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you can't have a gatti vs. ward everytime.
sometimes it's just tyson vs. urkel.
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On December 26 2009 21:49 roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 21:48 Lebesgue wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:28 Etopen wrote:Flash needs more love in his life the guy can't spend time with his family and people are bashing his parents who didn't do anything wrong. On December 26 2009 21:28 roMAD wrote:
So? How does it contradict what i wrote? Of course if it wasn't Jaedong the shitstorm wouldn't even exist. People expected a great series between the two best players in the world and they got a bunker rush. And once again it doesn't matter that JD got rolled a week ago. He surely saw his mistakes and he has been practicing for the whole week, even neglecting his practice for PL (see his interview when OZ beat Hite). He sure prepared very well. Jaedong prepared very well yet losses in less than 10 minutes, that's how well prepare he is. You're saying that Jaedong saw mistakes in his play so he practice a week for it, Flash also likely to saw his mistake(being too standard) and practice the last week for it as well and gets flame for it? From my perspective I'm thinking people were expecting too much of Jaedong and can't accept the fact that he's been raped 2:0 so now they're taking their rage on flash who did what he suppose to do and win. Christmas or not, it's just the normal round of 8 and if it's a special day to them then they seriously wouldn't have the progamer play on that day. These excuse of being "robbed" of a great series is seriously just an excuse, what's to say that the second game wouldn't end like the first game if flash practice for it instead of using his brain to play? Read the post below you. FlaSh won the game because he prepared as well as Jaedong. But it doesn't take away the fact that he won very uninspiring for the fans. Of course i am upset that JD lost, but it's because he lost it this way and i am not blaming flash btw, a win is a win, but the majority of the fans (including me lol) wanted to see an epic game. Sure I understand that. People have right to be disappointed but I don't understand all that hate that Flash gets. Seems pretty unfair to me. It is. But such is fans' nature. Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 21:49 VioleTAK wrote: It'll make their destined MSL Bo5 all that much better :-) Oh lol. Imagine super duper angry JD vs FlaSh in MSL finals. omg, triple 4 pool? LOL
Perfect MSL Finals?: Game1: Flash > Jaedong (Bunker Rush) Game2: Flash < Jaedong (4 pool) Game3: Flash > Jaedong (Bunker Rush) Game4: Flash < Jaedong (4 pool) 16min total game time, 45min commercials. Game5: Flash <> Jaedong (JD 4 pool, Flash BBS... MBC ppp, commercials, restart game)
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- During the OSL you had prepared a build and today you played my standard. Is this your mindgame? ▲ I felt like this would confuse my opponent. I had today's game in mind as well when I prepared the bunker rush against Jaedong, and I think it had good results.
- The maps favor BeSt. ▲ For the MSL maps it's alright playing against Zerg but playing versus Protoss is difficult, but like yesterday's game where I won against Jaedong despite the unfavorable map, I think I will put faith in my skill and play.
- Any parting words? ▲ I was a little sorry because I had prepared a bunker rush build yesterday and so many fans had showed up. I was sad after seeing the fans become sad. Yesterday's build was a build that could've been played with even if it got blocked. That's why I prepared it so hard, but there were people that spoke ill of me just for bunkering
Very insightful and informative comments about the Jaedong game IMO! I just feel a need to highlight them.
Metagaming as well as map imba seem to me like very good reasons for cheesing.
And big thanks for the interview translations, I read them all the time, but haven't said any thanks.
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LOL at Kwanro promising to take it all:-p
I'm sorry to see Hwasin vs Kal, but at least Kal's guaranteed a spot in the semis:-p This is his MSL!
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On December 26 2009 21:58 adelarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:43 adelarge wrote: Well, if he prepared so well, why he fell for the overlord snipe? It wasn't some generic 8-rax bunker rush or BBS cheese. It was carefully planed built which exploited the map. I would understand the rage if Flash just gamble and BBS JD. But he didn't, it was strategic play at its finest.
JD might practiced his ass off, but Flash obviously prepared better. Blaming Flash for doing his job better than JD is sad. People are flaming FlaSh for a bunker rush instead of a great long game, jeez. How many times do i have to explain this to you FlaSh fans? Why they don't blame JD he didn't defend that? And anyway, I don't have a problem with fans being upset about the game. I have problem with calling Flash fucking faggot or worse for that in like 20 pages of LR. I didn't see such hate after JD crushed Flash with 9-pool against Flash 14CC. On the contrary, everybody was laughing his ass off. Or the 3:0 GOM finals rape. Why people didn't blame JD for going fast mutas every game back then? Shouldn't he just go for more late game oriented built to give the audience better games? Fucking double standards. Because 2-hat muta is a fairly standard play and Flash couldn't defend it twice? Because FlaSh often went 14CC and he finally got payed for it? Tbh i do blame JD for not preparing for this. I am actually very surprised he wasn't at all prepared for such a situation. But that's not the case. I am just explaining the rage towards FlaSh. I don't blame FlaSh by any means.
