunch of super shitty dirty cops that should be arrested, no argument there. But my above comment is towards the ones that are not evil. I also wonder how many start off with good intentions and then do to the stress of the above and possibly PTSD go down the wrong path. What a mess.
It's a shitty job for the same reasons most/many jobs are shitty.
Surely cops, especially narc cops, are aware that "POLICE!" can be yelled by anyone breaking down your door to take your drugs and money. No one is going to wait to check your credentials before they try to stop you. I don't know what they expected?
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On January 29 2019 12:55 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2019 12:12 JimmiC wrote:Well this sort of thing is sure not going to help with cops being trigger happy. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/houston-officers-shot/index.htmlWhat a shitty and dangerous job being a cop in the states is. Not only are you hated, underpaid, and under trained. But you have a pretty legitimate chance of being shot, have a friend killed and or killing someone. I'm sure many of these guys suffer from PTSD as a result and then of course the risk of actually being killed. Obviously there is a bunch of super shitty dirty cops that should be arrested, no argument there. But my above comment is towards the ones that are not evil. I also wonder how many start off with good intentions and then do to the stress of the above and possibly PTSD go down the wrong path. What a mess. It's a shitty job for the same reasons most/many jobs are shitty. Surely cops, especially narc cops, are aware that "POLICE!" can be yelled by anyone breaking down your door to take your drugs and money. No one is going to wait to check your credentials before they try to stop you. I don't know what they expected?
Odd my job has shitty parts and none of them involve being shot at or possibly shooting someone, or even close to that level of stress.
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Good news (from my gun rights perspective) for America: A couple good cases are before the Supreme Court on bad gun laws.
With the Supreme Court now having five justices who are less likely to approve of gun regulations and laws, it granted a major gun case Tuesday for the first time in nearly a decade.
The court granted a right-to-carry case out of New York that pits the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association against the City of New York. New York bans transporting permitted handguns outside city lines, even if the gun is not loaded and is locked in a container. The guns currently can only be taken to the handful of shooting ranges within city limits.
The case could have wide ramifications for gun rights and gun restrictions across the country, depending on how broadly the court rules.
Conservative justices have been champing at the bit to take up gun rights cases. Justice Clarence Thomas in 2014, for example, criticized the court for not taking up more gun cases, calling it a "disfavored" right.
"The right to keep and bear arms is apparently this Court's constitutional orphan," Thomas wrote.
With a newfound majority after the confirmation of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, conservatives may have their chance to make a broad ruling, holding, for example, that the right to own a gun means the right to carry one, or it could rule more narrowly, saying New York's law is overly restrictive or something in between. NPR (also, Scotusblog Case Hub)
This is a big chance for the Supreme Court to affirm American citizen's "bear arms" rights, and make the defense of such rights stand among the other important Bill of Rights amendments like the first amendment. The second amendment has been a "constitutional orphan" and "second-class right" for far too long. This is one step back in the right direction. The more secure Americans can feel in their second amendment rights, the better public comity for gun control in the margins. Unloaded guns in locked containers merely being transported out of the city seems like an obvious entry point we can agree on (or can we in this forum lol?)
The sensible next steps is to challenge gun laws on concealed carry permits that first ask the petitioner to prove he or she has good cause to need one. The right to bear arms is not subject to proving somebody's out to get you.
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On January 29 2019 13:05 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2019 12:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 12:12 JimmiC wrote:Well this sort of thing is sure not going to help with cops being trigger happy. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/houston-officers-shot/index.htmlWhat a shitty and dangerous job being a cop in the states is. Not only are you hated, underpaid, and under trained. But you have a pretty legitimate chance of being shot, have a friend killed and or killing someone. I'm sure many of these guys suffer from PTSD as a result and then of course the risk of actually being killed. Obviously there is a bunch of super shitty dirty cops that should be arrested, no argument there. But my above comment is towards the ones that are not evil. I also wonder how many start off with good intentions and then do to the stress of the above and possibly PTSD go down the wrong path. What a mess. It's a shitty job for the same reasons most/many jobs are shitty. Surely cops, especially narc cops, are aware that "POLICE!" can be yelled by anyone breaking down your door to take your drugs and money. No one is going to wait to check your credentials before they try to stop you. I don't know what they expected? Odd my job has shitty parts and none of them involve being shot at or possibly shooting someone, or even close to that level of stress.
