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Canada2049 Posts
Ive always played ZvP PvZ PvT, now I cant play zvp anymore, which is incidentally my favorite matchup. The ladder isnt an accurate portrayal of skill If i have to play an off matchup, I would really like it if this could be changed. Its not that I hate pvp or mirrors, I just like zvp a lot more and am a lot better at it.
My suggestion is that we should be able to select from our matchups as we currently do from maps, vetoing ones that we dont want to play until there are 3 left. When searching for opponents it would prioritize these matchups as it does maps, and you should also be able to select if you want this to be a hard veto, and same with the maps but thats another discussion. If im up against another racepicker with similar matchups, it will randomize ZvP or PvZ. If im up against someone who selected for example TvT, PvP and ZvZ, then I just wont be matched against them, same situation as if they had picked all the maps that I have vetoed.
Also, Im glad blizzard got rid of the leaving b4 2mins = no loss thing. People who proxy or 4pool and then leave when it gets scouted before 2mins are pathetic, as are people who will just quit if they get an unfavorable matchup or opponent.
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On August 18 2017 02:55 KenNage wrote: What? The ladder is fine as it is. Allowing to leave under the 2 minute mark is the same as allowing MU picking and map picking. Didn't get your ZvP on Outsider? Well... better dodge and waste everybody's time. Can't handle all the matchups? Well, you are not a well rounded player, deal with it. Don't want to play all the matchups? Don't play ranked games, you can create/join games, and, you know, practice there.
pls dont comment, if you have zero knowledge about the problem...
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On August 18 2017 03:00 FyRe_DragOn wrote: Ive always played ZvP PvZ PvT, now I cant play zvp anymore, which is incidentally my favorite matchup. The ladder isnt an accurate portrayal of skill If i have to play an off matchup, I would really like it if this could be changed. Its not that I hate pvp or mirrors, I just like zvp a lot more and am a lot better at it.
My suggestion is that we should be able to select from our matchups as we currently do from maps, vetoing ones that we dont want to play until there are 3 left. When searching for opponents it would prioritize these matchups as it does maps, and you should also be able to select if you want this to be a hard veto, and same with the maps but thats another discussion. If im up against another racepicker with similar matchups, it will randomize ZvP or PvZ. If im up against someone who selected for example TvT, PvP and ZvZ, then I just wont be matched against them, same situation as if they had picked all the maps that I have vetoed. I'm with Dragon here. I also play ZvP instead of PvP about half of the time. I play for fun and playing PvP every time I play against a Protoss player isn't fun for me.
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i love playing zergs that are too lazy to learn zvz
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On August 18 2017 03:00 Lopata wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 02:55 KenNage wrote: What? The ladder is fine as it is. Allowing to leave under the 2 minute mark is the same as allowing MU picking and map picking. Didn't get your ZvP on Outsider? Well... better dodge and waste everybody's time. Can't handle all the matchups? Well, you are not a well rounded player, deal with it. Don't want to play all the matchups? Don't play ranked games, you can create/join games, and, you know, practice there. pls dont comment, if you have zero knowledge about the problem...
There are no problems, you don't want to play mirrors, so, don't play ranked, simple as that.
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On August 18 2017 01:54 iFU.pauline wrote: nothing forces you to play mirror match you can always alt qq. See I always do that against Random dickhead that refuses to tell their race. Yeah I hate dickheads who don't give up the only edge they have for having to do three times the practice.
And that's why all pros play random right, because it's so much better?
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On August 18 2017 03:08 KenNage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 03:00 Lopata wrote:On August 18 2017 02:55 KenNage wrote: What? The ladder is fine as it is. Allowing to leave under the 2 minute mark is the same as allowing MU picking and map picking. Didn't get your ZvP on Outsider? Well... better dodge and waste everybody's time. Can't handle all the matchups? Well, you are not a well rounded player, deal with it. Don't want to play all the matchups? Don't play ranked games, you can create/join games, and, you know, practice there. pls dont comment, if you have zero knowledge about the problem... There are no problems, you don't want to play mirrors, so, don't play ranked, simple as that. lol, yes there is a problem, just not to you, quite of bit of players have played like this for a long time, it's good and fun to be able to pick your 3 match ups
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On August 18 2017 03:11 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:54 iFU.pauline wrote: nothing forces you to play mirror match you can always alt qq. See I always do that against Random dickhead that refuses to tell their race. Yeah I hate dickheads who don't give up the only edge they have for having to do three times the practice. And that's why all pros play random right, because it's so much better? Hahahaha! Well said sir.
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United States4883 Posts
On August 18 2017 01:50 Lorch wrote: I never understood why people were so anti mirror matchup in bw. You can still play custom games if you don't want to play your mirror matchup. I think the way it is atm is just fine, but then again I really don't mind playing mirrors.
Seconded. If it's about having fun and enjoying the game, play customs with friends...or just play a different race on ladder occasionally.
I understand that the ladder in BW is significantly different than every other game because you always had a lobby to race pick...maybe a better implementation would be to put the players in a lobby with a 10-20 second timer and allow them to choose their race. I think vetoing specific matchups is ridiculous and would only fuck up the matchmaking.