On December 26 2009 21:58 Etopen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:28 Etopen wrote:Flash needs more love in his life the guy can't spend time with his family and people are bashing his parents who didn't do anything wrong. On December 26 2009 21:28 roMAD wrote:
So? How does it contradict what i wrote? Of course if it wasn't Jaedong the shitstorm wouldn't even exist. People expected a great series between the two best players in the world and they got a bunker rush. And once again it doesn't matter that JD got rolled a week ago. He surely saw his mistakes and he has been practicing for the whole week, even neglecting his practice for PL (see his interview when OZ beat Hite). He sure prepared very well. Jaedong prepared very well yet losses in less than 10 minutes, that's how well prepare he is. You're saying that Jaedong saw mistakes in his play so he practice a week for it, Flash also likely to saw his mistake(being too standard) and practice the last week for it as well and gets flame for it? From my perspective I'm thinking people were expecting too much of Jaedong and can't accept the fact that he's been raped 2:0 so now they're taking their rage on flash who did what he suppose to do and win. Christmas or not, it's just the normal round of 8 and if it's a special day to them then they seriously wouldn't have the progamer play on that day. These excuse of being "robbed" of a great series is seriously just an excuse, what's to say that the second game wouldn't end like the first game if flash practice for it instead of using his brain to play? Read the post below you. FlaSh won the game because he prepared as well as Jaedong. But it doesn't take away the fact that he won very uninspiring for the fans. Of course i am upset that JD lost, but it's because he lost it this way and i am not blaming flash btw, a win is a win, but the majority of the fans (including me lol) wanted to see an epic game. I want you answer me this; Why is it fine if Flash uses that game plan on other zergs then it's going to be fine but on Jaedong that it gets like this? Did he won both game like this? No, he didn't. Saying Jaedong was prepared as flash is kinda off, he prepared for the mid-late game but did he prepared for the early game? I think not. Now another question is, what if these 2 matches were played on the same day? Will flash get the same hate as he does now? Jaedong fans are maybe ignoring the first game and saying that he's preparing better for these last 2 matches because of the 1 week period but isn't it his fault that he didn't prepare for the first match that well? I blame the 2 different week matches thing, if it was done on the same week and the result was the same then people might acknowledge flash or but most likely try to blame it on Jaedong's schedule. Yeah sure everyone is expecting a great long game but quit BASHING on the player on your own damn needs. Well, you know, JD in his interviews after their 1st game always told how hard he is preparing for his matches against FlaSh. This hyped people a lot. Nobody blamed FlaSh when he won the first game, it is sad and wrong to blame FlaSh for what he did, but fans are like this, there's nothing you can do. And you know if a grandmother had a penis she would be a grandfather. I can't tell what would have been if they played this series on the same day.
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The desire to see the top players in a long, intense game is of course highly understandable, but these kind of epic games can only result from a situation where both players are trying everything in their power to destroy their opponent but end up constantly blocking eachother.
People have blamed Flash for robbing them of an epic game by playing to win, but that doesn't make sense. If Flash hadn't been playing solely to destroy Jaedong then there'd be almost no chance of a really epic game anyway. The simple truth is that this time Jaedong was unable to block Flash's first attack and that was the end of the game. It's too bad, but no one should blame Flash for it. I guess most people angry at Flash are just angry at their favourite player losing like that (which is of course perfectly understandable), and hopefully don't seriously resent Flash.
It just goes to show that the stars really need to align for the kind of epic matches people had envisioned to actually happen. Hopefully it'll happen in the MSL now instead :D
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On December 26 2009 22:07 roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 21:58 adelarge wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:43 adelarge wrote: Well, if he prepared so well, why he fell for the overlord snipe? It wasn't some generic 8-rax bunker rush or BBS cheese. It was carefully planed built which exploited the map. I would understand the rage if Flash just gamble and BBS JD. But he didn't, it was strategic play at its finest.