Didn't say all did I? Come to the US and work for minimum wage or marginally above it and you'll know what I'm talking about. Cops are obviously not in the top 10 dangerous jobs, but I'm not even sure they are in the top 10 most likely to be shot at work?
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On January 29 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2019 13:05 JimmiC wrote:On January 29 2019 12:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 12:12 JimmiC wrote:Well this sort of thing is sure not going to help with cops being trigger happy. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/houston-officers-shot/index.htmlWhat a shitty and dangerous job being a cop in the states is. Not only are you hated, underpaid, and under trained. But you have a pretty legitimate chance of being shot, have a friend killed and or killing someone. I'm sure many of these guys suffer from PTSD as a result and then of course the risk of actually being killed. Obviously there is a bunch of super shitty dirty cops that should be arrested, no argument there. But my above comment is towards the ones that are not evil. I also wonder how many start off with good intentions and then do to the stress of the above and possibly PTSD go down the wrong path. What a mess. It's a shitty job for the same reasons most/many jobs are shitty. Surely cops, especially narc cops, are aware that "POLICE!" can be yelled by anyone breaking down your door to take your drugs and money. No one is going to wait to check your credentials before they try to stop you. I don't know what they expected? Odd my job has shitty parts and none of them involve being shot at or possibly shooting someone, or even close to that level of stress. Didn't say all did I? Come to the US and work for minimum wage or marginally above it and you'll know what I'm talking about. Cops are obviously not in the top 10 dangerous jobs, but I'm not even sure they are in the top 10 most likely to be shot at work?
Yes being a truck driver is more "dangerous" because of the way they make those silly lists. And that is why i included stress, ptsd and so on. You will have to dig a little deeper than googling a click bait top 10 deadly jobs to find out why military and police suck so bad.
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On January 29 2019 13:17 Danglars wrote:Good news (from my gun rights perspective) for America: A couple good cases are before the Supreme Court on bad gun laws. Show nested quote +With the Supreme Court now having five justices who are less likely to approve of gun regulations and laws, it granted a major gun case Tuesday for the first time in nearly a decade.
The court granted a right-to-carry case out of New York that pits the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association against the City of New York. New York bans transporting permitted handguns outside city lines, even if the gun is not loaded and is locked in a container. The guns currently can only be taken to the handful of shooting ranges within city limits.
The case could have wide ramifications for gun rights and gun restrictions across the country, depending on how broadly the court rules.
Conservative justices have been champing at the bit to take up gun rights cases. Justice Clarence Thomas in 2014, for example, criticized the court for not taking up more gun cases, calling it a "disfavored" right.
"The right to keep and bear arms is apparently this Court's constitutional orphan," Thomas wrote.
With a newfound majority after the confirmation of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, conservatives may have their chance to make a broad ruling, holding, for example, that the right to own a gun means the right to carry one, or it could rule more narrowly, saying New York's law is overly restrictive or something in between. NPR (also, Scotusblog Case Hub) This is a big chance for the Supreme Court to affirm American citizen's "bear arms" rights, and make the defense of such rights stand among the other important Bill of Rights amendments like the first amendment. The second amendment has been a "constitutional orphan" and "second-class right" for far too long. This is one step back in the right direction. The more secure Americans can feel in their second amendment rights, the better public comity for gun control in the margins. Unloaded guns in locked containers merely being transported out of the city seems like an obvious entry point we can agree on (or can we in this forum lol?) The sensible next steps is to challenge gun laws on concealed carry permits that first ask the petitioner to prove he or she has good cause to need one. The right to bear arms is not subject to proving somebody's out to get you.
