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I'm excited to re-map my hotkeys. I always hated the pinky-to-index stretch to go B-P to build a pylon.
Strongly considering trying to mimic the layout in The Core if the functionality exists for me to do so. I haven't played StarCraft in so long that I think I could probably make the switch and be better off for it in the long term.
100 YEARS BROOD WAR! BROOD WAR 100 YEARS! BROOD WAR EVERY DAY 100 YEARS BROOD WAR!
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On March 28 2017 22:51 duke91 wrote:You come into this forum and basically insult the majority of the people here.
IMHO majority of the people here will not consider it an insult. In fact the majority may even feel a little of pride to be the part of the "elite" scene. Even with the smallest of the contributions, any of us can probably point on some brick in this wall and say "this one is mine". And as a result now we have perhaps first ever competitively played game that broke out of the race between game designers and hardware manufacturers. The game of triumph of game design and playability over just "looking good". The chess of computer age, and yes I am glad that you called me elitist, thank you.
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I play terran so I'm lucky that I don't have to worry about using the P button for making workers lol. I doubt I'll be changing anything. I've gotten used to BW's hotkeys and will probably stick to them as well.
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On March 29 2017 03:15 prodiG wrote: I'm excited to re-map my hotkeys. I always hated the pinky-to-index stretch to go B-P to build a pylon.
Strongly considering trying to mimic the layout in The Core if the functionality exists for me to do so. I haven't played StarCraft in so long that I think I could probably make the switch and be better off for it in the long term.
100 YEARS BROOD WAR! BROOD WAR 100 YEARS! BROOD WAR EVERY DAY 100 YEARS BROOD WAR!
I talked to the core's creator (JaKaTatv) and I'm also pretty interested in using it as a base to create a custom brood war layout. Open to talking about it over discord if you want to experiment and exchange ideas.
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[Q] Is it possible to do a remapping so as to get rid of double letters for spawning zerg units? Like, just use "Z" instead of "S-Z"? And if so, would you do that?
As for remapping options(Z), I probably stick to original keys in general, with the exceptions of Burrow, Patrol and Plague and perhaps Overlord(not sure with that one). I would also like to make scourges with letter other than S, for obvious reasons.
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On March 28 2017 22:39 Whiplash wrote: Things that could happen: - People start with hotkey setups that are much more similar to SC2 due to a large migration of the old RTS base back to Brood War. - People experiment finding a more optimal hotkey setup so things like hot keying units/buildings on 890 are less common. - Old Brood War elitists complain that you can change hotkeys and view it as an unfair advantage along with widescreen in 2017.
Things that you must do: - Learn to play the game!
Once upon a time I think in gosugamers site I saw in forum topic "WoT is hard" and the topic poster complained how hard it was... Total Bull$hits! You only play with 3 keys and 1 mouse. When you do nothing and then suicide - yes it is hard! It is hard for your team to watch you! Learning the game is what separates noobs from pros. That is the beauty of the game! Now days games are made for more stupid and lazy peoples. Some of them don't want to try something new. They don't wanna learn something new. Because is hard... It is hard for them to use their brains... Hey this game is 19 years old! Have you ever heard for other game that is 19 years old and there are still tournaments? This game is almost perfect. Learn it the way it is! You will never regret!
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i might change o to e and m to a for terran, but if there's no racepicking on ladder i'm gonna leave all my zerg hotkeys the same
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I personally can't wait to change probe over to E and maybe pylon to E as well. Being able to keep my hand on the left side of the keyboard for the most part is going to be glorious.
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I think people put too much emphasis on hotkey changes. Default or custom the hotkeys won't change strategy or game mechanics. Its just preferences m80s.
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On March 29 2017 04:00 BigFan wrote: I play terran so I'm lucky that I don't have to worry about using the P button for making workers lol. I doubt I'll be changing anything. I've gotten used to BW's hotkeys and will probably stick to them as well.
I play Protoss on a german BW version, so using S isn't all that bad either :p but there sure are some annoying hotkeys that sometimes make you mess up in situations (like not hitting the U when you need to storm in a split second)
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On March 29 2017 00:56 Roxas_ wrote:
The most exciting thing about this change, though, is that it will help bring in new players!
