I won't describe this video in my own words because the youtube video description covers everything:
My daughter thought it would be funny/rebellious/cool to post on her Facebook wall just how upset she was and how unfair her life here is; how we work her too hard with chores, never pay her for chores, and just in general make her life difficult.
She chose to share this with the entire world on Facebook and block her parent's from seeing it. Well, umm... she failed. As of the end of this video, she won't have to worry anymore about posting inappropriate things on Facebook...
Maybe a few kids can take something away from this... If you're so disrespectful to your parents and yourself as to post this kind of thing on Facebook, you're deserving of some tough love. Today, my daughter is getting a dose of tough love.
My own take is that the man is absolutely justified. If I have a kid who crosses the line, my hope is that I will have the courage to discipline them. Obviously, people are going to be talking about petty things + Show Spoiler +
like what he did to the laptop (i.e. could have given it away)
, but the main point is that the father took a strong stance against the entitlement attitudes of many of today's younger generation.
Also, the video clearly shows that the parents care deeply about their child + Show Spoiler +
(he mentioned that she eventually may only use a laptop when she goes to college)
. Clearly he cares enough to discipline her like this.
EDIT: Was pointed out to me there was an interview of the parents. + Show Spoiler +
Media Response to Anita Li, from the Toronto Star
Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I’ll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You’ll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.
Your questions were: Q: Why did y...ou decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?
A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it’s a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people… originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.
Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?
A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn’t remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought “Well, I’ll just wait it out and I’ll get it back eventually.” Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won’t ever forget and it’ll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she’ll remember it and wish she hadn’t done what she did.
The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don’t give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it’s like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you’re young. Most of the things she has that are “cool” were bought or gifted that way. She’s always asked for very few things, but they’re always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That’s not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it’s not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)
She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she’s got parents. It’s not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she’ll NEVER leave it outside at night. She’ll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She’ll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.
Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She’s known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you’re too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I’m certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.
Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?
A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.
Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.
We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:
First: As her father, I’ll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.
Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She’s seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.
There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
i can already see the memes rolling in. this guy is about as stereotypical as it gets. why use a ".45" with "hollow points" when you could simply just smash the laptop. christ sake, we americans love our guns too much sometimes.
Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath.
ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally.
I read this article and while it is somewhat humourous, I am confused on why people think this is a good thing. A kid getting pissed at their parents and typing shit to their friends bitching about it is normal. If your kid does not hate you at some point in their life, then you might be doing something wrong, but what the father does is just childish and stupid. This is not a grown-up way to punish or solve problems in life.
Typical 15 year old American teenage girl, complain all day about hard life when her life is fine. Waste time on facebook posting about parents, then complain about not having a life. =(
I would feel sorry for her, but it seems like she wouldn't have done anything productive at all anyways.
I did not expect him to just pull out his gun and point the camera to the laptop on the ground, then shoot it several times at all.
Not gonna watch video, dont feel like getting annoyed at how retarded this person obviously is.
Teenagers have whined about their parents ever since the word 'teenager' was invented, and whining on facebook is not different from whining to friends --
hahahahaha this is great. This is fine parenting, how my father does it. It's really rough if you don't meet up to expectations, but really nice if you do. I've very rarely not lived up, and when I haven't it really quite sucked. However, my bed and towel and dishes are always clean....so yeah. And really,
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
Yeah...no. He just explained to his daughter what she did was wrong and then disposed of the laptop. If he left it not disposed it would collect dust. That is not tantrum behavior, just cool parenting. If you disagree, I'm curious as to what the proper course of action is and if it would have the desired effect.
The Jinro Edit:
On February 11 2012 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Not gonna watch video, dont feel like getting annoyed at how retarded this person obviously is.
Teenagers have whined about their parents ever since the word 'teenager' was invented, and whining on facebook is not different from whining to friends --
It's like calling your dad an asshole slave driver in public. I would argue that he's correct in his actions, especially because my father would do quite the same thing if I was grounded for something and then did it again... Hmm...how to say this... Don't judge a youtube video by it's description?
Edit2 because someone said something ignorant:
On February 11 2012 12:27 Fuzzmosis wrote: How is he expecting her to watch the video if he just shot her computer?
He said in the video "You may never see this." also he posted it on her facebook wall so I can imagine her friends will see it and I'm doubtful it's really meant only for his daughter.
On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath.
ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally.
He discusses everything she says as far as I'm concerned, I'll leave the burden of truth on the accuser. Also, " What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life." really? I think you're just being dramatic. It's an older way of punishment, destroying entertainment.
Plus, I view this as a parent disciplining his daughter in the same way his daughter bad mouthed him (clever imo). I'm inclined to believe you don't give your daughter a laptop if you are a psycho who wants to ruin her life. AND he didn't post it around the internet, he posted on his daughters facebook and the internet posted it around the internet. I just can't agree with the insinuation of a psycho, it's just an attempt at demonizing a normal thing.
On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath.
ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally.
Exactly...this is not a quality, adult, grown up reaction to things. Is the father still 15 and in high school because that is what it seems like?
Personally I find it to be justified. Especially given that this is apparently not the first time this has happened. Originally I thought he was a bit of an idiot, but after hearing the post from the daughter I changed my mind. Of course, shooting the laptop seems like an odd decision when compared to selling it for example. Bit of a waste imo. But there is something to be said for shock factor.
Well I personally believe teenagers should learn to question their parents authority at times which all of my peers agree, but they seem to abuse it too fucking much.
If you are going to rebel, at least learn to sustain yourself. Teenagers forget how much their parents provide in their life.
One day when I was about 16 my dad came home and got pissed cause I was giving him shit cause he said all I did was play basketball and I was disrespectful all the time ( I pretty much was a punk) And we got in to a huge fight lasted like all day. And then It was like 12 at night and I was out playing even after he told me to stop cause it was keeping everyone up. So he comes running out the garage with a .30-06 kicked the fucking ball down the driveway and unloaded an entire clip into it and walked away.
Good response. We don't have guns here in Canada, so I'd probably just toss it off the roof. Either way, his daughter probably won't change. Stupid is as stupid does.
On February 11 2012 12:28 Coagulation wrote: One day when I was about 16 my dad came home and got pissed cause I was giving him shit cause he said all I did was play basketball and I was disrespectful all the time ( I pretty much was a punk) And we got in to a huge fight lasted like all day. And then It was like 12 at night and I was out playing even after he told me to stop cause it was keeping everyone up. So he comes running out the garage with a .30-06 kicked the fucking ball down the driveway and unloaded an entire clip into it and walked away.
This here just seems ridiculous. Should have played at a public court
All I can say is if this guy were my dad I would leave when it became financially capable and never return, but not before laying his ass out. That's not a loving way to treat your daughter. Snooping on her facebook posts and loading her up with chores and not allowing ANY biteback? Fucking retarded. Any people here who were parented like that, I seriously pity you. My childhood was awesome because my parents didn't allow me to take the piss, but they didn't go crazy and snap when I had a little temper here and there.
On February 11 2012 12:23 TheAmazombie wrote: I read this article and while it is somewhat humourous, I am confused on why people think this is a good thing. A kid getting pissed at their parents and typing shit to their friends bitching about it is normal. If your kid does not hate you at some point in their life, then you might be doing something wrong, but what the father does is just childish and stupid. This is not a grown-up way to punish or solve problems in life.
indeed it will only emotionally batter the kid and make them feel like a hostage. maybe thats how tough love works. beat the kid down mentally until they develop Stockholm syndrome.
On February 11 2012 12:28 canucks12 wrote: Good response. We don't have guns here in Canada, so I'd probably just toss it off the roof. Either way, his daughter probably won't change. Stupid is as stupid does.
On February 11 2012 12:28 Coagulation wrote: One day when I was about 16 my dad came home and got pissed cause I was giving him shit cause he said all I did was play basketball and I was disrespectful all the time ( I pretty much was a punk) And we got in to a huge fight lasted like all day. And then It was like 12 at night and I was out playing even after he told me to stop cause it was keeping everyone up. So he comes running out the garage with a .30-06 kicked the fucking ball down the driveway and unloaded an entire clip into it and walked away.
This here just seems ridiculous. Should have played at a public court
The best part was when he pulled out the handgun...
I never forgot the day my dad whipped my ass on Christmas for crying like a spoiled brat because I didn't get any PS2 games with my PS2. I was humbled a bit by that event.
On February 11 2012 12:23 TheAmazombie wrote: I read this article and while it is somewhat humourous, I am confused on why people think this is a good thing. A kid getting pissed at their parents and typing shit to their friends bitching about it is normal. If your kid does not hate you at some point in their life, then you might be doing something wrong, but what the father does is just childish and stupid. This is not a grown-up way to punish or solve problems in life.
indeed it will only emotionally batter the kid and make them feel like a hostage. maybe thats how tough love works. beat the kid down mentally until they develop Stockholm syndrome.
But he seemed to have blown things too out of proportion.
This is amazing, sounds like she got exactly what she deserves, he's done a lot for her and she's gone and thrown it back in his face. What a boss dad.
On February 11 2012 12:28 Coagulation wrote: One day when I was about 16 my dad came home and got pissed cause I was giving him shit cause he said all I did was play basketball and I was disrespectful all the time ( I pretty much was a punk) And we got in to a huge fight lasted like all day. And then It was like 12 at night and I was out playing even after he told me to stop cause it was keeping everyone up. So he comes running out the garage with a .30-06 kicked the fucking ball down the driveway and unloaded an entire clip into it and walked away.
I don't agree with shooting the computer, which was quite over the top. I found it hilarious though. But taking away your child's computer and cellphone is something that I'm right behind, because they don't need it. They think they do, but they don't really.
I've had plenty of jobs that have shown me what happens when kids don't get parented. She will grow up a better person because of this. I'd rather every parent be like this, than how most of em are where I live.
kinda curious if it was legal unloading that gun like that in close proximity to a public area (assuming he wasnt already on a public area) u can clearly see a road behind him with a decent amount of traffic
On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
I think he does understand why she feels this way - because she's selfish and spoiled?
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
How is that a tantrum? He clearly explains why she's punished and the consequences. He's not out of control or enraged, he just decides to break his laptop.
Shooting may have been a little over the top and I think it would have been better if he had more thoroughly addressed/destroyed her arguments and provided a little bit more back-story. But nicely done sir nicely done.
The guy was totally justified, no doubt about it. Shooting the laptop was a bit off, but there had to be punishment there, and I think he went about it right.
My wife and I always talk about if we want to have kids. My mother-in-law said it would be nice, but fuck I really don't want to have any kids anytime soon. We are both almost 25 and I still feel young as fuck. I don't think I would have kids at least till 30 or higher.
1) money 2) time 3) raising a "rebel" teenager would kill me
PS: I think that was dumb he shot the laptop. It was funny and I'm sure his viewers got entertainment out of it, but I would of just sold the laptop to someone. I always have to remind myself that money doesn't grow on trees. Sometimes I want to smash and break my stuff out of anger, but then I think to myself "What does that accomplish? Now I have to buy a brand new <insert broken item>"
I would not have been comfortable 15 living in a house with someone who thinks that wantonly destroying things they have given me to use for schoolwork, even if they are also used socially, is acceptable. But then I was raised by parents that respected me and respected that I had to work at things in my life, even though I didn't have to do everything they did when they were young. Respect is a two-way street and the father made it clear in that video that he does not respect his daughter.
Also, it's ridiculous for him to want her to pay him back for the bullets he just fired into her laptop or the software he just made useless by firing those bullets.
I don't know what the general situation is at that house, but I have far more sympathy for the kid than the father.
Seriously, this whole video and this guy almost perfectly sum up the words 'petty little man'. What a douchebag. I swear some parents just get addicted to the powertrip of being in control of their child. The reaction he displayed is JUST AS, if not MORE childish than the girl's post and general reluctance to do chores.
He should have confiscated the laptop. It's probably the fact that he is such a weak little man that he is worried he would give in over the confiscation, so to escape his fear and self-doubt he shoots it. Twat!!!
On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
I think he does understand why she feels this way - because she's selfish and spoiled?
You've not demonstrated any understanding at all, you've just applied some labels. Why is she acting in ways that you consider "selfish"? Why is she feeling the way she does? You can't answer without speaking with the daugher.
I bet he regrets this has gone viral. Poor girl... having personal family issues posted all over the web. Yeah, she needs to learn respect, but there are other ways than humiliating your kid in front of the whole web.
Wow, great job dad, instead of showing your daughter why she shoudn't be rebellious, you proved her point as to why she should be. She outlined (albeit childishly) some ok points. She doesn't want to make all the beds, just hers, she doesn't want to clean up after adults if they mess up what is clean because they should be old enough, as she is to clean it themselves. Instead of that, you basically said, WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE I WALKED IN THE SNOW UPHILL BOTH WAYS TO SCHOOL! The most childish thing was destroying her freedom of speech, she has that right, and you can't destroy HER property because you as an adult feel disrespected. When someone curses another person out, do they shoot up their laptops? Nope they take it, feel disrespected and thats it. I understand punishment, but if you don't address why she feels such a way, all you do is create more socially rebellious behavior in the child. Instead of acknowledging her complaint, addressing it and teaching her to question authority, to ask for change, you are just being as big an ass as i bet you thought your parents were. I like how you outlined how all the adults are disrespected when all she did was rant on facebook. I bet you that this guys story about going to college, being a fireman and HS all at the same time coincided the hardest singular year of his life and that he is using such a drastic point of view as a justification for saying she has it easy is stupid. I could just as easily tell him to screw off, he has had it easy and that their is a child somewhere with no food. My point in short is that this was drastic and totalitarian and violates the very idea he is trying to inculcate
TL;DR he basically is screwing over his life lesson by being too authoritative and not addressing her complaints in an adult manner.
On February 11 2012 12:39 sc4k wrote: Seriously, this whole video and this guy almost perfectly sum up the words 'petty little man'. What a douchebag. I swear some parents just get addicted to the powertrip of being in control of their child. The reaction he displayed is JUST AS, if not MORE childish than the girl's post and general reluctance to do chores.
He should have confiscated the laptop. It's probably the fact that he is such a weak little man that he is worried he would give in over the confiscation, so to escape his fear and self-doubt he shoots it. Twat!!!
It's much less about him than you think. He has mentioned that he had previously grounded his daughter AND he had warned her that worse things would happen. While I do not agree with the shooting of the laptop, I do believe that a punishment is definitely necessary. In a typical Asian household disrespecting one's parents would be taken quite seriously. While they clearly are not Asian, this family has a more traditional viewpoint on life that centers on respect.
His reaction, disappointment, is more than justified. His actions less so.
On February 11 2012 12:34 kukarachaa wrote: kinda curious if it was legal unloading that gun like that in close proximity to a public area (assuming he wasnt already on a public area) u can clearly see a road behind him with a decent amount of traffic
um, due to his accent, thats his back yard. he owns that entire area.
Also, did anyone notice his little speech about how when he was 15, he went to school AND college, he worked 2 jobs, and he was also a volunteer fireman?
We can discount the fireman part because volunteers never go or do anything unless they're called up by necessity, so being a volunteer fireman basically means once in a blue moon you fight a fire.
But then there's still the issue of the fact that two jobs alone take up a persons entire day for every day of the week, and hes claiming he did this as well as went to two schools and was able to do the homework for both of them.
I'm sorry but thats blatent lies, simply because that would mean he has nothing else to do but sleep for 6 hours and then start that day over.
I'd be pretty pissed off if I found out my parents were spying on me through Facebook. Apart from that the family seems to have quite a communication problem if this is what it's gotten to with them, and the dad kinda comes off as a bit of a douche, or at least as something very different from what I think I'd do if I was a parent. The fact that there isn't an unbiased informed opinion to go along with the video makes this pretty much useless, the daughter could very well be acting like a spoiled attention whore, or the dad could very well be an authoritarian asshole.
Also is it legal to fire a whole clip's worth of ammo without any reason for it to be necessary (like robbery or something)? Especially since he was pretty close to a street, seems like there would be some trouble about that.
Almost no one in this current day and age understand the meaning of respect. Although this guy has used some extreme measures, that's all he's trying to teach his daughter. I can't fault him for that and at the end of the day, his daughter will come out a better person because of this.
On February 11 2012 12:50 TechnoZerg wrote: i can see where the girl inherited her stupidity from.
you know, my thinking has been overly complex. This sums it up perfectly.
On February 11 2012 12:52 Attican wrote: I'd be pretty pissed off if I found out my parents were spying on me through Facebook. Apart from that the family seems to have quite a communication problem if this is what it's gotten to with them, and the dad kinda comes off as a bit of a douche, or at least as something very different from what I think I'd do if I was a parent. The fact that there isn't an unbiased informed opinion to go along with the video makes this pretty much useless, the daughter could very well be acting like a spoiled attention whore, or the dad could very well be an authoritarian asshole.
Also is it legal to fire a whole clip's worth of ammo without any reason for it to be necessary (like robbery or something)? Especially since he was pretty close to a street, seems like there would be some trouble about that.
he could and probably will get in trouble for it, if the anonymous group or 4chan kids take the trouble to send it to the local police station to get him in trouble. That is pretty blatantly disregarding general public safety to teach your kid a lesson. if a bullet can skip over the ocean for 2 miles to kill someone on shore....
Obviously, shooting the laptop was a bit over the top. Some people would have mentioned selling the laptop or something like that. I honestly don't think it would have the same effect (whether good or bad) as shooting it would.
I think the real point to be seen here is that the Father is trying to teach his daughter to be thankful. She had been warned before, and she did it again. Also, it seems like what she posted was very disrespectful. There are ways to express your feelings without being a jerk; she probably needs to learn that. The principle of disciplining your child with a punishment is perfectly fine. She is going to be mad right now, but in the future she is probably going to be thankful that her Father raised her (seems like he is trying to from the video) to not be a disrespectful person and gave her responsibilities (or chores) to do to prepare her for the real world. A little over dramatic, but still good parenting.
This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today. In some ways, I think that the absolute worst thing that the girl did was calling the woman that was cleaning the house to pay off on something a "cleaning lady." That was just terrible and I'm glad the father defended that woman.
On February 11 2012 12:30 sc4k wrote: All I can say is if this guy were my dad I would leave when it became financially capable and never return, but not before laying his ass out. That's not a loving way to treat your daughter. Snooping on her facebook posts and loading her up with chores and not allowing ANY biteback? Fucking retarded. Any people here who were parented like that, I seriously pity you. My childhood was awesome because my parents didn't allow me to take the piss, but they didn't go crazy and snap when I had a little temper here and there.
Loading her up with chores = at most 30 minutes of chores a day? That is hardly loading someone up with chores, especially when they aren't paying their way for anything...
I don't get why people are so amped. This dude a pretty strict stance, but hell, it's his parenting. It ain't any better than letting his kid run rampant like a prissy little shit. As far as I'm concerned, during your teenage years, your parents are either dicks or non-existent.
EDIT: Also, this is quite the opposite of, "Childish," "Immature," or, "Similar," behavior. He didnt just shoot it and yell, "Respect my authority," he put out his problem, explained it, elaborated on why it's wrong, the past problems which have not changed, and how the behavior lead to this. Hell, in a way, I wish my parents were this clear and explained all of their shit...
On February 11 2012 12:54 Coagulation wrote: Theres no laws against firing guns as much as you want on your own property in rural areas like the one in video. AMERICA! FUCK YEAH
On February 11 2012 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Not gonna watch video, dont feel like getting annoyed at how retarded this person obviously is.
Teenagers have whined about their parents ever since the word 'teenager' was invented, and whining on facebook is not different from whining to friends --
What an awful fucking post.
She didn't just whine, she disrespected both her father and her mother, swearing at them.
It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
This guy absolutely did the best thing for what the situation called for. Kids need to learn more respect towards their elders. It seems that nowadays with all of the technology, kids are spending too much time in front of their computers to even acknowledge all that their parents do so that they can sit at their desks and watch youtube all day. That girl is the epitome of ungrateful and selfish. Damn, I hope that I can grow up to be half the father that that guy is...
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
I think humiliating her on Facebook by reading her post on youtube was harsh as it is (along with forcing her to get a job and confiscating her stuff, that's tough love).
But putting a bullet through her laptop and the software you bought (what the hell did you buy IT man?) is so extreme and looks petty. Why destroy such a perfectly good laptop and why the fuck would a girl use Facebook to rant about shit.
There's so many questions unanswered ): I thought the video was hilarious and gasping, but...
On February 11 2012 12:39 -_-Quails wrote: I would not have been comfortable 15 living in a house with someone who thinks that wantonly destroying things they have given me to use for schoolwork, even if they are also used socially, is acceptable. But then I was raised by parents that respected me and respected that I had to work at things in my life, even though I didn't have to do everything they did when they were young. Respect is a two-way street and the father made it clear in that video that he does not respect his daughter.
Also, it's ridiculous for him to want her to pay him back for the bullets he just fired into her laptop or the software he just made useless by firing those bullets.
I don't know what the general situation is at that house, but I have far more sympathy for the kid than the father.
You don't think there is respect? I'm sure its a wonderfully respectful family, unless if you disrespect your parents to the Facebook public. You can't just say your whole "respect is a two way street" thing without realizing that it's hypocratic in this situation to argue from the girl's perspective. The money thing is reasonable from a lesson perspective, teaching her that where she views her parents as watching her do work all the time, in actuality they work and spend the earning from their work as well as time on her(and the earning is no petty thing).
Also, is
even though I didn't have to do everything they did when they were young.
On February 11 2012 12:50 TechnoZerg wrote: i can see where the girl inherited her stupidity from.
I've got to second this. Gotta love the internet.
Don't be that stuck up guy. This is just a solid style of parenting. I would argue that the father sounds like a fairly intelligent person, considering he expects his daughter to be a mature individual. It's the uneducated ones that care less.
On February 11 2012 12:54 Coagulation wrote: Theres no laws against firing guns as much as you want on your own property in rural areas like the one in video. AMERICA! FUCK YEAH
thats incorrect. please know your ordinances.
some states/countys might have stricter laws however everywhere I have lived there has never been any prohibition of shooting firearms on your property and everywhere I have lived like 90% of the neighbors actively hunt on their own property.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
On February 11 2012 12:50 docvoc wrote: Wow, great job dad, instead of showing your daughter why she shoudn't be rebellious, you proved her point as to why she should be. She outlined (albeit childishly) some ok points. She doesn't want to make all the beds, just hers, she doesn't want to clean up after adults if they mess up what is clean because they should be old enough, as she is to clean it themselves. Instead of that, you basically said, WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE I WALKED IN THE SNOW UPHILL BOTH WAYS TO SCHOOL! The most childish thing was destroying her freedom of speech, she has that right, and you can't destroy HER property because you as an adult feel disrespected. When someone curses another person out, do they shoot up their laptops? Nope they take it, feel disrespected and thats it. I understand punishment, but if you don't address why she feels such a way, all you do is create more socially rebellious behavior in the child. Instead of acknowledging her complaint, addressing it and teaching her to question authority, to ask for change, you are just being as big an ass as i bet you thought your parents were. I like how you outlined how all the adults are disrespected when all she did was rant on facebook. I bet you that this guys story about going to college, being a fireman and HS all at the same time coincided the hardest singular year of his life and that he is using such a drastic point of view as a justification for saying she has it easy is stupid. I could just as easily tell him to screw off, he has had it easy and that their is a child somewhere with no food. My point in short is that this was drastic and totalitarian and violates the very idea he is trying to inculcate
TL;DR he basically is screwing over his life lesson by being too authoritative and not addressing her complaints in an adult manner.
He outlined and corrected most of what she wrote:
- She did made all the beds each day, he corrected her and say she makes her own, and maybe the spare one in a while. - She has to clean the floors, he admitted and countered by saying it takes no time at all (which if you ever swept floors would know is true) - She had to do dishes and clean the counters. When all she really had to do what put away dishes from the dishwasher or load some dishes if they're there. Counters take all of a minute or two to clean so it's really not a big deal - She doesn't want to make coffee, he never addressed this, but honestly coffee isn't a big deal
She then claimed all of these responsibilities should have been done by their "maid", which the father corrects her on by saying she's not at all a maid. He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
Had she actually had any real complaints than yeah, I could feel some sympathy for her. But her "complaints" are all just her bitching about having to actually do things. She does have it easy. I had to actually hand-wash the dishes when I lived with my family, buy my own laptop, and do various other chores that my parents felt I should do (clean the basement, garage, mow the lawn, shovel snow, etc).
While I won't say he acted the best way (I would have just kept her laptop or given it away), I'll commend him for actually trying to be a parent.
Also lol, teaching her to question his authority? Only a dumbass would go up to there child and say they should question everything they say. Insulting her parents on facebook is disrespect, I don't see how you can see it any other way.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like what you just said are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Everyone from the south? Really? That just makes you a douche.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I think I do, but at the same time, you're doing the extreme contrast of it rofl. Anecdotal experience -> make generalization.
good one, we all make generalizations, but they're not as blatant or we don't vocalize them because we know they're not entirely accurate.
You can actually hear his voice shaking while he's talking. He was not doing this while being calm, and he'll probably regret this because it will create a lot of hostility between them, and I don't know if they are capable of forgiving.
Anyway, I had a the chance while I was growing up to witness the fights between my mother and my older sister. It was not a pretty sight, and while they never outright hated each-other, every time they argued over something stupid, it only made the relationship worse. It usually boils down to independence at that age. It's hard to quantify independence, and you can't outright blame someone for taking away their independence, but it happens nonetheless and it's irritating. Eventually, it becomes unbearable and you just get upset over everything. Things like chores, curfews, orders and monetary dependence are all pieces in that puzzle.
It's a lot easier to build a positive relationship if the other person can make their own choice and have their own buying power. While it may seem absurd to some parents, I think allowance is a great way to teach children about saving and having choice over what they buy. When I was young, I wanted to buy pokemon cards, but they were expensive and I knew my mother had more important things to spend her money on and I wouldn't feel right for asking her money constantly. My grand-father told me about doing chores for money, so I went and asked my mother. She agreed to pay me 5$ every week if I passed the vacuum cleaner through the house on Fridays and helped with some other things. It wasn't much, but for me at that age it meant a lot!
So I started saving to buys things that I really wanted. I counted the money I earned and put it aside until I could buy some of those pokemon packs
It taught me a lot about earning and the price of things though. It also made me cherish my independence. It was a great feeling to be able to buy stuff with the money I'd earned.
Anyhow, in conclusion, I think the father messed the whole thing up. While his action might be a good way to get steam off, it was in no way a constructive reaction. It's normal for teenagers to get upset, and the best way to solve problems is to talk to them calmly and with understanding. Using violence does not solve the problem.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Everyone from the south? Really? That just makes you a douche.
If it lowers your blood pressure, I'll revise my statement.
"My experience with those from the South and their culture has been generally negative and thus leads my over-arching opinion of them to be negative, and most tend to be douchebags in my experience for reasons that I will not divulge in now because they are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand."
Now cool your butt and let's actually stay on topic, jah?
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
It seems the South is the only place left in this Country where people still show respect. Simply a father trying to teach his daughter the tough lessons of life before she goes out and gets fucked by the world.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
a really silly method of distancing himself from her daughter. not just himself but the mother too. Now she is gonna be angry/miserable/sad/depressed, and she wont be asking help from her parents, hell she wont even be able to talk his friends or other reletives about the issue.
On February 11 2012 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Not gonna watch video, dont feel like getting annoyed at how retarded this person obviously is.
Teenagers have whined about their parents ever since the word 'teenager' was invented, and whining on facebook is not different from whining to friends --
Lol you should watch it man... I don't know what you think it is but you really just kind of attacked someone based on one picture of him and a small sample of what he and the OP had to say on the matter. There's two sides to the story that he explains in the video.
But good job though, all the blind hate on your team's forums must be helping you get back into Code S!
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Everyone from the south? Really? That just makes you a douche.
If it lowers your blood pressure, I'll revise my statement.
"My experience with those from the South and their culture has been generally negative and thus leads my over-arching opinion of them to be negative, and most tend to be douchebags in my experience for reasons that I will not divulge in now because they are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand."
Now cool your butt and let's actually stay on topic, jah?
Seriously? You realize that what you said and continue to defend wasn't on topic to begin with.
Yet you're accusing the people of responding to it of being off-topic? Do you see what's wrong with this picture?
Anyways, I'm curious what the dad is going to think when he sees this video has millions of views now.
On February 11 2012 13:12 Kaitlin wrote: It seems the South is the only place left in this Country where people still show respect. Simply a father trying to teach his daughter the tough lessons of life before she goes out and gets fucked by the world.
I think the part about her refusing to even try to get a job got at me the most. I was working when I turned 15, the day I turned it I sent in applications for work. Kids should learn to work and respect authority. You don't have to like authority, not at all. Kids hate their parents, it's no secret and no one really gives two shits. No one likes those who have the power to order them around, it's a basic fact of life. However, we need to suck it up and swallow our pride and just do what needs to be done. She needs to clean up after herself, make her own bed, and wash some dishes every once in a while.
Boo hoo her life is so horrible, I bet. Oh no, her dad shot the laptop he bought with his own hard earned money, which he spent almost an entire day the day before working on for his daughter so that it can be better for her; only to go onto Facebook and find her spitting in his face.
Now, if SHE bought the laptop, it would be an entirely different story when he shot it. However, all he did was read a letter that she put up on a public internet domain on another public internet domain, share his thoughts that she was overreacting and 30 minutes of "chores", max, was not as back breaking as he made it out to be, and that he works his ass off only to be spat upon by her. I don't see the issue.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Everyone from the south? Really? That just makes you a douche.
If it lowers your blood pressure, I'll revise my statement.
"My experience with those from the South and their culture has been generally negative and thus leads my over-arching opinion of them to be negative, and most tend to be douchebags in my experience for reasons that I will not divulge in now because they are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand."
Now cool your butt and let's actually stay on topic, jah?
Seriously? You realize that what you said and continue to defend wasn't on topic to begin with.
Yet you're accusing the people of responding to it of being off-topic? Do you see what's wrong with this picture?
I called the dad a douchebag, I was asked how he was a douchebag, I explained my reasoning briefly and everyone threw a fuss over it. I was asked so I answered, feel free to disagree and you got an issue with it, feel free to PM me and we can have a swell old discussion about it there even
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Everyone from the south? Really? That just makes you a douche.
If it lowers your blood pressure, I'll revise my statement.
"My experience with those from the South and their culture has been generally negative and thus leads my over-arching opinion of them to be negative, and most tend to be douchebags in my experience for reasons that I will not divulge in now because they are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand."
Now cool your butt and let's actually stay on topic, jah?
I'd shoot your computer, and I'm from Boston. Basically can't get more North than without being Maine, which is barely a state.
Girl didn't go disrespect her dad, just whined about having to do chores on facebook. And the dad busts out a gun in response? Making a public video instead of a private facebook note?
Kids have always and will always bitch about chores and their parents among their friends. She just did it the modern way, on facebook. This guy is a nut.
Jinro with the mindgames knowing the video was garbage without watching it. Too smart.
@guy below, maybe laws are different state by state, but you can't work under 15 where I'm from unless you're doing it illegally.
On February 11 2012 12:41 Archybaldie wrote: honestly, my only thoughts about this is ... its probabaly his laptop if he wants to shoot his own property then shoot it
^^ you said it.
He bought it, he can do whatever he wants with it.
I've worked since I was 14...I can't even imagine otherwise.
I think she got off really easy, and probably won't learn because of it...
I did something similar when I was her age, and I got kicked out of the house. I had to live on my own for two months before my family would let me move back in. Boy did I respect everything my parents have always given me after that....and I am a much better person for it!
I think he is doing the right thing by this, and all of those people who are saying that it is normal for teenagers to do this...maybe you're right, but by the parent not coming down hard, and just rolling over teaches the child nothing about the real world at all.