JD might practiced his ass off, but Flash obviously prepared better. Blaming Flash for doing his job better than JD is sad. People are flaming FlaSh for a bunker rush instead of a great long game, jeez. How many times do i have to explain this to you FlaSh fans? Why they don't blame JD he didn't defend that? And anyway, I don't have a problem with fans being upset about the game. I have problem with calling Flash fucking faggot or worse for that in like 20 pages of LR. I didn't see such hate after JD crushed Flash with 9-pool against Flash 14CC. On the contrary, everybody was laughing his ass off. Or the 3:0 GOM finals rape. Why people didn't blame JD for going fast mutas every game back then? Shouldn't he just go for more late game oriented built to give the audience better games? Fucking double standards. Because 2-hat muta is a fairly standard play and Flash couldn't defend it twice? Because FlaSh often went 14CC and he finally got payed for it? Tbh i do blame JD for not preparing for this. I am actually very surprised he wasn't at all prepared for such a situation. But that's not the case. I am just explaining the rage towards FlaSh. I don't blame FlaSh by any means. Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 21:58 Etopen wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:28 Etopen wrote:Flash needs more love in his life the guy can't spend time with his family and people are bashing his parents who didn't do anything wrong. On December 26 2009 21:28 roMAD wrote:
So? How does it contradict what i wrote? Of course if it wasn't Jaedong the shitstorm wouldn't even exist. People expected a great series between the two best players in the world and they got a bunker rush. And once again it doesn't matter that JD got rolled a week ago. He surely saw his mistakes and he has been practicing for the whole week, even neglecting his practice for PL (see his interview when OZ beat Hite). He sure prepared very well. Jaedong prepared very well yet losses in less than 10 minutes, that's how well prepare he is. You're saying that Jaedong saw mistakes in his play so he practice a week for it, Flash also likely to saw his mistake(being too standard) and practice the last week for it as well and gets flame for it? From my perspective I'm thinking people were expecting too much of Jaedong and can't accept the fact that he's been raped 2:0 so now they're taking their rage on flash who did what he suppose to do and win. Christmas or not, it's just the normal round of 8 and if it's a special day to them then they seriously wouldn't have the progamer play on that day. These excuse of being "robbed" of a great series is seriously just an excuse, what's to say that the second game wouldn't end like the first game if flash practice for it instead of using his brain to play? Read the post below you. FlaSh won the game because he prepared as well as Jaedong. But it doesn't take away the fact that he won very uninspiring for the fans. Of course i am upset that JD lost, but it's because he lost it this way and i am not blaming flash btw, a win is a win, but the majority of the fans (including me lol) wanted to see an epic game. I want you answer me this; Why is it fine if Flash uses that game plan on other zergs then it's going to be fine but on Jaedong that it gets like this? Did he won both game like this? No, he didn't. Saying Jaedong was prepared as flash is kinda off, he prepared for the mid-late game but did he prepared for the early game? I think not. Now another question is, what if these 2 matches were played on the same day? Will flash get the same hate as he does now? Jaedong fans are maybe ignoring the first game and saying that he's preparing better for these last 2 matches because of the 1 week period but isn't it his fault that he didn't prepare for the first match that well? I blame the 2 different week matches thing, if it was done on the same week and the result was the same then people might acknowledge flash or but most likely try to blame it on Jaedong's schedule. Yeah sure everyone is expecting a great long game but quit BASHING on the player on your own damn needs. Well, you know, JD in his interviews after their 1st game always told how hard he is preparing for his matches against FlaSh. This hyped people a lot. Nobody blamed FlaSh when he won the first game, it is sad and wrong to blame FlaSh for what he did, but fans are like this, there's nothing you can do. And you know if a grandmother had a penis she would be a grandfather. I can't tell what would have been if they played this series on the same day.
lol wut? that's so random.
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On December 26 2009 22:11 mmgoose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 22:07 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:58 adelarge wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:43 adelarge wrote: Well, if he prepared so well, why he fell for the overlord snipe? It wasn't some generic 8-rax bunker rush or BBS cheese. It was carefully planed built which exploited the map. I would understand the rage if Flash just gamble and BBS JD. But he didn't, it was strategic play at its finest.
JD might practiced his ass off, but Flash obviously prepared better. Blaming Flash for doing his job better than JD is sad. People are flaming FlaSh for a bunker rush instead of a great long game, jeez. How many times do i have to explain this to you FlaSh fans? Why they don't blame JD he didn't defend that? And anyway, I don't have a problem with fans being upset about the game. I have problem with calling Flash fucking faggot or worse for that in like 20 pages of LR. I didn't see such hate after JD crushed Flash with 9-pool against Flash 14CC. On the contrary, everybody was laughing his ass off. Or the 3:0 GOM finals rape. Why people didn't blame JD for going fast mutas every game back then? Shouldn't he just go for more late game oriented built to give the audience better games? Fucking double standards. Because 2-hat muta is a fairly standard play and Flash couldn't defend it twice? Because FlaSh often went 14CC and he finally got payed for it? Tbh i do blame JD for not preparing for this. I am actually very surprised he wasn't at all prepared for such a situation. But that's not the case. I am just explaining the rage towards FlaSh. I don't blame FlaSh by any means. On December 26 2009 21:58 Etopen wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:28 Etopen wrote:Flash needs more love in his life the guy can't spend time with his family and people are bashing his parents who didn't do anything wrong. On December 26 2009 21:28 roMAD wrote:
So? How does it contradict what i wrote? Of course if it wasn't Jaedong the shitstorm wouldn't even exist. People expected a great series between the two best players in the world and they got a bunker rush. And once again it doesn't matter that JD got rolled a week ago. He surely saw his mistakes and he has been practicing for the whole week, even neglecting his practice for PL (see his interview when OZ beat Hite). He sure prepared very well. Jaedong prepared very well yet losses in less than 10 minutes, that's how well prepare he is. You're saying that Jaedong saw mistakes in his play so he practice a week for it, Flash also likely to saw his mistake(being too standard) and practice the last week for it as well and gets flame for it? From my perspective I'm thinking people were expecting too much of Jaedong and can't accept the fact that he's been raped 2:0 so now they're taking their rage on flash who did what he suppose to do and win. Christmas or not, it's just the normal round of 8 and if it's a special day to them then they seriously wouldn't have the progamer play on that day. These excuse of being "robbed" of a great series is seriously just an excuse, what's to say that the second game wouldn't end like the first game if flash practice for it instead of using his brain to play? Read the post below you. FlaSh won the game because he prepared as well as Jaedong. But it doesn't take away the fact that he won very uninspiring for the fans. Of course i am upset that JD lost, but it's because he lost it this way and i am not blaming flash btw, a win is a win, but the majority of the fans (including me lol) wanted to see an epic game. I want you answer me this; Why is it fine if Flash uses that game plan on other zergs then it's going to be fine but on Jaedong that it gets like this? Did he won both game like this? No, he didn't. Saying Jaedong was prepared as flash is kinda off, he prepared for the mid-late game but did he prepared for the early game? I think not. Now another question is, what if these 2 matches were played on the same day? Will flash get the same hate as he does now? Jaedong fans are maybe ignoring the first game and saying that he's preparing better for these last 2 matches because of the 1 week period but isn't it his fault that he didn't prepare for the first match that well? I blame the 2 different week matches thing, if it was done on the same week and the result was the same then people might acknowledge flash or but most likely try to blame it on Jaedong's schedule. Yeah sure everyone is expecting a great long game but quit BASHING on the player on your own damn needs. Well, you know, JD in his interviews after their 1st game always told how hard he is preparing for his matches against FlaSh. This hyped people a lot. Nobody blamed FlaSh when he won the first game, it is sad and wrong to blame FlaSh for what he did, but fans are like this, there's nothing you can do. And you know if a grandmother had a penis she would be a grandfather. I can't tell what would have been if they played this series on the same day. lol wut? that's so random. lol :-)
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On December 26 2009 21:57 Matoo- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 21:41 EvoChamber wrote: Everyone else would have preferred a pair of long, interesting games between the two best players in the world at the height of their skills as opposed to one very disappointing game (disappointing on the level of entertainment, not necessarily because Jaedong lost). They watch professional SC looking for entertainment and they didn't get it. What exactly is so confusing about people being less than happy about that. The confusing thing is to only find entertainment in standard, straight-up games. I for one do enjoy massively a short, intense, well-executed cheese. The last Flash vs Jaedong game was ten times more interesting than the first of their series. To add up on that post, don't take this for you since I actually have a lot of respect for your posts and you obviously have quite a deep understanding of the game, but enjoying only long games is kind of shallow - like fan girls who want to see scourge killing vessels and stuff otherwise it's boring. People complaining about cheese not being entertaining have only themselves to blame for not finding the true entertainment that lies in cheese, especially when considering the context, playing habits, history between the players etc - that's here that cheese shines the most and really gets awesome.
Yeah I'm a huge cheese fan - the food as well as the playstyle.
Obviously if every game was over in 5 minutes it'd be horrible but right now I feel that Starcraft isn't too much cheese-oriented at all, if anything it's the other way around. So for me yesterday's game was very refreshing and much more entertaining than yet another straight-up game.
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On December 26 2009 22:11 mmgoose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 22:07 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:58 adelarge wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:43 adelarge wrote: Well, if he prepared so well, why he fell for the overlord snipe? It wasn't some generic 8-rax bunker rush or BBS cheese. It was carefully planed built which exploited the map. I would understand the rage if Flash just gamble and BBS JD. But he didn't, it was strategic play at its finest.
JD might practiced his ass off, but Flash obviously prepared better. Blaming Flash for doing his job better than JD is sad. People are flaming FlaSh for a bunker rush instead of a great long game, jeez. How many times do i have to explain this to you FlaSh fans? Why they don't blame JD he didn't defend that? And anyway, I don't have a problem with fans being upset about the game. I have problem with calling Flash fucking faggot or worse for that in like 20 pages of LR. I didn't see such hate after JD crushed Flash with 9-pool against Flash 14CC. On the contrary, everybody was laughing his ass off. Or the 3:0 GOM finals rape. Why people didn't blame JD for going fast mutas every game back then? Shouldn't he just go for more late game oriented built to give the audience better games? Fucking double standards. Because 2-hat muta is a fairly standard play and Flash couldn't defend it twice? Because FlaSh often went 14CC and he finally got payed for it? Tbh i do blame JD for not preparing for this. I am actually very surprised he wasn't at all prepared for such a situation. But that's not the case. I am just explaining the rage towards FlaSh. I don't blame FlaSh by any means. On December 26 2009 21:58 Etopen wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:28 Etopen wrote:Flash needs more love in his life the guy can't spend time with his family and people are bashing his parents who didn't do anything wrong. On December 26 2009 21:28 roMAD wrote:
So? How does it contradict what i wrote? Of course if it wasn't Jaedong the shitstorm wouldn't even exist. People expected a great series between the two best players in the world and they got a bunker rush. And once again it doesn't matter that JD got rolled a week ago. He surely saw his mistakes and he has been practicing for the whole week, even neglecting his practice for PL (see his interview when OZ beat Hite). He sure prepared very well. Jaedong prepared very well yet losses in less than 10 minutes, that's how well prepare he is. You're saying that Jaedong saw mistakes in his play so he practice a week for it, Flash also likely to saw his mistake(being too standard) and practice the last week for it as well and gets flame for it? From my perspective I'm thinking people were expecting too much of Jaedong and can't accept the fact that he's been raped 2:0 so now they're taking their rage on flash who did what he suppose to do and win. Christmas or not, it's just the normal round of 8 and if it's a special day to them then they seriously wouldn't have the progamer play on that day. These excuse of being "robbed" of a great series is seriously just an excuse, what's to say that the second game wouldn't end like the first game if flash practice for it instead of using his brain to play? Read the post below you. FlaSh won the game because he prepared as well as Jaedong. But it doesn't take away the fact that he won very uninspiring for the fans. Of course i am upset that JD lost, but it's because he lost it this way and i am not blaming flash btw, a win is a win, but the majority of the fans (including me lol) wanted to see an epic game. I want you answer me this; Why is it fine if Flash uses that game plan on other zergs then it's going to be fine but on Jaedong that it gets like this? Did he won both game like this? No, he didn't. Saying Jaedong was prepared as flash is kinda off, he prepared for the mid-late game but did he prepared for the early game? I think not. Now another question is, what if these 2 matches were played on the same day? Will flash get the same hate as he does now? Jaedong fans are maybe ignoring the first game and saying that he's preparing better for these last 2 matches because of the 1 week period but isn't it his fault that he didn't prepare for the first match that well? I blame the 2 different week matches thing, if it was done on the same week and the result was the same then people might acknowledge flash or but most likely try to blame it on Jaedong's schedule. Yeah sure everyone is expecting a great long game but quit BASHING on the player on your own damn needs. Well, you know, JD in his interviews after their 1st game always told how hard he is preparing for his matches against FlaSh. This hyped people a lot. Nobody blamed FlaSh when he won the first game, it is sad and wrong to blame FlaSh for what he did, but fans are like this, there's nothing you can do. And you know if a grandmother had a penis she would be a grandfather. I can't tell what would have been if they played this series on the same day. lol wut? that's so random. In case you didn't get it, i explained the meaning in the next sentence.
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On December 26 2009 22:13 roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 22:11 mmgoose wrote:On December 26 2009 22:07 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:58 adelarge wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:43 adelarge wrote: Well, if he prepared so well, why he fell for the overlord snipe? It wasn't some generic 8-rax bunker rush or BBS cheese. It was carefully planed built which exploited the map. I would understand the rage if Flash just gamble and BBS JD. But he didn't, it was strategic play at its finest.
JD might practiced his ass off, but Flash obviously prepared better. Blaming Flash for doing his job better than JD is sad. People are flaming FlaSh for a bunker rush instead of a great long game, jeez. How many times do i have to explain this to you FlaSh fans? Why they don't blame JD he didn't defend that? And anyway, I don't have a problem with fans being upset about the game. I have problem with calling Flash fucking faggot or worse for that in like 20 pages of LR. I didn't see such hate after JD crushed Flash with 9-pool against Flash 14CC. On the contrary, everybody was laughing his ass off. Or the 3:0 GOM finals rape. Why people didn't blame JD for going fast mutas every game back then? Shouldn't he just go for more late game oriented built to give the audience better games? Fucking double standards. Because 2-hat muta is a fairly standard play and Flash couldn't defend it twice? Because FlaSh often went 14CC and he finally got payed for it? Tbh i do blame JD for not preparing for this. I am actually very surprised he wasn't at all prepared for such a situation. But that's not the case. I am just explaining the rage towards FlaSh. I don't blame FlaSh by any means. On December 26 2009 21:58 Etopen wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:28 Etopen wrote:Flash needs more love in his life the guy can't spend time with his family and people are bashing his parents who didn't do anything wrong. On December 26 2009 21:28 roMAD wrote:
So? How does it contradict what i wrote? Of course if it wasn't Jaedong the shitstorm wouldn't even exist. People expected a great series between the two best players in the world and they got a bunker rush. And once again it doesn't matter that JD got rolled a week ago. He surely saw his mistakes and he has been practicing for the whole week, even neglecting his practice for PL (see his interview when OZ beat Hite). He sure prepared very well. Jaedong prepared very well yet losses in less than 10 minutes, that's how well prepare he is. You're saying that Jaedong saw mistakes in his play so he practice a week for it, Flash also likely to saw his mistake(being too standard) and practice the last week for it as well and gets flame for it? From my perspective I'm thinking people were expecting too much of Jaedong and can't accept the fact that he's been raped 2:0 so now they're taking their rage on flash who did what he suppose to do and win. Christmas or not, it's just the normal round of 8 and if it's a special day to them then they seriously wouldn't have the progamer play on that day. These excuse of being "robbed" of a great series is seriously just an excuse, what's to say that the second game wouldn't end like the first game if flash practice for it instead of using his brain to play? Read the post below you. FlaSh won the game because he prepared as well as Jaedong. But it doesn't take away the fact that he won very uninspiring for the fans. Of course i am upset that JD lost, but it's because he lost it this way and i am not blaming flash btw, a win is a win, but the majority of the fans (including me lol) wanted to see an epic game. I want you answer me this; Why is it fine if Flash uses that game plan on other zergs then it's going to be fine but on Jaedong that it gets like this? Did he won both game like this? No, he didn't. Saying Jaedong was prepared as flash is kinda off, he prepared for the mid-late game but did he prepared for the early game? I think not. Now another question is, what if these 2 matches were played on the same day? Will flash get the same hate as he does now? Jaedong fans are maybe ignoring the first game and saying that he's preparing better for these last 2 matches because of the 1 week period but isn't it his fault that he didn't prepare for the first match that well? I blame the 2 different week matches thing, if it was done on the same week and the result was the same then people might acknowledge flash or but most likely try to blame it on Jaedong's schedule. Yeah sure everyone is expecting a great long game but quit BASHING on the player on your own damn needs. Well, you know, JD in his interviews after their 1st game always told how hard he is preparing for his matches against FlaSh. This hyped people a lot. Nobody blamed FlaSh when he won the first game, it is sad and wrong to blame FlaSh for what he did, but fans are like this, there's nothing you can do. And you know if a grandmother had a penis she would be a grandfather. I can't tell what would have been if they played this series on the same day. lol wut? that's so random. In case you didn't get it, i explained the meaning in the next sentence.