No, it will not bring in new players. New players don't use hotkeys at all. Do you know what could have brought in new players? Automining and MBS
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On March 29 2017 04:44 Me_ToKa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2017 22:39 Whiplash wrote: Things that could happen: - People start with hotkey setups that are much more similar to SC2 due to a large migration of the old RTS base back to Brood War. - People experiment finding a more optimal hotkey setup so things like hot keying units/buildings on 890 are less common. - Old Brood War elitists complain that you can change hotkeys and view it as an unfair advantage along with widescreen in 2017.
Things that you must do: - Learn to play the game! Once upon a time I think in gosugamers site I saw in forum topic "WoT is hard" and the topic poster complained how hard it was... Total Bull$hits! You only play with 3 keys and 1 mouse. When you do nothing and then suicide - yes it is hard! It is hard for your team to watch you! Learning the game is what separates noobs from pros. That is the beauty of the game! Now days games are made for more stupid and lazy peoples. Some of them don't want to try something new. They don't wanna learn something new. Because is hard... It is hard for them to use their brains... Hey this game is 19 years old! Have you ever heard for other game that is 19 years old and there are still tournaments? This game is almost perfect. Learn it the way it is! You will never regret! Could you explain how pressing P instead of E requires a greater use of your brain? Thanks.
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On March 29 2017 05:39 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2017 00:56 Roxas_ wrote:
The most exciting thing about this change, though, is that it will help bring in new players!
No, it will not bring in new players. New players don't use hotkeys at all. Do you know what could have brought in new players? Automining and MBS
Do you know what would make BW a totally different game? Automining and MBS
New players are great, but not at the expense of making a really good game not as good.
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They got a few hotkey based thing's right in SC2. You can go and complain all you want about custom hotkeys, but in the end Mechanics, Strategy, and reaction will win you the game.
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On March 28 2017 22:56 duke91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2017 22:53 mOnion wrote:On March 28 2017 22:51 Shock710 wrote: What i'm much more interested is rebinding of camera hotkeys, access to additional control groups like binding any key with ctrl to make a control group, will these exist? this would be great actually, not have to use Fkeys to re map 10 or 12 rally points would make things go a lot faster, especially when you're sealing the game and need your latest macro round to rally across the map Learn to do this
Resetting rally points is extremely easy. I don't know why people keep bringing it up. You can do it slow, you can do it fast, if something goes wrong, you just keep going and it's fine. There is no interference from the enemy. All you need is to keep actions in sync. And you can just do it slow enough so you keep in sync.
MBS is a dead debate. It was obvious who was going to be right when the debate first started. Now, we know the exact outcome. And now we know about the deception of the side that now obviously was wrong.
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On March 29 2017 05:39 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2017 00:56 Roxas_ wrote:
The most exciting thing about this change, though, is that it will help bring in new players!
No, it will not bring in new players. New players don't use hotkeys at all. Do you know what could have brought in new players? Automining and MBS
Im'not gonna argue about the automine/MBS thing, but new players have already been brought just from the announcement, just look at this thread, most people are new.
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Gonna try to copy my sc2 setup as much as possible. Basically an adjusted grid.
I want to be able to play both games, so it won't be optimal, but meh.
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im going to slay flash with my new hotkey setup
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I started modifying keys back in 2005 IIRC. I stopped playing in 2009 and came back last month, coincidently, and played 3 weeks on ICCUP before quitting again. The funny thing is that I played T with the original hotkeys (It was the first race I learned how to play well) and P with modified hotkeys. I'm saying this because after 8 years without playing when I came back I played at the same level with both races.
Modifying keys is a shortcut, you'll take less time to master the 'keyboard-bashing' part of the game, but it the long run it doesn't help you much.
PS. I started changing the hotkeys when the TvZ meta changed and zergs got good at rushing to hive to get defilers/swarm so I tried toss but producing probes by hitting "P" was infuriating. I couldn't work on putting my nexus at 0&9 so I decided to modify it and picked "E" for probe. Then I decided to optimize the rest of the hotkeys.
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I don't think remapping the keys will destroy bw. I'm planning on keeping most of the hotkeys for toss but replacing pylon and probe as e Similae to sc2. It will make mechanics slightly easier but the game is still gonna be hard as hell.
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