Name one other authority figure in life that would allow her to disrespect them like that without consequences?
Why do so many people think it's bad way of parenting? He just showed his daughter how it feels to do what she did (fucking people in public for an unimportant reason). The lesson lies in the first part of the video while the second part about the gun and the laptop doesn't really mean much except visually telling her that there will be no more money spent on her entertainment from her family. The part where he brags about what he did where he was young is ridicolous.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
On February 11 2012 13:09 Candadar wrote: Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
Well either he gave it to her as a gift, wich would result in a change of ownerchip. Or he is an even bigger idiot destroying his own laptop as an result of her misbehavior.
docvoc United States. February 11 2012 12:50 The most childish thing was destroying her freedom of speech, she has that right, and you can't destroy HER property because you as an adult feel disrespected. When someone curses another person out, do they shoot up their laptops?
Although he did act in an extreme manner I would like to ask you if you truely believe that she owned that laptop. (and when I say owned I mean bought it with her money) If she in fact did not buy it but was gifted it from a father who felt she was entitled to a laptop of her own I still consider that his laptop, that he bought, with his money, and gifted that to his daughter in the trust she would respect it and follow proper netiquette. And if you pull the "oh what if her mom bought it for her" card on me he said in the video that he and the mother had agreed she was out of line and discussed the punishment together (while he was busting a cap in it). Blabbing your problems to the whole world on a social networking site is bad enough, but when you drag other peoples names into it that's when you've involved them personally in a matter that with better communication between the two individuals could have been solved in a more grown up manner. Since she acted in a childish manner it would stand to reason that you can only effectively communicate with her in childish ways.
My point being maybe his parenting skills shouldn't be dragged into this when it comes right down to it because none of us know if this worked and got through to her that her dad is tired of being disrespected, not to mention humiliated in front of her friends and their families. And my last order of business is that him destroying the laptop which I am sure is HIS in the first place is HIS decision to make. If it indeed is hers, which I highly doubt, he stated it wasn't in a satisfactory condition to meet her needs. He installed $130 of software/parts in it which I imagine he did outta the love and appreciation he has for his daughter. Seems to me she could use a reality check because she could have it way worse.
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
It isn't her property... Last I checked when you don't pay for something it isn't yours, unless it is given to you... This is more of a "I am letting you use this"...
She addressed the letter to her parents and tried to hide it from them? lol weird Obviously there are two sides to the situation and it wouldn't be logical to fully agree with either the dad or child since we don't really know who to believe. For example, she says that she has to make all the beds and he says that she only has to make hers. I just think that it's too harsh to destroy her computer and make her pay for the new software as a punishment and I'm fairly certain he said "lazy ass" yeah? That's no way to talk to your daughter, even if she said rude things to you first... it's just childish. It also doesn't make much sense to say things like "My life was way harder when I was a kid, so you have nothing to complain about" because his childhood probably involved very different circumstances and he's part of a different generation. My 2 cents anyways. >,>
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
On February 11 2012 13:09 Candadar wrote: Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
Well either he gave it to her as a gift, wich would result in a change of ownerchip. Or he is an even bigger idiot destroying his own laptop as an result of her misbehavior.
That's not quite how the father/child relationship works. The parent has the right to take shit away, especially if they bought it. If they bought it, they can also destroy it. Also, that was rather funny though. "You'll have to pay me back for these bullets."
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Everyone from the south? Really? That just makes you a douche.
If it lowers your blood pressure, I'll revise my statement.
"My experience with those from the South and their culture has been generally negative and thus leads my over-arching opinion of them to be negative, and most tend to be douchebags in my experience for reasons that I will not divulge in now because they are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand."
Now cool your butt and let's actually stay on topic, jah?
So you met a couple of people and didn't like them for some reason you won't explain and now you hate a whole group of people? That's like saying a black guy pissed me off once, but I'm not going to tell you why cause it's irrelevant, so now I hate black people.
On February 11 2012 13:12 Kaitlin wrote: It seems the South is the only place left in this Country where people still show respect. Simply a father trying to teach his daughter the tough lessons of life before she goes out and gets fucked by the world.
I think the part about her refusing to even try to get a job got at me the most. I was working when I turned 15, the day I turned it I sent in applications for work. Kids should learn to work and respect authority. You don't have to like authority, not at all. Kids hate their parents, it's no secret and no one really gives two shits. No one likes those who have the power to order them around, it's a basic fact of life. However, we need to suck it up and swallow our pride and just do what needs to be done. She needs to clean up after herself, make her own bed, and wash some dishes every once in a while.
Boo hoo her life is so horrible, I bet. Oh no, her dad shot the laptop he bought with his own hard earned money, which he spent almost an entire day the day before working on for his daughter so that it can be better for her; only to go onto Facebook and find her spitting in his face.
Now, if SHE bought the laptop, it would be an entirely different story when he shot it. However, all he did was read a letter that she put up on a public internet domain on another public internet domain, share his thoughts that she was overreacting and 30 minutes of "chores", max, was not as back breaking as he made it out to be, and that he works his ass off only to be spat upon by her. I don't see the issue.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Everyone from the south? Really? That just makes you a douche.
If it lowers your blood pressure, I'll revise my statement.
"My experience with those from the South and their culture has been generally negative and thus leads my over-arching opinion of them to be negative, and most tend to be douchebags in my experience for reasons that I will not divulge in now because they are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand."
Now cool your butt and let's actually stay on topic, jah?
Seriously? You realize that what you said and continue to defend wasn't on topic to begin with.
Yet you're accusing the people of responding to it of being off-topic? Do you see what's wrong with this picture?
I called the dad a douchebag, I was asked how he was a douchebag, I explained my reasoning briefly and everyone threw a fuss over it. I was asked so I answered, feel free to disagree and you got an issue with it, feel free to PM me and we can have a swell old discussion about it there even
First, answering "how is he a douchebag" with "because he is from the south" is neither good reasoning nor relevant to the thread.
Second, it's okay for you to respond to someone's dispute over something you say and it counts as on topic, but if someone else responds to your dispute, it's off-topic? Come on..
On February 11 2012 13:18 Trumpet wrote: Girl didn't go disrespect her dad, just whined about having to do chores on facebook. And the dad busts out a gun in response? Making a public video instead of a private facebook note?
Kids have always and will always bitch about chores and their parents among their friends. She just did it the modern way, on facebook. This guy is a nut.
Jinro with the mindgames knowing the video was garbage without watching it. Too smart.
@guy below, maybe laws are different state by state, but you can't work under 15 where I'm from unless you're doing it illegally.
Dude, cussing both of your parents out and making fun of "the cleaning lady" isn't disrespect? Did you even watch the video?
I actually developed a liking for the father. While he was a bit tough in his punishment, he seems to be a hardworking and honest person. Plus, he doesn't seem like the average redneck Southerner (he actually went to college OMGAH). Anyways, he had all the right to do what he did, although shooting a gun in public is questionable.
On February 11 2012 13:12 Kaitlin wrote: It seems the South is the only place left in this Country where people still show respect. Simply a father trying to teach his daughter the tough lessons of life before she goes out and gets fucked by the world.
I think the part about her refusing to even try to get a job got at me the most. I was working when I turned 15, the day I turned it I sent in applications for work. Kids should learn to work and respect authority. You don't have to like authority, not at all. Kids hate their parents, it's no secret and no one really gives two shits. No one likes those who have the power to order them around, it's a basic fact of life. However, we need to suck it up and swallow our pride and just do what needs to be done. She needs to clean up after herself, make her own bed, and wash some dishes every once in a while.
Boo hoo her life is so horrible, I bet. Oh no, her dad shot the laptop he bought with his own hard earned money, which he spent almost an entire day the day before working on for his daughter so that it can be better for her; only to go onto Facebook and find her spitting in his face.
Now, if SHE bought the laptop, it would be an entirely different story when he shot it. However, all he did was read a letter that she put up on a public internet domain on another public internet domain, share his thoughts that she was overreacting and 30 minutes of "chores", max, was not as back breaking as he made it out to be, and that he works his ass off only to be spat upon by her. I don't see the issue.
On February 11 2012 13:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:11 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:09 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Everyone from the south? Really? That just makes you a douche.
If it lowers your blood pressure, I'll revise my statement.
"My experience with those from the South and their culture has been generally negative and thus leads my over-arching opinion of them to be negative, and most tend to be douchebags in my experience for reasons that I will not divulge in now because they are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand."
Now cool your butt and let's actually stay on topic, jah?
Seriously? You realize that what you said and continue to defend wasn't on topic to begin with.
Yet you're accusing the people of responding to it of being off-topic? Do you see what's wrong with this picture?
I called the dad a douchebag, I was asked how he was a douchebag, I explained my reasoning briefly and everyone threw a fuss over it. I was asked so I answered, feel free to disagree and you got an issue with it, feel free to PM me and we can have a swell old discussion about it there even
First, answering "how is he a douchebag" with "because he is from the south" is neither good reasoning nor relevant to the thread.
Second, it's okay for you to respond to someone's dispute over something you say and it counts as on topic, but if someone else responds to your dispute, it's off-topic? Come on..
Like I said, if you feel the need to further this, do PM me. I would be more than glad to talk about it there But not here.
Anyways, as I said, I do think although he handled this correctly in word/action, his attitude was all wrong. He was just had that cocky and arrogant air about him, and it really rubbed off the wrong way which is what I think most of the hostility towards this video is coming from. His attitude, not what he's saying.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Everyone from the south? Really? That just makes you a douche.
If it lowers your blood pressure, I'll revise my statement.
"My experience with those from the South and their culture has been generally negative and thus leads my over-arching opinion of them to be negative, and most tend to be douchebags in my experience for reasons that I will not divulge in now because they are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand."
Now cool your butt and let's actually stay on topic, jah?
Dude you're no better than Racists who hate all black people over what a group do. Grow up.
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
On February 11 2012 13:09 Candadar wrote: Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
Well either he gave it to her as a gift, wich would result in a change of ownerchip. Or he is an even bigger idiot destroying his own laptop as an result of her misbehavior.
That's not quite how the father/child relationship works. The parent has the right to take shit away, especially if they bought it. If they bought it, they can also destroy it. Also, that was rather funny though. "You'll have to pay me back for these bullets."
Yep i get what you say but consider it was a chrismas or birthday gift... In that case its actually changing the owner after that. Still you can take it away but its still the property of them in a way...
In my opinion its wrong to use material stuff to parent a child anyway.
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
On February 11 2012 13:09 Candadar wrote: Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
Well either he gave it to her as a gift, wich would result in a change of ownerchip. Or he is an even bigger idiot destroying his own laptop as an result of her misbehavior.
That's not quite how the father/child relationship works. The parent has the right to take shit away, especially if they bought it. If they bought it, they can also destroy it. Also, that was rather funny though. "You'll have to pay me back for these bullets."
Yep i get what you say but consider it was a chrismas or birthday gift... In that case its actually changing the owner after that. Still you can take it away but its still the property of them in a way...
In my opinion its wrong to use material stuff to parent a child anyway.
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
The dad had every right to be mad but I think he needs to consider the impact of social networking sites like facebook on modern parent-child relations. This girl is going to be MORTIFIED - 3 million people have already seen it, its probably going to be in the national news and the views are only going to go up. I think the dad should have made a facebook post regarding the incident. This is going to ravage their future relationships.
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
so if you buy someone gifts and GIVE them to the other person, you retain all personal rights to destroy said object? I wouldn't want you as a person I exchange gifts with for christmas.. :\
LOL, it seems that both of them don't get it at all. I mean the girl seems to be so fucking lazy. But, I think the dad's reaction is the worst you could do... I mean at some point teenagers will always question authorities and that's standard, you don't need to go shoot at a fucking laptop to prove your ''adult point of view''. We could compare the situation to the Syria situation, where the dictator feels he losing the control of his population and then proceeds to kill everybody, definitely not the best way to maintain control in an healthy climate. At least, some teenager girls will be taught a lesson about facebook with this video (at least I hope).
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
so if you buy someone gifts and GIVE them to the other person, you retain all personal rights to destroy said object? I wouldn't want you as a person I exchange gifts with for christmas.. :\
Again, there's a difference between buying a gift for someone else and buying something for your underage child.
As many others have said, she is under 18, and legally, she is essentially his property and therefore anything she owns is also his property.
Man. I don't know how I feel. I feel that the parent was right and I don't think he was crazy, he seemd fairly rational when he was discussing the note that the daughter wrote. However, I don't know if shooting bullets into her laptop is good. It is good that he took it away, but seemed overly violent. I would have taken the laptop apart and make some sort of pseudo art and mount it in the family room.
On February 11 2012 13:34 AegonC wrote: The dad had every right to be mad but I think he needs to consider the impact of social networking sites like facebook on modern parent-child relations. This girl is going to be MORTIFIED - 3 million people have already seen it, its probably going to be in the national news and the views are only going to go up. I think the dad should have made a facebook post regarding the incident. This is going to ravage their future relationships.
Yep. She'll forever be the girl with the dad that shot her laptop.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
docvoc United States. February 11 2012 12:50 The most childish thing was destroying her freedom of speech, she has that right, and you can't destroy HER property because you as an adult feel disrespected. When someone curses another person out, do they shoot up their laptops?
Although he did act in an extreme manner I would like to ask you if you truely believe that she owned that laptop. (and when I say owned I mean bought it with her money) If she in fact did not buy it but was gifted it from a father who felt she was entitled to a laptop of her own I still consider that his laptop, that he bought, with his money, and gifted that to his daughter in the trust she would respect it and follow proper netiquette. And if you pull the "oh what if her mom bought it for her" card on me he said in the video that he and the mother had agreed she was out of line and discussed the punishment together (while he was busting a cap in it). Blabbing your problems to the whole world on a social networking site is bad enough, but when you drag other peoples names into it that's when you've involved them personally in a matter that with better communication between the two individuals could have been solved in a more grown up manner. Since she acted in a childish manner it would stand to reason that you can only effectively communicate with her in childish ways.
My point being maybe his parenting skills shouldn't be dragged into this when it comes right down to it because none of us know if this worked and got through to her that her dad is tired of being disrespected, not to mention humiliated in front of her friends and their families. And my last order of business is that him destroying the laptop which I am sure is HIS in the first place is HIS decision to make. If it indeed is hers, which I highly doubt, he stated it wasn't in a satisfactory condition to meet her needs. He installed $130 of software/parts in it which I imagine he did outta the love and appreciation he has for his daughter. Seems to me she could use a reality check because she could have it way worse.
While i understand that its not technically hers and that he bought it, she can't technically buy anything without a job and 15 is the minimum age for that. Also the point isn't that he took it, the point is that he displayed behavior that he wouldn't want his daughter to have, which is disrespecting property, showing aggression with a gun, and authoritarianism. I'm guessing discipline in his eyes aren't these things but that is what he is physically showing her despite his message. Its not as much the fact it wasn't hers as much as he is feeding her rebellious nature by not addressing the issues she set up and basically saying my way or the highway.
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
On February 11 2012 13:09 Candadar wrote: Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
Well either he gave it to her as a gift, wich would result in a change of ownerchip. Or he is an even bigger idiot destroying his own laptop as an result of her misbehavior.
That's not quite how the father/child relationship works. The parent has the right to take shit away, especially if they bought it. If they bought it, they can also destroy it. Also, that was rather funny though. "You'll have to pay me back for these bullets."
Yep i get what you say but consider it was a chrismas or birthday gift... In that case its actually changing the owner after that. Still you can take it away but its still the property of them in a way...
In my opinion its wrong to use material stuff to parent a child anyway.
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
On February 11 2012 13:09 Candadar wrote: Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
Well either he gave it to her as a gift, wich would result in a change of ownerchip. Or he is an even bigger idiot destroying his own laptop as an result of her misbehavior.
That's not quite how the father/child relationship works. The parent has the right to take shit away, especially if they bought it. If they bought it, they can also destroy it. Also, that was rather funny though. "You'll have to pay me back for these bullets."
Yep i get what you say but consider it was a chrismas or birthday gift... In that case its actually changing the owner after that. Still you can take it away but its still the property of them in a way...
In my opinion its wrong to use material stuff to parent a child anyway.
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
On February 11 2012 13:39 Carapas wrote: LOL, it seems that both of them don't get it at all. I mean the girl seems to be so fucking lazy. But, I think the dad's reaction is the worst you could do... I mean at some point teenagers will always question authorities and that's standard, you don't need to go shoot at a fucking laptop to prove your ''adult point of view''. We could compare the situation to the Syria situation, where the dictator feels he losing the control of his population and then proceeds to kill everybody, definitely not the best way to maintain control in an healthy climate. At least, some teenager girls will be taught a lesson about facebook with this video (at least I hope).
No, I dont think we can compare this to Syria at all.
On February 11 2012 13:34 AegonC wrote: The dad had every right to be mad but I think he needs to consider the impact of social networking sites like facebook on modern parent-child relations. This girl is going to be MORTIFIED - 3 million people have already seen it, its probably going to be in the national news and the views are only going to go up. I think the dad should have made a facebook post regarding the incident. This is going to ravage their future relationships.
Yep. She'll forever be the girl with the dad that shot her laptop.
not for long, because anyone who feels world famous as "punished by parents" probably needs to be on suicide watch asap. Seriously and especially for a teenager..
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
Legally, minors are "owned" by their parents.
Nothing "scary" about it.
No they are NOT. They are wards, responsible for the childs behavior, but they do NOT own them.
As to your second point about taking back gifts, thats wholly untrue. A person who gives a gift is transferring ownership, which means taking it back without the expressed permission of the new owner is theft. I suppose Im being trolled.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
On February 11 2012 13:09 Candadar wrote: Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
Well either he gave it to her as a gift, wich would result in a change of ownerchip. Or he is an even bigger idiot destroying his own laptop as an result of her misbehavior.
That's not quite how the father/child relationship works. The parent has the right to take shit away, especially if they bought it. If they bought it, they can also destroy it. Also, that was rather funny though. "You'll have to pay me back for these bullets."
Yep i get what you say but consider it was a chrismas or birthday gift... In that case its actually changing the owner after that. Still you can take it away but its still the property of them in a way...
In my opinion its wrong to use material stuff to parent a child anyway.
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
Man you really get scary to me. I cant say how much i disagree here.
I love ironic punishment. It's the best method of punishment. This girl went a little too far, lying about "how horrible her life was" and disrespecting her parents in front of, well, every fucking person she knows on facebook, which should be over a hundred or more if she had that account for any period of time. So he got rid of her laptop, which he bought, upgraded and such, in a creative and hilarious fashion. Keep in mind this is, for all intensive puposes, what would have happened in a "normal" household. The laptop would have been taken away and the child would have gotten a stern talking to. He just decided to get creative to drive the lesson home. He's also obviously had to deal with her a lot before now, as he said himself. Completely justified, in my opinion.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
On February 11 2012 13:09 Candadar wrote: Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
Well either he gave it to her as a gift, wich would result in a change of ownerchip. Or he is an even bigger idiot destroying his own laptop as an result of her misbehavior.
That's not quite how the father/child relationship works. The parent has the right to take shit away, especially if they bought it. If they bought it, they can also destroy it. Also, that was rather funny though. "You'll have to pay me back for these bullets."
Yep i get what you say but consider it was a chrismas or birthday gift... In that case its actually changing the owner after that. Still you can take it away but its still the property of them in a way...
In my opinion its wrong to use material stuff to parent a child anyway.
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
Man you really get scary to me. I cant say how much i disagree here.
...Because I say minors are not equal to their parents and should not be treated as such in our social strata?
On February 11 2012 13:47 Spieltor wrote: I suppose Im being trolled.
The second someone deems it necessary to say the equivalent of "lol troll" in an intellectual argument is the second I stop caring about anything they have to say on the matter. =/
On February 11 2012 13:53 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I love ironic punishment. It's the best method of punishment. This girl went a little too far, lying about "how horrible her life was" and disrespecting her parents in front of, well, every fucking person she knows on facebook, which should be over a hundred or more if she had that account for any period of time. So he got rid of her laptop in a creative and hilarious fashion. Keep in mind this is, for all intensive puposes, what would have happened in a "normal" household. The laptop would have been taken away and the child would have gotten a stern talking to. He just decided to get creative to drive the lesson home. He's also obviously had to deal with her a lot before now, as he said himself. Completely justified, in my opinion.
anach, provide proof that everything she said was untrue, and that everything he said was accurate representation of the facts. this just in: People lie. politicians do it, especially if maligned, (read the india thread where a politician tries to lie about what he was watchign on his phone to look better). he has all the reason in the world to call his daughter a liar when she levels such accusations at him publicly, shaming him.
My point is, we have no proof either party is telling the truth. People lie for social gains, or to prevent social loss. He has reason to lie, and she doesn't.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
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Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote: [quote]
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
[quote]
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
On February 11 2012 13:09 Candadar wrote: Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
Well either he gave it to her as a gift, wich would result in a change of ownerchip. Or he is an even bigger idiot destroying his own laptop as an result of her misbehavior.
That's not quite how the father/child relationship works. The parent has the right to take shit away, especially if they bought it. If they bought it, they can also destroy it. Also, that was rather funny though. "You'll have to pay me back for these bullets."
Yep i get what you say but consider it was a chrismas or birthday gift... In that case its actually changing the owner after that. Still you can take it away but its still the property of them in a way...
In my opinion its wrong to use material stuff to parent a child anyway.
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
Man you really get scary to me. I cant say how much i disagree here.
...Because I say minors are not equal to their parents and should not be treated as such in our social strata?
On February 11 2012 13:47 Spieltor wrote: I suppose Im being trolled.
The second someone deems it necessary to say the equivalent of "lol troll" in an intellectual argument is the second I stop caring about anything they have to say on the matter. =/
yep, Im glad it'll end here then, because you're explicitly stating people have OWNERship over children as if theyre furniture, which is patently untrue .
Props to him. Girl seemed pretty spoiled compared to a lot of people I know. And was she REALLY dumb enough to repeat something like this after getting in trouble for it once?
Lmao, complaining about cleaning, gardening and stuff.
Personally, I can't fathom bitching like that about my parents. I did dishes, laundry, gardening and wash the bathrooms when I was at home. They were good skills and habits I developed for college, so I guess thanks mom, hehe. I got home at like 5 or 6 every evening after doing extra-curricular stuff. I cooked some days as well, and always wash the dinner dishes by hand. I stay up till around 1 or 2AM every day to do homework, though I do procrastinate. I wake up at like 5 or 6.
We've had our arguments, but family business stays family business. No need to shit on the people who raised, fed, clothed you to the public and beg for sympathy at the same time. Geez, that's the minimum respect you owe parents in my opinion.
woah. this is pretty troubling. that poor girl. destroying things, with a gun no less, is fairly crazy, but publicly shaming your daughter is not going to be good for her. this was not discipline, this was cruelty. i am loathe to judge a situation exclusively on a single youtube video, but this does not paint a good picture of parenting.
"Do this shit again and I will put a bullet through your laptop"
She does it again. He puts a bullet through her laptop.
She makes a huge public deal about her chores.
He makes a huge public deal about her being grounded.
No physical abuse, yet a lesson she will never forget.
I like this. And it is hilarious how hard he is trying not to rage in the video.
Edit: Just reading through some comments, oh god.
On February 11 2012 13:39 Carapas wrote: LOL, it seems that both of them don't get it at all. I mean the girl seems to be so fucking lazy. But, I think the dad's reaction is the worst you could do... I mean at some point teenagers will always question authorities and that's standard, you don't need to go shoot at a fucking laptop to prove your ''adult point of view''. We could compare the situation to the Syria situation, where the dictator feels he losing the control of his population and then proceeds to kill everybody, definitely not the best way to maintain control in an healthy climate. At least, some teenager girls will be taught a lesson about facebook with this video (at least I hope).
Are you serious? This is nothing like a dictator killing people. First of all, dictators have illegitimate power, where as parents have legitimate power, it is their child after all. Oh, and nobody is dying.
Sorry to get a little off topic, but guys (and this happens in all controversial discussions), metaphors are not perfect substitutes. Using a metaphor is a great way to help people understand, or see things from a different point of view, but when you use logic inside the metaphor, then apply the same logic in the same way to the real situation, you lose all validity of the logic.
This wouldn't be the worst thing in the forum if it weren't for the compounding effects of arguments. People see the broken as shit comparison and misapplied logic, and that becomes the point of discussion. Either about the logic applied within the metaphor and its logical implications, and the accompanying moral/political bull shit, and disagreements about the actual metaphor as a representation of the actual topic.
So stop it. Stop with the crazy ass metaphors. The relationship between a parent and a child compared to a dictator and those he rules goes no further than one group has some power over the other. And therefore, reasoning in the comparison should go no deeper. That is to say, don't fucking do it.
One day I will get around to writing a blog about just how topics are derailed and discussions ruined in web forums (ironically, something that this very post is doing... Sorry ). Maybe for my 200th or 250th post.
Bravo to this guy, this was so well deserved. From what was described by the father, this whiny girl really needed a boot up her ass.. This is the way to do it.
On February 11 2012 13:53 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I love ironic punishment. It's the best method of punishment. This girl went a little too far, lying about "how horrible her life was" and disrespecting her parents in front of, well, every fucking person she knows on facebook, which should be over a hundred or more if she had that account for any period of time. So he got rid of her laptop in a creative and hilarious fashion. Keep in mind this is, for all intensive puposes, what would have happened in a "normal" household. The laptop would have been taken away and the child would have gotten a stern talking to. He just decided to get creative to drive the lesson home. He's also obviously had to deal with her a lot before now, as he said himself. Completely justified, in my opinion.
anach, provide proof that everything she said was untrue, and that everything he said was accurate representation of the facts. this just in: People lie. politicians do it, especially if maligned, (read the india thread where a politician tries to lie about what he was watchign on his phone to look better). he has all the reason in the world to call his daughter a liar when she levels such accusations at him publicly, shaming him.
My point is, we have no proof either party is telling the truth. People lie for social gains, or to prevent social loss. He has reason to lie, and she doesn't.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote: [quote]
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
On February 11 2012 13:09 Candadar wrote: Pretty sure it was the Father's property, considering he bought it.
Well either he gave it to her as a gift, wich would result in a change of ownerchip. Or he is an even bigger idiot destroying his own laptop as an result of her misbehavior.
That's not quite how the father/child relationship works. The parent has the right to take shit away, especially if they bought it. If they bought it, they can also destroy it. Also, that was rather funny though. "You'll have to pay me back for these bullets."
Yep i get what you say but consider it was a chrismas or birthday gift... In that case its actually changing the owner after that. Still you can take it away but its still the property of them in a way...
In my opinion its wrong to use material stuff to parent a child anyway.
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
Man you really get scary to me. I cant say how much i disagree here.
...Because I say minors are not equal to their parents and should not be treated as such in our social strata?
On February 11 2012 13:47 Spieltor wrote: I suppose Im being trolled.
The second someone deems it necessary to say the equivalent of "lol troll" in an intellectual argument is the second I stop caring about anything they have to say on the matter. =/
yep, Im glad it'll end here then, because you're explicitly stating people have OWNERship over children as if theyre furniture, which is patently untrue .
Spieltor, provide proof everything she said was true. She has a reason to lie as well, you know. Also, at least in this country, parents do own their children legally. It's not like furniture or anything, so he doesn't have the right to abuse her and he can have his "ownership" (that word just doesn't fit the context here) revoked if he is bad at it. Legally, children are owned by parents. Legally, children have very little rights. Socially, it isn't viewed as such and never abused in a horrible manner due to the checks in place, but legally, parents own children and all their property.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Ok, so you want to throw away the last 2000 years of human history on this planet? Slavery is owning people as property. And the girl is a minor, thus her rights have not been granted yet; still under care by parents. That is why we have to declare matriculation for a purpose.
On February 11 2012 13:53 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I love ironic punishment. It's the best method of punishment. This girl went a little too far, lying about "how horrible her life was" and disrespecting her parents in front of, well, every fucking person she knows on facebook, which should be over a hundred or more if she had that account for any period of time. So he got rid of her laptop in a creative and hilarious fashion. Keep in mind this is, for all intensive puposes, what would have happened in a "normal" household. The laptop would have been taken away and the child would have gotten a stern talking to. He just decided to get creative to drive the lesson home. He's also obviously had to deal with her a lot before now, as he said himself. Completely justified, in my opinion.
anach, provide proof that everything she said was untrue, and that everything he said was accurate representation of the facts. this just in: People lie. politicians do it, especially if maligned, (read the india thread where a politician tries to lie about what he was watchign on his phone to look better). he has all the reason in the world to call his daughter a liar when she levels such accusations at him publicly, shaming him.
My point is, we have no proof either party is telling the truth. People lie for social gains, or to prevent social loss. He has reason to lie, and she doesn't.
On February 11 2012 13:54 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:52 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:46 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:07 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:06 Torte de Lini wrote: [quote]
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote: [quote]
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
On February 11 2012 13:08 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Its totally stupid to destroy something of value to teach the child a lesson... They failed teaching her daughter a lesson by conversations and so they moved on to destroy her property, this doesnt seem logical to me... She had already some pretty strict punishment wich might be overreacted in the first place, so she thought she needs to get revenge, now the father thinks he has to step it up once more... In the end this helps absolutely no one. The father might get her a new laptop at some point and some of earth recources get wasted once again bravo bravo...
destroy her property
[quote]
Well either he gave it to her as a gift, wich would result in a change of ownerchip. Or he is an even bigger idiot destroying his own laptop as an result of her misbehavior.
That's not quite how the father/child relationship works. The parent has the right to take shit away, especially if they bought it. If they bought it, they can also destroy it. Also, that was rather funny though. "You'll have to pay me back for these bullets."
Yep i get what you say but consider it was a chrismas or birthday gift... In that case its actually changing the owner after that. Still you can take it away but its still the property of them in a way...
In my opinion its wrong to use material stuff to parent a child anyway.
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
Man you really get scary to me. I cant say how much i disagree here.
...Because I say minors are not equal to their parents and should not be treated as such in our social strata?
On February 11 2012 13:47 Spieltor wrote: I suppose Im being trolled.
The second someone deems it necessary to say the equivalent of "lol troll" in an intellectual argument is the second I stop caring about anything they have to say on the matter. =/
yep, Im glad it'll end here then, because you're explicitly stating people have OWNERship over children as if theyre furniture, which is patently untrue .
Spieltor, provide proof everything she said was true. She has a reason to lie as well, you know. Also, at least in this country, parents do own their children legally. It's not like furniture or anything, so he doesn't have the right to abuse her and he can have his "ownership" (that word just doesn't fit the context here) revoked if he is bad at it. Legally, children are owned by parents. Legally, children have very little rights. Socially, it isn't viewed as such and never abused in a horrible manner due to the checks in place, but legally, parents own children and all their property.
that is not true. they have authority over them, but do not own them. also, they cannot take something that is the property of the children. There was this little thing called children's rights, which became a big deal in the early 1900's due to factory conditions. I suggest you reasearch this.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Ok, so you want to throw away the last 2000 years of human history on this planet? Slavery is owning people as property. And the girl is a minor, thus her rights have not been granted yet; still under care by parents. That is why we have to declare matriculation for a purpose.
that doesn't make her property. The fact that slaves existed in history has nothing to do with children or ownership of children.
rights not granted as a full adult doesn't mean NO RIGHTS. How does slavery have anything to do at all with children? Thats like saying 1+1= banana. I'm done with this because im absolutely certain people cannot seriously use "total logic disconnects" and not be trolling.
