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I don't think we can pass true judgement on this case until we know the true story - the daughter would have us believe that it takes her 6+ hours to do her chores while the father would have us believe it takes her like 30 minutes. That's a huge discrepancy, but If the Dad's side of the story is accurate, I would say he is justified to be mad and take away privileges like the computer and phone but he is not justified to make a youtube video about it.
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Wait, she was bitching about her parents in a private conversation with her friends via facebook? If so, holy batman give her some privacy ;S
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On February 12 2012 01:32 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:27 Bippzy wrote:On February 12 2012 01:05 leser wrote:On February 12 2012 00:04 micronesia wrote:On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him. I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'? What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video). positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager? Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder? there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video. First off, I view this as a parent disciplining his daughter in the same way his daughter bad mouthed him (clever imo). I'm inclined to believe you don't give your daughter a laptop if you are a psycho who wants to ruin her life. AND he didn't post it around the internet, he posted on his daughters facebook and the internet posted it around the internet. I just can't agree with the insinuation of a psycho, it's just an attempt at demonizing a normal thing. Also, positive reinforcement without anything about negative unforcement? I don't really know what word I was looking for but the point I would like to make is that the style of parenting the dad goes for is incredibly effective. It's what my own father did when I was growing and responsibilities are impossible to complain about...it just works. He wouldn't do everything he did if the girl was acting as a responsible young adult. Plus, you know how people are being stupid and complaining about the new SC2 Patch with theorycraft? Read: there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video. Actually he is just parenting, as is apparent from this video. Plus the chore can and should be justified as something you should eventually do yourself and as something that will give you a little work ethic, which is also beneficial. Not "heres your reward for putting away the dishes, making your bed, and wiping down the table as well as occasionally getting me a cup of coffee". I would argue things like the laptop are an unspoken reward as is. Edit: On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people. That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing. For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad. Tough love parenting is one thing. Not thinking about the ramifications of putting this video on the net is another. It's now viral and it will probably lead to problems for the girl. 15 is a sensitive age and having your dad talk shit about you on a 10+ million view youtube video isn't really gonna help her popularity. There's been several examples of youtube "hits" where the kids in the videos get constantly bullied and have to move schools.
I guess I would argue it's part of the parenting style he goes for?
Example: If I give you the privilege of having a laptop, do chores. If you want a new camera, get a job. If you post on the internet how you hate me which can be seen by anyone(really, if you block your parents on facebook why the fuck wouldn't they check what you do when they are on your computer, stupid girl), you should be able to deal with my response on the internet being seen by anyone.
Besides, no one has seen the girl. Her school is the only one that really knows..but I do see your point and hope it's not valid.
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On February 12 2012 01:36 Maxie wrote: Wait, she was bitching about her parents in a private conversation with her friends via facebook? If so, holy batman give her some privacy ;S
Well, it's more like a public posts all your friends can see and like and comment about. And really, blocking your parents on facebook means your parents probably should check out your facebook for some reason or another.
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He was right to reprimand her & punish her but wrong in the way he did it (so publicly); his method will only embarass her and drive her further away. I get where he is coming from though. IDK how it is in Europe, but in America there is a serious epidemic of spoiled, entitled kids. This coming from someone who spends 6 hours a day with 14 yr old.
I disagree that parents should not snoop in to the lives of minors who they support. They just need to be very careful about what is private and what isn't. This girl already proved once that she wasn't trustworthy. It would be a different issue if she was older or had never done something like this before.
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On February 12 2012 01:31 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:26 leser wrote:On February 12 2012 01:19 micronesia wrote:On February 12 2012 01:05 leser wrote:On February 12 2012 00:04 micronesia wrote:On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him. I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'? What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video). positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager? Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder? there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video. It sounds like you feel he shouldn't have gotten her the laptop, phone, ipod, etc unless she was already being a very good girl. If she wasn't, he could explain that she can has them once she does her chores regularly and doesn't do forbidden things online, or whatever. There is definitely logic to this. However, if she still persisted to be like this (doing the wrong things, complaining about chores, etc) despite the motivation to be a good daughter (and get a laptop, phone, ipod, etc) the dad would have to withhold those items from her. Would it be okay for the dad to not allow his daughter to have a laptop, phone, and ipod? there is more than one way to do positive reinforcement. there are a shitton of things parents do for their kids to provide for them and make their lives easier. Gadgets are not the only things he could have "denied" from her. Yeah, it's probably wrong for a kid these days not to have a laptop, but he could have bought her a $200 netbook she couldn't use for anyhing else other than schoolwork and facebook. He could have denied her his full day work on her laptop and the 130$ because he had to do her chores instead of her and didn't have time to do it. He could give her an allowance for doing her chores and let her save some money up and buy a phone/ipod/new shoes/whatever she wants if she saves it up. He could not drive her somewhere because she didn't do her chores etc etc. How is not driving her somewhere because she didn't do her chores different in nature from permanently taking her laptop because she didn't do her chores? Other than that question, I pretty much agree. However, you are actually holding this parent to a standard higher than what the majority of parents are like. A lot of people in this thread are acting like his negative rather than positive reinforcement here actually puts him in the bottom 10% of parents, which isn't true at all.