i can't for the life of me understand what it mean but may i use it as my sig?
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<3 Flash
I really hope for a JD vs Flash final in the MSL. I'm guessing though that Flash will put more effort into OSL no doubt.
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On December 26 2009 22:25 mmgoose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 22:13 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 22:11 mmgoose wrote:On December 26 2009 22:07 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:58 adelarge wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:43 adelarge wrote: Well, if he prepared so well, why he fell for the overlord snipe? It wasn't some generic 8-rax bunker rush or BBS cheese. It was carefully planed built which exploited the map. I would understand the rage if Flash just gamble and BBS JD. But he didn't, it was strategic play at its finest.
JD might practiced his ass off, but Flash obviously prepared better. Blaming Flash for doing his job better than JD is sad. People are flaming FlaSh for a bunker rush instead of a great long game, jeez. How many times do i have to explain this to you FlaSh fans? Why they don't blame JD he didn't defend that? And anyway, I don't have a problem with fans being upset about the game. I have problem with calling Flash fucking faggot or worse for that in like 20 pages of LR. I didn't see such hate after JD crushed Flash with 9-pool against Flash 14CC. On the contrary, everybody was laughing his ass off. Or the 3:0 GOM finals rape. Why people didn't blame JD for going fast mutas every game back then? Shouldn't he just go for more late game oriented built to give the audience better games? Fucking double standards. Because 2-hat muta is a fairly standard play and Flash couldn't defend it twice? Because FlaSh often went 14CC and he finally got payed for it? Tbh i do blame JD for not preparing for this. I am actually very surprised he wasn't at all prepared for such a situation. But that's not the case. I am just explaining the rage towards FlaSh. I don't blame FlaSh by any means. On December 26 2009 21:58 Etopen wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:28 Etopen wrote:Flash needs more love in his life the guy can't spend time with his family and people are bashing his parents who didn't do anything wrong. On December 26 2009 21:28 roMAD wrote:
So? How does it contradict what i wrote? Of course if it wasn't Jaedong the shitstorm wouldn't even exist. People expected a great series between the two best players in the world and they got a bunker rush. And once again it doesn't matter that JD got rolled a week ago. He surely saw his mistakes and he has been practicing for the whole week, even neglecting his practice for PL (see his interview when OZ beat Hite). He sure prepared very well. Jaedong prepared very well yet losses in less than 10 minutes, that's how well prepare he is. You're saying that Jaedong saw mistakes in his play so he practice a week for it, Flash also likely to saw his mistake(being too standard) and practice the last week for it as well and gets flame for it? From my perspective I'm thinking people were expecting too much of Jaedong and can't accept the fact that he's been raped 2:0 so now they're taking their rage on flash who did what he suppose to do and win. Christmas or not, it's just the normal round of 8 and if it's a special day to them then they seriously wouldn't have the progamer play on that day. These excuse of being "robbed" of a great series is seriously just an excuse, what's to say that the second game wouldn't end like the first game if flash practice for it instead of using his brain to play? Read the post below you. FlaSh won the game because he prepared as well as Jaedong. But it doesn't take away the fact that he won very uninspiring for the fans. Of course i am upset that JD lost, but it's because he lost it this way and i am not blaming flash btw, a win is a win, but the majority of the fans (including me lol) wanted to see an epic game. I want you answer me this; Why is it fine if Flash uses that game plan on other zergs then it's going to be fine but on Jaedong that it gets like this? Did he won both game like this? No, he didn't. Saying Jaedong was prepared as flash is kinda off, he prepared for the mid-late game but did he prepared for the early game? I think not. Now another question is, what if these 2 matches were played on the same day? Will flash get the same hate as he does now? Jaedong fans are maybe ignoring the first game and saying that he's preparing better for these last 2 matches because of the 1 week period but isn't it his fault that he didn't prepare for the first match that well? I blame the 2 different week matches thing, if it was done on the same week and the result was the same then people might acknowledge flash or but most likely try to blame it on Jaedong's schedule. Yeah sure everyone is expecting a great long game but quit BASHING on the player on your own damn needs. Well, you know, JD in his interviews after their 1st game always told how hard he is preparing for his matches against FlaSh. This hyped people a lot. Nobody blamed FlaSh when he won the first game, it is sad and wrong to blame FlaSh for what he did, but fans are like this, there's nothing you can do. And you know if a grandmother had a penis she would be a grandfather. I can't tell what would have been if they played this series on the same day. lol wut? that's so random. In case you didn't get it, i explained the meaning in the next sentence. i can't for the life of me understand what it mean but may i use it as my sig? It means that you can't tell what would have been because you never know, so the discussion about it is pointless. Sure you can, it's not mine anyway
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On December 26 2009 22:07 roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 21:58 adelarge wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:43 adelarge wrote: Well, if he prepared so well, why he fell for the overlord snipe? It wasn't some generic 8-rax bunker rush or BBS cheese. It was carefully planed built which exploited the map. I would understand the rage if Flash just gamble and BBS JD. But he didn't, it was strategic play at its finest.