Yeah, i guess all the bullshit to steal justices to stack the courts with hardcore conservatives paid off in the end. You get to keep on murdering each other forever, and it will be made even more easy for you to do so. I hope you are happy.
It just seems so absurd that this is something that you view as a good thing.
At this point, i kinda just wish there was a way to put all the US conservatives into the hellscape they love to create for themselves and let them be happy there, but keep them from hurting all the other people in the country.
Just have a no healthcare, all guns, all coal, all corruption confederate state with a wall around it in the south, and a reasonable state in the north.
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On January 29 2019 22:22 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 13:05 JimmiC wrote:On January 29 2019 12:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 12:12 JimmiC wrote:Well this sort of thing is sure not going to help with cops being trigger happy. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/houston-officers-shot/index.htmlWhat a shitty and dangerous job being a cop in the states is. Not only are you hated, underpaid, and under trained. But you have a pretty legitimate chance of being shot, have a friend killed and or killing someone. I'm sure many of these guys suffer from PTSD as a result and then of course the risk of actually being killed. Obviously there is a bunch of super shitty dirty cops that should be arrested, no argument there. But my above comment is towards the ones that are not evil. I also wonder how many start off with good intentions and then do to the stress of the above and possibly PTSD go down the wrong path. What a mess. It's a shitty job for the same reasons most/many jobs are shitty. Surely cops, especially narc cops, are aware that "POLICE!" can be yelled by anyone breaking down your door to take your drugs and money. No one is going to wait to check your credentials before they try to stop you. I don't know what they expected? Odd my job has shitty parts and none of them involve being shot at or possibly shooting someone, or even close to that level of stress. Didn't say all did I? Come to the US and work for minimum wage or marginally above it and you'll know what I'm talking about. Cops are obviously not in the top 10 dangerous jobs, but I'm not even sure they are in the top 10 most likely to be shot at work? Yes being a truck driver is more "dangerous" because of the way they make those silly lists. And that is why i included stress, ptsd and so on. You will have to dig a little deeper than googling a click bait top 10 deadly jobs to find out why military and police suck so bad.
I mean that's what the top 10 jobs you're most likely to be shot at part was about, did you not find information contradicting that? I'm not sure they rank highly on stress or PTSD either?
My suspicion is that like the misconception that they have one of the most dangerous jobs, I suspect the PTSD and being shot at thing is the same.
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On January 29 2019 22:59 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2019 22:22 JimmiC wrote:On January 29 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 13:05 JimmiC wrote:On January 29 2019 12:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 12:12 JimmiC wrote:Well this sort of thing is sure not going to help with cops being trigger happy. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/houston-officers-shot/index.htmlWhat a shitty and dangerous job being a cop in the states is. Not only are you hated, underpaid, and under trained. But you have a pretty legitimate chance of being shot, have a friend killed and or killing someone. I'm sure many of these guys suffer from PTSD as a result and then of course the risk of actually being killed. Obviously there is a bunch of super shitty dirty cops that should be arrested, no argument there. But my above comment is towards the ones that are not evil. I also wonder how many start off with good intentions and then do to the stress of the above and possibly PTSD go down the wrong path. What a mess. It's a shitty job for the same reasons most/many jobs are shitty. Surely cops, especially narc cops, are aware that "POLICE!" can be yelled by anyone breaking down your door to take your drugs and money. No one is going to wait to check your credentials before they try to stop you. I don't know what they expected? Odd my job has shitty parts and none of them involve being shot at or possibly shooting someone, or even close to that level of stress. Didn't say all did I? Come to the US and work for minimum wage or marginally above it and you'll know what I'm talking about. Cops are obviously not in the top 10 dangerous jobs, but I'm not even sure they are in the top 10 most likely to be shot at work? Yes being a truck driver is more "dangerous" because of the way they make those silly lists. And that is why i included stress, ptsd and so on. You will have to dig a little deeper than googling a click bait top 10 deadly jobs to find out why military and police suck so bad. I mean that's what the top 10 jobs you're most likely to be shot at part was about, did you not find information contradicting that? I'm not sure they rank highly on stress or PTSD either? My suspicion is that like the misconception that they have one of the most dangerous jobs, I suspect the PTSD and being shot at thing is the same.