On August 18 2017 00:59 playa wrote: Please, god. But with all of the bugs they have... I always assume it's impossible to program anything. Playing vs random is a joke in this game, too. Have big maps in map pool, scout last, and congratulate your opponent on picking random. My kind of game.
Going to be inflating everyone's MMR so much, as I have no idea how to wall in P vs Z and similar problems in T vs T.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Protoss_Fast_Expand_Forge_Walling
Short version for Terran: rax on bot, supply depot on top (I believe Academy works the same way as rax). Any wall square-tight will keep out vultures.
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Then again what if i want to actually play ZvZ, are you gonna slim down my chances of getting a ZvZ game? You benefit one group and hurt another.
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I dodge most of my TvTs but in the end all it does is make me stomp worse zergs and protosses, not fun for anyone.
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Hahahaha. I think it's safe to say that banning a specific match-up is out of the question. Also, some players play different races and different match-ups depending on what map they're playing on. Forcing a player to pick a race without knowing the map beforehand is also a little weird. I love the matchmaking feature for a lot of reasons, but there are some changes that should be made.
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On August 18 2017 03:14 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 03:08 KenNage wrote:On August 18 2017 03:00 Lopata wrote:On August 18 2017 02:55 KenNage wrote: What? The ladder is fine as it is. Allowing to leave under the 2 minute mark is the same as allowing MU picking and map picking. Didn't get your ZvP on Outsider? Well... better dodge and waste everybody's time. Can't handle all the matchups? Well, you are not a well rounded player, deal with it. Don't want to play all the matchups? Don't play ranked games, you can create/join games, and, you know, practice there. pls dont comment, if you have zero knowledge about the problem... There are no problems, you don't want to play mirrors, so, don't play ranked, simple as that. lol, yes there is a problem, just not to you, quite of bit of players have played like this for a long time, it's good and fun to be able to pick your 3 match ups
You don't seem to understand the difference, you could do that when the games were manually created, you didn't like the MU you got? Dodge, it's all fine. Anyone playing BW at the time knew you would play like 1 game every 2 hours anyways.
You can't allow leaving under the 2 minute mark in the current automated system and race picking would just increase the Queues and annoy people. I just want to play the damn game without spending an entire afternoon looking for games, that's all I care.
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Canada2049 Posts
I made a post in the bnet forum with a suggestion, which Ill add here as well.
My suggestion is a system where you select 1 race vs protoss, 1 race vs terran, 1 race vs zerg, and 1 race vs random. For example If im playing ZvP PvZ PvT, and my opponent plays similar matchups to me, we would randomize either ZvP or PvZ. If i face some1 who plays none of the matchups ive selected, such as a ZvZ PvP TvT user, I have 2 suggestions. Either dont match at all, or we would both play the race we had selected vs random, meaning the 1 race vs R would also be a (race vs non matched racepickers) situation as well.
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I dunno to me it's pretty simple, you pick a race then you choose if you want to play the mirror match up of that race or not and you randomize it against other people who won't play the mirror either so nobody gains any sort of advantage and everybody's happy
I guess there's the issue of reducing the frequency of getting a mirror match up when you want one but I think it's safe to say the majority of people find mirror match ups to not be as fun
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I'd like the option to hide my race if I choose to play with under 150 APM. I'm at a disadvantage, so it's the least you can do. Thanks. Respect the struggle.
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United Kingdom12010 Posts
On August 18 2017 04:01 ROOTFayth wrote: I dunno to me it's pretty simple, you pick a race then you choose if you want to play the mirror match up of that race or not and you randomize it against other people who won't play the mirror either so nobody gains any sort of advantage and everybody's happy
I guess there's the issue of reducing the frequency of getting a mirror match up when you want one but I think it's safe to say the majority of people find mirror match ups to not be as fun
Now I'd love to see the statistics for this because I honestly doubt this is true.
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I strongly oppose this idea and feel it harms the legitimacy of the ladder.
1/3 of the game is mirror matchups, that's what Brood War is. If you'd like a modified game, feel free to setup whatever arbitrary rules/conditions you want in a non-ladder match.
But I expect that when I'm playing the official ladder of Brood War that I will be playing the real Brood War, not some awkward ad-hoc system where people can arbitrarily dodge 1/3 of the game.
I would be very upset if they bastardized the ladder with this option. It taints the point system, simplifies the game, and would obviously be unworkable with random players (oh hey I'm Terran and have turned off mirrors, I can now infer my random opponent is P or Z. Oh hey I'm random, I wonder if my opponent turned off mirrors and know already ruled out I'm not Terran, who knows!)
No no no. Thankfully this will NEVER happen so the discussion is moot.
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On August 18 2017 04:02 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 04:01 ROOTFayth wrote: I dunno to me it's pretty simple, you pick a race then you choose if you want to play the mirror match up of that race or not and you randomize it against other people who won't play the mirror either so nobody gains any sort of advantage and everybody's happy
I guess there's the issue of reducing the frequency of getting a mirror match up when you want one but I think it's safe to say the majority of people find mirror match ups to not be as fun Now I'd love to see the statistics for this because I honestly doubt this is true. Well I obviously don't have any statistics but I have rarely seen somebody saying their favorite match up was the mirror one
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