JD might practiced his ass off, but Flash obviously prepared better. Blaming Flash for doing his job better than JD is sad. People are flaming FlaSh for a bunker rush instead of a great long game, jeez. How many times do i have to explain this to you FlaSh fans? Why they don't blame JD he didn't defend that? And anyway, I don't have a problem with fans being upset about the game. I have problem with calling Flash fucking faggot or worse for that in like 20 pages of LR. I didn't see such hate after JD crushed Flash with 9-pool against Flash 14CC. On the contrary, everybody was laughing his ass off. Or the 3:0 GOM finals rape. Why people didn't blame JD for going fast mutas every game back then? Shouldn't he just go for more late game oriented built to give the audience better games? Fucking double standards. Because 2-hat muta is a fairly standard play and Flash couldn't defend it twice? Because FlaSh often went 14CC and he finally got payed for it? Tbh i do blame JD for not preparing for this. I am actually very surprised he wasn't at all prepared for such a situation. But that's not the case. I am just explaining the rage towards FlaSh. I don't blame FlaSh by any means.
Exactly! JD read Flash like a book a take full advatnage of it. He didn't care about showing a great long back and forth games to fans in the slightest. Just as every profesional. Just as Flash yesterday.
The difference is, nobody called JD names for that. I'm just trying to explain why me (and many other Flash fans I believe) have problems with the hate. It's the hypocrisy of so many people in so many threads. If the majority was just genuinely upset about the quality of games like you, nobody would say a word.
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On December 26 2009 22:12 Matoo- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 21:57 Matoo- wrote:On December 26 2009 21:41 EvoChamber wrote: Everyone else would have preferred a pair of long, interesting games between the two best players in the world at the height of their skills as opposed to one very disappointing game (disappointing on the level of entertainment, not necessarily because Jaedong lost). They watch professional SC looking for entertainment and they didn't get it. What exactly is so confusing about people being less than happy about that. The confusing thing is to only find entertainment in standard, straight-up games. I for one do enjoy massively a short, intense, well-executed cheese. The last Flash vs Jaedong game was ten times more interesting than the first of their series. To add up on that post, don't take this for you since I actually have a lot of respect for your posts and you obviously have quite a deep understanding of the game, but enjoying only long games is kind of shallow - like fan girls who want to see scourge killing vessels and stuff otherwise it's boring. People have complaining about cheese not being entertaining suck - it's their own fault for not finding the true entertainment that lies in cheese, especially when considering the context, playing habits, history between the players etc - that's here that cheese shines the most and really gets awesome. Yeah I'm a huge cheese fan - the dish as well as the playstyle. Obviously if every game was over in 5 minutes it'd be horrible but right now I feel that Starcraft is really not too much cheese-oriented at all, if anything it's the other way around, so for me yesterday's game was much more entertaining that another straight-up yawn game.
I think the informed argument for long games would be that it pushes both players as well as the game itself to their limits. It's not just big armies clashing that's exciting (though that's obviously part of the appeal), it's the fact that both players' bodies and minds are forced to reach deeper than they would have in a shorter game. It's in the late-game that the sweat starts to show. Plus late-game, with its developed economies and tech trees, has far more untapped potential (strategically as well as tactically), whereas early game and mid-game have been almost completely charted out.
Cheese can certainly be very entertaining (especially if the player cheesing is someone you like ). But it doesn't advance the boundaries of the game and it doesn't test the true limits of the players. Not to mention that the boundaries of the game can only be tested by the very highest caliber progamers, which Jaedong and Flash indisputably are. So I don't think an informed fan would argue against what Flash did, but they would argue that we missed out on a very rare opportunity to see how far deep this game, which we love but still don't fully know, can truly go.