First any list I find specifically about murders has police #1
https://www.vox.com/2014/12/2/7313827/workplace-homicide-murder-violent
Second I think you are highly discounting the emotional stress of being at crime scenes (hell they also have to go to traffic fatalities and just bad accidents), seeing kids and others murdered. Also, there is a huge psychological difference between the dangers of driving or falling off a roof compared to being shot. There is also all those times when the situation is not dangerous but you have to treat it as such because you don't know, such as every time you pull someone over.
This is the case somewhat in the rest of the world for cops, but because of the way less guns and gun violence it happens way less. Not to mention in most places they are also better trained, paid better and have more options for emotional support.
There are a lot of societal issues outside of just the actual violence that guns violence creates. Mental health is up there as is the cost to your healthcare system.
I think you are severely discounting
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On January 29 2019 23:36 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2019 22:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 22:22 JimmiC wrote:On January 29 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 13:05 JimmiC wrote:On January 29 2019 12:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 12:12 JimmiC wrote:Well this sort of thing is sure not going to help with cops being trigger happy. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/houston-officers-shot/index.htmlWhat a shitty and dangerous job being a cop in the states is. Not only are you hated, underpaid, and under trained. But you have a pretty legitimate chance of being shot, have a friend killed and or killing someone. I'm sure many of these guys suffer from PTSD as a result and then of course the risk of actually being killed. Obviously there is a bunch of super shitty dirty cops that should be arrested, no argument there. But my above comment is towards the ones that are not evil. I also wonder how many start off with good intentions and then do to the stress of the above and possibly PTSD go down the wrong path. What a mess. It's a shitty job for the same reasons most/many jobs are shitty. Surely cops, especially narc cops, are aware that "POLICE!" can be yelled by anyone breaking down your door to take your drugs and money. No one is going to wait to check your credentials before they try to stop you. I don't know what they expected? Odd my job has shitty parts and none of them involve being shot at or possibly shooting someone, or even close to that level of stress. Didn't say all did I? Come to the US and work for minimum wage or marginally above it and you'll know what I'm talking about. Cops are obviously not in the top 10 dangerous jobs, but I'm not even sure they are in the top 10 most likely to be shot at work? Yes being a truck driver is more "dangerous" because of the way they make those silly lists. And that is why i included stress, ptsd and so on. You will have to dig a little deeper than googling a click bait top 10 deadly jobs to find out why military and police suck so bad. I mean that's what the top 10 jobs you're most likely to be shot at part was about, did you not find information contradicting that? I'm not sure they rank highly on stress or PTSD either? My suspicion is that like the misconception that they have one of the most dangerous jobs, I suspect the PTSD and being shot at thing is the same. First any list I find specifically about murders has police #1 https://www.vox.com/2014/12/2/7313827/workplace-homicide-murder-violentSecond I think you are highly discounting the emotional stress of being at crime scenes (hell they also have to go to traffic fatalities and just bad accidents), seeing kids and others murdered. Also, there is a huge psychological difference between the dangers of driving or falling off a roof compared to being shot. There is also all those times when the situation is not dangerous but you have to treat it as such because you don't know, such as every time you pull someone over. This is the case somewhat in the rest of the world for cops, but because of the way less guns and gun violence it happens way less. Not to mention in most places they are also better trained, paid better and have more options for emotional support. There are a lot of societal issues outside of just the actual violence that guns violence creates. Mental health is up there as is the cost to your healthcare system. I think you are severely discounting
I am severely discounting. This one has them as number 2
+ Show Spoiler +
but that's still safely in the top 10.
I suppose I'm just jaded by growing up poor and Black in the US, nothing in that list isn't a part of my childhood and every job I've had (granted I didn't go to crime scenes on all of them).