well, it's not different. It's all pretty similar, I don't know. But sometimes maybe it would be better suited to not take away a laptop for two weeks, but tell her you won't be driving your kid to somewhere where he can walk in 30min or take a bike for 10 minutes. Whatever gets the point you are making across and is most suited for a situation.
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On February 12 2012 00:17 leser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 00:04 Chaosvuistje wrote:On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him. That's her responsibility isn't it? If she wants to be even more stuck up and disrespectful, that's fine, but from that point on she won't get off for free like she appearantly has been for quite a long time. For the action she did she deserves the laptop to be shot. Everybody needs to vent, parents and children alike. But putting it on facebook as a way to get recognition and fame for it while antagonizing your parents to the world? Even the sheer audacity to blocking messages to your parents on a social network, while you KNOW that your dad is working in IT, of all the industries, shows some pretty bad cognitive skills. firstly, he knowingly breached her privacy, which is wrong on so many levels. Sure, it's ok to do it when your kid is 8-12 years old, but parents should have basic respect for their kid's privacy by the time they are 16 years old. I'm not saying that the bitching on facebook to your friends is right, or that the tone in which her message was written is right, it's obviously a horrible thing to do, but she is a teenager. All teenagers bitch and whine, I remember whining to my friends about my parents all the time, it just wasn't over facebook. I mean, if the message was out only to her friends and just for bitching sake, I honestly don't see the difference and don't see what is wrong with it compared to going out and bitching to your friends just so you can bitch. There is no sure way of knowing it was hidden only from her parents or if it was posted only to a group of friends from this video anyway. If you can't take some bitching from your kid in his teenage years, without flipping out and shooting your kid's laptop with a fucking .45 you shouldn't be a parent, period. 99% of kids ages 14-18 think their parents suck and make them work more than they should because they have "a feeling in their gut" they are better than almost every other social group out there. It's called being a teenager ffs. I sincerely doubt he ever sat for a decent conversation with his daughter, he probably thinks that everyhing he considers to be right/moral/etc is a given without even talking about it. I mean, he obviously failed to explain to his daughter that the basic chores she has to daily are part of her responsibilities & she has it easy and things will get a lot worse during her life, since there is no way that 15 minutes of work daily would produce that kind of angst from her, dunno, I have a younger sister who is 16 atm and she bitches all the time. I just laugh at her and tell her to do the chores and gets rid of it without even thinking about it, it's a fast\efficient way to keep everyone happy.
Facebook and privacy =\ ya those dont really go together
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This girl is going to get a ton of shit at school now that this video is viral.
Great parenting dad.
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On February 12 2012 01:27 Bippzy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people. That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing. For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad. He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable.
If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
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hahaha love this hero dad so awesome
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With a parent like that, its not wonder that the girl turned out as bad as she did. Good parenting is hard, especially if you were never taught by good parents to begin with and the idiots she hangs out with were also raised by bad parents.
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Well you know what he could of gone a different route, but i think an important point people are overlooking is this girl is obviously someone who feels entitled to everything. At one point she calls the lady a "house cleaner" which the man obviously takes great offense because he says "She has done more than you have ever done" and that she isn't a house cleaner...Right or wrong who cares, everyone parents a different way. As long as he didn't physically abuse her i don't see the problem.
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On February 12 2012 01:46 Wolvmatt. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:27 Bippzy wrote:On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people. That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing. For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad. He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable. If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
You honestly think the jobless 15 year old bought the laptop with her own money? No the dad did so he can do what he wants with it.