On February 11 2012 14:05 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:57 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:53 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I love ironic punishment. It's the best method of punishment. This girl went a little too far, lying about "how horrible her life was" and disrespecting her parents in front of, well, every fucking person she knows on facebook, which should be over a hundred or more if she had that account for any period of time. So he got rid of her laptop in a creative and hilarious fashion. Keep in mind this is, for all intensive puposes, what would have happened in a "normal" household. The laptop would have been taken away and the child would have gotten a stern talking to. He just decided to get creative to drive the lesson home. He's also obviously had to deal with her a lot before now, as he said himself. Completely justified, in my opinion.
anach, provide proof that everything she said was untrue, and that everything he said was accurate representation of the facts. this just in: People lie. politicians do it, especially if maligned, (read the india thread where a politician tries to lie about what he was watchign on his phone to look better). he has all the reason in the world to call his daughter a liar when she levels such accusations at him publicly, shaming him.
My point is, we have no proof either party is telling the truth. People lie for social gains, or to prevent social loss. He has reason to lie, and she doesn't.
On February 11 2012 13:54 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:52 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:46 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:07 Candadar wrote: [quote]
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
[quote]
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote: [quote] I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
Legally, minors are "owned" by their parents.
Nothing "scary" about it.
On February 11 2012 13:45 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:33 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:31 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:25 Candadar wrote: [quote]
That's not quite how the father/child relationship works. The parent has the right to take shit away, especially if they bought it. If they bought it, they can also destroy it. Also, that was rather funny though. "You'll have to pay me back for these bullets."
Yep i get what you say but consider it was a chrismas or birthday gift... In that case its actually changing the owner after that. Still you can take it away but its still the property of them in a way...
In my opinion its wrong to use material stuff to parent a child anyway.
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
Man you really get scary to me. I cant say how much i disagree here.
...Because I say minors are not equal to their parents and should not be treated as such in our social strata?
On February 11 2012 13:47 Spieltor wrote: I suppose Im being trolled.
The second someone deems it necessary to say the equivalent of "lol troll" in an intellectual argument is the second I stop caring about anything they have to say on the matter. =/
yep, Im glad it'll end here then, because you're explicitly stating people have OWNERship over children as if theyre furniture, which is patently untrue .
Spieltor, provide proof everything she said was true. She has a reason to lie as well, you know. Also, at least in this country, parents do own their children legally. It's not like furniture or anything, so he doesn't have the right to abuse her and he can have his "ownership" (that word just doesn't fit the context here) revoked if he is bad at it. Legally, children are owned by parents. Legally, children have very little rights. Socially, it isn't viewed as such and never abused in a horrible manner due to the checks in place, but legally, parents own children and all their property.
that is not true. they have authority over them, but do not own them. also, they cannot take something that is the property of the children. There was this little thing called children's rights, which became a big deal in the early 1900's due to factory conditions. I suggest you reasearch this.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Ok, so you want to throw away the last 2000 years of human history on this planet? Slavery is owning people as property. And the girl is a minor, thus her rights have not been granted yet; still under care by parents. That is why we have to declare matriculation for a purpose.
that doesn't make her property. The fact that slaves existed in history has nothing to do with children or ownership of children.
rights not granted as a full adult doesn't mean NO RIGHTS. How does slavery have anything to do at all with children? Thats like saying 1+1= banana.
there has been child slaves within the last 2000 years. You are still going to deny that?
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Hey, im that guy you talked about the property.
children are like property of parents, but because of this the law protects them.
for example mandatory school you must feed you children child abuse is illegal. you cannot kill them
however, for purposes like this, they can be considered your property. and if your property has a laptop you put their, you can shoot it with a gun.
also, it isnt stealing if the dad takes it. ofcourse you cant steal. idealism<reality of the law. the school can punish students because the law says they act as parents during the school day. therefore, the school can do something like go on her facebook and take away her laptop too, albeit less extreme.
Slavery is a great example of a shitty comparison to the OP, as well as demonstrating how a mis-comparison raises two new, useless, unrelated discussions.
On February 11 2012 14:05 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:57 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:53 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I love ironic punishment. It's the best method of punishment. This girl went a little too far, lying about "how horrible her life was" and disrespecting her parents in front of, well, every fucking person she knows on facebook, which should be over a hundred or more if she had that account for any period of time. So he got rid of her laptop in a creative and hilarious fashion. Keep in mind this is, for all intensive puposes, what would have happened in a "normal" household. The laptop would have been taken away and the child would have gotten a stern talking to. He just decided to get creative to drive the lesson home. He's also obviously had to deal with her a lot before now, as he said himself. Completely justified, in my opinion.
anach, provide proof that everything she said was untrue, and that everything he said was accurate representation of the facts. this just in: People lie. politicians do it, especially if maligned, (read the india thread where a politician tries to lie about what he was watchign on his phone to look better). he has all the reason in the world to call his daughter a liar when she levels such accusations at him publicly, shaming him.
My point is, we have no proof either party is telling the truth. People lie for social gains, or to prevent social loss. He has reason to lie, and she doesn't.
On February 11 2012 13:54 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:52 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:46 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote: [quote]
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
[quote] Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
Legally, minors are "owned" by their parents.
Nothing "scary" about it.
On February 11 2012 13:45 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:33 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:31 Chilling5pr33 wrote: [quote]
Yep i get what you say but consider it was a chrismas or birthday gift... In that case its actually changing the owner after that. Still you can take it away but its still the property of them in a way...
In my opinion its wrong to use material stuff to parent a child anyway.
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
Man you really get scary to me. I cant say how much i disagree here.
...Because I say minors are not equal to their parents and should not be treated as such in our social strata?
On February 11 2012 13:47 Spieltor wrote: I suppose Im being trolled.
The second someone deems it necessary to say the equivalent of "lol troll" in an intellectual argument is the second I stop caring about anything they have to say on the matter. =/
yep, Im glad it'll end here then, because you're explicitly stating people have OWNERship over children as if theyre furniture, which is patently untrue .
Spieltor, provide proof everything she said was true. She has a reason to lie as well, you know. Also, at least in this country, parents do own their children legally. It's not like furniture or anything, so he doesn't have the right to abuse her and he can have his "ownership" (that word just doesn't fit the context here) revoked if he is bad at it. Legally, children are owned by parents. Legally, children have very little rights. Socially, it isn't viewed as such and never abused in a horrible manner due to the checks in place, but legally, parents own children and all their property.
that is not true. they have authority over them, but do not own them. also, they cannot take something that is the property of the children. There was this little thing called children's rights, which became a big deal in the early 1900's due to factory conditions. I suggest you reasearch this.
On February 11 2012 14:05 amazingxkcd wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:07 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:06 Torte de Lini wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote: [quote]
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
[quote]
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote: [quote]
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
[quote]
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Ok, so you want to throw away the last 2000 years of human history on this planet? Slavery is owning people as property. And the girl is a minor, thus her rights have not been granted yet; still under care by parents. That is why we have to declare matriculation for a purpose.
that doesn't make her property. The fact that slaves existed in history has nothing to do with children or ownership of children.
rights not granted as a full adult doesn't mean NO RIGHTS. How does slavery have anything to do at all with children? Thats like saying 1+1= banana.
there has been child slaves within the last 2000 years. You are still going to deny that?
I didn't deny history anywhere. Slavery is illegal where this person lives. Therefore his child cannot be his "slave", therefore he does not own his child as property. You brought up child slavery to muddy the waters of this debate for no reason except to annoy people.
But ask me one more time if I'll deny it and sure I'll start denying child slavery has existed in history.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Hey, im that guy you talked about the property.
children are like property of parents, but because of this the law protects them.
for example mandatory school you must feed you children child abuse is illegal. you cannot kill them
however, for purposes like this, they can be considered your property. and if your property has a laptop you put their, you can shoot it with a gun.
also, it isnt stealing if the dad takes it. ofcourse you cant steal. idealism<reality of the law. the school can punish students because the law says they act as parents during the school day. therefore, the school can do something like go on her facebook and take away her laptop too, albeit less extreme.
the law doesnt protect them because they are property. the law protects them because they are PEOPLE, and PEOPLE cannot be owned, under law. Just because they don't have full adult rights, and just because their parents have authority does not mean their parents own their children and their children's possessions.
On February 11 2012 14:17 Vilonis wrote: As another example for this post...
Slavery is a great example of a shitty comparison to the OP, as well as demonstrating how a mis-comparison raises two new, useless, unrelated discussions.
its my bad, i just stated the daughter is the fathers property which is true to an extent, and then slavery discussion happened. its my bad. atleast now we dont have to listen to people saying they think the dad is a psycho, or id have to post more.
edit: its my bad for saying its my bad so much and i really just want to say its my bad for that, too. :D
On February 11 2012 14:05 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:57 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:53 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I love ironic punishment. It's the best method of punishment. This girl went a little too far, lying about "how horrible her life was" and disrespecting her parents in front of, well, every fucking person she knows on facebook, which should be over a hundred or more if she had that account for any period of time. So he got rid of her laptop in a creative and hilarious fashion. Keep in mind this is, for all intensive puposes, what would have happened in a "normal" household. The laptop would have been taken away and the child would have gotten a stern talking to. He just decided to get creative to drive the lesson home. He's also obviously had to deal with her a lot before now, as he said himself. Completely justified, in my opinion.
anach, provide proof that everything she said was untrue, and that everything he said was accurate representation of the facts. this just in: People lie. politicians do it, especially if maligned, (read the india thread where a politician tries to lie about what he was watchign on his phone to look better). he has all the reason in the world to call his daughter a liar when she levels such accusations at him publicly, shaming him.
My point is, we have no proof either party is telling the truth. People lie for social gains, or to prevent social loss. He has reason to lie, and she doesn't.
On February 11 2012 13:54 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:52 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:46 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote: [quote]
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
Legally, minors are "owned" by their parents.
Nothing "scary" about it.
On February 11 2012 13:45 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:33 Candadar wrote: [quote]
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
Man you really get scary to me. I cant say how much i disagree here.
...Because I say minors are not equal to their parents and should not be treated as such in our social strata?
On February 11 2012 13:47 Spieltor wrote: I suppose Im being trolled.
The second someone deems it necessary to say the equivalent of "lol troll" in an intellectual argument is the second I stop caring about anything they have to say on the matter. =/
yep, Im glad it'll end here then, because you're explicitly stating people have OWNERship over children as if theyre furniture, which is patently untrue .
Spieltor, provide proof everything she said was true. She has a reason to lie as well, you know. Also, at least in this country, parents do own their children legally. It's not like furniture or anything, so he doesn't have the right to abuse her and he can have his "ownership" (that word just doesn't fit the context here) revoked if he is bad at it. Legally, children are owned by parents. Legally, children have very little rights. Socially, it isn't viewed as such and never abused in a horrible manner due to the checks in place, but legally, parents own children and all their property.
that is not true. they have authority over them, but do not own them. also, they cannot take something that is the property of the children. There was this little thing called children's rights, which became a big deal in the early 1900's due to factory conditions. I suggest you reasearch this.
On February 11 2012 14:05 amazingxkcd wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:07 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:06 Torte de Lini wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote: [quote]
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote: [quote]
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Ok, so you want to throw away the last 2000 years of human history on this planet? Slavery is owning people as property. And the girl is a minor, thus her rights have not been granted yet; still under care by parents. That is why we have to declare matriculation for a purpose.
that doesn't make her property. The fact that slaves existed in history has nothing to do with children or ownership of children.
rights not granted as a full adult doesn't mean NO RIGHTS. How does slavery have anything to do at all with children? Thats like saying 1+1= banana.
there has been child slaves within the last 2000 years. You are still going to deny that?
I didn't deny history anywhere. Slavery is illegal where this person lives. Therefore his child cannot be his "slave", therefore he does not own his child as property. You brought up child slavery to muddy the waters of this debate for no reason except to annoy people.
But ask me one more time if I'll deny it and sure I'll start denying child slavery has existed in history.
Ok, are you denying the concept that kids have been used and sold into slavery or other related professions, with the idea that a person under 18 constitutes as a kid? If so, then you should replicate what this dad did and recollect yourself.
On February 11 2012 14:05 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:57 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:53 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I love ironic punishment. It's the best method of punishment. This girl went a little too far, lying about "how horrible her life was" and disrespecting her parents in front of, well, every fucking person she knows on facebook, which should be over a hundred or more if she had that account for any period of time. So he got rid of her laptop in a creative and hilarious fashion. Keep in mind this is, for all intensive puposes, what would have happened in a "normal" household. The laptop would have been taken away and the child would have gotten a stern talking to. He just decided to get creative to drive the lesson home. He's also obviously had to deal with her a lot before now, as he said himself. Completely justified, in my opinion.
anach, provide proof that everything she said was untrue, and that everything he said was accurate representation of the facts. this just in: People lie. politicians do it, especially if maligned, (read the india thread where a politician tries to lie about what he was watchign on his phone to look better). he has all the reason in the world to call his daughter a liar when she levels such accusations at him publicly, shaming him.
My point is, we have no proof either party is telling the truth. People lie for social gains, or to prevent social loss. He has reason to lie, and she doesn't.
On February 11 2012 13:54 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:52 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:46 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote: [quote]
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
Legally, minors are "owned" by their parents.
Nothing "scary" about it.
On February 11 2012 13:45 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:33 Candadar wrote: [quote]
I would love to hear the actual reasoning behind how what a parent buys for a child is now the childs property in a way equal to the child purchasing it themselves.
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
Man you really get scary to me. I cant say how much i disagree here.
...Because I say minors are not equal to their parents and should not be treated as such in our social strata?
On February 11 2012 13:47 Spieltor wrote: I suppose Im being trolled.
The second someone deems it necessary to say the equivalent of "lol troll" in an intellectual argument is the second I stop caring about anything they have to say on the matter. =/
yep, Im glad it'll end here then, because you're explicitly stating people have OWNERship over children as if theyre furniture, which is patently untrue .
Spieltor, provide proof everything she said was true. She has a reason to lie as well, you know. Also, at least in this country, parents do own their children legally. It's not like furniture or anything, so he doesn't have the right to abuse her and he can have his "ownership" (that word just doesn't fit the context here) revoked if he is bad at it. Legally, children are owned by parents. Legally, children have very little rights. Socially, it isn't viewed as such and never abused in a horrible manner due to the checks in place, but legally, parents own children and all their property.
that is not true. they have authority over them, but do not own them. also, they cannot take something that is the property of the children. There was this little thing called children's rights, which became a big deal in the early 1900's due to factory conditions. I suggest you reasearch this.
On February 11 2012 14:05 amazingxkcd wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:07 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:06 Torte de Lini wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote: [quote]
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote: [quote]
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Ok, so you want to throw away the last 2000 years of human history on this planet? Slavery is owning people as property. And the girl is a minor, thus her rights have not been granted yet; still under care by parents. That is why we have to declare matriculation for a purpose.
that doesn't make her property. The fact that slaves existed in history has nothing to do with children or ownership of children.
rights not granted as a full adult doesn't mean NO RIGHTS. How does slavery have anything to do at all with children? Thats like saying 1+1= banana.
there has been child slaves within the last 2000 years. You are still going to deny that?
I didn't deny history anywhere. Slavery is illegal where this person lives. Therefore his child cannot be his "slave", therefore he does not own his child as property. You brought up child slavery to muddy the waters of this debate for no reason except to annoy people.
But ask me one more time if I'll deny it and sure I'll start denying child slavery has existed in history.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Hey, im that guy you talked about the property.
children are like property of parents, but because of this the law protects them.
for example mandatory school you must feed you children child abuse is illegal. you cannot kill them
however, for purposes like this, they can be considered your property. and if your property has a laptop you put their, you can shoot it with a gun.
also, it isnt stealing if the dad takes it. ofcourse you cant steal. idealism<reality of the law. the school can punish students because the law says they act as parents during the school day. therefore, the school can do something like go on her facebook and take away her laptop too, albeit less extreme.
the law doesnt protect them because they are property. the law protects them because they are PEOPLE, and PEOPLE cannot be owned, under law. Just because they don't have full adult rights, and just because their parents have authority does not mean their parents own their children and their children's possessions.
It's like you're intentionally looking at this from a skewed perspective.
Yes, the children are people. Yes, they are protected because they are people. However, they are also basically their parents property legally, but there are many laws that protect them from being abused in any shape or form. Nonetheless, they are still their parents until they turn 18 and, furthermore, anything they own is their parents as well.
On February 11 2012 14:17 Vilonis wrote: As another example for this post...
Slavery is a great example of a shitty comparison to the OP, as well as demonstrating how a mis-comparison raises two new, useless, unrelated discussions.
its my bad, i just stated the daughter is the fathers property which is true to an extent, and then slavery discussion happened. its my bad. atleast now we dont have to listen to people saying they think the dad is a psycho, or id have to post more.
edit: its my bad for saying its my bad so much and i really just want to say its my bad for that, too. :D
he is a psycho, look at the over dramatization of the entire event that he made public. Look at his attention seeking behavior by publicizing his "punishment". Drama queen or attention whore fits here, and these are lay person understandings for sociopathic tendencies.
On February 11 2012 14:05 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:57 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:53 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I love ironic punishment. It's the best method of punishment. This girl went a little too far, lying about "how horrible her life was" and disrespecting her parents in front of, well, every fucking person she knows on facebook, which should be over a hundred or more if she had that account for any period of time. So he got rid of her laptop in a creative and hilarious fashion. Keep in mind this is, for all intensive puposes, what would have happened in a "normal" household. The laptop would have been taken away and the child would have gotten a stern talking to. He just decided to get creative to drive the lesson home. He's also obviously had to deal with her a lot before now, as he said himself. Completely justified, in my opinion.
anach, provide proof that everything she said was untrue, and that everything he said was accurate representation of the facts. this just in: People lie. politicians do it, especially if maligned, (read the india thread where a politician tries to lie about what he was watchign on his phone to look better). he has all the reason in the world to call his daughter a liar when she levels such accusations at him publicly, shaming him.
My point is, we have no proof either party is telling the truth. People lie for social gains, or to prevent social loss. He has reason to lie, and she doesn't.
On February 11 2012 13:54 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:52 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:46 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote: [quote]
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
Legally, minors are "owned" by their parents.
Nothing "scary" about it.
On February 11 2012 13:45 Chilling5pr33 wrote: [quote]
Dont you split hairs here? I mean isnt a gift a gift no matter how old the person is you give it to. I would not give my kids a present and say to them: "here is a thing you can use till i change my mind or you loose the right to use it". I would tell them "its yours now, you can do whatever you want with it." I actually dont get what you care so much about this. Just read the definition of gift.
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
Man you really get scary to me. I cant say how much i disagree here.
...Because I say minors are not equal to their parents and should not be treated as such in our social strata?
On February 11 2012 13:47 Spieltor wrote: I suppose Im being trolled.
The second someone deems it necessary to say the equivalent of "lol troll" in an intellectual argument is the second I stop caring about anything they have to say on the matter. =/
yep, Im glad it'll end here then, because you're explicitly stating people have OWNERship over children as if theyre furniture, which is patently untrue .
Spieltor, provide proof everything she said was true. She has a reason to lie as well, you know. Also, at least in this country, parents do own their children legally. It's not like furniture or anything, so he doesn't have the right to abuse her and he can have his "ownership" (that word just doesn't fit the context here) revoked if he is bad at it. Legally, children are owned by parents. Legally, children have very little rights. Socially, it isn't viewed as such and never abused in a horrible manner due to the checks in place, but legally, parents own children and all their property.
that is not true. they have authority over them, but do not own them. also, they cannot take something that is the property of the children. There was this little thing called children's rights, which became a big deal in the early 1900's due to factory conditions. I suggest you reasearch this.
On February 11 2012 14:05 amazingxkcd wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:07 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:06 Torte de Lini wrote: [quote]
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote: [quote]
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
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On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Ok, so you want to throw away the last 2000 years of human history on this planet? Slavery is owning people as property. And the girl is a minor, thus her rights have not been granted yet; still under care by parents. That is why we have to declare matriculation for a purpose.
that doesn't make her property. The fact that slaves existed in history has nothing to do with children or ownership of children.
rights not granted as a full adult doesn't mean NO RIGHTS. How does slavery have anything to do at all with children? Thats like saying 1+1= banana.
there has been child slaves within the last 2000 years. You are still going to deny that?
I didn't deny history anywhere. Slavery is illegal where this person lives. Therefore his child cannot be his "slave", therefore he does not own his child as property. You brought up child slavery to muddy the waters of this debate for no reason except to annoy people.
But ask me one more time if I'll deny it and sure I'll start denying child slavery has existed in history.
On February 11 2012 14:15 Bippzy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:07 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:06 Torte de Lini wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote: [quote]
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
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Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote: [quote]
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
[quote]
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
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On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Hey, im that guy you talked about the property.
children are like property of parents, but because of this the law protects them.
for example mandatory school you must feed you children child abuse is illegal. you cannot kill them
however, for purposes like this, they can be considered your property. and if your property has a laptop you put their, you can shoot it with a gun.
also, it isnt stealing if the dad takes it. ofcourse you cant steal. idealism<reality of the law. the school can punish students because the law says they act as parents during the school day. therefore, the school can do something like go on her facebook and take away her laptop too, albeit less extreme.
the law doesnt protect them because they are property. the law protects them because they are PEOPLE, and PEOPLE cannot be owned, under law. Just because they don't have full adult rights, and just because their parents have authority does not mean their parents own their children and their children's possessions.
It's like you're intentionally looking at this from a skewed perspective.
Yes, the children are people. Yes, they are protected because they are people. However, they are also basically their parents property legally, but there are many laws that protect them from being abused in any shape or form. Nonetheless, they are still their parents until they turn 18 and, furthermore, anything they own is their parents as well.
I've tried every method I can use to go through a logical step to show you that you're wrong, and the law itself backs my argument. I failed, oh well, I'll move on understanding that I couldn't persuade you with reason. You should know you're wrong when you say something "basically" is X.
So many stereotypes its ridic. I mean, a cowboy with a cigarrate talking funny and shooting at a laptop The only thing that would have made the video better is that he blew up the laptop with a shotgun
I don't think its an example of great parenting, but nothing abusive as some want it look like. Hopefully they will both laught at this in some years.
On February 11 2012 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Not gonna watch video, dont feel like getting annoyed at how retarded this person obviously is.
Teenagers have whined about their parents ever since the word 'teenager' was invented, and whining on facebook is not different from whining to friends --
I'm sorry to say this, but I am disappointed to say that if you did not even bother watching the video, how can you even think of commenting on what the father said. If you don't bother watching the video, why would you bother posting your opinion on it.
While the father might have overreacted, I mean shooting the laptop is excessive, most of the points he has addressed in the video make sense (in my perspective and from my experience) and deserve to be listened to before making a judgement on the whole thing.
The hypocrisy being displayed here by presumably female -hating teenagers who if their demographic is any indication, have a good likelihood of being pretty lazy/spoiled themselves... is quite upsetting to say the least. I think they need a good boot up their ass for so caustically applauding this asshole guy who obviously motivated more by a perverted need for self-justification than real concern for his kid.
On February 11 2012 14:17 Vilonis wrote: As another example for this post...
Slavery is a great example of a shitty comparison to the OP, as well as demonstrating how a mis-comparison raises two new, useless, unrelated discussions.
its my bad, i just stated the daughter is the fathers property which is true to an extent, and then slavery discussion happened. its my bad. atleast now we dont have to listen to people saying they think the dad is a psycho, or id have to post more.
edit: its my bad for saying its my bad so much and i really just want to say its my bad for that, too. :D
he is a psycho, look at the over dramatization of the entire event that he made public. Look at his attention seeking behavior by publicizing his "punishment". Drama queen or attention whore fits here, and these are lay person understandings for sociopathic tendencies.
On February 11 2012 14:05 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:57 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:53 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I love ironic punishment. It's the best method of punishment. This girl went a little too far, lying about "how horrible her life was" and disrespecting her parents in front of, well, every fucking person she knows on facebook, which should be over a hundred or more if she had that account for any period of time. So he got rid of her laptop in a creative and hilarious fashion. Keep in mind this is, for all intensive puposes, what would have happened in a "normal" household. The laptop would have been taken away and the child would have gotten a stern talking to. He just decided to get creative to drive the lesson home. He's also obviously had to deal with her a lot before now, as he said himself. Completely justified, in my opinion.
anach, provide proof that everything she said was untrue, and that everything he said was accurate representation of the facts. this just in: People lie. politicians do it, especially if maligned, (read the india thread where a politician tries to lie about what he was watchign on his phone to look better). he has all the reason in the world to call his daughter a liar when she levels such accusations at him publicly, shaming him.
My point is, we have no proof either party is telling the truth. People lie for social gains, or to prevent social loss. He has reason to lie, and she doesn't.
On February 11 2012 13:54 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:52 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:46 Candadar wrote: [quote]
Legally, minors are "owned" by their parents.
Nothing "scary" about it.
[quote]
A gift is a gift no matter how old, however, there is a difference between giving something to your child, and giving something to your buddy or whatever. If you give something to your child, something you yourself paid for, you reserve the right to take it away from them. Hell, you can legally take gifts away from friends even you gave shit to if you really wanted to go through the hoops and lose your friends over it. Rambling on now, but you get my point. You're comparing a social idea between two separate entities. Parents and their children are not, and should not be treated as equals.
Man you really get scary to me. I cant say how much i disagree here.
...Because I say minors are not equal to their parents and should not be treated as such in our social strata?
On February 11 2012 13:47 Spieltor wrote: I suppose Im being trolled.
The second someone deems it necessary to say the equivalent of "lol troll" in an intellectual argument is the second I stop caring about anything they have to say on the matter. =/
yep, Im glad it'll end here then, because you're explicitly stating people have OWNERship over children as if theyre furniture, which is patently untrue .
Spieltor, provide proof everything she said was true. She has a reason to lie as well, you know. Also, at least in this country, parents do own their children legally. It's not like furniture or anything, so he doesn't have the right to abuse her and he can have his "ownership" (that word just doesn't fit the context here) revoked if he is bad at it. Legally, children are owned by parents. Legally, children have very little rights. Socially, it isn't viewed as such and never abused in a horrible manner due to the checks in place, but legally, parents own children and all their property.
that is not true. they have authority over them, but do not own them. also, they cannot take something that is the property of the children. There was this little thing called children's rights, which became a big deal in the early 1900's due to factory conditions. I suggest you reasearch this.
On February 11 2012 14:05 amazingxkcd wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:07 Candadar wrote: [quote]
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
[quote]
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote: [quote] I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Ok, so you want to throw away the last 2000 years of human history on this planet? Slavery is owning people as property. And the girl is a minor, thus her rights have not been granted yet; still under care by parents. That is why we have to declare matriculation for a purpose.
that doesn't make her property. The fact that slaves existed in history has nothing to do with children or ownership of children.
rights not granted as a full adult doesn't mean NO RIGHTS. How does slavery have anything to do at all with children? Thats like saying 1+1= banana.
there has been child slaves within the last 2000 years. You are still going to deny that?
I didn't deny history anywhere. Slavery is illegal where this person lives. Therefore his child cannot be his "slave", therefore he does not own his child as property. You brought up child slavery to muddy the waters of this debate for no reason except to annoy people.
But ask me one more time if I'll deny it and sure I'll start denying child slavery has existed in history.
On February 11 2012 14:15 Bippzy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:42 Spieltor wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:14 Bippzy wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:07 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:06 Torte de Lini wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote: [quote]
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote: [quote]
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
edit:
On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Hey, im that guy you talked about the property.
children are like property of parents, but because of this the law protects them.
for example mandatory school you must feed you children child abuse is illegal. you cannot kill them
however, for purposes like this, they can be considered your property. and if your property has a laptop you put their, you can shoot it with a gun.
also, it isnt stealing if the dad takes it. ofcourse you cant steal. idealism<reality of the law. the school can punish students because the law says they act as parents during the school day. therefore, the school can do something like go on her facebook and take away her laptop too, albeit less extreme.
the law doesnt protect them because they are property. the law protects them because they are PEOPLE, and PEOPLE cannot be owned, under law. Just because they don't have full adult rights, and just because their parents have authority does not mean their parents own their children and their children's possessions.
It's like you're intentionally looking at this from a skewed perspective.
Yes, the children are people. Yes, they are protected because they are people. However, they are also basically their parents property legally, but there are many laws that protect them from being abused in any shape or form. Nonetheless, they are still their parents until they turn 18 and, furthermore, anything they own is their parents as well.
I've tried every method I can use to go through a logical step to show you that you're wrong, and the law itself backs my argument. I failed, oh well, I'll move on understanding that I couldn't persuade you with reason.
i didn't want to argue this, but i will. Edit: Not gonna lie I was gonna go to sleep but I got out of bed to check this thread. So I do want to argue this. on the topic of kids as property: its a useful concept. just like its useful to think of girls as raccoons when buying jewelry and how its useful to think of electron orbitals as a multipart balloon where one part must be filled full with electrons before the next part can be started. don't get too riled up over it, the parent should technically be a guardian with the ability to do the things he has done.
on the topic of psychopath. its parenting. i once called my dad fucking stupid and i was sent to my room so i would know how it was being fucking stupid. If he is discussed on a public forum by his daughter, he can discuss on a public forum back. I don't see him as some psycho, but rather a tough love no shit style parent, which is effective. claiming he is psycho is romantisizing the event. I don't even buy into the argument that she'll be mortified nor the argument that the dad doesn't respect her enough(obviously he does nearly always)
On February 11 2012 14:36 JeanLuc wrote: The hypocrisy being displayed here by presumably female -hating teenagers who if their demographic is any indication, have a good likelihood of being pretty lazy/spoiled themselves... is quite upsetting to say the least. I think they need a good boot up their ass for so caustically applauding this asshole guy who obviously motivated more by a perverted need for self-justification than real concern for his kid.
The female haters you perceive are just people who have talked to teenage females.
The perverse need for justification is just people misinterpreting real concern for his kid because it's on youtube, causing some people to miss the father's point that he can talk about private matters on the internet too. Nothing along the lines of "fuck my daughter guys ima shoot her labtop."
Life is work, childhood is dependence, and parenthood is a favour with a right to expect repayment. A child who grows up without ever learning these basic facts of life is doomed to failure, and the parent who out of mercy fails to teach them, doomed to disappointment.
I do like this video for the fact that he stood by his threat. Too often parents give idle threats that result in kids who don't think that penalties apply to them.
However, the guy shouldn't have put this on the internet. He couldn't predict how many views the video would get, but, how is his relationship with his daughter now? She's only 15, and as such will obviously make stupid selfish decisions. I'm glad that he did teach her a lesson, but hopefully it's not irreparable damage.
As a parent he needs to be the more responsible and level-headed one. Public embarrassment doesn't draw a family closer together or correct problems as much as it pushes them apart.
On February 11 2012 14:44 zobz wrote: Life is work, childhood is dependence, and parenthood is a favour with a right to expect repayment. A child who grows up without ever learning these basic facts of life is doomed to failure, and the parent who out of mercy fails to teach them, doomed to disappointment.
On February 11 2012 14:44 zobz wrote: Life is work, childhood is dependence, and parenthood is a favour with a right to expect repayment. A child who grows up without ever learning these basic facts of life is doomed to failure, and the parent who out of mercy fails to teach them, doomed to disappointment.
Rofl. Both me and my parents are fine, I assure you. Now, go back to the middle ages plz.
I don't really have an opinion about the video. I mean I'm 17, almost 18, and sometimes it's tough to deal with your parents without venting like that girl did, but she was wrong to post that on Facebook. The dad though, come on, he took it too far simply by making this video public. The punishment would have been fine or whatever if none of us knew about it but bringing it on the internet like that, I have a feeling he will regret that a lot at some point in his life. I actually bet he regrets it right now.
lol the fact that this dude pulled out a gun in the US and started firing it is gonna inevitably derail this thread into "bash the US" like so many others...
Seriously though, isn't it illegal to fire off a gun in a neighborhood like that? I guess it's a state by state thing, where does this guy live?