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I can't believe that people are flaming Flash & his parents though. God there are too many retards out there! Flash beat Jaedong straight up no bullshit on Fighting Spirit and then he annihilated Jaedong's overlord on HBR followed by a nicely placed bunker.
Flash > Jaedong that series hands down. Now if people want to complain just hope for a Jaedong vs Flash series in MSL.
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On December 26 2009 22:27 adelarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 22:07 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:58 adelarge wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:43 adelarge wrote: Well, if he prepared so well, why he fell for the overlord snipe? It wasn't some generic 8-rax bunker rush or BBS cheese. It was carefully planed built which exploited the map. I would understand the rage if Flash just gamble and BBS JD. But he didn't, it was strategic play at its finest.
JD might practiced his ass off, but Flash obviously prepared better. Blaming Flash for doing his job better than JD is sad. People are flaming FlaSh for a bunker rush instead of a great long game, jeez. How many times do i have to explain this to you FlaSh fans? Why they don't blame JD he didn't defend that? And anyway, I don't have a problem with fans being upset about the game. I have problem with calling Flash fucking faggot or worse for that in like 20 pages of LR. I didn't see such hate after JD crushed Flash with 9-pool against Flash 14CC. On the contrary, everybody was laughing his ass off. Or the 3:0 GOM finals rape. Why people didn't blame JD for going fast mutas every game back then? Shouldn't he just go for more late game oriented built to give the audience better games? Fucking double standards. Because 2-hat muta is a fairly standard play and Flash couldn't defend it twice? Because FlaSh often went 14CC and he finally got payed for it? Tbh i do blame JD for not preparing for this. I am actually very surprised he wasn't at all prepared for such a situation. But that's not the case. I am just explaining the rage towards FlaSh. I don't blame FlaSh by any means. Exactly! JD read Flash like a book a take full advatnage of it. He didn't care about showing a great long back and forth games to fans in the slightest. Just as every profesional. Just as Flash yesterday. The difference is, nobody called JD names for that. I'm just trying to explain why me (and many other Flash fans I believe) have problems with the hate. It's the hypocrisy of so many people in so many threads. If the majority was just genuinely upset about the quality of games like you, nobody would say a word. Well, 2-hat muta is less cheesy than a bunker rush and OSL is much more popular than GOM has been. But of course this doesn't justify the hate and i feel sorry for FlaSh, especially when people bash his parents, seriously wtf?
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On December 26 2009 21:54 iLoveKT wrote: They play to win, not to be your personal entertainer.
I completely, completely agree with this. I think that in light of recent games (Best vs Canata, Flash vs Jaedong) people are forgetting this simple truth.
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And there you have it. Leave Flash the fuck alone. <3 Flash, so mannered & skilled
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On December 26 2009 22:34 roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 22:27 adelarge wrote:On December 26 2009 22:07 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:58 adelarge wrote:On December 26 2009 21:45 roMAD wrote:On December 26 2009 21:43 adelarge wrote: Well, if he prepared so well, why he fell for the overlord snipe? It wasn't some generic 8-rax bunker rush or BBS cheese. It was carefully planed built which exploited the map. I would understand the rage if Flash just gamble and BBS JD. But he didn't, it was strategic play at its finest.
JD might practiced his ass off, but Flash obviously prepared better. Blaming Flash for doing his job better than JD is sad. People are flaming FlaSh for a bunker rush instead of a great long game, jeez. How many times do i have to explain this to you FlaSh fans? Why they don't blame JD he didn't defend that? And anyway, I don't have a problem with fans being upset about the game. I have problem with calling Flash fucking faggot or worse for that in like 20 pages of LR. I didn't see such hate after JD crushed Flash with 9-pool against Flash 14CC. On the contrary, everybody was laughing his ass off. Or the 3:0 GOM finals rape. Why people didn't blame JD for going fast mutas every game back then? Shouldn't he just go for more late game oriented built to give the audience better games? Fucking double standards. Because 2-hat muta is a fairly standard play and Flash couldn't defend it twice? Because FlaSh often went 14CC and he finally got payed for it? Tbh i do blame JD for not preparing for this. I am actually very surprised he wasn't at all prepared for such a situation. But that's not the case. I am just explaining the rage towards FlaSh. I don't blame FlaSh by any means. Exactly! JD read Flash like a book a take full advatnage of it. He didn't care about showing a great long back and forth games to fans in the slightest. Just as every profesional. Just as Flash yesterday. The difference is, nobody called JD names for that. I'm just trying to explain why me (and many other Flash fans I believe) have problems with the hate. It's the hypocrisy of so many people in so many threads. If the majority was just genuinely upset about the quality of games like you, nobody would say a word. Well, 2-hat muta is less cheesy than a bunker rush and OSL is much more popular than GOM has been. But of course this doesn't justify the hate and i feel sorry for FlaSh, especially when people bash his parents, seriously wtf? Yeah, seriously . Hopefully he didn't take it so badly...
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