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On February 12 2012 01:46 Wolvmatt. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:27 Bippzy wrote:On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people. That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing. For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad. He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable. If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
I can see the logic behind this, i don't know you but i'm going to light your door on fire. OK that makes sense try a better analogy.
Compared to her dad shot her computer? I can guarantee you her father bought her that laptop this girl does not sound like the type who goes out and does her own work.
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On February 12 2012 01:54 Blardy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:46 Wolvmatt. wrote:On February 12 2012 01:27 Bippzy wrote:On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people. That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing. For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad. He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable. If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline? You honestly think the jobless 15 year old bought the laptop with her own money? No the dad did so he can do what he wants with it.
so if you buy something to someone it's still yours to do as you please? Good to know.
it's funny because he reffered to it as "her" laptop throughout the video while in his mind it was obviously his laptop. :D
i find that kind of amusing.
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On February 12 2012 01:46 Wolvmatt. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:27 Bippzy wrote:On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people. That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing. For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad. He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable. If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
Flawed logic. He has control of her computer because until she is 18 she essentially is his property.(Theoretically, no slavery argument). So he can do whatever he wants to "her" which is really his property. It's reasonable parenting, I mean the bullet payment isn't that reasonable but it's acceptable. It can be equated to making her pay for a window she broke playing baseball. Atleast she doesn't have to pay for the laptop :D
and your counterargument is the strawman argument. arguing against something that is close to what I said to make yourself seem right and me stupid.
Edit:On February 12 2012 01:58 leser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:54 Blardy wrote:On February 12 2012 01:46 Wolvmatt. wrote:On February 12 2012 01:27 Bippzy wrote:On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people. That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing. For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad. He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable. If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline? You honestly think the jobless 15 year old bought the laptop with her own money? No the dad did so he can do what he wants with it. so if you buy something to someone it's still yours to do as you please? Good to know.
I'll just give you the discussion on this from yesterday, it is good to know.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2012 14:15 Bippzy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote:On February 11 2012 13:07 Candadar wrote:On February 11 2012 13:06 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today. This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age. On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him. Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol. Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion. Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did. Don't cherry pick. dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss. Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means. On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today. This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age. On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him. Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol. Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion. Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did. Don't cherry pick. Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion. If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless. My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson. I shall respond to your post in 2 part: Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following: + Show Spoiler + I hate people who say "I hate obese people" and someone responding + Show Spoiler +You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole What they did is just responding. Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that. edit: On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice. I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11 Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her. I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring. Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach. I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him. what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property... people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children. I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns. Hey, im that guy you talked about the property. children are like property of parents, but because of this the law protects them. for example mandatory school you must feed you children child abuse is illegal. you cannot kill them however, for purposes like this, they can be considered your property. and if your property has a laptop you put their, you can shoot it with a gun. also, it isnt stealing if the dad takes it. ofcourse you cant steal. idealism<reality of the law. the school can punish students because the law says they act as parents during the school day. therefore, the school can do something like go on her facebook and take away her laptop too, albeit less extreme.
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On February 12 2012 01:44 Geiko wrote: This girl is going to get a ton of shit at school now that this video is viral.
Great parenting dad.
That's the only thing wrong with it. But she should be able to deal with it. See my posts on the last page.
I also hope that the "great parenting dad" thing isn't sarcastic.
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On February 12 2012 01:26 TwilightStar wrote: lol @ people saying he's an "adult throwing a tantrum". honestly? I don't see him complaining and screaming like a little girl, he's addressing his concerns in a logical manner. I don't know man, maybe it's because you're from the US but shooting seven bullets from a .45 at an inanimate object to illustrate your point is far more shocking to me than screaming and yelling like a crazy teenager. I think the daughter isn't the only one to blame in this little story :p
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World needs more parents like this. Your kids do not appreciate what they have, take it away so they can understand how hard life really is.
It is one thing to question authority, or "think by yourself", completely a different story to outright insult the people that gave you life, a place to live, food, clothes, education, all while complaining about what you have to do and even asking for pay, kids these days are so damn spoiled.