I agree with zobz for the most part though.... life is work. The sooner you accept that we are all born slaves the less disappointment you will experience in life. I think it's better to just not have children at all though.
I saw this earlier today, thought it was amazing, to many fucking spoiled little shits walking around, he might have been extreme with his attitude with the video and what not, but this is awesome, I fully support this.
Shooting the laptop was a bit much. I would've just sold the damn thing.
Laptop shooting aside, the guy was 100% justified. Kids now are so damn pampered and spoiled it's disgusting. When I grew up I did chores and if I didn't do 'em I got whacked. Getting paid for chores? Be happy your parents are feeding you, clothing you, and buying whatever luxuries you enjoy. Stupid kids.
I have a serious problem for disciplining a teen for feeling stressed and overwhelmed. Anyone who works with the age group know that for many people, these are very difficult years. Ranting and expressing yourself are important. I wish i could find the original facebook post by the daughter, but as it has been described, I find what she did to be perfectly fine.
On February 11 2012 12:39 -_-Quails wrote: I would not have been comfortable 15 living in a house with someone who thinks that wantonly destroying things they have given me to use for schoolwork, even if they are also used socially, is acceptable. But then I was raised by parents that respected me and respected that I had to work at things in my life, even though I didn't have to do everything they did when they were young. Respect is a two-way street and the father made it clear in that video that he does not respect his daughter.
Also, it's ridiculous for him to want her to pay him back for the bullets he just fired into her laptop or the software he just made useless by firing those bullets.
I don't know what the general situation is at that house, but I have far more sympathy for the kid than the father.
That's reciprocity you're describing. You respect your parents, your parents respect you. It seems from this video that the parent has already attempted to correct her daughter's behavior but is shown just another bout of disrespect. Either leave it and let it fester, or do something about it to try and break the cycle.
The father had the moral high ground after his daughter posted that whole rant to facebook. He had the opportunity to take the high road and have a private conversation with her about the privileges she has been given by her parents and why they expect her to do a few chores. Instead, he decided to try to "scare her straight" by telling her how hard her life is going to be and by discharging a lethal firearm into her laptop. I'm no father, but I just don't think he went about this in an effective manner. It seems like this video would only make the parent-child communication rift even bigger, and make it harder and harder for his daughter to see his point of view. Then again, I have no idea about his daughter's history with this sort of misbehavior, and whether this instance was simply the last straw in a long line of second chances.
well this reminds me of Dirty Harry Movies , I actually love them , but i just dont see their educational purpose in this....
gunning a laptop in an open field doesnt make me give much respect to the guy , nobody knows what kind of parent and what kind of daughter are involved ; as a parent he obviusly should guard the education of his daughter and she should know that venting on a public forum about family stuff should not be done.
maybe an approach of not letting her use the laptop until the things are talked face to face and cleared would be much better ... obviously he is pissed bc of her venting in public as can be seen in the video , but giving the payback with the same behavior feels kinda bad.
Im not saying that she should not be punished either , but seriously a video on a field where you vent about her behaviour over the net and gun her laptop... ¿?
On February 11 2012 14:56 liberal wrote: lol the fact that this dude pulled out a gun in the US and started firing it is gonna inevitably derail this thread into "bash the US" like so many others...
Seriously though, isn't it illegal to fire off a gun in a neighborhood like that? I guess it's a state by state thing, where does this guy live?
I agree with zobz for the most part though.... life is work. The sooner you accept that we are all born slaves the less disappointment you will experience in life. I think it's better to just not have children at all though.
Oh god give me a break. I only meant that any self-respecting man or woman knows that everything in life must be earned, and thus worked for. No one who is free to pursue his own self interest either in isolation or through relationships with anyone willing can be meaningfully called a slave. Work is not evil.
I'm not going to say his behavior is unjustified, but I do think it's poor parenting.
In his daughter's mind, for whatever reason, she believes she is being worked too hard and mistreated. He's only going to reinforce that idea by embarassing her in front of her friends and taking away her laptop+freedom for a year or longer. Kids don't learn awesome valuable lessons about life by being denied things, it's only the parents' own selfishness that makes them want to punish their kids in this manner.
Better ideas? Just off the top of my head: take the daughter and make her read that entire post out loud in front of the entire family, the lady who helps clean for them, maybe a couple of grandparents. She'll know that the words are hurtful and untrue as she reads them, and maybe actually learn something.
This reminded me of when I was younger... I didn't want to do all the chores so my dad took both of my gameboy colours and my gameboy advance and smashed them with a sledgehammer in front of me. One of the gbc's had dragon warrior 3 in it too. I still don't forgive them for that.
Obviously, we don't know all the salient facts involved in the case, but regardless it seems like the father acted with much the same level of maturity as the daughter. If the laptop belonged to the father, then shooting it was an idiotic act of rage that served no useful purpose. If it belonged to the daughter, then it was illegal, pure and simple. The number of people in this thread that have suggested that children are property of their parents or have no rights is frankly staggering. Bottom line, only one person involved in this situation was 15 years old. Everyone involved acted like it.
i think people would've cared less if he just threw the laptop into a lake or something instead of shooting it. Parents smash kids toys all the time.
I do find it interesting that he chose to publicize her punishment. It really is sort of a taste of her own medicine, but I'm used to a more merciful form of parenting.
Meh I got banned from the computer for half a year for not doing homework consistently and playing computer games the whole time when I was 11-13ish (I don't remember exactly when). I didn't even go around cussing people out and being disrespectful. She's got it pretty easy, hell she's got a friggin cleaning lady for her family. How nice is that? My family doesn't have a cleaning lady!
I don't understand the lack of respect or lack of awareness you people have for your parents. Are you actually siding with a girl who badmouthed her parents in public? Imagine if you were a dad or mom, and your kid complains to EVERYONE he/she knows about how unfair their life is, how they are treated poorly, etc, when you are trying your hardest to bring them up to be responsible adults. Just imagine how you would feel. Anger? Sadness? Then, how would you even react to it? Spank them? Scold them? Tell them what they did was wrong? In the end, none of those will even dent their stubbornness and selfish principles of being a teenager. Furthermore, I read some people were criticizing him shooting the laptop. Really? You're concerned more about the laptop being destroyed than a girl badmouthing her parents, publically humiliating herself and her parents who raised her? How can you condemn a man for trying to put an example to disrespecting his/her parents? He tells you that he spent half his day yesterday and spent $135 on it. Then he destroys it. Do you know what that means? That means he doesn't even care about how expensive it was, because he was doing it for his daughter. Why? So that she would do her responsibilities. He doesn't care about what the cost is, but the principle. It's principle of respect and learning to understand humility, awareness of how lucky she comes from a well-off family, and how much her dad still wants to teach her life lessons. And the worst part is, all he did was show an example and blow up a laptop. He didn't verbally abuse his child or physically punish her. He just made an example to her. What is wrong with you people? Why are you so stuck on the materialistic needs? I'm pretty sure I'd take this man's conclusion anyday, minus the publicizing and shooting.
Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I’ll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You’ll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.
Your questions were: Q: Why did y...ou decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?
A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it’s a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people… originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.
Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?
A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn’t remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought “Well, I’ll just wait it out and I’ll get it back eventually.” Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won’t ever forget and it’ll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she’ll remember it and wish she hadn’t done what she did.
The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don’t give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it’s like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you’re young. Most of the things she has that are “cool” were bought or gifted that way. She’s always asked for very few things, but they’re always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That’s not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it’s not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)
She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she’s got parents. It’s not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she’ll NEVER leave it outside at night. She’ll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She’ll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.
Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She’s known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you’re too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I’m certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.
Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?
A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.
Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.
We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:
First: As her father, I’ll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.
Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She’s seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.
On February 11 2012 14:44 zobz wrote: Life is work, childhood is dependence, and parenthood is a favour with a right to expect repayment. A child who grows up without ever learning these basic facts of life is doomed to failure, and the parent who out of mercy fails to teach them, doomed to disappointment.
Parenting should be done out of love with no expectation of repayment. Where children grow up feeling respected and loved they will grow to want to repay their parents' kindness, again not because of duty but because of love.
My parents were merciful enough that they never even grounded me when I behaved disrespectfully. They talked with me about what I had done, why, how it had made us feel, and how to do things better in the future. I learnt to think about the consequences of my actions through that, and can't think of any better way to teach a child respect. They never expected me and my brother to repay them, and we won't. Repayment implies a kind of equivalence, and whatever support my brother and I give to our parents later will be a drop in the ocean compared to the support they have given to us growing up. I know they won't be disappointed though, and that my brother and I are not failures.
Life is a learning experience, and work is something you enjoy competently enough to be paid for it.
Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I’ll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You’ll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.
Your questions were: Q: Why did y...ou decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?
A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it’s a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people… originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.
Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?
A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn’t remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought “Well, I’ll just wait it out and I’ll get it back eventually.” Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won’t ever forget and it’ll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she’ll remember it and wish she hadn’t done what she did.
The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don’t give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it’s like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you’re young. Most of the things she has that are “cool” were bought or gifted that way. She’s always asked for very few things, but they’re always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That’s not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it’s not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)
She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she’s got parents. It’s not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she’ll NEVER leave it outside at night. She’ll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She’ll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.
Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She’s known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you’re too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I’m certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.
Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?
A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.
Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.
We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:
First: As her father, I’ll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.
Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She’s seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.
I was just about to post this myself. I think the OP needs to be edited with this in it! It gives way more insight into the matter. You wouldn't want someone to tell you how to raise your kids. I think they both learned a lot from this though.
My dad kicked me out of the house when I was 16. I'll never forget his words either. He said, "I'm going to find an orphanage, a military school, or somewhere where they can provide a living for you until you are old enough to do so for yourself." That was the best thing that ever happened to me, and me and my dad have a great relationship today. I really hope that this guy's kid can say the same thing about her dad 15 years from now.
Parents do the best job they know how in raising their kids. There's no way to know if this parent's response was a good or bad thing. Each kid responds differently to varying disciplinary "techniques." One thing is for certain, you can't let that kind of behavior go unchecked.
holy shit if me or any of my siblings said anything like that to our parents, it would have been instant ass whooping.
still, i wish that if he really wanted to shoot her laptop, should've just gone all the way over the top. get it to the shooting range, get a barrett sniper rifle, pump 10 rounds of .50 cal into that :D
I don't think it's perfect parenting, but hindsight and perfect judgment are impossible for any parent. The internet, well, the world actually, is filled with arm-chair parents. EVERYBODY thinks they know the best way to raise a child. They don't. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with his actions, but he drew a line in the sand that will have a meaningful impact on his daughter.
edit: everybody should read this as it is a good follow up. That makes me think he raised a relatively well adjusted child that had to let off steam. He wasn't too pleased with the manner she chose to do so and now they'll each get a life lesson out of it.
On February 11 2012 16:39 GolemMadness wrote: Since everyone here's a psychologist, here's a response from his Facebook:
Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I’ll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You’ll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.
Your questions were: Q: Why did y...ou decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?
A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it’s a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people… originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.
Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?
A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn’t remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought “Well, I’ll just wait it out and I’ll get it back eventually.” Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won’t ever forget and it’ll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she’ll remember it and wish she hadn’t done what she did.
The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don’t give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it’s like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you’re young. Most of the things she has that are “cool” were bought or gifted that way. She’s always asked for very few things, but they’re always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That’s not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it’s not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)
She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she’s got parents. It’s not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she’ll NEVER leave it outside at night. She’ll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She’ll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.
Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She’s known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you’re too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I’m certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.
Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?
A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.
Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.
We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:
First: As her father, I’ll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.
Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She’s seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.
The problem I have with this is he goes on about her posting it for everyone on her facebook to see, what... probably around 500 or so people?
So he makes a youtube video and lets the whole world know.
Typical.
Sure, it was completely justified, and sure, he stuck to his guns and followed through with the punishment but he's being a typical conservative and completely hypocritical.
Edit:
I've always despised the argument, 'we gave you life, we give you food and a shelter'. So as a couple you both decide to engage in sexual activities, with or without intent to have a child, and you have a child, you are expected to clothe it, to feed it and shelter it, as it is your child and you had it (in most cases) willingly.
Also @ his response
Your daughter's response of 'Yeah, it's only a computer' or what not shows she's learnt absolutely nothing about a dollar value.
I bet half the people here "defending" the father are the same that shout BULLYING is bad... I mean, what else than bullying is this?
Yes, the daughter probably is a dipshit und should get some punishment... But comme on....
Btw: The Daughter never even did something. Afaik she did/does her chores and all that (well, was grounded for not doing this) but just bitched on facebook.. Thats what teenagers do? At my age we would have met/sms and bitched about parents.. I don't get the Drama.
His response was over the top imo, but at the same time I can somewhat understand where both the dad and the daughter are coming from (I think)
She was being melodramatic about her life, he recorded the video in a fit of rage. However, if you wanted to rant, you do so privately. If you want to rant publicly on a place like twitter/facebook, you leave the names out. Plain and simple. Doing so blatantly shamed and disrespected her mother and father.
Could he have punished her better? Yeah, sure. Would it be as effective? We'll never know. It's done, he's learnt that posting things on youtube risks it going viral (Something he should have known as someone working in IT seriously), and hopefully she's learnt her lesson. He's her father; he's the one who is going to get the foreseen "backlash" from her years from now. Different people require different parenting, shown by how divided this entire thread is.
Both of them have their flaws, just like everything out there. Chill out.
Lol Google '.45' and you can see pictures of the guy on the front page.
On a side note, I read somewhere that in the aftermath of the video the father and daughter are both on good terms with each other again, good to hear.
EDIT: The father just updated his Facebook with this status regarding his behavior that day:+ Show Spoiler +
Update: This may come as a wild shock to some.. wait for it.. wait.... (I need that guy who did the awesome HD youtube parody to do me an intro here. Where is he when I need him?)
I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all. I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.
I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT? I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!
I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious. (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to. (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)
I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes. I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.
I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)
I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy
I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.
That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol
Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.
The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?
The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)
She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)
Back to me being a normal guy... I digressed again. You guys caught me on eight and a half minutes of ONE day in my life, probably the worst day in my life as a father. So, all in all, I consider the vast overwhelming show of support to be very very gratifying... that was me at my worst, not my best. If most of you found me OK as a Dad at that time, then I'm definitely OK the rest of the time. I was angry, hurt as hell, emotional as can possibly be, and stunned still. I'd taken an hour to compose myself, but apparently I should have waited longer.. and maybe used the .22 instead of the .45. (And since when does an 8 minute video EVER go viral? And maybe the next video I'll do will be auctioning the pistol I used.. that should buy some serious college tuition, but please understand that I will definitely use the profits to also purchase a replacement .45.)
I'd like to think that if a camera followed me around and filmed every moment of my life as a parent, most of you out there would still put me in the plus column. Truthfully most of you would probably be bored. I'm just ordinary. I was raised old fashioned, and I raise my kids the same way... the modern generational concepts be damned! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I'll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren't the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I'm always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn't it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point: I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"
I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?" Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
(packing my soapbox away and going to bed now)
I agree with everyone of these points. He's absolutely correct, by the way.
On February 11 2012 12:27 Fuzzmosis wrote: How is he expecting her to watch the video if he just shot her computer?
LOL
@topic, Seriously though, WTF. I mean is this how you teach a kid? A child now cannot complain to her friends about her parents anymore? I can imagine a person like him treats her like a slave.
Is he expecting her to suddenly grow up and be a good girl now? No. Is he telling her who has the power to command in the house? Yes.
Calculating how much he is spending to buy whatever she wants, I am sorry but if he did it, then he has taken the responsibility to do so and now he is getting pissed about it? Honestly, it feels to me he feels more sorry about his money instead of her daughter not listening to him.
I can understand his point, I mean I bitched and moaned about stuff I had to do when I was living with my parents. But shotting the laptop really does seem like overkill and out of curiosity what software did he spend 130 bucks on... The only thing that I could think of that you would need to buy for a high school student is maybe word but that comes standard on most computers and it already has an operating system. But idk lol I really think he went a little far but she is stupid for pushing him to that point.
On February 11 2012 18:34 Joseph123 wrote: So wrong. That's the main problem when every person can be become a parent.
What? He probably bought her that laptop in the first place aside from upgrading it for her. Secondly I understand the sentiment that children complain about their parents, fine, w/e. But the internet is a public forum. That is incredibly disrespectful. He was well within his rights as a parent to take away her laptop. That being said...
Would I have shot the thing? No. But would I have removed it as punishment? Yes. In the end it was just a variation on a theme, no real difference between the two.
This dude is a saint, I wish more parents were like him. Coming through highschool I met a ton of girls like his daughter that complained about everything. Fuck, they'd complain about complaining for gods sake.
Awesome. I salute this guy 100%. I live in a housing/council area.
So many fuck head teenagers/ young adults having kids for extra money who have no idea how good we actually have in in Australia having kids and not even trying to install any type of discipline. I'm so pissed off at how kids are so fuck headed these days and then people saying we should give them more.
A quote from George Carlin "Fuck the children". I hope this girl learnt her lesson. If I had done something like when I was younger my dad would've kicked my arse so hard I'd never sit down properly again.
Edit: is RivetingTaleChap a troll? I think he's a teenager who is just like the girl who's just angry the kid didn't win.
Edit 2: Selling the Laptop would've saved him money but damn I loved this video. Fuck kids who think the world owes them something.
That'll show her... in all seriousness, I perfectly understand his reaction and all, but... really? That was a little extreme bro'... and how does he expect Hannah to watch the video if he just shot her laptop? >.>
^Not her parents kid. I reckon it's just stuff she sees on TV and how all her friends act. Plus the stuff she sees on the internet all the time.
On February 11 2012 18:52 HaXXspetten wrote: That'll show her... in all seriousness, I perfectly understand his reaction and all, but... really? That was a little extreme bro'... and how does he expect Hannah to watch the video if he just shot her laptop? >.>
I guess her school has computers where she could watch it maybe? or town library or a friend house or something. It's gotten 6 million plus hits shouldn't be to hard to find.
So many people here are perfectly displaying that entitlement attitude...guys, she doesn't OWN anything. There's a good chance that nothing, or at the very least almost nothing, she has was actually bought through her own labor. That laptop was her's by the grace of her parents willing to let her have it. It's not a goddamn right to have a laptop, or have internet access, or a phone, or even fucking electricity. Those are nice things to have which children have access to because their parents allow them to have access to them at home.
The sooner kids realize that, the sooner they've grown up.
On February 11 2012 12:17 ZackAttack wrote: What a redneck idiot.
I must say I disagree with you in saying that is a redneck or an idiot. The man said he was a IT specialist. True he did speak with a southern accent but that's just where he's from. He did indeed shoot that laptop with a .45 but that's just driving the point home for her friends and maybe even to scare them a little. I was a bad kid growing up and I received some tough love from my parents and I came out the better for it. It's one of those times where it really sucks but you'll be the better for it in the future.
A good parent would have just sit and talk to her.
This guy acted like a control freak. That's now how you should deal with your children especially through adolescence (a period kids always go rebellious and try to get independent, and it's a normal phase). He shouldn't have snapped.
Oh and this:
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
I can in no way agree to this or even relate. He's an overly conservative folk who's too fond of himself and thinks if he got raised in a way that must be the best way.
I think there's quite some big differences between the european and american culture about raising children and making them work and all. But this guy was put to work since he was 12 and he's proud and views that as normal? That's a fucking abuse and we evolved to the laws protecting children for a purpose! I don't see how someone could agree to force your child, or anyone's to work at 13. Even 15 is too soon. Let them grow, let them learn, let them experience teen life for christ sake, he'll dozens of years to work his ass off like a slave.
And before anyone calls me a hypocrite, yes i know a chunk of the things i daily use is made by children in country where no such regulations exist and they are put to work in miserable conditions for long hours and little payment, under threats. You think i like that? I don't! And trust me, if i would see "made by children forced labor in india" label on any product, i would not buy it!
Yeah ... he calls "facebook" -> public ... sorry but thats just plainly stupid . Everyone who takes anything posted nowadays on facebook seriously is a moron. Only thing facebook is good for is trolling.
On February 11 2012 12:30 sc4k wrote: All I can say is if this guy were my dad I would leave when it became financially capable and never return, but not before laying his ass out. That's not a loving way to treat your daughter. Snooping on her facebook posts and loading her up with chores and not allowing ANY biteback? Fucking retarded. Any people here who were parented like that, I seriously pity you.
Brilliant sum up. I agree completely.
I hope this kids leaves her parents and cuts all contact, to start a new free life.
On February 11 2012 12:28 Shiragaku wrote: Well I personally believe teenagers should learn to question their parents authority at times which all of my peers agree, but they seem to abuse it too fucking much.
If you are going to rebel, at least learn to sustain yourself. Teenagers forget how much their parents provide in their life.
This guy has a point. I for one know that I am lazy and complain to much/ disobey my parents, i don't respect them enough for how much they work/worked and have it a lot easier than they did ( mostly due to the fact that they lived during the communist regime and were born while the country was paying some significant debts... but that is beside the point ) I would NEVER complain about what they do on the fucking internet ( or to my friends ) and i know them well enough to know what i can get away with and what i can't. And i do not need them to "change my dipper" ( aka having a 50 years old guy install basic soft on my 2k $ facebook machine ) Teenagers this days are getting dumber and more parent dependent with each day, i have no problem with the "rebel" teenager that doesn't give a shit about school, is away from home to much, does drugs...etc, its not an attitude that i agree with but it can certainly help you build your personality and you are not bound to be a failure in life ( a lot of "great" persons lived there teenage years like this quite frankly ), however this type of " rebellious in words retarded in actions" drama queen has to go, its the worst "path" one could take as a teenager.
The guy in a video is the typical "Tennessee redneck" from the way he acts to the way he looks/speak but he has a good point, he is rational ( expect for shooting the laptop... why the hell would you dot that ... fucking take it away and use it as your own or give it to someone that needs it !!!) and he seems like a hard working, well educated guy. So id say hes a badass and his actions are well intended and sent the message that he wanted them to.
Would normally criticize him for having a gun but he lives outside of town so i could see a point of that only benefiting him out there.
Edit: just notice the guy has 9million views, im almost sure that the money he will get from the top contributor program of youtube will get him more money than the laptop + bullets that likely got him all the fuzz for the video.
Any person who cannot adequately screen what they upload from people they are talking negatively about deserve any backlash that occurs as a result. Or they could, ya know, keep it to themselves.
Such is the dance of information.
On February 11 2012 19:03 Pika Chu wrote: Oh and this:
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
Actually there are a number of legal jobs a kid can do. I, for example, refereed Ice Hockey starting at 12 years old and made a pretty penny off of it. Other kids mow lawns and other such jobs. It really comes down to how bad you want the dosh (among other things like location and availabilty of transport, but you have to make do with what ya got.)
He sounds like a retard but what he did is absolutely right. Letting your kid grow up into a whiny, spoiled brat is the worst possible thing you can do to it short of abuse.
Also, he missed with the 4th bullet at point blank range XD. I hope that doesn't happen when raiders come a knockin' for his cows.
i dont think people in this thread have much right to comment on what he should/shoulldnt have done and if it was justified or not. Ok, shooting the laptop was maybe a bit far (but fucking hilarious though) and theres people saying hes just encouraging the bhaviour and he should have just sat and talked to her. How do you know he hasnt done that in the past? By the sounds of it she sounds like a right knacker just some lazy teenage kid who tries to get as much as she can off everyone while doing as little as possible. They've probably spent years trying to deal with her, in which cases they might have sat down with her and tried to sort it out and talk to her.
If hes spent that much money on her and on her laptop and stuff i think hes got every right to take it away. Maybe not destroy it. But he could have sold it or something or just taken it off her. That might encourage her to start earning her own money. Im only 22 but ive earned money every day since my 13th birthday. And when my son gets old enough ill do the same to him. For all this guys obvious flaws, hes actually a somewhat decent parent. I think more people need to be doing more to encourage teenage kids to start making their own money.
On February 11 2012 19:39 Kickboxer wrote: He sounds like a retard but what he did is absolutely right. Letting your kid grow up into a whiny, spoiled brat is the worst possible thing you can do to it short of abuse.
Also, he missed with the 4th bullet at point blank range XD. I hope that doesn't happen when raiders come a knockin' for his cows.
also i think you mean the 3rd shot, and he didnt, it hit right in the conrer next to the sticker or w/e it is
this is what i like to see, im 18 but i work damn hard to make sure my perants live the most easy life as possible, i dont get paid jack for all the chores i do but i know its not even close to what my mum/dad puts on the table for me, and im also an only child.. i use to be like this at around 12'ish when i didnt give a fuck, but my perants woke me up and i got my shit together...
i still do every single thing a teenager does but my parents definitely come first before anything.
If he was a good father maybe she wouldn't have grown up to be a self-righteous bitch. He sounds emotionally abusive and like the kind of person who just responds with immediate anger and discipline to anything he doesn't like. Now he's exposed his daughter and his family to the legions of trolls on the internet (people on 4chan already trying to dox the whole family, what an idiot)
He's overreacting to his teenage daughter having a rebellious stage and acting selfish. A teenage girl thought her parents are unfair? Stop the presses. This is fucking pathetic.
Some of the post in here scare me. Mainly the people against what this guy did and in support of the child.
Jesus christ you spoilt little fucks. Notice kids from poorer countries taking all your jobs. Cause you're so fucking lazy and arrogant to get a job that's "below you".
Well when I grew up I experienced corporal punishment,got grounded,got yelled at and that stuff.Do I hate my parents for it?No,not really,I didn't like it at the time when it happened but I got over it an hour later. But what my dad never did was what this red neck idiot did lol. He just basically destroyed his own property,while he was making a point of how his daughter doesn't value anything she gets. Besides,anytime I got punished,I did something WRONG(the time I got beat I took the car and wrecked it,think I was like 13.).This girl just wrote a hate latter on her parents as a teenager.Who would have thought something like that happens a? I don't know what things besides this she did but if all that she does is "rebel" against her parents by writing this stuff on facebook,this man is a idiot.
So I'm not against punishment,but when you punish your kids in a extreme way,it better be for something good.
On February 11 2012 19:32 ChriS-X wrote: people here who are sticking up for the daughter obviously never had seen asian parents at work
I have Asian parents, and I showed this video to my dad and he was shocked.Yes, Asian parents are harsh. I've been caned, beaten, yelled at, made to kneel in a corner and all other kinds of nasty things. I've even been dragged out and dumped in the garden when I was too lazy to leave the bed. However, my dad or my mum would never shoot a laptop and post it on the internet because:
1) Asian families keep their dirty linen to themselves. As bad as things may be, what happens in the family stays in the family. Essentially the outside world does not need to/should not know family disputes. It looks bad on you as a parent, and it looks bad on the whole family.
The guy's response pointed out the obvious problem - once on the internet, always on the internet. When this girl applies for a real job in the future and they do a simply background check, this silly video will be something she will have to explain. Of course most companies might shrug it off, but what if this girl wanted to work as a politician? or a public figure? it's just bad baggage.
2) Asian parents do everything for their children. Of course my dad has his ego and idiosyncratic ways. But at the end of the day, everything was done with my future in mind (see point 1 about how posting this on the internet basically handicaps the girl in the future). Now it's his kid to raise. But what my dad showed me is that when he scolded me, it was never about him, or his bruised ego, or what not. It was about teaching me a lesson, addressing my inadequacies.
Watch the video. His voice is shaking, and he clearly isn't thinking straight. He even dedicates one bullet to her mom because the mom asked him to. This isn't just about teaching his daughter a lesson, it is also about him venting. And that's just silly, because you scold the child for the child, and not to make yourself feel better.
3) An Asian parent would have sold the laptop, used it for himself, or something more productive than shooting it to bits.
If the kid thinks she's got a hard life, then she should get informed on asian kids. The parents beat the children to "discipline" them. It's a hard world and if at the age of 15 you think you can do something about it, you're wrong.
The man in the video seems very unpleased. If I were the girl, I wouldn't have posted the hate letter on fb just to avoid any conflict between them. I guess the daughter ain't very smart.
On February 11 2012 19:56 NoS-Craig wrote: Some of the post in here scare me. Mainly the people against what this guy did and in support of the child.
Jesus christ you spoilt little fucks. Notice kids from poorer countries taking all your jobs. Cause you're so fucking lazy and arrogant to get a job that's "below you".
Not supporting the daughter. What he did was a grown-up temper tantrum. He hasn't instilled whatever work ethic or values he wanted to in her when she was a child and she's grown up to be an obnoxious rebellious teenager. Publicly humiliating her in front of millions of people and destroying her things won't do anything except make her angry and afraid.
She's 15 years old, why should she get a job? If her parents buy her things she wants and don't make her work for it, isn't that on them? I didn't work when I was 15 does that make me lazy and arrogant?
It's not black and white. He has a right to be angry but he's dealing with it in a way far more childish than her facebook post was. I expect that behavior out of a child, not a grown man. But apparently he is incapable of communicating or working things out reasonably with his own daughter.
On February 11 2012 19:32 ChriS-X wrote: people here who are sticking up for the daughter obviously never had seen asian parents at work
I have Asian parents, and I showed this video to my dad and he was shocked.Yes, Asian parents are harsh. I've been caned, beaten, yelled at, made to kneel in a corner and all other kinds of nasty things. I've even been dragged out and dumped in the garden when I was too lazy to leave the bed. However, my dad or my mum would never shoot a laptop and post it on the internet because:
1) Asian families keep their dirty linen to themselves. As bad as things may be, what happens in the family stays in the family. Essentially the outside world does not need to/should not know family disputes. It looks bad on you as a parent, and it looks bad on the whole family.
The guy's response pointed out the obvious problem - once on the internet, always on the internet. When this girl applies for a real job in the future and they do a simply background check, this silly video will be something she will have to explain. Of course most companies might shrug it off, but what if this girl wanted to work as a politician? or a public figure? it's just bad baggage.
2) Asian parents do everything for their children. Of course my dad has his ego and idiosyncratic ways. But at the end of the day, everything was done with my future in mind (see point 1 about how posting this on the internet basically handicaps the girl in the future). Now it's his kid to raise. But what my dad showed me is that when he scolded me, it was never about him, or his bruised ego, or what not. It was about teaching me a lesson, addressing my inadequacies.
Watch the video. His voice is shaking, and he clearly isn't thinking straight. He even dedicates one bullet to her mom because the mom asked him to. This isn't just about teaching his daughter a lesson, it is also about him venting. And that's just silly, because you scold the child for the child, and not to make yourself feel better.
3) An Asian parent would have sold the laptop, used it for himself, or something more productive than shooting it to bits.
Second point is right on. He's not doing anything to teach her a "lesson" he's throwing a temper tantrum.
This is awesome. She was warned, thought he wasn't serious, and got punished for it. It's interesting to see people actually defend her... my twelve year old brother does more than her. She has no right to complain about anything, she has it good. The hilarity of putting this on FB is genius as well. She disrespects (and embarrasses) them, they embarrass her. There are few ways better when it comes to teaching a lesson than embarrassment. And that's an unintended consequence, the dad had no idea this would blow up.
And to all the people saying "it's her laptop" or "what a waste"... from what I can tell, she didn't buy it, he did. It was technically his to do whatever he pleased. Every nice thing she has is from her parents, and yet she whines about them. What a brat.
If you are grounded for THREE MONTHS and still do this, there is no way parents are going to let you keep it. My parents have threatened to throw out electronics before.. even stuff that I bought. I was a minor, but they have authority and know what's best. I find this 100% justifiable.
On February 11 2012 19:56 NoS-Craig wrote: Some of the post in here scare me. Mainly the people against what this guy did and in support of the child.
Jesus christ you spoilt little fucks. Notice kids from poorer countries taking all your jobs. Cause you're so fucking lazy and arrogant to get a job that's "below you".