With that in mind the US is big and diverse, so the risks are more geographical and where a lot of cops die, a lot of people die too but the impact is more diffuse when broken down by profession.
So lets take Chiraq for example, growing up there will provide you with plenty more traumatic experiences and life threatening (actual threat not potential) situations than a typical rural cop in most of the middle of the country or much of the South.
That's before we even consider interactions with police and the trauma they cause. Retail workers get shot a lot but I bet they give far fewer people PTSD too.
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On January 29 2019 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2019 23:36 JimmiC wrote:On January 29 2019 22:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 22:22 JimmiC wrote:On January 29 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 13:05 JimmiC wrote:On January 29 2019 12:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 29 2019 12:12 JimmiC wrote:Well this sort of thing is sure not going to help with cops being trigger happy. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/houston-officers-shot/index.htmlWhat a shitty and dangerous job being a cop in the states is. Not only are you hated, underpaid, and under trained. But you have a pretty legitimate chance of being shot, have a friend killed and or killing someone. I'm sure many of these guys suffer from PTSD as a result and then of course the risk of actually being killed. Obviously there is a bunch of super shitty dirty cops that should be arrested, no argument there. But my above comment is towards the ones that are not evil. I also wonder how many start off with good intentions and then do to the stress of the above and possibly PTSD go down the wrong path. What a mess. It's a shitty job for the same reasons most/many jobs are shitty. Surely cops, especially narc cops, are aware that "POLICE!" can be yelled by anyone breaking down your door to take your drugs and money. No one is going to wait to check your credentials before they try to stop you. I don't know what they expected? Odd my job has shitty parts and none of them involve being shot at or possibly shooting someone, or even close to that level of stress. Didn't say all did I? Come to the US and work for minimum wage or marginally above it and you'll know what I'm talking about. Cops are obviously not in the top 10 dangerous jobs, but I'm not even sure they are in the top 10 most likely to be shot at work? Yes being a truck driver is more "dangerous" because of the way they make those silly lists. And that is why i included stress, ptsd and so on. You will have to dig a little deeper than googling a click bait top 10 deadly jobs to find out why military and police suck so bad. I mean that's what the top 10 jobs you're most likely to be shot at part was about, did you not find information contradicting that? I'm not sure they rank highly on stress or PTSD either? My suspicion is that like the misconception that they have one of the most dangerous jobs, I suspect the PTSD and being shot at thing is the same. First any list I find specifically about murders has police #1 https://www.vox.com/2014/12/2/7313827/workplace-homicide-murder-violentSecond I think you are highly discounting the emotional stress of being at crime scenes (hell they also have to go to traffic fatalities and just bad accidents), seeing kids and others murdered. Also, there is a huge psychological difference between the dangers of driving or falling off a roof compared to being shot. There is also all those times when the situation is not dangerous but you have to treat it as such because you don't know, such as every time you pull someone over. This is the case somewhat in the rest of the world for cops, but because of the way less guns and gun violence it happens way less. Not to mention in most places they are also better trained, paid better and have more options for emotional support. There are a lot of societal issues outside of just the actual violence that guns violence creates. Mental health is up there as is the cost to your healthcare system. I think you are severely discounting I am severely discounting. This one has them as number 2 + Show Spoiler +but that's still safely in the top 10. I suppose I'm just jaded by growing up poor and Black in the US, nothing in that list isn't a part of my childhood and every job I've had (granted I didn't go to crime scenes on all of them). With that in mind the US is big and diverse, so the risks are more geographical and where a lot of cops die, a lot of people die too but the impact is more diffuse when broken down by profession. So lets take Chiraq for example, growing up there will provide you with plenty more traumatic experiences and life threatening (actual threat not potential) situations than a typical rural cop in most of the middle of the country or much of the South. That's before we even consider interactions with police and the trauma they cause. Retail workers get shot a lot but I bet they give far fewer people PTSD too.