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On February 12 2012 01:59 Bippzy wrote:edit: Show nested quote + Hey, im that guy you talked about the property.
children are like property of parents, but because of this the law protects them.
for example mandatory school you must feed you children child abuse is illegal. you cannot kill them
however, for purposes like this, they can be considered your property. and if your property has a laptop you put their, you can shoot it with a gun.
also, it isnt stealing if the dad takes it. ofcourse you cant steal. idealism<reality of the law. the school can punish students because the law says they act as parents during the school day. therefore, the school can do something like go on her facebook and take away her laptop too, albeit less extreme.
Well, I actually wasn't talking about it from a strictly legal point if view. More of a subjective matter, it's just fun to see how people see the same thing from different perspectives and truth isn't universal. . It's not bashing or anything, just an observation . And I apologize for not reading through the whole thread valiantly, obv fail from me .
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On February 12 2012 01:59 Bippzy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:44 Geiko wrote: This girl is going to get a ton of shit at school now that this video is viral.
Great parenting dad. That's the only thing wrong with it. But she should be able to deal with it. See my posts on the last page. I also hope that the "great parenting dad" thing isn't sarcastic.
You seem kinda defensive in favor of the dad. What says she should she be able to handle it? Isn't this the ideal thing to use to alienate someone and bully them? Especially at the age where everyone is the most sensitive.
On February 12 2012 02:02 King[Neikos] wrote: World needs more parents like this. Your kids do not appreciate what they have, take it away so they can understand how hard life really is.
It is one thing to question authority, or "think by yourself", completely a different story to outright insult the people that gave you life, a place to live, food, clothes, education, all while complaining about what you have to do and even asking for pay, kids these days are so damn spoiled.
It's not that easy. She's entitled to all those things you listed by law, whiny or not. Taking away luxury items is pretty standard, shooting them with a gun seem excessive. Putting all of it in a video on facebook/youtube seems stupid.
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On February 12 2012 01:59 Bippzy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:46 Wolvmatt. wrote:On February 12 2012 01:27 Bippzy wrote:On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people. That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing. For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad. He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable. If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline? Flawed logic. He has control of her computer because until she is 18 she essentially is his property.(Theoretically, no slavery argument). So he can do whatever he wants to "her" which is really his property. It's reasonable parenting, I mean the bullet payment isn't that reasonable but it's acceptable. It can be equated to making her pay for a window she broke playing baseball. Atleast she doesn't have to pay for the laptop :D and your counterargument is the strawman argument. arguing against something that is close to what I said to make yourself seem right and me stupid. Edit: Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:58 leser wrote:On February 12 2012 01:54 Blardy wrote:On February 12 2012 01:46 Wolvmatt. wrote:On February 12 2012 01:27 Bippzy wrote:On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people. That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing. For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad. He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable. If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline? You honestly think the jobless 15 year old bought the laptop with her own money? No the dad did so he can do what he wants with it. so if you buy something to someone it's still yours to do as you please? Good to know. I'll just give you the discussion on this from yesterday, it is good to know. + Show Spoiler +On February 11 2012 14:15 Bippzy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote:On February 11 2012 13:07 Candadar wrote:On February 11 2012 13:06 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today. This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age. On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him. Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol. Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion. Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did. Don't cherry pick. dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss. Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means. On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today. This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age. On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him. Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol. Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion. Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did. Don't cherry pick. Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion. If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless. My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson. I shall respond to your post in 2 part: Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following: + Show Spoiler + I hate people who say "I hate obese people" and someone responding + Show Spoiler +You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole What they did is just responding. Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that. edit: On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice. I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11 Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her. I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring. Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach. I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him. what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property... people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children. I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns. Hey, im that guy you talked about the property. children are like property of parents, but because of this the law protects them. for example mandatory school you must feed you children child abuse is illegal. you cannot kill them however, for purposes like this, they can be considered your property. and if your property has a laptop you put their, you can shoot it with a gun. also, it isnt stealing if the dad takes it. ofcourse you cant steal. idealism<reality of the law. the school can punish students because the law says they act as parents during the school day. therefore, the school can do something like go on her facebook and take away her laptop too, albeit less extreme. Edit2: Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 01:44 Geiko wrote: This girl is going to get a ton of shit at school now that this video is viral.
Great parenting dad. That's the only thing wrong with it. But she should be able to deal with it. See my posts on the last page. I also hope that the "great parenting dad" thing isn't sarcastic. Why wouldn't it be sarcastic? It certainly isn't great parenting (I'm not saying he's horrible parent or anything), but he could have solved this in a better way.
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