Not supporting the daughter. What he did was a grown-up temper tantrum. He hasn't instilled whatever work ethic or values he wanted to in her when she was a child and she's grown up to be an obnoxious rebellious teenager. Publicly humiliating her in front of millions of people and destroying her things won't do anything except make her angry and afraid.
She's 15 years old, why should she get a job? If her parents buy her things she wants and don't make her work for it, isn't that on them? I didn't work when I was 15 does that make me lazy and arrogant?
It's not black and white. He has a right to be angry but he's dealing with it in a way far more childish than her facebook post was. I expect that behavior out of a child, not a grown man. But apparently he is incapable of communicating or working things out reasonably with his own daughter.
If you don't have a job at 15, that's fine. But if you want expensive things, smartphones, laptops, cameras etc. and are unwilling to get a job to pay for them yourself and are expecting your parents to just give it to you, then yes, that makes you lazy and arrogant.
It's OK to not have a job, but it's not OK to expect expensive things from your parent if you don't.
I agree with that. That doesn't mean I agree with the dads reaction. I'm not surprised though because most of TL seems to be in favor of bullying, child abuse, social darwinism, etc.
So..in America if a kid posts a message on facebook complaining about basic stuff, you shoot their laptop...in a public place....and post the video on youtube for profit? Gotcha!
Oh and they're religious? I see. It all makes sense.
And before you quote me saying this is one guy, i've read a LOT of comments on his Facebook, and on Youtube, and the majority of the parents think what he did was right, LOL.
Oh and the fact the daughters response to the comments made on Youtube where 'It's only a laptop, pfft.' - Yeah, I mean, you could probably feed an African for a year or two with the money it cost, but hey, it's just a laptop!
The dad's behavior is wrong in so many ways that I am really puzzled how somebody can think it's justified.
As a parent, you need to take responsibility for your kid - as your kid cannot do so on her own. At the end of the day, that is the very essence of parenting. So yeah, your kid may behave stupidly from time to time, she may be lazy, fail at school or whatsoever. Hell, she may even throw stuff at you or steel your radio and sell it for drugs. But as parents, you never actually blame the kid for it, rather try helping her overcome her problems. If you dont, you are simply an ass and a failure as a dad and as an individual.
Besides, it is completely ridiculous to shoot at the laptop. If you ever touch a weapon for reasons such silly - and in an obviously angry mood - you should loose the right to keep weapons. But yeah, stupid american rednecks detected...
On February 11 2012 20:49 C[h]ili wrote: The dad's behavior is wrong in so many ways that I am really puzzled how somebody can think it's justified.
As a parent, you need to take responsibility for your kid - as your kid cannot do so on her own. At the end of the day, that is the very essence of parenting. So yeah, your kid may behave stupidly from time to time, she may be lazy, fail at school or whatsoever. Hell, she may even throw stuff at you or steel your radio and sell it for drugs. But as parents, you never actually blame the kid for it, rather try helping her overcome her problems. If you dont, you are simply an ass and a failure as a dad and as an individual.
Besides, it is completely ridiculous to shoot at the laptop. If you ever touch a weapon for reasons such silly - and in an obviously angry mood - you should loose the right to keep weapons. But yeah, stupid american rednecks detected...
On TeamLiquid the majority of posters think it is justified to shoot children with crossbows if they throw a rock at your car and that kids who commit suicide after being bullied deserve to die.
On February 11 2012 20:49 C[h]ili wrote: The dad's behavior is wrong in so many ways that I am really puzzled how somebody can think it's justified.
As a parent, you need to take responsibility for your kid - as your kid cannot do so on her own. At the end of the day, that is the very essence of parenting. So yeah, your kid may behave stupidly from time to time, she may be lazy, fail at school or whatsoever. Hell, she may even throw stuff at you or steel your radio and sell it for drugs. But as parents, you never actually blame the kid for it, rather try helping her overcome her problems. If you dont, you are simply an ass and a failure as a dad and as an individual.
Besides, it is completely ridiculous to shoot at the laptop. If you ever touch a weapon for reasons such silly - and in an obviously angry mood - you should loose the right to keep weapons. But yeah, stupid american rednecks detected...
On TeamLiquid the majority of posters think it is justified to shoot children with crossbows if they throw a rock at your car and that kids who commit suicide after being bullied deserve to die.
Lets be happy this shows that E-Sports now officially reached the masses
I personally think the dad is completely justified. Releasing it to the internet may affect her future negatively, but we'll see. I live in a household where respect is mutual. I know my dad is working 8 hours a day so I can go to school. I know my mom has a bad back, so I do as much of the chores as is reasonable, without complaint. Yeah I got yelled at, and grounded and spanked growing up, but it was all absolutely justified. Responsibility is something that needs to be taught all the way growing up.
Complaining about stuff is fine. You are absolutely allowed to express displeasure at having to do chores. Insulting parents as a byproduct of complaining is not. I made the mistake of doing that once, and for it I ended up walking 2 miles home.
On February 11 2012 20:49 C[h]ili wrote: The dad's behavior is wrong in so many ways that I am really puzzled how somebody can think it's justified.
As a parent, you need to take responsibility for your kid - as your kid cannot do so on her own. At the end of the day, that is the very essence of parenting. So yeah, your kid may behave stupidly from time to time, she may be lazy, fail at school or whatsoever. Hell, she may even throw stuff at you or steel your radio and sell it for drugs. But as parents, you never actually blame the kid for it, rather try helping her overcome her problems. If you dont, you are simply an ass and a failure as a dad and as an individual.
Besides, it is completely ridiculous to shoot at the laptop. If you ever touch a weapon for reasons such silly - and in an obviously angry mood - you should loose the right to keep weapons. But yeah, stupid american rednecks detected...
On TeamLiquid the majority of posters think it is justified to shoot children with crossbows if they throw a rock at your car and that kids who commit suicide after being bullied deserve to die.
On February 11 2012 21:08 Amui wrote: I personally think the dad is completely justified. Releasing it to the internet may affect her future negatively, but we'll see. I live in a household where respect is mutual. I know my dad is working 8 hours a day so I can go to school. I know my mom has a bad back, so I do as much of the chores as is reasonable, without complaint. Yeah I got yelled at, and grounded and spanked growing up, but it was all absolutely justified. Responsibility is something that needs to be taught all the way growing up.
Complaining about stuff is fine. You are absolutely allowed to express displeasure at having to do chores. Insulting parents as a byproduct of complaining is not. I made the mistake of doing that once, and for it I ended up walking 2 miles home.
Masochistic stockholm-syndrome victim.
But if you grow up getting beaten, it's hard to expect a child to not understand that it's wrong.
On February 11 2012 20:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I agree with that. That doesn't mean I agree with the dads reaction. I'm not surprised though because most of TL seems to be in favor of bullying, child abuse, social darwinism, etc.
That's probably the vocal minoirity you're reffering to but I agree. Sometimes it seems like that is the consensus of TL as a whole because only those with extreme opinions get riled up enough to post in many of these threads. Meanwhile all the decent people read those comments and close the thread down instantly because they realise there is no point in arguing with uneducated sociopatic narcisists becuase you can't change their minds. Damn I wish I was one of those decent people.
Yeah, the gun thing seems retarded, probably mostly due to cultural differences. I'd have no problem if he had used a baseball bat or anything. On a whole, as viewers we can't really judge the scenario, since we don't know all the other stuff the kid pulled (the fathers stance is obviously "this was the last straw"). On one hand that kid seems like a spoiled brat. On the other- whose fault is that?
On February 11 2012 21:08 Amui wrote: I personally think the dad is completely justified. Releasing it to the internet may affect her future negatively, but we'll see. I live in a household where respect is mutual. I know my dad is working 8 hours a day so I can go to school. I know my mom has a bad back, so I do as much of the chores as is reasonable, without complaint. Yeah I got yelled at, and grounded and spanked growing up, but it was all absolutely justified. Responsibility is something that needs to be taught all the way growing up.
Complaining about stuff is fine. You are absolutely allowed to express displeasure at having to do chores. Insulting parents as a byproduct of complaining is not. I made the mistake of doing that once, and for it I ended up walking 2 miles home.
Masochistic stockholm-syndrome victim.
But if you grow up getting beaten, it's hard to expect a child to not understand that it's wrong.
I took me quite a long time to figure that one out. You don't really get that other parents don't beat their children. its weird. Use of a gun was way too much naked violence to begin with. I don't understand how its acceptable include firearms in anyway or form into your relation with your children
On February 11 2012 21:08 Amui wrote: I personally think the dad is completely justified. Releasing it to the internet may affect her future negatively, but we'll see. I live in a household where respect is mutual. I know my dad is working 8 hours a day so I can go to school. I know my mom has a bad back, so I do as much of the chores as is reasonable, without complaint. Yeah I got yelled at, and grounded and spanked growing up, but it was all absolutely justified. Responsibility is something that needs to be taught all the way growing up.
Complaining about stuff is fine. You are absolutely allowed to express displeasure at having to do chores. Insulting parents as a byproduct of complaining is not. I made the mistake of doing that once, and for it I ended up walking 2 miles home.
Masochistic stockholm-syndrome victim.
But if you grow up getting beaten, it's hard to expect a child to not understand that it's wrong.
I took me quite a long time to figure that one out. You don't really get that other parents don't beat their children. its weird. Use of a gun was way too much naked violence to begin with. I don't understand how its acceptable include firearms in anyway or form into your relation with your children
I've noticed that the majority of the people from NA think this was the correct way to deal with it while its more split with the people from EU, fascinating.
What an idiotic way of disciplining your child, not only does he go off on a massive tantrum and shoot a laptop (who actually does something like that?), but he posts this on the internet for the whole world to see and on his daughters facebook page so all her friends can see. Now she will have to deal with not only losing her laptop but the fact that basically every single person she will come into contact with will know what happened. The guy clearly has no idea how to have a conversation with his daughter, instead resorting to such extreme behaviour that could end up causing his daughter to act up even more now.
My daughter thought it would be funny/rebellious/cool to post on her Facebook wall just how upset she was and how unfair her life here is; how we work her too hard with chores, never pay her for chores, and just in general make her life difficult.
She chose to share this with the entire world on Facebook and block her parent's from seeing it. Well, umm... she failed. As of the end of this video, she won't have to worry anymore about posting inappropriate things on Facebook...
Maybe a few kids can take something away from this... If you're so disrespectful to your parents and yourself as to post this kind of thing on Facebook, you're deserving of some tough love. Today, my daughter is getting a dose of tough love.
My own take is that the man is absolutely justified. If I have a kid who crosses the line, my hope is that I will have the courage to discipline them. Obviously, people are going to be talking about petty things + Show Spoiler +
like what he did to the laptop (i.e. could have given it away)
, but the main point is that the father took a strong stance against the entitlement attitudes of many of today's younger generation.
Also, the video clearly shows that the parents care deeply about their child + Show Spoiler +
(he mentioned that she eventually may only use a laptop when she goes to college)
. Clearly he cares enough to discipline her like this.
If he cared so much he wouldn't have made a video about this. It'll probably lead to her getting bullied at school and she gets marked for years to come. I really don't care if he wants to practise "tough love" but by creating this video he's done to her something that's 1000 times worse than what she did by talking shit on facebook. I wouldn't be suprised if this lead to her having to change schools for example.
It's difficult to gauge how their relationship is from a simple youtube video, but based on it alone it sounds like this was a recurring issue and noted by all her parents. Was he unable to communicate with his daughter correctly? I don't know for sure, but I think he was doing what he could to address the problems at hand. I don't think this is just some tantrum, he specifically says that the last time it happened he was going to put a bullet in it, and didn't. And I think he was perfectly within his right to put a round in the laptop. However, posting it on youtube isn't called for. As others have said, you shouldn't air your families dirty laundry in this manner.
I seriously would not be surprised if the kid just up 'n ran away. Anyone who treats another human being like the way this man is treating his daughter has some seriously screwed up prejudices.
Edit: I just read the comments and saw people didn't grab his sarcasm on youtube - unless I see it wrongly it's sarcasm. This guy sums up my thoughts - why the fuck do you need to use your gun to teach your kid a lesson. Seriously. Wether or not it's neccesary to discipline a whining teenager on facebook teenagers are oftenly not happy with their parents. It's part of puberty and growing apart from your parents.
I can't do much about this anyway and it's not like he's harming as in hitting her so I'll just see the father as a dumb redneck and move on.
Is that really the way to handle family issues nowadays? I mean, really? Of course whining about your parents on facebook is disrespectful - that's the whole point of it! Now, I don't know if she really is a spoiled brat or actually has to do a little too much at home, but I really think there are better ways to solve issues like this - how about, you know, talking to each other?
Granted, I guess it might be impossible to reason with a teenage girl (I am not a parent, so I have no experience on the matter), but to shoot her laptop and post it on youtube is just dumb. While stupid, I do not really mind the fact that he destroyed the computer (how he destroyed it doesn't matter), but making it into a bloody Youtube video... really?
I mean yeah, the girl's facebook is still quite public, but noone is going to raise an eyebrow over a girl whining about chores at home. This video? Just look at how many views it has and we, on bloody TL, are discussing it.
In terms of misusing the internet, the dad is the one who takes it too far. The rest is a family matter and not one that I, who live in Sweden, should be aware of.
On February 11 2012 22:41 Bojas wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K-X4DwRxPc&f Edit: I just read the comments and saw people didn't grab his sarcasm on youtube - unless I see it wrongly it's sarcasm. This guy sums up my thoughts - why the fuck do you need to use your gun to teach your kid a lesson. Seriously. Wether or not it's neccesary to discipline a whining teenager on facebook teenagers are oftenly not happy with their parents. It's part of puberty and growing apart from your parents.
I can't do much about this anyway and it's not like he's harming as in hitting her so I'll just see the father as a dumb redneck and move on.
Yes he was obviously sarcastic. Either a lot of parents don't have a sense of humor or they are used to shooting up their kids stuff with guns.
Though the gun wasn't really what I took out of the orgininal video.
Jesus christ I say. Some families....wow. This father is a complete lunatic. That child's life will probably be fucked up for the rest of it and those 2 will never have a healthy relationship. This is just.....so wrong.
There's complaining about your parents and there's being a total bitch like this 15 year old was. I don't quite agree with shooting the laptop but hell if he has enough money that he doesn't care, then why should I. The moralists calling this guy stupid for shooting the laptop, kinda disturb me. He's grounding his daughter for being a self-entitled brat who thinks her parents work for her. He needs that laptop to disappear and if he chooses to shoot it then that's his cup of tea.
P1 Parents ground girl for being disrespectful P2 Parents tell girl if she's disrespectful again, her punishment will be more severe P3 Girl is disrespectful again C1 Parents punish her for it
This guy said he'd do something and he did it. Sure, we may not like how he handled the disposing of the laptop, but it's his property. Who cares. What's the point of being all like: "omg u used a gun yur dumb."
I agree with Plexa's point on making this public; there's no need to make you family matters so.
On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath.
ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally.
He's not alienating her from people. She doesn't have a laptop and can't watch TV. Were laptops and TV always around? No. She still goes to school and can socialize there.
I believe he's justified in doing what he did, it was his money so he can do what he wants with it. He seems like a wealthy person so I doubt shooting that laptop really put a dent in his wallet.
I respect the man and hope the daughter gets her shit together, I wish parents did this here in Ohio...
The funny thing is if she had a job half of this wouldn't be a problem. If you start paying your own way your parents aren't really in a position to do anything, or at least if they are still upset - you can still live because you're not depending on them for handouts.
On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath.
ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally.
He's not alienating her from people. She doesn't have a laptop and can't watch TV. Were laptops and TV always around? No. She still goes to school and can socialize there.
I believe he's justified in doing what he did, it was his money so he can do what he wants with it. He seems like a wealthy person so I doubt shooting that laptop really put a dent in his wallet.
I respect the man and hope the daughter gets her shit together, I wish parents did this here in Ohio...
You do realise he posted this on her Facebook page? For everyone to see. Why the hell was her father reading her private messages on her facebook account while she was at school is beyond me. A teenager as the right to be a teenager. It's not like she doesn't do her chores or act on her feelings.
that guy is a badass haha. he took it a little far, but it's retarded that children complain about doing simple chores or carrying even a fraction of the weight of the household like it's the end of the world. kids need to grow up and realize that life is not smooth sailing, and i'm sure the daughter realizes this now.
from what i gather the guy has faced this problem with her before, and yet she continued to offend, so he fixed the problem. teenagers don't always respond to pure reason. sometimes it takes something a little extreme to send the message
venting is evil and you should never do it emotions are meant to be bottled up all the time ( except for when your shooting your kids laptop with a gun) but seriously what a waste of money i'd just take the laptop away and say it's no longer yours either that or sell it.
I think his response may have been a little out of proportion, but we have no context of what really happened in their past and if her "rebeling" is a recurring incident (besides the one time he was mentioning). If it was just that one time, his whole punishment scheme is a little too far. Kids will be kids, even if the teenagers of this generation are a little more spoiled and whatnot than in the past.
But in his defense, she was being quite disrespectful to everybody and needed some sort of punishment.
On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath.
ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally.
He's not alienating her from people. She doesn't have a laptop and can't watch TV. Were laptops and TV always around? No. She still goes to school and can socialize there.
I believe he's justified in doing what he did, it was his money so he can do what he wants with it. He seems like a wealthy person so I doubt shooting that laptop really put a dent in his wallet.
I respect the man and hope the daughter gets her shit together, I wish parents did this here in Ohio...
You do realise he posted this on her Facebook page? For everyone to see. Why the hell was her father reading her private messages on her facebook account while she was at school is beyond me. A teenager as the right to be a teenager. It's not like she doesn't do her chores or act on her feelings.
Really is it wrong for him to read something ADDRESSED to him? As outsiders, we don't know the whole story so for her to post that in general embarrasses him as people could get the wrong idea. She disrespected him and embarrassed him so I still feel what he did was right.
On February 11 2012 20:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I agree with that. That doesn't mean I agree with the dads reaction. I'm not surprised though because most of TL seems to be in favor of bullying, child abuse, social darwinism, etc.
Sadly I have also come to this conclusion and this thread just proves it.
I need to reiterate the point that Mr. Jordan addresses lots of comments on his Facebook, and doesn't seem radical or a gun-toting nut at all. His daughter is also doing fine and not traumatized by the horrific experience of having her laptop taking away (and summarily executed).
I tihnk part of the point of putting it on Her Facebook Page Only is to show what you put on the internet stays on the internet, and that you shouldn't be disrespectful to your parents and "the cleaning lady". You never know what can come back at you once you've put it out there. I guess she'll know that now. Unfortunatly it did get out on the internet so I will say it did make it worse than it should of been since it should stay to family maters and the people that were included in the facebook. This was not only a stand to his kid but a stand to the kids egging it on. For that it seems what he did is justified. Myself i would of just put the laptop up until my child could shows she is responsible enough to have it back. Rather it stepping up at home or looking for a job all by it may not get a job but at least make an effort towards it. Doesn't stop her from getting on another kids phone ar laptop or computer to go on her on facebook page again anyways just makes her more pissed in my oponion since there is no reward for doing a better job. Granted i dont know what was said to her personally. As for the gun part i think that it is his laptop so if he wants to waste his own money, in an atempt to basically say im not puttting up with your shit no more. Get your ass in gear. Thats his own right. <A little over the top maybe>
Kids feels persecuted by their parents and vent about having to do chores. That doesn't make somebody selfish or spoiled, that makes me them a typical teenager. Also, "get me my shoes," and "cook me dinner," aren't things I would consider your average chores.
What his daughter did was perfectly normal. Sure, we as adults think it's stupid for somebody who has so much provided for them to complain about having to do chores, but we all did it at some point because we were teenagers. We've all vented our petty issues with our parents to friends and I doubt any of us ever got in trouble for doing so.
The guy was going through her personal messages and found her venting about having to do chores (plus the other stuff I previously mentioned), and then decided to throw a tantrum, humiliate her, destroy a laptop which he claimed he just paid $130 to upgrade which could have been put to better use, and then he broadcasts his intent to make her pay for the money he just wasted all because she was venting.
That's not, "tough, but fair" parenting. No kid is going to 'straighten up and fly right' when this is the punitive response to something so petty. Nothing the dad described in the letter leads me to believe she was some out of control spoiled-rotten brat. Just your average teen.
On February 11 2012 12:57 TALegion wrote: I don't get why people are so amped. This dude a pretty strict stance, but hell, it's his parenting. It ain't any better than letting his kid run rampant like a prissy little shit. As far as I'm concerned, during your teenage years, your parents are either dicks or non-existent.
EDIT: Also, this is quite the opposite of, "Childish," "Immature," or, "Similar," behavior. He didnt just shoot it and yell, "Respect my authority," he put out his problem, explained it, elaborated on why it's wrong, the past problems which have not changed, and how the behavior lead to this. Hell, in a way, I wish my parents were this clear and explained all of their shit...
I don't know how to feel about this one, partly because of lack of concrete info.
Supposedly she did a similar thing in the past, got grounded for it and was warned that there would be more severe consequences if something like it happened again. She did it again, and was incredibly disrespectful and mindless in her post. He carried out the more severe punishment of taking away her laptop and phone, a punishment related to the crime, and telling her she can have them again when she can pay for them, again punishment related to the crime with the whole payment for chores/job thing.
If that had been all that happened, he'd have been a model parent and a good example for others. But to me, he made the punishment way too public (although it could be argued she made it public in the first place) and there was no need for a gun. If anything he could have just cleared all the info off the laptop and sold it to get back the $130 he spent on software and would have made just as good a point.
Teenagers will always rebel against their parents, it's in their nature to push and to find their own boundaries in life until their brain has properly matured at around 20-25 (I'm 18 btw). But this girl was pretty damn stupid in my opinion to make that post in the manner she did, the fact that it was so long showed she must have put even just a little thought into it, but apparently didn't or couldn't put some thought into her life in relation to others and how lucky she is. Teenagers will be teenagers, but she made herself look like a bitch, regardless of her actual personality, thus disrespecting herself as the parent said. Teenagers will be teenagers, but she was also stupid.
On February 11 2012 12:57 TALegion wrote: I don't get why people are so amped. This dude a pretty strict stance, but hell, it's his parenting. It ain't any better than letting his kid run rampant like a prissy little shit. As far as I'm concerned, during your teenage years, your parents are either dicks or non-existent.
EDIT: Also, this is quite the opposite of, "Childish," "Immature," or, "Similar," behavior. He didnt just shoot it and yell, "Respect my authority," he put out his problem, explained it, elaborated on why it's wrong, the past problems which have not changed, and how the behavior lead to this. Hell, in a way, I wish my parents were this clear and explained all of their shit...
THIS.
It's childish in the sence that he decided to make a youtube video about this and post it instead of handling it like a normal person. It's now viral and i'd not be suprised if it leads to problems for the girl. There's been several old viral videos that lead to kids getting bullied and shunned at school.
On February 11 2012 23:26 Scribble wrote: Kids feels persecuted by their parents and vent about having to do chores. That doesn't make somebody selfish or spoiled, that makes me them a typical teenager. Also, "get me my shoes," and "cook me dinner," aren't things I would consider your average chores.
What his daughter did was perfectly normal. Sure, we as adults think it's stupid for somebody who has so much provided for them to complain about having to do chores, but we all did it at some point because we were teenagers. We've all vented our petty issues with our parents to friends and I doubt any of us ever got in trouble for doing so.
The guy was going through her personal messages and found her venting about having to do chores (plus the other stuff I previously mentioned), and then decided to throw a tantrum, humiliate her, destroy a laptop which he claimed he just paid $130 to upgrade which could have been put to better use, and then he broadcasts his intent to make her pay for the money he just wasted all because she was venting.
That's not, "tough, but fair" parenting. No kid is going to 'straighten up and fly right' when this is the punitive response to something so petty. Nothing the dad described in the letter leads me to believe she was some out of control spoiled-rotten brat. Just your average teen.
I am a 'teen' and I can definately say that this girl is a spoiled-rotten brat and an average teenager at the same time.
On February 11 2012 23:26 Scribble wrote: Kids feels persecuted by their parents and vent about having to do chores. That doesn't make somebody selfish or spoiled, that makes me them a typical teenager. Also, "get me my shoes," and "cook me dinner," aren't things I would consider your average chores.
What his daughter did was perfectly normal. Sure, we as adults think it's stupid for somebody who has so much provided for them to complain about having to do chores, but we all did it at some point because we were teenagers. We've all vented our petty issues with our parents to friends and I doubt any of us ever got in trouble for doing so.
The guy was going through her personal messages and found her venting about having to do chores (plus the other stuff I previously mentioned), and then decided to throw a tantrum, humiliate her, destroy a laptop which he claimed he just paid $130 to upgrade which could have been put to better use, and then he broadcasts his intent to make her pay for the money he just wasted all because she was venting.
That's not, "tough, but fair" parenting. No kid is going to 'straighten up and fly right' when this is the punitive response to something so petty. Nothing the dad described in the letter leads me to believe she was some out of control spoiled-rotten brat. Just your average teen.
I am a 'teen' and I can definately say that this girl is a spoiled-rotten brat and an average teenager at the same time.
just to add something to this: it's easy to say that this is 'venting' or whatever on facebook, but i'm much more inclined to say that the posts were more for attention than anything. if you want to vent you talk to a friend or something about it. posting it on facebook is putting it out to a wide audience for sympathy.
he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
That's her responsibility isn't it? If she wants to be even more stuck up and disrespectful, that's fine, but from that point on she won't get off for free like she appearantly has been for quite a long time.
For the action she did she deserves the laptop to be shot. Everybody needs to vent, parents and children alike. But putting it on facebook as a way to get recognition and fame for it while antagonizing your parents to the world? Even the sheer audacity to blocking messages to your parents on a social network, while you KNOW that your dad is working in IT, of all the industries, shows some pretty bad cognitive skills.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'?
What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video).
What a sad sad man. How can anyone in their right mind think that this will teach the girl anything other than hating him even more? Sheeeit, before facebook the girl woulda whined to her friends just the same, hes just butthurt he actually "overheard" it. And that shit in the end with the gun - seriously what the fuck - this guy shouldn't even be allowed to have a kid...What or who is he gonna shoot when she comes home drunk 1 night or even better, when he founds out shes been having sex.
Oh look! An american doing something stupid with guns and then putting it online! He also is conservative and ignorant! People really like "Olds" more than "News"... After the TP reference I'm just gonna ad: How. original.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
That's her responsibility isn't it? If she wants to be even more stuck up and disrespectful, that's fine, but from that point on she won't get off for free like she appearantly has been for quite a long time.
For the action she did she deserves the laptop to be shot. Everybody needs to vent, parents and children alike. But putting it on facebook as a way to get recognition and fame for it while antagonizing your parents to the world? Even the sheer audacity to blocking messages to your parents on a social network, while you KNOW that your dad is working in IT, of all the industries, shows some pretty bad cognitive skills.
firstly, he knowingly breached her privacy, which is wrong on so many levels. Sure, it's ok to do it when your kid is 8-12 years old, but parents should have basic respect for their kid's privacy by the time they are 16 years old. I'm not saying that the bitching on facebook to your friends is right, or that the tone in which her message was written is right, it's obviously a horrible thing to do, but she is a teenager. All teenagers bitch and whine, I remember whining to my friends about my parents all the time, it just wasn't over facebook. I mean, if the message was out only to her friends and just for bitching sake, I honestly don't see the difference and don't see what is wrong with it compared to going out and bitching to your friends just so you can bitch. There is no sure way of knowing it was hidden only from her parents or if it was posted only to a group of friends from this video anyway.
If you can't take some bitching from your kid in his teenage years, without flipping out and shooting your kid's laptop with a fucking .45 you shouldn't be a parent, period. 99% of kids ages 14-18 think their parents suck and make them work more than they should because they have "a feeling in their gut" they are better than almost every other social group out there. It's called being a teenager ffs.
I sincerely doubt he ever sat for a decent conversation with his daughter, he probably thinks that everyhing he considers to be right/moral/etc is a given without even talking about it.
I mean, he obviously failed to explain to his daughter that the basic chores she has to daily are part of her responsibilities & she has it easy and things will get a lot worse during her life, since there is no way that 15 minutes of work daily would produce that kind of angst from her,
dunno, I have a younger sister who is 16 atm and she bitches all the time. I just laugh at her and tell her to do the chores and gets rid of it without even thinking about it, it's a fast\efficient way to keep everyone happy.
Go pissed-off dad! Teenagers are capable of incredibly stupid and spiteful things - way to teach her that there are consequences to biting the hand that feeds. Can't say that I approve of using a gun when a hammer would have sufficed, but bully for you, angry dad!
Childish, sad and pathetic man showing such glee at getting one over on his 15 year old daughter who is completely in his power anyway. A fruitless gesture, a childish tantrum to go and destroy a piece of property in order to "make a point". Way to lead by example, you terrible parent.
He think's he'll get some sort of respect from this. He will get nothing from his daughter but contempt.
On February 12 2012 00:29 Nottoo wrote: Childish, sad and pathetic man showing such glee at getting one over on his 15 year old daughter who is completely in his power anyway. A fruitless gesture, a childish tantrum to go and destroy a piece of property in order to "make a point". Way to lead by example, you terrible parent.
He think's he'll get some sort of respect from this. He will get nothing from his daughter but contempt.
Sounds like that's par for the course since contempt was all he was getting before posting this video, lol.
What a disgusting control cowboy to a dad. She is a teenage girl ranting a bit on the internet year 2012 about her parents and chores. So instead of taking serious talkes with his daughter and talk about how she feels and make a deal about when and what chores she would like to help out with he sinks to her level by making a fucking video about it and gets to shoot a round with his gun, puts it on the internet (why?) and it goes viral. Good job dad! Way to go when you wanna connect and understand your kid.
He is also pathetic for bringing up how he worked and went to school at the same time when he was her age and therefor she should get a job. She is fucking 15 years old. You should encourage her to focus on her studies, friends and hobbies on the free time. Not push her to get a job and make her do chores like cooking you dinner, getting you coffee or fixing your garden.
And for you who says "he is paying for everything he is in charge/she should get a job to help paying for herself" should get a reality check. The parents decided to bring a new life to this world, they are obligated to provide her with roof over her head, clothes on her body, food and money till she is 18 years old and is still a student. Thats at least how it is where I live.
This video just showed the typical stereotype of american hill billy Southerners with cowboy hats and guns. :p
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
That's her responsibility isn't it? If she wants to be even more stuck up and disrespectful, that's fine, but from that point on she won't get off for free like she appearantly has been for quite a long time.
For the action she did she deserves the laptop to be shot. Everybody needs to vent, parents and children alike. But putting it on facebook as a way to get recognition and fame for it while antagonizing your parents to the world? Even the sheer audacity to blocking messages to your parents on a social network, while you KNOW that your dad is working in IT, of all the industries, shows some pretty bad cognitive skills.
firstly, he knowingly breached her privacy, which is wrong on so many levels. Sure, it's ok to do it when your kid is 8-12 years old, but parents should have basic respect for their kid's privacy by the time they are 16 years old. I'm not saying that the bitching on facebook to your friends is right, or that the tone in which her message was written is right, it's obviously a horrible thing to do, but she is a teenager. All teenagers bitch and whine, I remember whining to my friends about my parents all the time, it just wasn't over facebook. I mean, if the message was out only to her friends and just for bitching sake, I honestly don't see the difference and don't see what is wrong with it compared to going out and bitching to your friends just so you can bitch. There is no sure way of knowing it was hidden only from her parents or if it was posted only to a group of friends from this video anyway.