I agree guns and more specifically gun violence is a huge problem for your entire country. And the cycle of Cops giving it to people and people giving it to other people and giving it to cops is non-stop. And it is the chicken and the egg thing.
I'm not looking to get into an argument of who has it worst because we would likely agree. I'm simply trying to point out the magnitude of the problem. A mass cultural shift needs to happen, and it's shocking from the outside that more American's are not saying, "enough is enough".
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Wtf is food service managers and why are they half as likely to be killed doing a job where you wear a gun?
In fact the most disturbing thing is that retail sales workers / cashiers are "only" about 40% as likely to be murdered as a job where you might infact be expected to apprehend armed criminals.
Now that would be stressful.
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On January 30 2019 00:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Wtf is food service managers and why are they half as likely to be killed doing a job where you wear a gun?
In fact the most disturbing thing is that retail sales workers / cashiers are "only" about 40% as likely to be murdered as a job where you might infact be expected to apprehend armed criminals.
Now that would be stressful.
this is kinda my point. Retail jobs typically don't come with big parades, quality healthcare, bulletproof vests, high probabilities of the culprit being caught, any assurances there won't be retribution if they are caught, on and on if you are shot/killed.
It wasn't so much who has it worse but that it doesn't draw much sympathy from me and certainly in no way excuses bad behavior. Also that it's directed to the mythical good cop. The police are bad at the institutional level, there aren't good cops in my view, just ones ignorant about the harm they are causing/increasing and ones that know and don't care/enjoy it.
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On January 29 2019 22:52 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2019 13:17 Danglars wrote:Good news (from my gun rights perspective) for America: A couple good cases are before the Supreme Court on bad gun laws. With the Supreme Court now having five justices who are less likely to approve of gun regulations and laws, it granted a major gun case Tuesday for the first time in nearly a decade.
The court granted a right-to-carry case out of New York that pits the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association against the City of New York. New York bans transporting permitted handguns outside city lines, even if the gun is not loaded and is locked in a container. The guns currently can only be taken to the handful of shooting ranges within city limits.
The case could have wide ramifications for gun rights and gun restrictions across the country, depending on how broadly the court rules.
Conservative justices have been champing at the bit to take up gun rights cases. Justice Clarence Thomas in 2014, for example, criticized the court for not taking up more gun cases, calling it a "disfavored" right.
"The right to keep and bear arms is apparently this Court's constitutional orphan," Thomas wrote.
With a newfound majority after the confirmation of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, conservatives may have their chance to make a broad ruling, holding, for example, that the right to own a gun means the right to carry one, or it could rule more narrowly, saying New York's law is overly restrictive or something in between. NPR (also, Scotusblog Case Hub) This is a big chance for the Supreme Court to affirm American citizen's "bear arms" rights, and make the defense of such rights stand among the other important Bill of Rights amendments like the first amendment. The second amendment has been a "constitutional orphan" and "second-class right" for far too long. This is one step back in the right direction. The more secure Americans can feel in their second amendment rights, the better public comity for gun control in the margins. Unloaded guns in locked containers merely being transported out of the city seems like an obvious entry point we can agree on (or can we in this forum lol?) The sensible next steps is to challenge gun laws on concealed carry permits that first ask the petitioner to prove he or she has good cause to need one. The right to bear arms is not subject to proving somebody's out to get you. Yeah, i guess all the bullshit to steal justices to stack the courts with hardcore conservatives paid off in the end. You get to keep on murdering each other forever, and it will be made even more easy for you to do so. I hope you are happy. It just seems so absurd that this is something that you view as a good thing. At this point, i kinda just wish there was a way to put all the US conservatives into the hellscape they love to create for themselves and let them be happy there, but keep them from hurting all the other people in the country. Just have a no healthcare, all guns, all coal, all corruption confederate state with a wall around it in the south, and a reasonable state in the north. In the next 20 or 30 years, we'll see if a peaceful separation is the only way to make society work with such opposite views. Keep your hellscape confederacy memes, I'll keep my rights, thank you very much.
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