If you can't take some bitching from your kid in his teenage years, without flipping out and shooting your kid's laptop with a fucking .45 you shouldn't be a parent, period. 99% of kids ages 14-18 think their parents suck and make them work more than they should because they have "a feeling in their gut" they are better than almost every other social group out there. It's called being a teenager ffs.
I sincerely doubt he ever sat for a decent conversation with his daughter, he probably thinks that everyhing he considers to be right/moral/etc is a given without even talking about it.
I mean, he obviously failed to explain to his daughter that the basic chores she has to daily are part of her responsibilities & she has it easy and things will get a lot worse during her life, since there is no way that 15 minutes of work daily would produce that kind of angst from her,
dunno, I have a younger sister who is 16 atm and she bitches all the time. I just laugh at her and tell her to do the chores and gets rid of it without even thinking about it, it's a fast\efficient way to keep everyone happy.
First off, bitching to your friends is okay, putting it out there so everyone can go ahead and laugh about it is not.
This isn't like his daughter just didn't do her daily chores once and he flipped out in a dominating rage. This is her doing lots of shit on multiple occasions and to top it off breach the grounding rules and disrespect people that work for her on a daily basis so she can enjoy the good life. If you think that just chatting about responsibilities will get some people to understand you are sadly mistaken about how it is learned. Responsibility is something you learn in practice, not by simply doing chores because X said so. Most of her responsibilities were just basic things like making up your own bed and cleaning out the dishwasher and she goes about as if she's a slave worker dying to be freed from tyranny.
And lastly, its really freaking easy to look at your sister, who you don't have any responsibility to, and say you would do a better job because you can convince her to do something. But if you're a father, you're supposed to guide your child towards a functional adulthood. You can't sidestep that responsibility, because that would mean being absent. And being absent is just about the worst kind of parenting you can do.
I believe it is justified. She writes the post on Facebook to her parents not to her friends. Her dad went through all that trouble to help her with her computer etc and she just spits in their faces. Kids are spoiled these days and take advantage of their parents. Parents don't have the balls to do anything like this. He didn't do anything wrong, he bought that laptop which makes it his and he can shoot it if he wants to. Obviously if hes going to make a video like this and post it on the net which takes balls, just shows how much he actually cares and loves her. One day when that kid is older she will understand why her dad did this and will thank him. For all you people that think he wasn't doing the right thing, did you even listen to what he was saying? Her chores are so easy which take max 15 minutes to do, her life is so easy, she makes fun of a women that isn't even a cleaning lady. Good job Dad Im proud of you.
On February 12 2012 00:37 Gosi wrote: What a disgusting control cowboy to a dad. She is a teenage girl ranting a bit on the internet year 2012 about her parents and chores. So instead of taking serious talkes with his daughter and talk about how she feels and make a deal about when and what chores she would like to help out with he sinks to her level by making a fucking video about it and gets to shoot a round with his gun, puts it on the internet (why?) and it goes viral. Good job dad! Way to go when you wanna connect and understand your kid.
He is also pathetic for bringing up how he worked and went to school at the same time when he was her age and therefor she should get a job. She is fucking 15 years old. You should encourage her to focus on her studies, friends and hobbies on the free time. Not push her to get a job and make her do chores like cooking you dinner, getting you coffee or fixing your garden.
And for you who says "he is paying for everything he is in charge/she should get a job to help paying for herself" should get a reality check. The parents decided to bring a new life to this world, they are obligated to provide her with roof over her head, clothes on her body, food and money till she is 18 years old and is still a student. Thats at least how it is where I live.
This video just showed the typical stereotype of american hill billy Southerners with cowboy hats and guns. :p
I don't get why so many European posters are treating this guy like some kind of malevolent dictator. Both my parents came from the old world, and they would have beaten my ass if I'd said something like "I can't wait until you're old and helpless so that I can make you suffer" just because I didn't want to do the dishes and make my bed, LOL. Has Europe's parenting style become so different in the last ten years?
I mean, is that kind of behavior normal? I hear some pretty bad stories about my nephews in Britain, but is it really normal that a fifteen-year-old can treat her parents like shit while doing basically nothing in return?
And are people really suggesting that he's a bad guy for wanting his daughter to have some kind of job? Is it really considered unreasonable for a kid to have a part-time job while they're in middle school? I mean, my father had me making salads and washing dishes in his kitchen after school when I was fourteen, and it wasn't really that bad - not remotely as bad as working and going to law school at the same time when I was in my twenties. Are people suggesting that kids are entitled to complete and unmitigated free time once they finish a few hours of school every day?
Or do we have a disproportionate number of young people on Team Liquid, skewing the responses to this post? I think that's the most likely scenario, lol.
the point is, there is a whole plethora of wrong and right actions he could have done to deal with the situation, and he chose the exact same thing a raging teenage boy with an access to a gun would do. For me, this is just parenting fail.
Also, not having any responsibility to my sister, wat? She is not my daughter, but I wouldn't ever classify it as having no responsibility to her, rofl. Our age difference is +11 in favor of me, a few years more and I could have been her father. When she was 2-3 years old, I changed her diapers, I was the babysitter my parents needed when they had to go away from the house etc, and I'm taking part in providing for her financially. No responsibilites, eh.
On February 12 2012 00:37 Gosi wrote: What a disgusting control cowboy to a dad. She is a teenage girl ranting a bit on the internet year 2012 about her parents and chores. So instead of taking serious talkes with his daughter and talk about how she feels and make a deal about when and what chores she would like to help out with he sinks to her level by making a fucking video about it and gets to shoot a round with his gun, puts it on the internet (why?) and it goes viral. Good job dad! Way to go when you wanna connect and understand your kid.
He is also pathetic for bringing up how he worked and went to school at the same time when he was her age and therefor she should get a job. She is fucking 15 years old. You should encourage her to focus on her studies, friends and hobbies on the free time. Not push her to get a job and make her do chores like cooking you dinner, getting you coffee or fixing your garden.
And for you who says "he is paying for everything he is in charge/she should get a job to help paying for herself" should get a reality check. The parents decided to bring a new life to this world, they are obligated to provide her with roof over her head, clothes on her body, food and money till she is 18 years old and is still a student. Thats at least how it is where I live.
This video just showed the typical stereotype of american hill billy Southerners with cowboy hats and guns. :p
I don't get why so many European posters are treating this guy like some kind of malevolent dictator. Both my parents came from the old world, and they would have beaten my ass if I'd said something like "I can't wait until you're old and helpless so that I can make you suffer" just because I didn't want to do the dishes and make my bed, LOL. Has Europe's parenting style become so different in the last ten years?
I mean, is that kind of behavior normal? I hear some pretty bad stories about my nephews in Britain, but is it really normal that a fifteen-year-old can treat her parents like shit while doing basically nothing in return?
And are people really suggesting that he's a bad guy for wanting his daughter to have some kind of job? Is it really considered unreasonable for a kid to have a part-time job while they're in middle school? I mean, my father had me making salads and washing dishes in his kitchen after school when I was fourteen, and it wasn't really that bad - not remotely as bad as working and going to law school at the same time when I was in my twenties. Are people suggesting that kids are entitled to complete and unmitigated free time once they finish a few hours of school every day?
Or do we have a disproportionate number of young people on Team Liquid, skewing the responses to this post? I think that's the most likely scenario, lol.
You're one to talk about skewing responses, many of the 'European posters' aren't saying that 'it's normal for a fifteen year old to treat their parents like shit', or that 'he's a bad guy for wanting his daughter to have some kind of job?'. We're saying that it's ridiculous that he's choosing to discipline his child for something, relatively trivial by shooting (that means using a lethal weapon) an inanimate object which has meaning to the child.
What a waste of a laptop. He could have donated it to someone who needed it. I wonder if he took the time to go through and save important documents she may have been using for school.
Well, I mean who didnt bitch about his parents when we were around "that" age? The only difference is, that I talked to ppl and didnt post anything on the internet (which is pretty stupid to do imo).
Guess I wouldnt take it as serious as he did and just let her bitch and complain about that cruel cruel world she is facing when being 15years old. Still a bit punishement should be. Taking away her laptop and giving her a blackboard and some chalk so she can write on a wall would be damn funny though :D
On February 12 2012 00:37 Gosi wrote: What a disgusting control cowboy to a dad. She is a teenage girl ranting a bit on the internet year 2012 about her parents and chores. So instead of taking serious talkes with his daughter and talk about how she feels and make a deal about when and what chores she would like to help out with he sinks to her level by making a fucking video about it and gets to shoot a round with his gun, puts it on the internet (why?) and it goes viral. Good job dad! Way to go when you wanna connect and understand your kid.
He is also pathetic for bringing up how he worked and went to school at the same time when he was her age and therefor she should get a job. She is fucking 15 years old. You should encourage her to focus on her studies, friends and hobbies on the free time. Not push her to get a job and make her do chores like cooking you dinner, getting you coffee or fixing your garden.
And for you who says "he is paying for everything he is in charge/she should get a job to help paying for herself" should get a reality check. The parents decided to bring a new life to this world, they are obligated to provide her with roof over her head, clothes on her body, food and money till she is 18 years old and is still a student. Thats at least how it is where I live.
This video just showed the typical stereotype of american hill billy Southerners with cowboy hats and guns. :p
I don't get why so many European posters are treating this guy like some kind of malevolent dictator. Both my parents came from the old world, and they would have beaten my ass if I'd said something like "I can't wait until you're old and helpless so that I can make you suffer" just because I didn't want to do the dishes and make my bed, LOL. Has Europe's parenting style become so different in the last ten years?
I mean, is that kind of behavior normal? I hear some pretty bad stories about my nephews in Britain, but is it really normal that a fifteen-year-old can treat her parents like shit while doing basically nothing in return?
And are people really suggesting that he's a bad guy for wanting his daughter to have some kind of job? Is it really considered unreasonable for a kid to have a part-time job while they're in middle school? I mean, my father had me making salads and washing dishes in his kitchen after school when I was fourteen, and it wasn't really that bad - not remotely as bad as working and going to law school at the same time when I was in my twenties. Are people suggesting that kids are entitled to complete and unmitigated free time once they finish a few hours of school every day?
Or do we have a disproportionate number of young people on Team Liquid, skewing the responses to this post? I think that's the most likely scenario, lol.
You're one to Skew responses, many of the 'European posters' aren't saying that 'it's normal for a fifteen year old to treat their parents like shit', or that 'he's a bad guy for wanting his daughter to have some kind of job?'. We're saying that it's ridiculous that he's choosing to discipline his child for something, relatively trivial by shooting (that means using a lethal weapon) an inanimate object which has meaning to the child.
What KryptoStorm said.
I also wants to add that in many countries in Europe it's illegal to work as a kid. For the most part there is a law that you have to go to school till you are 16 or 18 (different for each country) I believe, after that you can quit and start to work if you so want. But no, you can't go to school as a 14-15 year old and then take a part time job because you wouldn't be able to get paid. What you can do is during the ~3 month summer vacation each year between the ages of 16 and 19 you can get a "summer job" to make money during the summer because you don't get money from going to school during this period.
On February 12 2012 00:37 Gosi wrote: What a disgusting control cowboy to a dad. She is a teenage girl ranting a bit on the internet year 2012 about her parents and chores. So instead of taking serious talkes with his daughter and talk about how she feels and make a deal about when and what chores she would like to help out with he sinks to her level by making a fucking video about it and gets to shoot a round with his gun, puts it on the internet (why?) and it goes viral. Good job dad! Way to go when you wanna connect and understand your kid.
He is also pathetic for bringing up how he worked and went to school at the same time when he was her age and therefor she should get a job. She is fucking 15 years old. You should encourage her to focus on her studies, friends and hobbies on the free time. Not push her to get a job and make her do chores like cooking you dinner, getting you coffee or fixing your garden.
And for you who says "he is paying for everything he is in charge/she should get a job to help paying for herself" should get a reality check. The parents decided to bring a new life to this world, they are obligated to provide her with roof over her head, clothes on her body, food and money till she is 18 years old and is still a student. Thats at least how it is where I live.
This video just showed the typical stereotype of american hill billy Southerners with cowboy hats and guns. :p
I don't get why so many European posters are treating this guy like some kind of malevolent dictator. Both my parents came from the old world, and they would have beaten my ass if I'd said something like "I can't wait until you're old and helpless so that I can make you suffer" just because I didn't want to do the dishes and make my bed, LOL. Has Europe's parenting style become so different in the last ten years?
I mean, is that kind of behavior normal? I hear some pretty bad stories about my nephews in Britain, but is it really normal that a fifteen-year-old can treat her parents like shit while doing basically nothing in return?
And are people really suggesting that he's a bad guy for wanting his daughter to have some kind of job? Is it really considered unreasonable for a kid to have a part-time job while they're in middle school? I mean, my father had me making salads and washing dishes in his kitchen after school when I was fourteen, and it wasn't really that bad - not remotely as bad as working and going to law school at the same time when I was in my twenties. Are people suggesting that kids are entitled to complete and unmitigated free time once they finish a few hours of school every day?
Or do we have a disproportionate number of young people on Team Liquid, skewing the responses to this post? I think that's the most likely scenario, lol.
What KryptoStorm said.
I also wants to add that in many countries in Europe it's illegal to work as a kid. For the most part there is a law that you have to go to school till you are 16 or 18 (different for each country) I believe, after that you can quit and start to work if you so want. But no, you can't go to school as a 14-15 year old and then take a part time job because you wouldn't be able to get paid. What you can do is during the ~3 month summer vacation each year between the ages of 16 and 19 you can get a "summer job" to make money during the summer because you don't get money from going to school during this period.
And this is not the same as helping your dad out after school each day.
On February 12 2012 00:37 Gosi wrote: What a disgusting control cowboy to a dad. She is a teenage girl ranting a bit on the internet year 2012 about her parents and chores. So instead of taking serious talkes with his daughter and talk about how she feels and make a deal about when and what chores she would like to help out with he sinks to her level by making a fucking video about it and gets to shoot a round with his gun, puts it on the internet (why?) and it goes viral. Good job dad! Way to go when you wanna connect and understand your kid.
He is also pathetic for bringing up how he worked and went to school at the same time when he was her age and therefor she should get a job. She is fucking 15 years old. You should encourage her to focus on her studies, friends and hobbies on the free time. Not push her to get a job and make her do chores like cooking you dinner, getting you coffee or fixing your garden.
And for you who says "he is paying for everything he is in charge/she should get a job to help paying for herself" should get a reality check. The parents decided to bring a new life to this world, they are obligated to provide her with roof over her head, clothes on her body, food and money till she is 18 years old and is still a student. Thats at least how it is where I live.
This video just showed the typical stereotype of american hill billy Southerners with cowboy hats and guns. :p
I don't get why so many European posters are treating this guy like some kind of malevolent dictator. Both my parents came from the old world, and they would have beaten my ass if I'd said something like "I can't wait until you're old and helpless so that I can make you suffer" just because I didn't want to do the dishes and make my bed, LOL. Has Europe's parenting style become so different in the last ten years?
I mean, is that kind of behavior normal? I hear some pretty bad stories about my nephews in Britain, but is it really normal that a fifteen-year-old can treat her parents like shit while doing basically nothing in return?
And are people really suggesting that he's a bad guy for wanting his daughter to have some kind of job? Is it really considered unreasonable for a kid to have a part-time job while they're in middle school? I mean, my father had me making salads and washing dishes in his kitchen after school when I was fourteen, and it wasn't really that bad - not remotely as bad as working and going to law school at the same time when I was in my twenties. Are people suggesting that kids are entitled to complete and unmitigated free time once they finish a few hours of school every day?
Or do we have a disproportionate number of young people on Team Liquid, skewing the responses to this post? I think that's the most likely scenario, lol.
You're one to Skew responses, many of the 'European posters' aren't saying that 'it's normal for a fifteen year old to treat their parents like shit', or that 'he's a bad guy for wanting his daughter to have some kind of job?'. We're saying that it's ridiculous that he's choosing to discipline his child for something, relatively trivial by shooting (that means using a lethal weapon) an inanimate object which has meaning to the child.
What KryptoStorm said.
I also wants to add that in many countries in Europe it's illegal to work as a kid. For the most part there is a law that you have to go to school till you are 16 or 18 (different for each country) I believe, after that you can quit and start to work if you so want. But no, you can't go to school as a 14-15 year old and then take a part time job because you wouldn't be able to get paid. What you can do is during the ~3 month summer vacation each year between the ages of 16 and 19 you can get a "summer job" to make money during the summer because you don't get money from going to school during this period.
Guns are also pretty rare in most European countries.
Indeed, summer jobs are pretty normal, and are great to earn a bit of money and some experience, they can even be fun!
Keep in mind that he is also trying to spread a message to other people. That's the point of this, and after all he is an IT guy so this is how most IT guys would do it.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'?
What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video).
positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager?
Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder?
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
I never realized just how scared europeans are of guns. I think that many responses in this thread would be totally different if the dad had just used a sledgehammer instead of a gun. Btw I think he was totally justified and this was a great way of getting his point across.
hes more of a child then his daughter. he shouldve thought about what it means to be a father before becoming one. obviously what the child did was wrong, but thats what most childs do everyday. And to be honest, im not sure who i believe more: a) the girl who wrote a letter b) the guy who shoots bullets on a laptop (texas???). And btw: even without destroying the laptop, my view on things would be the same... just doing such a video in public is like doing exactly what the daughter did, just 3 times worse. burning someone alive because he killed someone he probably even had reasons for? texas logic applies!
when i see this, im just glad i have the parents i have and not such an ... of a father. This guy feels like he lives 100 years too late.
On February 12 2012 01:06 Tnerb wrote: I never realized just how scared europeans are of guns. I think that many responses in this thread would be totally different if the dad had just used a sledgehammer instead of a gun. Btw I think he was totally justified and this was a great way of getting his point across.
Hahahahaahaha, Yes we're very scared of guns, silly us being scared of a lethal weapon which can kill multiple people within seconds.
On February 12 2012 01:06 Tnerb wrote: I never realized just how scared europeans are of guns. I think that many responses in this thread would be totally different if the dad had just used a sledgehammer instead of a gun. Btw I think he was totally justified and this was a great way of getting his point across.
I wish he had used a sledgehammer or a baseball bat.
Had he used that, people would be reacting entirely differently because then you would see him for what he was.
An adult throwing a tantrum.
Now he has a gun and he can destroy it without any effort.
That was really cool! I always wanted to know what it would look like to shoot a computer. That reminds me of the n64 007 goldeneye game, haha. And as far as the girl goes, hopefully she learns her lesson... teenagers really do tend to blow things out of proportion, the chores probably weren't that bad and it really would be good for her to get out and get a job. I guess if she wants a computer now she'll have to work pretty soon.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
That's her responsibility isn't it? If she wants to be even more stuck up and disrespectful, that's fine, but from that point on she won't get off for free like she appearantly has been for quite a long time.
For the action she did she deserves the laptop to be shot. Everybody needs to vent, parents and children alike. But putting it on facebook as a way to get recognition and fame for it while antagonizing your parents to the world? Even the sheer audacity to blocking messages to your parents on a social network, while you KNOW that your dad is working in IT, of all the industries, shows some pretty bad cognitive skills.
and doing the exact same thing as a father gets what point across? Is it right because he did it, or wrong because he said it? Do actions speak louder than words?
On February 11 2012 12:28 Shiragaku wrote: Well I personally believe teenagers should learn to question their parents authority at times which all of my peers agree, but they seem to abuse it too fucking much.
If you are going to rebel, at least learn to sustain yourself. Teenagers forget how much their parents provide in their life.
its the parents responsibility to provide some things for their children. its THEM who decided to get a child, you didnt decide to be born. You are not their slaves.
obviously, this doesnt fit into this context here, because the daughter is obviously silly and does stuff most childs have to do anyway because this is how society works and how it should be to some extend.
But its just my overall view on things - ppl who say children have a dept to pay for their parents because they raised you are simply wrong. if they did a good job on it and you love each other, thats the case. If they treated you like a douche, do the same to them. Just the fact them being your parents doesnt satisfy any responsibility from a childs point of view. On the other hand, the parents HAVE a responsibilty no matter what at least till you are adult.
sry for my so-so english, i might express some things i want to say a bit strange.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'?
What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video).
positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager?
Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder?
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
It sounds like you feel he shouldn't have gotten her the laptop, phone, ipod, etc unless she was already being a very good girl. If she wasn't, he could explain that she can has them once she does her chores regularly and doesn't do forbidden things online, or whatever. There is definitely logic to this.
However, if she still persisted to be like this (doing the wrong things, complaining about chores, etc) despite the motivation to be a good daughter (and get a laptop, phone, ipod, etc) the dad would have to withhold those items from her. Would it be okay for the dad to not allow his daughter to have a laptop, phone, and ipod?
Your typical spoiled brat. 15 with a roof on her head, has parents who are still together and care for her, and also provide for her.. yea, her life is "terrible" alright. Shit, he's also supportive in helping her find a job. Honestly, what more could you ask for? She probably wouldn't even have as many chores if she picked up a job - that's how it seems to work from what i've noticed.
With that being said, I don't know how I feel about this method of parenting. Personally, i'd probably get a pretty big ass beating if my dad found anything like that, though, so i'm sure posting a video of ranting isn't so bad. So clearly, there's a problem that needed to be addressed in the household. He was probably going to take the laptop away no matter what, but shooting it just makes it more extreme. It's technically his laptop though, so he can do whatever the hell he wants. At the end of the day, the problem was addressed. This could cause more tension in the household, but overall, something had to be done about her.
The kid was disrespectful, which isn't good no. But she's 15, and if she wants to moan to her friends, as all kids do, then it's not that big a deal. There are some points which are relevant but I feel more like the Dad has his pride hurt and he's being a bit immature about it.
He says he grounded her for three months, took her laptop and phone etc away, for something childish that he can't remember. Well she's 15, I'd expect her to be a bit childish, and that punishment is way over the top.
Although she should get on with her minimal chores and stop being lazy.
lol @ people saying he's an "adult throwing a tantrum". honestly? I don't see him complaining and screaming like a little girl, he's addressing his concerns in a logical manner. Though most people think he's being mean and unfair for shooting her laptop, it really shouldn't be a big deal. He's just showing off his ability to take away what he's given to her.
And to be honest, by the sound of it, she's gotten away with too much. Complaining about a few little chores that your father makes you do is absurd, if she's seriously become so disrespectful over a small amount of work that should be part of a contribution to a family anyway, then I don't want to know what she's like in real life.
I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'?
What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video).
positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager?
Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder?
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
It sounds like you feel he shouldn't have gotten her the laptop, phone, ipod, etc unless she was already being a very good girl. If she wasn't, he could explain that she can has them once she does her chores regularly and doesn't do forbidden things online, or whatever. There is definitely logic to this.
However, if she still persisted to be like this (doing the wrong things, complaining about chores, etc) despite the motivation to be a good daughter (and get a laptop, phone, ipod, etc) the dad would have to withhold those items from her. Would it be okay for the dad to not allow his daughter to have a laptop, phone, and ipod?
there is more than one way to do positive reinforcement. there are a shitton of things parents do for their kids to provide for them and make their lives easier. Gadgets are not the only things he could have "denied" from her. Yeah, it's probably wrong for a kid these days not to have a laptop, but he could have bought her a $200 netbook she couldn't use for anyhing else other than schoolwork and facebook. He could have denied her his full day work on her laptop and the 130$ because he had to do her chores instead of her and didn't have time to do it. He could give her an allowance for doing her chores and let her save some money up and buy a phone/ipod/new shoes/whatever she wants if she saves it up. He could not drive her somewhere because she didn't do her chores etc etc.
Giving something to a kid and subsequently destroying it is wrong. It wasn't her laptop then, it was his laptop if he was able to do that. In his mind he owns the kid and everything he bought her. Seems wrong to me.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'?
What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video).
positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager?
Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder?
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
First off, I view this as a parent disciplining his daughter in the same way his daughter bad mouthed him (clever imo). I'm inclined to believe you don't give your daughter a laptop if you are a psycho who wants to ruin her life. AND he didn't post it around the internet, he posted on his daughters facebook and the internet posted it around the internet. I just can't agree with the insinuation of a psycho, it's just an attempt at demonizing a normal thing.
Also, positive reinforcement without anything about negative unforcement? I don't really know what word I was looking for but the point I would like to make is that the style of parenting the dad goes for is incredibly effective. It's what my own father did when I was growing and responsibilities are impossible to complain about...it just works. He wouldn't do everything he did if the girl was acting as a responsible young adult.
Plus, you know how people are being stupid and complaining about the new SC2 Patch with theorycraft? Read:
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
Actually he is just parenting, as is apparent from this video.
Plus the chore can and should be justified as something you should eventually do yourself and as something that will give you a little work ethic, which is also beneficial. Not "heres your reward for putting away the dishes, making your bed, and wiping down the table as well as occasionally getting me a cup of coffee". I would argue things like the laptop are an unspoken reward as is.
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On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'?
What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video).
positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager?
Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder?
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
It sounds like you feel he shouldn't have gotten her the laptop, phone, ipod, etc unless she was already being a very good girl. If she wasn't, he could explain that she can has them once she does her chores regularly and doesn't do forbidden things online, or whatever. There is definitely logic to this.
However, if she still persisted to be like this (doing the wrong things, complaining about chores, etc) despite the motivation to be a good daughter (and get a laptop, phone, ipod, etc) the dad would have to withhold those items from her. Would it be okay for the dad to not allow his daughter to have a laptop, phone, and ipod?
I agree with this point actually. However, it's also a sad fact of american lifestyle that it is assumed for most children to auto-have a phone, ipod, and laptop. The father made the decision for his daughter to be normal in that regard I guess, with the expectation that responsibility and respectfulness would occur. And if I was a kid I wouldn't won't the responsibility into those things approach, I would want them through the christmas birthday approach.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'?
What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video).
positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager?
Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder?
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
It sounds like you feel he shouldn't have gotten her the laptop, phone, ipod, etc unless she was already being a very good girl. If she wasn't, he could explain that she can has them once she does her chores regularly and doesn't do forbidden things online, or whatever. There is definitely logic to this.
However, if she still persisted to be like this (doing the wrong things, complaining about chores, etc) despite the motivation to be a good daughter (and get a laptop, phone, ipod, etc) the dad would have to withhold those items from her. Would it be okay for the dad to not allow his daughter to have a laptop, phone, and ipod?
there is more than one way to do positive reinforcement. there are a shitton of things parents do for their kids to provide for them and make their lives easier. Gadgets are not the only things he could have "denied" from her. Yeah, it's probably wrong for a kid these days not to have a laptop, but he could have bought her a $200 netbook she couldn't use for anyhing else other than schoolwork and facebook. He could have denied her his full day work on her laptop and the 130$ because he had to do her chores instead of her and didn't have time to do it. He could give her an allowance for doing her chores and let her save some money up and buy a phone/ipod/new shoes/whatever she wants if she saves it up. He could not drive her somewhere because she didn't do her chores etc etc.
How is not driving her somewhere because she didn't do her chores different in nature from permanently taking her laptop because she didn't do her chores?
Other than that question, I pretty much agree. However, you are actually holding this parent to a standard higher than what the majority of parents are like. A lot of people in this thread are acting like his negative rather than positive reinforcement here actually puts him in the bottom 10% of parents, which isn't true at all.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'?
What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video).
positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager?
Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder?
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
First off, I view this as a parent disciplining his daughter in the same way his daughter bad mouthed him (clever imo). I'm inclined to believe you don't give your daughter a laptop if you are a psycho who wants to ruin her life. AND he didn't post it around the internet, he posted on his daughters facebook and the internet posted it around the internet. I just can't agree with the insinuation of a psycho, it's just an attempt at demonizing a normal thing.
Also, positive reinforcement without anything about negative unforcement? I don't really know what word I was looking for but the point I would like to make is that the style of parenting the dad goes for is incredibly effective. It's what my own father did when I was growing and responsibilities are impossible to complain about...it just works. He wouldn't do everything he did if the girl was acting as a responsible young adult.
Plus, you know how people are being stupid and complaining about the new SC2 Patch with theorycraft? Read:
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
Actually he is just parenting, as is apparent from this video.
Plus the chore can and should be justified as something you should eventually do yourself and as something that will give you a little work ethic, which is also beneficial. Not "heres your reward for putting away the dishes, making your bed, and wiping down the table as well as occasionally getting me a cup of coffee". I would argue things like the laptop are an unspoken reward as is.
On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
Tough love parenting is one thing. Not thinking about the ramifications of putting this video on the net is another. It's now viral and it will probably lead to problems for the girl. 15 is a sensitive age and having your dad talk shit about you on a 10+ million view youtube video isn't really gonna help her popularity. There's been several examples of youtube "hits" where the kids in the videos get constantly bullied and have to move schools.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'?
What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video).
positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager?
Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder?
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
First off, I view this as a parent disciplining his daughter in the same way his daughter bad mouthed him (clever imo). I'm inclined to believe you don't give your daughter a laptop if you are a psycho who wants to ruin her life. AND he didn't post it around the internet, he posted on his daughters facebook and the internet posted it around the internet. I just can't agree with the insinuation of a psycho, it's just an attempt at demonizing a normal thing.
Also, positive reinforcement without anything about negative unforcement? I don't really know what word I was looking for but the point I would like to make is that the style of parenting the dad goes for is incredibly effective. It's what my own father did when I was growing and responsibilities are impossible to complain about...it just works. He wouldn't do everything he did if the girl was acting as a responsible young adult.
Plus, you know how people are being stupid and complaining about the new SC2 Patch with theorycraft? Read:
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
Actually he is just parenting, as is apparent from this video.
Plus the chore can and should be justified as something you should eventually do yourself and as something that will give you a little work ethic, which is also beneficial. Not "heres your reward for putting away the dishes, making your bed, and wiping down the table as well as occasionally getting me a cup of coffee". I would argue things like the laptop are an unspoken reward as is.
On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
I agree with you. Negative unforcement is also a valid choice, as is tough love. If you can't get your point across with positive reinforcement or something similar, you gotta do what you gotta do to make the kid understand. It's kind of wrong of me to actually discuss here because I have absolutely no idea about the backstory of the incident discussed other than "she did something stupid and childish some time ago and she got grounded for 3 months". If they tried their best with positive reinforcement, and other more humane methods, and this is a result of the dad freaking out after years of her being a spoiled brat - it's ok. As an incident taken completely out of context - what he did is wrong.
I don't think we can pass true judgement on this case until we know the true story - the daughter would have us believe that it takes her 6+ hours to do her chores while the father would have us believe it takes her like 30 minutes. That's a huge discrepancy, but If the Dad's side of the story is accurate, I would say he is justified to be mad and take away privileges like the computer and phone but he is not justified to make a youtube video about it.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'?
What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video).
positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager?
Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder?
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
First off, I view this as a parent disciplining his daughter in the same way his daughter bad mouthed him (clever imo). I'm inclined to believe you don't give your daughter a laptop if you are a psycho who wants to ruin her life. AND he didn't post it around the internet, he posted on his daughters facebook and the internet posted it around the internet. I just can't agree with the insinuation of a psycho, it's just an attempt at demonizing a normal thing.
Also, positive reinforcement without anything about negative unforcement? I don't really know what word I was looking for but the point I would like to make is that the style of parenting the dad goes for is incredibly effective. It's what my own father did when I was growing and responsibilities are impossible to complain about...it just works. He wouldn't do everything he did if the girl was acting as a responsible young adult.
Plus, you know how people are being stupid and complaining about the new SC2 Patch with theorycraft? Read:
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
Actually he is just parenting, as is apparent from this video.
Plus the chore can and should be justified as something you should eventually do yourself and as something that will give you a little work ethic, which is also beneficial. Not "heres your reward for putting away the dishes, making your bed, and wiping down the table as well as occasionally getting me a cup of coffee". I would argue things like the laptop are an unspoken reward as is.
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On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
Tough love parenting is one thing. Not thinking about the ramifications of putting this video on the net is another. It's now viral and it will probably lead to problems for the girl. 15 is a sensitive age and having your dad talk shit about you on a 10+ million view youtube video isn't really gonna help her popularity. There's been several examples of youtube "hits" where the kids in the videos get constantly bullied and have to move schools.
I guess I would argue it's part of the parenting style he goes for?
Example: If I give you the privilege of having a laptop, do chores. If you want a new camera, get a job. If you post on the internet how you hate me which can be seen by anyone(really, if you block your parents on facebook why the fuck wouldn't they check what you do when they are on your computer, stupid girl), you should be able to deal with my response on the internet being seen by anyone.
Besides, no one has seen the girl. Her school is the only one that really knows..but I do see your point and hope it's not valid.
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On February 12 2012 01:36 Maxie wrote: Wait, she was bitching about her parents in a private conversation with her friends via facebook? If so, holy batman give her some privacy ;S
Well, it's more like a public posts all your friends can see and like and comment about. And really, blocking your parents on facebook means your parents probably should check out your facebook for some reason or another.
He was right to reprimand her & punish her but wrong in the way he did it (so publicly); his method will only embarass her and drive her further away. I get where he is coming from though. IDK how it is in Europe, but in America there is a serious epidemic of spoiled, entitled kids. This coming from someone who spends 6 hours a day with 14 yr old.
I disagree that parents should not snoop in to the lives of minors who they support. They just need to be very careful about what is private and what isn't. This girl already proved once that she wasn't trustworthy. It would be a different issue if she was older or had never done something like this before.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
I'm not going to say the guy in the video did everything right... but how would you have not 'failed to teach her some basic responsibilities'?
What would be your methodology to teach her not to be like this, and how would it be better than what he has done (at least until this video).
positive reinforcement, instead of buying her laptops/cameras/phones and then destroying shit when you flip out because she hurt your feelings because she is a whiny teenager?
Don't make the chores be done because of the chores or because someone says so, but because you will reward her in the end? This kind of approach goes much further and you can teach kids the very easy causal relationship between work->reward that many kids just don't get because they get everything served on a pladder?
there are many things he could have done better as a parent, as is apparent from this video.
It sounds like you feel he shouldn't have gotten her the laptop, phone, ipod, etc unless she was already being a very good girl. If she wasn't, he could explain that she can has them once she does her chores regularly and doesn't do forbidden things online, or whatever. There is definitely logic to this.
However, if she still persisted to be like this (doing the wrong things, complaining about chores, etc) despite the motivation to be a good daughter (and get a laptop, phone, ipod, etc) the dad would have to withhold those items from her. Would it be okay for the dad to not allow his daughter to have a laptop, phone, and ipod?
there is more than one way to do positive reinforcement. there are a shitton of things parents do for their kids to provide for them and make their lives easier. Gadgets are not the only things he could have "denied" from her. Yeah, it's probably wrong for a kid these days not to have a laptop, but he could have bought her a $200 netbook she couldn't use for anyhing else other than schoolwork and facebook. He could have denied her his full day work on her laptop and the 130$ because he had to do her chores instead of her and didn't have time to do it. He could give her an allowance for doing her chores and let her save some money up and buy a phone/ipod/new shoes/whatever she wants if she saves it up. He could not drive her somewhere because she didn't do her chores etc etc.
How is not driving her somewhere because she didn't do her chores different in nature from permanently taking her laptop because she didn't do her chores?
Other than that question, I pretty much agree. However, you are actually holding this parent to a standard higher than what the majority of parents are like. A lot of people in this thread are acting like his negative rather than positive reinforcement here actually puts him in the bottom 10% of parents, which isn't true at all.
well, it's not different. It's all pretty similar, I don't know. But sometimes maybe it would be better suited to not take away a laptop for two weeks, but tell her you won't be driving your kid to somewhere where he can walk in 30min or take a bike for 10 minutes. Whatever gets the point you are making across and is most suited for a situation.
On February 11 2012 23:49 leser wrote: he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
That's her responsibility isn't it? If she wants to be even more stuck up and disrespectful, that's fine, but from that point on she won't get off for free like she appearantly has been for quite a long time.
For the action she did she deserves the laptop to be shot. Everybody needs to vent, parents and children alike. But putting it on facebook as a way to get recognition and fame for it while antagonizing your parents to the world? Even the sheer audacity to blocking messages to your parents on a social network, while you KNOW that your dad is working in IT, of all the industries, shows some pretty bad cognitive skills.
firstly, he knowingly breached her privacy, which is wrong on so many levels. Sure, it's ok to do it when your kid is 8-12 years old, but parents should have basic respect for their kid's privacy by the time they are 16 years old. I'm not saying that the bitching on facebook to your friends is right, or that the tone in which her message was written is right, it's obviously a horrible thing to do, but she is a teenager. All teenagers bitch and whine, I remember whining to my friends about my parents all the time, it just wasn't over facebook. I mean, if the message was out only to her friends and just for bitching sake, I honestly don't see the difference and don't see what is wrong with it compared to going out and bitching to your friends just so you can bitch. There is no sure way of knowing it was hidden only from her parents or if it was posted only to a group of friends from this video anyway.
If you can't take some bitching from your kid in his teenage years, without flipping out and shooting your kid's laptop with a fucking .45 you shouldn't be a parent, period. 99% of kids ages 14-18 think their parents suck and make them work more than they should because they have "a feeling in their gut" they are better than almost every other social group out there. It's called being a teenager ffs.
I sincerely doubt he ever sat for a decent conversation with his daughter, he probably thinks that everyhing he considers to be right/moral/etc is a given without even talking about it.
I mean, he obviously failed to explain to his daughter that the basic chores she has to daily are part of her responsibilities & she has it easy and things will get a lot worse during her life, since there is no way that 15 minutes of work daily would produce that kind of angst from her,
dunno, I have a younger sister who is 16 atm and she bitches all the time. I just laugh at her and tell her to do the chores and gets rid of it without even thinking about it, it's a fast\efficient way to keep everyone happy.
Facebook and privacy =\ ya those dont really go together
On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable.
If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
With a parent like that, its not wonder that the girl turned out as bad as she did. Good parenting is hard, especially if you were never taught by good parents to begin with and the idiots she hangs out with were also raised by bad parents.
Well you know what he could of gone a different route, but i think an important point people are overlooking is this girl is obviously someone who feels entitled to everything. At one point she calls the lady a "house cleaner" which the man obviously takes great offense because he says "She has done more than you have ever done" and that she isn't a house cleaner...Right or wrong who cares, everyone parents a different way. As long as he didn't physically abuse her i don't see the problem.
On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable.
If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
You honestly think the jobless 15 year old bought the laptop with her own money? No the dad did so he can do what he wants with it.
On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable.
If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
I can see the logic behind this, i don't know you but i'm going to light your door on fire. OK that makes sense try a better analogy.
Compared to her dad shot her computer? I can guarantee you her father bought her that laptop this girl does not sound like the type who goes out and does her own work.
On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable.
If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
You honestly think the jobless 15 year old bought the laptop with her own money? No the dad did so he can do what he wants with it.
so if you buy something to someone it's still yours to do as you please? Good to know.
it's funny because he reffered to it as "her" laptop throughout the video while in his mind it was obviously his laptop. :D
On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable.
If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
Flawed logic. He has control of her computer because until she is 18 she essentially is his property.(Theoretically, no slavery argument). So he can do whatever he wants to "her" which is really his property. It's reasonable parenting, I mean the bullet payment isn't that reasonable but it's acceptable. It can be equated to making her pay for a window she broke playing baseball. Atleast she doesn't have to pay for the laptop :D
and your counterargument is the strawman argument. arguing against something that is close to what I said to make yourself seem right and me stupid.
On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable.
If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
You honestly think the jobless 15 year old bought the laptop with her own money? No the dad did so he can do what he wants with it.
so if you buy something to someone it's still yours to do as you please? Good to know.
I'll just give you the discussion on this from yesterday, it is good to know.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
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On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Hey, im that guy you talked about the property.
children are like property of parents, but because of this the law protects them.
for example mandatory school you must feed you children child abuse is illegal. you cannot kill them
however, for purposes like this, they can be considered your property. and if your property has a laptop you put their, you can shoot it with a gun.
also, it isnt stealing if the dad takes it. ofcourse you cant steal. idealism<reality of the law. the school can punish students because the law says they act as parents during the school day. therefore, the school can do something like go on her facebook and take away her laptop too, albeit less extreme.
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On February 12 2012 01:44 Geiko wrote: This girl is going to get a ton of shit at school now that this video is viral.
Great parenting dad.
That's the only thing wrong with it. But she should be able to deal with it. See my posts on the last page.
I also hope that the "great parenting dad" thing isn't sarcastic.
On February 12 2012 01:26 TwilightStar wrote: lol @ people saying he's an "adult throwing a tantrum". honestly? I don't see him complaining and screaming like a little girl, he's addressing his concerns in a logical manner.
I don't know man, maybe it's because you're from the US but shooting seven bullets from a .45 at an inanimate object to illustrate your point is far more shocking to me than screaming and yelling like a crazy teenager. I think the daughter isn't the only one to blame in this little story :p
World needs more parents like this. Your kids do not appreciate what they have, take it away so they can understand how hard life really is.
It is one thing to question authority, or "think by yourself", completely a different story to outright insult the people that gave you life, a place to live, food, clothes, education, all while complaining about what you have to do and even asking for pay, kids these days are so damn spoiled.
children are like property of parents, but because of this the law protects them.
for example mandatory school you must feed you children child abuse is illegal. you cannot kill them
however, for purposes like this, they can be considered your property. and if your property has a laptop you put their, you can shoot it with a gun.
also, it isnt stealing if the dad takes it. ofcourse you cant steal. idealism<reality of the law. the school can punish students because the law says they act as parents during the school day. therefore, the school can do something like go on her facebook and take away her laptop too, albeit less extreme.
Well, I actually wasn't talking about it from a strictly legal point if view. More of a subjective matter, it's just fun to see how people see the same thing from different perspectives and truth isn't universal. . It's not bashing or anything, just an observation . And I apologize for not reading through the whole thread valiantly, obv fail from me .
On February 12 2012 01:44 Geiko wrote: This girl is going to get a ton of shit at school now that this video is viral.
Great parenting dad.
That's the only thing wrong with it. But she should be able to deal with it. See my posts on the last page.
I also hope that the "great parenting dad" thing isn't sarcastic.
You seem kinda defensive in favor of the dad. What says she should she be able to handle it? Isn't this the ideal thing to use to alienate someone and bully them? Especially at the age where everyone is the most sensitive.
On February 12 2012 02:02 King[Neikos] wrote: World needs more parents like this. Your kids do not appreciate what they have, take it away so they can understand how hard life really is.
It is one thing to question authority, or "think by yourself", completely a different story to outright insult the people that gave you life, a place to live, food, clothes, education, all while complaining about what you have to do and even asking for pay, kids these days are so damn spoiled.
It's not that easy. She's entitled to all those things you listed by law, whiny or not. Taking away luxury items is pretty standard, shooting them with a gun seem excessive. Putting all of it in a video on facebook/youtube seems stupid.
On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable.
If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
Flawed logic. He has control of her computer because until she is 18 she essentially is his property.(Theoretically, no slavery argument). So he can do whatever he wants to "her" which is really his property. It's reasonable parenting, I mean the bullet payment isn't that reasonable but it's acceptable. It can be equated to making her pay for a window she broke playing baseball. Atleast she doesn't have to pay for the laptop :D
and your counterargument is the strawman argument. arguing against something that is close to what I said to make yourself seem right and me stupid.
On February 12 2012 01:26 Wolvmatt. wrote: I willing to bet that daughter was the result of a faulty condom. If not, what's the point in having kids if you're just going to torture them by being petty and unreasonable?
Also, OP is a fucking moron. How is the destruction of the laptop petty? That is worth a month's salary for some people.
That's tough love parenting. He's not being unreasonable by any means. I feel like you are being in the point of view of the girl without any sort of idea of what the dad is doing.
For the purposes of this discussion the destruction of the laptop is petty. It's a month's salary for some people, obviously not the dad.
He just shot her computer against her will and then charged her for the bullets. You're delusional if you think that is reasonable.
If I came to your house today and lit the front door on fire. Would it be reasonable for me to charge you for the gasoline?
You honestly think the jobless 15 year old bought the laptop with her own money? No the dad did so he can do what he wants with it.
so if you buy something to someone it's still yours to do as you please? Good to know.
I'll just give you the discussion on this from yesterday, it is good to know.
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
dont cherrypick, make a generalization about everyone in the South. swing and a miss.
Don't think you quite know what "cherry pick" means.
On February 11 2012 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:
On February 11 2012 13:01 Dzemoo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:56 scarper65 wrote: This girl sounds exactly like all the stupid little teenage girls at my high school that complain about absolutely everything and have no respect for anything. Obviously the father wasn't thinking clearly by shooting the laptop, but I can't even image how angry and just how disappointed I would be if my own offspring were to act that way. Hopefully this girl has learned something today.
This. Way to go for this dad. He's not letting his little girl be a attention-whore like 98% of other girls her age.
On February 11 2012 13:00 Candadar wrote: It's funny how you can tell who is underage in the responses both in this thread, and on the youtube video responses. They make it so abundantly clear with the fervor and utter disdain for this man in their responses.
The guy is a major, class act douchebag. However, the girl got what she deserved. Not to mention, as the guy explained, all she has to do is make her own bed and do some basic chores. Boo fucking hoo her life is so horrible because she has to put away the dishes and wash a table counter. She disrespects someone who cleans her house for free, she disrespects her parents, and she disrespected herself. Again, the guy is a douchebag and a total class act -- however, she deserved it.
I mean honestly. She does maybe 30 minutes of work around the house, INCLUDING making her own fucking bed and cleaning up after herself, and she demands to be paid by her father to do it. She bitches and whines for him to buy all this shit for him and to work so hard for him and her computer, and he does, and then she spits in his face. She's a spoiled little brat who needed to be put in her place. Oh boo fucking hoo, he shot the laptop he purchased with his own money and told her if she wants any of the crap she whines for constantly she should buy it herself and get a damn job and stop relying on him for everything.
Good on him.
Dude, how is the dad a douchebag? Cause he's trying to teach her a lesson? She's even more of an idiot because he's caught her multiple times before for something similar. Lol.
Generally everyone from the South is a pretentious douchebag in my opinion.
Anyways, take the time to read my post and I praise him for what he did.
Don't cherry pick.
Generally, people who say things like that are pretentious douchebags in my opinion.
If that's your opinion of me, so be it. Fail to see how any of this is relevant to the issue at hand, nonetheless.
My experience with that culture has been only negative in my life, so that's my generalized opinion. We all categorize, we all generalize, we all have overarching opinions even if we don't want to admit it. Nonetheless, as that is all entirely irrelevant to the discussion, this guy did a great job teaching his spoiled brat a lesson.
I shall respond to your post in 2 part:
Part A) Cherrypicking most likely means he didn't disagree with anything you said except the douchebag part. Generally, people in the south are incredibly nice people in my experience. Basically you are stereotyping, instead of objectively judging. It was a worthy cherrypick. In fact, cherry picking would be more like you saying the following:
You said "I hate people". You must be a sadistic asshole
What they did is just responding.
Part B) You have been trolled~ Basically you are so close to being an intelligent minded poster and responder, and you are just held back by prejudice. You would sound much more intelligent if you kept your stereotype to yourself and only stated it if there was something in the video to evidence that.
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On February 11 2012 13:12 nttea wrote:
He bought the laptop, so in the end it's still his property. Granted shooting it was a bad choice.
I don't think this is true, if you give something away it's not your property anymore Don't really see why so many people seem to get a total orgasm out of this, she's being 15 and he's being a dick VERY IMPRESSIVE GO FAVORITE TEAM!!!11
Actually she is under 18 so she is essentially the dad's property and he can therefore control anything he gives her.
I guess you are of the opinion that mistakes made when you are a teenage will right themselves eventually somehow where as all the "orgasmers" are pleased to see a parent attempting to create a morally correct offspring.
Dad being a dick? For a good reason :D to make a point, to parent, to teach.
I mostly don't like the father because of his "holier-than-thou" attitude the entire time. I agreed with everything he said and did. It's just the way he said it made me not like him.
what scared me is that the person you quoted saidd the daughter is "the dads property". Right, people are property...
people can never legally be property. Children have ownership rights just as much as adults. You can't steal from children.
I don't know where you live that it can be true that people are property. property implies you can destroy (kill) them if you want to throw them away. SInce this isnt true in any culture, they are not property. And you don't own anything your kid owns.
Hey, im that guy you talked about the property.
children are like property of parents, but because of this the law protects them.
for example mandatory school you must feed you children child abuse is illegal. you cannot kill them
however, for purposes like this, they can be considered your property. and if your property has a laptop you put their, you can shoot it with a gun.
also, it isnt stealing if the dad takes it. ofcourse you cant steal. idealism<reality of the law. the school can punish students because the law says they act as parents during the school day. therefore, the school can do something like go on her facebook and take away her laptop too, albeit less extreme.
On February 12 2012 01:44 Geiko wrote: This girl is going to get a ton of shit at school now that this video is viral.
Great parenting dad.
That's the only thing wrong with it. But she should be able to deal with it. See my posts on the last page.
I also hope that the "great parenting dad" thing isn't sarcastic.
Why wouldn't it be sarcastic? It certainly isn't great parenting (I'm not saying he's horrible parent or anything), but he could have solved this in a better way.
On February 12 2012 02:04 leser wrote: Well, I actually wasn't talking about it from a strictly legal point if view. More of a subjective matter, it's just fun to see how people see the same thing from different perspectives and truth isn't universal. . It's not bashing or anything, just an observation . And I apologize for not reading through the whole thread valiantly, obv fail from me .
Oh that's fine, I'm pretty sure that most people don't read the whole thread and that you're being sarcastic:D. I'm just trying to remake the point that he can legally do it because he is the parent. I suppose there does come a point when it is morally unacceptable to do this, actually most points. This, of course, being the exception in my eyes.
It is subjective to some extent, but I think it's better if people understand other arguments so they can make that one next time. For example, in the Naniwa situation my original opinion was exactly identical to liquid tyler but by the end of the day it was much more in Gom's favor...so yeah basically I think people make some arguments because they don't have enough factual framework.
On February 12 2012 02:02 King[Neikos] wrote: World needs more parents like this. Your kids do not appreciate what they have, take it away so they can understand how hard life really is.
It is one thing to question authority, or "think by yourself", completely a different story to outright insult the people that gave you life, a place to live, food, clothes, education, all while complaining about what you have to do and even asking for pay, kids these days are so damn spoiled.
Bunch of hypocrites.
Each and every one of you did the exact same thing that this girl did. You talked about how horrible your parents were when you were sitting around with your friends.
The only difference being:
1) You didn't get caught
or
2) You didn''t have a psycho dad
Just a bunch of people talking about how great it is when kids get fucked up over the exact same stuff they did when they were young.
But each generation will cry that the next one is ruder than they ever were.
I think this guy is a complete morron low iq-er stupid retarded idiot..
ofc his daughter was maybe wrong , but he's an idiot for not understanding the today's world and how he should manage a situation like this , too bad that morrons like this are allowed to exist , marry and have kids , stupid world
She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Humiliating a person in public is terrible!!!
*Proceed to pronounce a father who humiliated his daughter to millions a god
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
i'll be the first one to call bs.... without a doubt you have talked bad about your parents in your life.
Take it this way your dad comes and sees that posts and decides you lied on the internet now you computer has 8 bullets in it your grounded and owe him $150 dollars. you sir are no better then her.
I admit this isnt uncommon at all and i have said similar things the father took it to literally.
On February 12 2012 02:11 DeathAngel[ro] wrote: I think this guy is a complete morron low iq-er stupid fag retarded idiot..
ofc his daughter was maybe wrong , but he's a faggot for not understanding the today's world and how he should manage a situation like this , too bad that morrons like this are allowed to exist , marry and have kids , stupid world
What did he do that was so intensely wrong, backwards, and ridiculous, that you had to call him a "morron low iq-er stupid fag retarded idiot" (nice spelling, by the way)?
He can't exist or get married because he's going to make the rules more strict for his daughter? Want to elaborate on your position?
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Oh wow, there's many really judgemental people here. Calling a 15 year old girl a disrespectful cunt, wtf? We don't even know exactly what's up but as usual kids on the internet love to shittalk people they don't even know.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Humiliating a person in public is terrible!!!
*Proceed to pronounce a father who humiliated his daughter to millions a god
It makes a point.
Besides, he never said "Humiliating a person in public is terrible!!!" he implied something more along the lines of Facebook is a public place youtube is one too.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Humiliating a person in public is terrible!!!
*Proceed to pronounce a father who humiliated his daughter to millions a god
When did I say humiliating a person online is wrong? I said he didn't breach her privacy.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Oh wow, there's many really judgemental people here. Calling a 15 year old girl a disrespectful cunt, wtf? We don't even know exactly what's up but as usual kids on the internet love to shittalk people they don't even know.
So did you watch the video? He gave her warnings and many lesser punishments along the way. She insisted on continuing the behavior. This guy worked his ass off his whole life and tries hard to provide for his daughter who in turn acts ungrateful. She was just punished for 3 months. Obviously, a strong punishment is necessary because she insists on being disrespectful. I don't have to be her best fucking friend to make an inference.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Humiliating a person in public is terrible!!!
*Proceed to pronounce a father who humiliated his daughter to millions a god
When did I say humiliating a person online is wrong? I said he didn't breach her privacy.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Humiliating a person in public is terrible!!!
*Proceed to pronounce a father who humiliated his daughter to millions a god
When did I say humiliating a person online is wrong? I said he didn't breach her privacy.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Oh wow, there's many really judgemental people here. Calling a 15 year old girl a disrespectful cunt, wtf? We don't even know exactly what's up but as usual kids on the internet love to shittalk people they don't even know.
So did you watch the video? He gave her warnings and many lesser punishments along the way. She insisted on continuing the behavior. This guy worked his ass off his whole life and tries hard to provide for his daughter who in turn acts ungrateful. She was just punished for 3 months. Obviously, a strong punishment is necessary because she insists on being disrespectful. I don't have to be her best fucking friend to make an inference.
Yeah, he may have given her warnings and punishments before, that can happen when you have kids. Also, don't you see what I see here? If she have been given so many warnings and punishments without any results and he feels the need to use his gun and post a video on the internet about this than maybe he should take a good look at himself and ask himself what he is doing wrong. I would advice him and his wife to start with psychological mentoring, not this... whatever the fuck he is doing now.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Humiliating a person in public is terrible!!!
*Proceed to pronounce a father who humiliated his daughter to millions a god
When did I say humiliating a person online is wrong? I said he didn't breach her privacy.
He admits to doing just that in the clip.
Did you just skip to the part with the gun?
Some would argue facebook being a public place combined with being a parent who had already been disrespected on facebook makes the whole thing not a breach of her privacy.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
i'll be the first one to call bs.... without a doubt you have talked bad about your parents in your life.
Take it this way your dad comes and sees that posts and decides you lied on the internet now you computer has 8 bullets in it your grounded and owe him $150 dollars. you sir are no better then her.
I admit this isnt uncommon at all and i have said similar things the father took it to literally.
It's different for the following reasons
1)She's done it before 2) You really have to make sure it isn't found if you cuss out your parents 3) She called presumably a family friend a maid. BM to the max. 4) Her chores don't appear to be a big deal and are most likely expected things in the family, not unreasonable. 5) I guess if she made the post around the time I spent half of my day doing something for her when I'm sure she could of done it herself I would break her computer too.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Humiliating a person in public is terrible!!!
*Proceed to pronounce a father who humiliated his daughter to millions a god
When did I say humiliating a person online is wrong? I said he didn't breach her privacy.
He admits to doing just that in the clip.
Did you just skip to the part with the gun?
Some would argue facebook being a public place combined with being a parent who had already been disrespected on facebook makes the whole thing not a breach of her privacy.
Those would be wrong on every level of the word privacy.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Humiliating a person in public is terrible!!!
*Proceed to pronounce a father who humiliated his daughter to millions a god
When did I say humiliating a person online is wrong? I said he didn't breach her privacy.
He admits to doing just that in the clip.
Did you just skip to the part with the gun?
Some would argue facebook being a public place combined with being a parent who had already been disrespected on facebook makes the whole thing not a breach of her privacy.
Those would be wrong on every level of the word privacy.
Fine, then the breach of privacy was allowable due to the reasons I said. I got stuck in the rut of trying to defend just to not have the negatively connotated words against me.
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Humiliating a person in public is terrible!!!
*Proceed to pronounce a father who humiliated his daughter to millions a god
When did I say humiliating a person online is wrong? I said he didn't breach her privacy.
On February 12 2012 02:26 karpo wrote:
On February 12 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote: She posted it on Facebook! what the hell did she think was going to happen. Facebook is a public place. It's not like he went throgh her IMs or text messages since THAT is a breach of privacy. Facebook is not private and this fool of a woman learned that lesson while being a disrespectful cunt. "waaaah daddy makes me make coffee" My generation is a spoiled disgrace. I don't think the gun was very necessary, however funny it may have been but I'm from the south and that stuff is normal enough down here.
Oh wow, there's many really judgemental people here. Calling a 15 year old girl a disrespectful cunt, wtf? We don't even know exactly what's up but as usual kids on the internet love to shittalk people they don't even know.
So did you watch the video? He gave her warnings and many lesser punishments along the way. She insisted on continuing the behavior. This guy worked his ass off his whole life and tries hard to provide for his daughter who in turn acts ungrateful. She was just punished for 3 months. Obviously, a strong punishment is necessary because she insists on being disrespectful. I don't have to be her best fucking friend to make an inference.
Yeah, he may have given her warnings and punishments before, that can happen when you have kids. Also, don't you see what I see here? If she have been given so many warnings and punishments without any results and he feels the need to use his gun and post a video on the internet about this than maybe he should take a good look at himself and ask himself what he is doing wrong. I would advice him and his wife to start with psychological mentoring, not this... whatever the fuck he is doing now.
I think you're looking at the gun the wrong way. It's not abnormal, it's just a fancier way of throwing the laptop away. He clearly explains why he posted it online in the interview in the OP. I don't see what he's doing wrong. He's asking his daughter to clean up after herself and maybe help out the people who provide for her a little bit, but she won't listen. Sometimes, extreme measures must be taken because some teenagers cannot be reasoned with at all.
a lot of people in this thread really need to visit this guy's facebook before resorting to personal attacks on him. after reading some posts from him, it's very easy to tell that he is a really level headed and intelligent man, and that he actually cares a lot about his daughter
On February 12 2012 02:56 karpo wrote:
In the same regard people should refrain from badmouthing the kid as they don't know her or exactly what was said and done. People overreact in both directions to this imo.
On February 12 2012 02:48 FrankWalls wrote: a lot of people in this thread really need to visit this guy's facebook before resorting to personal attacks on him. after reading some posts from him, it's very easy to tell that he is a really level headed and intelligent man, and that he actually cares a lot about his daughter
In the same regard people should refrain from badmouthing the kid as they don't know her or exactly what was said and done. People overreact in both directions to this imo.
On February 12 2012 02:02 King[Neikos] wrote: World needs more parents like this. Your kids do not appreciate what they have, take it away so they can understand how hard life really is.
It is one thing to question authority, or "think by yourself", completely a different story to outright insult the people that gave you life, a place to live, food, clothes, education, all while complaining about what you have to do and even asking for pay, kids these days are so damn spoiled.
Bunch of hypocrites.
Each and every one of you did the exact same thing that this girl did. You talked about how horrible your parents were when you were sitting around with your friends.
The only difference being:
1) You didn't get caught
or
2) You didn''t have a psycho dad
Just a bunch of people talking about how great it is when kids get fucked up over the exact same stuff they did when they were young.
But each generation will cry that the next one is ruder than they ever were.
I may have and still complain about stuff, but I have NEVER and I can truthfully state that, I have NEVER insulted my parents, I learned from little age the magnitude of sacrifices they did for me to have the life I've had, complaining is one thing, what this girl did is another, if she just wanted to complain she had her friends to go to, she decided to make a full on offensive statement on the internet. And this dad is not psycho, the fact that you do not agree with what he does, does not make him less reasonable or sane that you or me or any other person in this world for that matter.
I don't think any kid in the world is born spoiled, but clearly this girl had been placed in an environment where she did not learn to respect either her parents or the money that she was given, as stated in the interview. So really, whose fault is all this? Partially the girl's and her father's, but mostly I blame the parents of all her spoiled friends. At any adolescent stage of life, you either gather friends who are like-minded, or you unconsciously change to become more like them. If more parents were like the one in this video, this girl wouldn't be hanging with kids that grow up with equally low respect. The only thing I disagree with in this video was the laptop shooting RIP
If more parents were like this maybe we wouldn't have so many thugs and criminals on the streets today. Maybe a bit extreme shooting the laptop, could have sold it but it was funny as hell. She won't be disrespecting her parents publicly like that again.
On February 12 2012 03:02 jaerak wrote: I don't think any kid in the world is born spoiled, but clearly this girl had been placed in an environment where she did not learn to respect either her parents or the money that she was given, as stated in the interview. So really, whose fault is all this? Partially the girl's and her father's, but mostly I blame the parents of all her spoiled friends. At any adolescent stage of life, you either gather friends who are like-minded, or you unconsciously change to become more like them. If more parents were like the one in this video, this girl wouldn't be hanging with kids that grow up with equally low respect. The only thing I disagree with in this video was the laptop shooting RIP
Yeah, I agree that environment is incredibly important. Although I would place more blame on her parent, since ultimately, the parents are the ones that decide where the family lives.
So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I was raised.
As expected... What an awful reason.
edit: On a sidenote, $130 on software? Unless she's a gamer (which it doesn't seem like), what could that possibly have been...?
20 Pages of drivel based on a video of a guy talking and crushing a laptop. It is hilarious how far some people will go with their opinions based on a guy reading out an angry (facebook) letter from a teenager and a destroyed laptop. For some he is the avatar of awesome parenting, for others an abusive redneck father that completely destroyed his kids future. You guys need to check what you actually know about the entire thing. Hint for thick people: + Show Spoiler +
it's close to nothing
All this baseless opinionated venting makes you look like idiots.
On February 12 2012 02:02 King[Neikos] wrote: World needs more parents like this. Your kids do not appreciate what they have, take it away so they can understand how hard life really is.
It is one thing to question authority, or "think by yourself", completely a different story to outright insult the people that gave you life, a place to live, food, clothes, education, all while complaining about what you have to do and even asking for pay, kids these days are so damn spoiled.
Bunch of hypocrites.
Each and every one of you did the exact same thing that this girl did. You talked about how horrible your parents were when you were sitting around with your friends.
The only difference being:
1) You didn't get caught
or
2) You didn''t have a psycho dad
Just a bunch of people talking about how great it is when kids get fucked up over the exact same stuff they did when they were young.
But each generation will cry that the next one is ruder than they ever were.
Like most bad things it's funny when it happens to someone else. The father could have easily done thins without the gun and he knew that. For the 3 seconds of SLIMH(small laugh inside my head) I got I'm glad he didn't because I'm selfish.
The parent's acting is completely justified. If the entitled, spoiled kid gets a serious warning and then walks all over it and acts the victim, then she needs to be taught a lesson. And yes, it is for her own good. Knowing when to (justly) discipline your child is a sign of good parenting, and I wish more parents were like him.
On February 12 2012 01:26 TwilightStar wrote: he's addressing his concerns in a logical manner.
Did I read that right? Logical is shooting an inanimate object with a lethal weapon, using hollow points....to discipline your daughter after she put a status on facebook complaining about chores..
On February 12 2012 02:02 King[Neikos] wrote: World needs more parents like this. Your kids do not appreciate what they have, take it away so they can understand how hard life really is.
It is one thing to question authority, or "think by yourself", completely a different story to outright insult the people that gave you life, a place to live, food, clothes, education, all while complaining about what you have to do and even asking for pay, kids these days are so damn spoiled.
Bunch of hypocrites.
Each and every one of you did the exact same thing that this girl did. You talked about how horrible your parents were when you were sitting around with your friends.
The only difference being:
1) You didn't get caught
or
2) You didn''t have a psycho dad
Just a bunch of people talking about how great it is when kids get fucked up over the exact same stuff they did when they were young.
But each generation will cry that the next one is ruder than they ever were.
I never referred to my parents with curse words and I never told people that I had horrible parents. I was taught to never even raise my voice to parents and as a child, I believed in that.
On February 11 2012 12:32 Phenny wrote: This is amazing, sounds like she got exactly what she deserves, he's done a lot for her and she's gone and thrown it back in his face. What a boss dad.
Prefect response, this is how I feel, this dad should be regarded as a hero, and gives me hope for the future that men like him still exist.
You guys realize this is going to be a segment on Tosh soon. He is going to do a web redemption and let the girl shoot her dads pick up truck for making her always be remembered as the shot laptop girl.
After reading the update, the walking stereotype has a pretty good point about schools not actually teaching anything, and kids never learning how to be an adult.
Its "his" computer, not hers... technically. My dad did the same shit to me when I was a brat. (Still kinda does, even though I am an adult now. =P) This type of thing was crazy and strange to watch... I feel bad for the girl, but at the same time, I respect the dad for what he did. I doubt anyone watching this is completely surprised, since every parent is "extreme" in their own way. Very interesting.
I don't like it one bit. She should be allowed to have a social life and not have to hurry home every day to clean the floors.. they really must get a lot of dust if it's needed every day.... Every kid in her school will now laugh at her for years, yes years and he is angry about her lashing out when it's the exact same thing he is doing in this video. It's so clear this is a pure redneck father, talking about his guns and shooting the laptop, seriously this isnt africa or the 1960's where you gotta do shit to survive. It's 2012, wake up grandpa. oh and 3 months grounded? He really doesnt want her to have a social life teh fuck that's like the entire school term
On February 12 2012 02:02 King[Neikos] wrote: World needs more parents like this. Your kids do not appreciate what they have, take it away so they can understand how hard life really is.
It is one thing to question authority, or "think by yourself", completely a different story to outright insult the people that gave you life, a place to live, food, clothes, education, all while complaining about what you have to do and even asking for pay, kids these days are so damn spoiled.
Bunch of hypocrites.
Each and every one of you did the exact same thing that this girl did. You talked about how horrible your parents were when you were sitting around with your friends.
The only difference being:
1) You didn't get caught
or
2) You didn''t have a psycho dad
Just a bunch of people talking about how great it is when kids get fucked up over the exact same stuff they did when they were young.
But each generation will cry that the next one is ruder than they ever were.
What? I never disrespected my parents in the manner this girl did. I knew I had it easy compared to what my parents had and would never have cursed them out or bitched about how hard my life is like this girl did. Pretty sure I am not an anomaly.
I think this would have been a great reaction if the video had not blown up the way it did. Now the daughter must feel extremely humiliated.
Such a dramatic overreaction... like has been said, this is NOT gonna fix anything, it's only gonna make her hate him even more. This is going beyond "you'll thank me when you're older" into "you'll forget about this before you say two words to me again."
I'm out of the house already, but if my parents reacted like this I can sure as HELL tell you they wouldn't get the result they were hoping for.
Update: This may come as a wild shock to some.. wait for it.. wait.... (I need that guy who did the awesome HD youtube parody to do me an intro here. Where is he when I need him?)
I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all. I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.
I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT? I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!
I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious. (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to. (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)
I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes. I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.
I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)
I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy
I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.
That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol
Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.
The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?
The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)
She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)
Back to me being a normal guy... I digressed again. You guys caught me on eight and a half minutes of ONE day in my life, probably the worst day in my life as a father. So, all in all, I consider the vast overwhelming show of support to be very very gratifying... that was me at my worst, not my best. If most of you found me OK as a Dad at that time, then I'm definitely OK the rest of the time. I was angry, hurt as hell, emotional as can possibly be, and stunned still. I'd taken an hour to compose myself, but apparently I should have waited longer.. and maybe used the .22 instead of the .45. (And since when does an 8 minute video EVER go viral? And maybe the next video I'll do will be auctioning the pistol I used.. that should buy some serious college tuition, but please understand that I will definitely use the profits to also purchase a replacement .45.)
I'd like to think that if a camera followed me around and filmed every moment of my life as a parent, most of you out there would still put me in the plus column. Truthfully most of you would probably be bored. I'm just ordinary. I was raised old fashioned, and I raise my kids the same way... the modern generational concepts be damned! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I'll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren't the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I'm always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn't it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point: I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"
I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?" Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
On February 12 2012 04:00 UmiNotsuki wrote: Such a dramatic overreaction... like has been said, this is NOT gonna fix anything, it's only gonna make her hate him even more. This is going beyond "you'll thank me when you're older" into "you'll forget about this before you say two words to me again."
I'm out of the house already, but if my parents reacted like this I can sure as HELL tell you they wouldn't get the result they were hoping for.
You sound like the exact baby type person the dad is trying to fight against, haha. Anyway, you're wrong, they're doing fine and they're happy now, so yup, wrong.
Update: This may come as a wild shock to some.. wait for it.. wait.... (I need that guy who did the awesome HD youtube parody to do me an intro here. Where is he when I need him?)
I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all. I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.
I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT? I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!
I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious. (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to. (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)
I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes. I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.
I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)
I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy
I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.
That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol
Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.
The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?
The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)
She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)
Back to me being a normal guy... I digressed again. You guys caught me on eight and a half minutes of ONE day in my life, probably the worst day in my life as a father. So, all in all, I consider the vast overwhelming show of support to be very very gratifying... that was me at my worst, not my best. If most of you found me OK as a Dad at that time, then I'm definitely OK the rest of the time. I was angry, hurt as hell, emotional as can possibly be, and stunned still. I'd taken an hour to compose myself, but apparently I should have waited longer.. and maybe used the .22 instead of the .45. (And since when does an 8 minute video EVER go viral? And maybe the next video I'll do will be auctioning the pistol I used.. that should buy some serious college tuition, but please understand that I will definitely use the profits to also purchase a replacement .45.)
I'd like to think that if a camera followed me around and filmed every moment of my life as a parent, most of you out there would still put me in the plus column. Truthfully most of you would probably be bored. I'm just ordinary. I was raised old fashioned, and I raise my kids the same way... the modern generational concepts be damned! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I'll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren't the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I'm always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn't it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point: I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"
I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?" Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
On February 12 2012 04:00 UmiNotsuki wrote: Such a dramatic overreaction... like has been said, this is NOT gonna fix anything, it's only gonna make her hate him even more. This is going beyond "you'll thank me when you're older" into "you'll forget about this before you say two words to me again."
I'm out of the house already, but if my parents reacted like this I can sure as HELL tell you they wouldn't get the result they were hoping for.
You sound like the exact baby type person the dad is trying to fight against, haha. Anyway, you're wrong, they're doing fine and they're happy now, so yup, wrong.
I honestly don't care enough to follow the story and check your facts, so I'm just gonna take them at face value. They're happy now?
Fuck. That is WEIRD! I have NEVER met anyone in my entire life who was actually capable of taking any blame onto themselves when someone reacts to their mistakes in such a dramatic way. I know, ancedotal evidence blah blah blah, but I'm honestly in shock. Especially since I know this daughter isn't the most mature person in the world, posting this shit on Facebook.
While the father was in the right for taking away the laptop, destroying it was just stupid.
He made a big fuss about all the software he installed, but the thing is, it's still good software. He can always just re-install it. Its not like it's 130$ down the drain. And if he actually cared about the money, he shouldn't have destroyed the laptop, shoulda just sold it.
On February 12 2012 04:00 UmiNotsuki wrote: Such a dramatic overreaction... like has been said, this is NOT gonna fix anything, it's only gonna make her hate him even more. This is going beyond "you'll thank me when you're older" into "you'll forget about this before you say two words to me again."
I'm out of the house already, but if my parents reacted like this I can sure as HELL tell you they wouldn't get the result they were hoping for.
You sound like the exact baby type person the dad is trying to fight against, haha. Anyway, you're wrong, they're doing fine and they're happy now, so yup, wrong.
I honestly don't care enough to follow the story and check your facts, so I'm just gonna take them at face value. They're happy now?
Fuck. That is WEIRD! I have NEVER met anyone in my entire life who was actually capable of taking any blame onto themselves when someone reacts to their mistakes in such a dramatic way. I know, ancedotal evidence blah blah blah, but I'm honestly in shock. Especially since I know this daughter isn't the most mature person in the world, posting this shit on Facebook.
Well... good for them?
Wow...
Yea, it seems the father and daughter are chill again.
Maybe you are just overestimating how you would react to your parents actually dishing out legitimate punishment. People tend to overestimate how an event will effect them and how they will react to it.
For someone complaining about childish actions from his daughter, shooting a laptop while recording it to post on the internet for public view doesn't seem like the most adult and rational attitudes to me.
I'm sure this father has some legitimate reasons to be pissed off/disappointed at his kid, but the whole making a video about it thing just doesn't seem fitting to actually helping his situation with his daughter. Imo either he just had a REALLY bad idea or this is just plain fake.
Hahah, funny stuff. I dont care about either but seriously, this is certainly first world problems. Im all for the Dad though, I kids these days have got it easy.
Every single person who posted in this thread claiming his parenting is bad because he is using "negative reinforcement" should please get their damn facts straight.
What he does is:
a) Shooting her laptop (Negative punishment / indirect punishment) b) Posting the video on youtube (Positive punishment / direct punishment)
This whole thing has NOTHING to do with negative reinforcement.
The goal of any kind of reinforcement (both positive and negative) is to INCREASE the likelyhood of a certain behaviour / response.
The goal of any kind of punishment is to DECREASE the likelyhood of a certain behaviour / response.
----> What he's doing is exercising two different forms of punishment at the same time. This is completely acceptable parenting behaviour, if the punishment is proportional with the behaviour / response being punished. Was it?
a) She humiliated him (and more people) in public to which he responds by humiliating her in public. This is a completely acceptable form of punishment.
b) He punished his daugher previously by taking her laptop away for a similar issue and, obviously, the previous punishment showed no to little effect.That's his reasoning for him to increase the punishment and destroy the laptop instead of taking it away.
There is very, very little room to argue against what he has done if you look at it from an objective point of view.
The action is a bit extreme, but it's justified on the whole.
A lot of people from his generation grew up with pretty hard lives, leaving home at a very early age to go out and make their way in the world. My parents both did the same thing. As such it's difficult for them to see today's youth just milling about, enjoying the luxuries afforded them by their parents hard work.
I personally have had a job since I was 15 and a half, and worked very hard. But I only recently, at 22, moved out of my parents house and got my own place (due to college and finances). Even up until the age of 20 I could say I took advantage of my parents generosity and hospitality. Eventually it clicked that I was simply a guest in their house and they owed me absolutely nothing. After I realized that I had a lot more respect for them, and my desire for more freedom and independence led me to strike out on my own much as they did when they were much younger than me.
Most American youths take extreme advantage of the things their parents give them, and feel that all the things they have are theirs by birthright. They shouldn't have to get a job or be responsible, because they're "going to school" or whatever. This guy's methods were a bit extreme, but I think the same tough love needs to be applied to all children so that they can get out of this birthright mentality.
Also, this girl is not going to turn into an abusive parent or a head case because of this. Anyone who says that doesn't see the value of what her father is teaching her, and is probably way too lenient with their own children (if they have any).
On February 12 2012 04:34 Vvix wrote: For someone complaining about childish actions from his daughter, shooting a laptop while recording it to post on the internet for public view doesn't seem like the most adult and rational attitudes to me.
I'm sure this father has some legitimate reasons to be pissed off/disappointed at his kid, but the whole making a video about it thing just doesn't seem fitting to actually helping his situation with his daughter. Imo either he just had a REALLY bad idea or this is just plain fake.
Well you can definitively have a funnier dad but at least he seems to care about her. That said I think he seems kinda full of himself and I think he overreacted
On February 12 2012 04:54 Patriot.dlk wrote: Well you can definitively have a funnier dad but at least he seems to care about her. That said I think he seems kinda full of himself and I think he overreacted
No idea how you deducted that he's "full of himself" from the video, I didn't get that impression at all. I saw a really good parent doing something in the heat of the moment that he probably already regrets, either way, his relationship with his daughter is better now, and the laptop she was posting such bs from is gone, lessons learned all around.
"Full of himself" ha, what a joke. Say that about someone thats shitty at parenting, not someone that obviously cares so much. (read his post and you'll see hes FAR from being full of himself)
the shooting might have been over the top but any true good parent would do something akin to what he did (get rid of the underlying problem so that the child can see what they are doing is wrong)
bad parenting imo....then again, I'm 20, what the hell would I know about raising little people...anyways every negative action of your kids is a direct result of bad parenting on your side, so it's basically 100% YOUR FAULT...unless she is mentally sick, clinicly.
Environment rather than parents ? Parents choose the environment for their children at least until the age that really matters ( up until 7 years or so ) so it's their fault as well. It's always the parent's fault, so whoever complains that he kids does this and does that....YOUR FAIL. You may work hard, provide everything you can about your kid but still if you leave your kid in a harmful environment...You can just let him/her watch TV or surf the internet freely/without reasonably explaining him/her what is healthy for her to explore, and you have pretty good chances of him/her going in a rather bad direction.
On February 12 2012 05:41 sc14s wrote: the shooting might have been over the top but any true good parent would do something akin to what he did (get rid of the underlying problem so that the child can see what they are doing is wrong)
I'm a bit amazed how people tend to focus on the gun rather than him posting the video publicly.
On February 12 2012 05:41 sc14s wrote: the shooting might have been over the top but any true good parent would do something akin to what he did (get rid of the underlying problem so that the child can see what they are doing is wrong)
I'm a bit amazed how people tend to focus on the gun rather than him posting the video publicly.
LMAO more parent need to learn from this guy. Lesson learned...
Update: This may come as a wild shock to some.. wait for it.. wait.... (I need that guy who did the awesome HD youtube parody to do me an intro here. Where is he when I need him?)
I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all. I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.
I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT? I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!
I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious. (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to. (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)
I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes. I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.
I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)
I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy
I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.
That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol
Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.
The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?
The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)
She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)
Back to me being a normal guy... I digressed again. You guys caught me on eight and a half minutes of ONE day in my life, probably the worst day in my life as a father. So, all in all, I consider the vast overwhelming show of support to be very very gratifying... that was me at my worst, not my best. If most of you found me OK as a Dad at that time, then I'm definitely OK the rest of the time. I was angry, hurt as hell, emotional as can possibly be, and stunned still. I'd taken an hour to compose myself, but apparently I should have waited longer.. and maybe used the .22 instead of the .45. (And since when does an 8 minute video EVER go viral? And maybe the next video I'll do will be auctioning the pistol I used.. that should buy some serious college tuition, but please understand that I will definitely use the profits to also purchase a replacement .45.)
I'd like to think that if a camera followed me around and filmed every moment of my life as a parent, most of you out there would still put me in the plus column. Truthfully most of you would probably be bored. I'm just ordinary. I was raised old fashioned, and I raise my kids the same way... the modern generational concepts be damned! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I'll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren't the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I'm always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn't it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point: I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"
I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?" Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
(packing my soapbox away and going to bed now)
Where's that facebook link...?
anyways, as you get older, you're probably more inclined to agree with what he did
I almost remember a lifestyle like this is kansas, but i am not sticking up for this girl what she did was disrespectful and deserved to be punished. but besides that i remember when i was 12 i wanted to go visit my dad down south from chicago, now lets take a gander, i wasn't allowed to play bw or diablo 2 EVER. all because my step mom thought the cd's gave her viruses... and the funny part was she let her son watch porn at night on it. i was so sad and then her crack head daughter stole all my pc games (only thing i had ever owned except the clothes on my back) and i even confronted her! i got punished and lied to about it, and never even got the games back i had to replace them myself.
all those days of house chores or shoveling horse shit every week day, doing dishes all kinds of stupid chores i had to fucking pick up after my step brothers animals and hey practically tortured me with his abuse of power, he would intentionally make shit dirty! lol bastard...
i fucking hated it down there, i wont even drink bottled water anymore because if i was thirsty and asked for cold milk i got warm bottled water, and my dad bought my step mom so much pop and cigarettes! u guys don't even know, if i whined because i was bored i was "told" to go outside or do chores, i remember my 12th birthday like it was yesterday my sister got her shit the month before because our birthdays are back to back, she got a cake toys all kinds of shit. i didn't get anything D':< after the year of hard work i cried so hard when they told me i don't get anything. i was punished for crying and i cried for weeks about it. i felt abandoned and lonely it was so horrible my cat just died and all my dad could think about was how much of a pussy i was... well today i am 19 and i don't talk to my father anymore, only reason i was down there was so my mom couldn't get my dads social security check.
this girl had it fucking easy, right now all i own worth value is an old skateboard my shit amd radeon pc and clothes and sc2, its fucking depressing knowing how much your father never cared about you and you got spoiled little shit wigs whining on facebook about chores, my dads supporting another family and when he dies they get his house. i even told him not talk to me unless i get a will, he put his flat screen on his will and practically joked about it, now the family down there tells me i am lazy because i am a drop out and i need to get a job. i was supporting myself at 16 and starving by 17 trying to pass but i couldn't do it because of the years lost to failed transcripts and getting kicked out and couch hopping. my teeth are practically rotten from the lack of hygiene over the years because no one bothered to even get me a toothbrush. my future is meaningless but i don't think about suicide because i don't wanna hurt my friends...
I wish this story wasn't true and i was more happy, but all i can think about is how good i have it compared to some other people in 3rd world countries, i am living like a king off of food stamps! GED here i come unless i get famous for sc2, the only thing that really makes me happy nowadays ^^
The child received 0 physical harm. The guy clearly is not trying to be an overzealous dictator in the house, rather trying to raise well mannered productive kids...and punished the kid in a pretty effective and unique way if you ask me.
What I like about this situation is that it represents 2 polar opposite worlds meshing together. The father, who lives by an old fashioned yet highly effective code of conduct when it comes to survival...raising a daughter growing up in an era where "hard labor" is not as necessary to ensure your ability to live and in some cases even live well. There will always be ideologies that clash together in these situations, but the fact of the matter is that the man is clearly trying to be a good parent and raise a kid in what he believes is the right way...and I for one, see no reason why anyone should have an issue with that.
There are clearly some insane people in this thread who have forgotten that they were young too sometime. And calling a madman a hero just makes it worse. GJ society!
My stance: The girl is a spoiled bitch who should be disciplined, but the dad is an equally big bitch (it pretty much seemed on the video that he tried to one up his daughter by doing the exact thing she did to him but more, regardless of who is in the right). Good parenting is leading by example, and he handled it poorly.
On February 12 2012 06:41 Malgrif wrote: i get quite the kick from people talking about how it's wrong to shoot a laptop LOL
It could have been donated to a university or a charity or sold and then given that money to some poor africans in africa... to feed em...
Yeah, because everyone here donates everything that isn't a necessity to them, recycles everything and volunteers their spare time to help the homeless. None of you are perfect. Stop being so quick to judge others.
On February 12 2012 06:41 Malgrif wrote: i get quite the kick from people talking about how it's wrong to shoot a laptop LOL
It could have been donated to a university or a charity or sold and then given that money to some poor africans in africa... to feed em...
Yeah, because everyone here donates everything that isn't a necessity to them, recycles everything and volunteers their spare time to help the homeless. None of you are perfect. Stop being so quick to judge others.
Even if every american did what you just mentioned it probably wouldn't make a difference...
Update: This may come as a wild shock to some.. wait for it.. wait.... (I need that guy who did the awesome HD youtube parody to do me an intro here. Where is he when I need him?)
I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all. I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.
I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT? I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!
I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious. (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to. (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)
I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes. I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.
I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)
I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy
I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.
That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol
Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.
The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?
The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)
She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)
Back to me being a normal guy... I digressed again. You guys caught me on eight and a half minutes of ONE day in my life, probably the worst day in my life as a father. So, all in all, I consider the vast overwhelming show of support to be very very gratifying... that was me at my worst, not my best. If most of you found me OK as a Dad at that time, then I'm definitely OK the rest of the time. I was angry, hurt as hell, emotional as can possibly be, and stunned still. I'd taken an hour to compose myself, but apparently I should have waited longer.. and maybe used the .22 instead of the .45. (And since when does an 8 minute video EVER go viral? And maybe the next video I'll do will be auctioning the pistol I used.. that should buy some serious college tuition, but please understand that I will definitely use the profits to also purchase a replacement .45.)
I'd like to think that if a camera followed me around and filmed every moment of my life as a parent, most of you out there would still put me in the plus column. Truthfully most of you would probably be bored. I'm just ordinary. I was raised old fashioned, and I raise my kids the same way... the modern generational concepts be damned! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I'll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren't the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I'm always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn't it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point: I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"
I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?" Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
(packing my soapbox away and going to bed now)
Where's that facebook link...?
anyways, as you get older, you're probably more inclined to agree with what he did
TL has a relatively young demographic.
TL is far above the national average when it comes to supporting corporal punishment.
Sorry to burst the bubble but most of the people that agree with this are actually on the younger side of the spectrum. It's the wanna-be-intellectual 16 year old that constantly repeats how he "hates his own generation" and how they need to be beaten into submission.
And TL has plenty of those. It is motivated more out of the hatred of peers than a genuine care for education.
As you grow older and start to think about kids or even have kids, the idea of beating them just seems completely alien. Unless your culture beats such feelings of compassion out of you from a young age.
On February 12 2012 06:41 Malgrif wrote: i get quite the kick from people talking about how it's wrong to shoot a laptop LOL
It could have been donated to a university or a charity or sold and then given that money to some poor africans in africa... to feed em...
Yeah, because everyone here donates everything that isn't a necessity to them, recycles everything and volunteers their spare time to help the homeless. None of you are perfect. Stop being so quick to judge others.
Even if every american did what you just mentioned it probably wouldn't make a difference...
Actually it would make all the difference, which is what most north americans can't seem to get though their thick skulls.
On February 11 2012 19:32 ChriS-X wrote: people here who are sticking up for the daughter obviously never had seen asian parents at work
I have Asian parents, and I showed this video to my dad and he was shocked.Yes, Asian parents are harsh. I've been caned, beaten, yelled at, made to kneel in a corner and all other kinds of nasty things. I've even been dragged out and dumped in the garden when I was too lazy to leave the bed. However, my dad or my mum would never shoot a laptop and post it on the internet because:
1) Asian families keep their dirty linen to themselves. As bad as things may be, what happens in the family stays in the family. Essentially the outside world does not need to/should not know family disputes. It looks bad on you as a parent, and it looks bad on the whole family.
The guy's response pointed out the obvious problem - once on the internet, always on the internet. When this girl applies for a real job in the future and they do a simply background check, this silly video will be something she will have to explain. Of course most companies might shrug it off, but what if this girl wanted to work as a politician? or a public figure? it's just bad baggage.
2) Asian parents do everything for their children. Of course my dad has his ego and idiosyncratic ways. But at the end of the day, everything was done with my future in mind (see point 1 about how posting this on the internet basically handicaps the girl in the future). Now it's his kid to raise. But what my dad showed me is that when he scolded me, it was never about him, or his bruised ego, or what not. It was about teaching me a lesson, addressing my inadequacies.
Watch the video. His voice is shaking, and he clearly isn't thinking straight. He even dedicates one bullet to her mom because the mom asked him to. This isn't just about teaching his daughter a lesson, it is also about him venting. And that's just silly, because you scold the child for the child, and not to make yourself feel better.
3) An Asian parent would have sold the laptop, used it for himself, or something more productive than shooting it to bits.
Second point is right on. He's not doing anything to teach her a "lesson" he's throwing a temper tantrum.
This is pretty much my opinion, you wonder where she got her tendency to throw tantrums, her father looks like a pretty solid example of it ( this is most definitely not the first time he have ranted and raved about something ). Leading by example is very powerful.
On February 12 2012 06:54 TotalNightmare wrote: There are clearly some insane people in this thread who have forgotten that they were young too sometime. And calling a madman a hero just makes it worse. GJ society!
I was never an entitled little bitch like this guys daughter when I was 15.
Maybe without the internet and facebook to ruin her she can make something decent of herself.
Update: This may come as a wild shock to some.. wait for it.. wait.... (I need that guy who did the awesome HD youtube parody to do me an intro here. Where is he when I need him?)
I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all. I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.
I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT? I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!
I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious. (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to. (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)
I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes. I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.
I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)
I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy
I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.
That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol
Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.
The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?
The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)
She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)
Back to me being a normal guy... I digressed again. You guys caught me on eight and a half minutes of ONE day in my life, probably the worst day in my life as a father. So, all in all, I consider the vast overwhelming show of support to be very very gratifying... that was me at my worst, not my best. If most of you found me OK as a Dad at that time, then I'm definitely OK the rest of the time. I was angry, hurt as hell, emotional as can possibly be, and stunned still. I'd taken an hour to compose myself, but apparently I should have waited longer.. and maybe used the .22 instead of the .45. (And since when does an 8 minute video EVER go viral? And maybe the next video I'll do will be auctioning the pistol I used.. that should buy some serious college tuition, but please understand that I will definitely use the profits to also purchase a replacement .45.)
I'd like to think that if a camera followed me around and filmed every moment of my life as a parent, most of you out there would still put me in the plus column. Truthfully most of you would probably be bored. I'm just ordinary. I was raised old fashioned, and I raise my kids the same way... the modern generational concepts be damned! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I'll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren't the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I'm always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn't it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point: I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"
I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?" Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
(packing my soapbox away and going to bed now)
Where's that facebook link...?
anyways, as you get older, you're probably more inclined to agree with what he did
TL has a relatively young demographic.
TL is far above the national average when it comes to supporting corporal punishment.
Sorry to burst the bubble but most of the people that agree with this are actually on the younger side of the spectrum. It's the wanna-be-intellectual 16 year old that constantly repeats how he "hates his own generation" and how they need to be beaten into submission.
And TL has plenty of those. It is motivated more out of the hatred of peers than a genuine care for education.
As you grow older and start to think about kids or even have kids, the idea of beating them just seems completely alien. Unless your culture beats such feelings of compassion out of you from a young age.
I'd say that it has mostly to do with TL being mostly males and not the age of those visiting this forum.
On February 12 2012 06:55 TheRPGAddict wrote: My stance: The girl is a spoiled bitch who should be disciplined, but the dad is an equally big bitch (it pretty much seemed on the video that he tried to one up his daughter by doing the exact thing she did to him but more, regardless of who is in the right). Good parenting is leading by example, and he handled it poorly.
I agree completely. I have no problem with destroying or removing her laptop or grounding her for eternity, but reacting with a public video to humiliate her is just as stupid and immature as what she did, only he's the one who carries higher expectations. And honestly, if she hadn't made a public complaint but instead had written the exact same thing in her private journal, I'd have no problem with it. Instead she made the stupid decision to do it publicly and now we can see why.
She's an attention whore, and she's raised by an attention whore.
On February 12 2012 06:41 Malgrif wrote: i get quite the kick from people talking about how it's wrong to shoot a laptop LOL
It could have been donated to a university or a charity or sold and then given that money to some poor africans in africa... to feed em...
Yeah, because everyone here donates everything that isn't a necessity to them, recycles everything and volunteers their spare time to help the homeless. None of you are perfect. Stop being so quick to judge others.
Even if every american did what you just mentioned it probably wouldn't make a difference...
Actually it would make all the difference, which is what most north americans can't seem to get though their thick skulls.
I wasn't talking about the point you were making, i forget to mention that if all Americans actually did try to conserve energy, it wouldn't replace the energy crisis the 1st world countries are about to face. conserving energy is actually tiny in comparison to what we actually need, all the methods we seem to come up with fail only to leave us to solar and wind energy, but it takes energy and money to make those solar/ wind generators. I regret that last post but now there's no point to change it, i can only make the excuse that i was high! >:D
P.S. i would link the proof but i seen it on a science documentary when i was high so i might just be blowing all this out my ass...
Seems like a huge douche move on his part. She complained on her facebook to her friends about how she hated her parents, so her parents respond by making a video of her getting punished. Pretty hypocritical to me.That's total public humiliation to the extreme, I would hate to walk around school like that. Also, what an idiot for shooting that, such a complete waste, he literally could have left it on the side walk and it would have been more productive than shooting it.
Teenagers being unhappy with their chores is a proper response. Posting it on Facebook or in TL blogs makes you an attention whore, regardless of sex or gender.
One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come.
That's the silliest quote from the entire thing. A kid venting shouldn't be considered hurtful nor is it going to stick with anyone else.
So... why do you put the well thought out Q and A in a spoiler in the bottom that no one reads?
As with everything on the internet that goes viral, this is just an overblown media storm about everyday situations.
A teacher posts some frustration about her job at school... happens everyday in normal conversation. But if the wrong person reads it, then it gets nationwide attention and the teacher gets fired.
A kid plays a video prank on some friends.... again it happens everyday. But if it goes viral and enough people cause a stink, the kid faces criminal charges and is branded a sociopath.
On February 12 2012 08:17 Jibba wrote: Teenagers being unhappy with their chores is a proper response. Posting it on Facebook or in TL blogs makes you an attention whore, regardless of sex or gender.
No it doesn't.
By that very definition the vast majority of people, even here on TL, are attention whores.
I think most people of sound mind would argue that using such heavy language (especially in regards to 15 year old girls) is only reserved for the most extreme of cases.
Rather than this rather strange attempt at declaring it as fact, I think you will find that you are in a very small minority of people that would consider it appropriate to call a 15 year old girl an "attention whore" because she made (as far as you know) only 2 posts on facebook.
But perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps the TL community considers calling 15 year olds whores, because they post messages on facebook about their chores, to be perfectly normal.
Girl complains about Facebook, blocking her parents on Facebook so she doesn't have to spit it in their face. She has a "safe-room" where her father can't hear her.
Dad makes youtube video in response to girl complaining and shoots her laptop. Jesus fucking christ? Is he mentally unstable? They seem pretty poor, or at least "average" so I doubt that they can just afford shooting laptops left and right to start things off. I would be scared to live in their house based on this video alone, he gets mad and shoots her laptop wut?
Do not make declarative statements about other people's opinions, because you're wrong and I know you're wrong because of this declarative statement about other people's opinions.
On February 12 2012 08:34 Asol wrote: Girl complains about Facebook, blocking her parents on Facebook so she doesn't have to spit it in their face. She has a "safe-room" where her father can't hear her.
Dad makes youtube video in response to girl complaining and shoots her laptop. Jesus fucking christ? Is he mentally unstable? They seem pretty poor, or at least "average" so I doubt that they can just afford shooting laptops left and right to start things off. I would be scared to live in their house based on this video alone, he gets mad and shoots her laptop wut?
I would be scared to live in the same country as that guy. -____-
On February 12 2012 08:40 Jibba wrote: Do not make declarative statements about other people's opinions, because you're wrong and I know you're wrong because of this declarative statement about other people's opinions.
You seem to be becoming a great deal more confused with every post.
If I recall, there was the business of hypocriscy in my posts that needed to be adressed.
If you are feeling bad about calling a 15 year old girl an "attention whore," then there are more graceful ways of bowing out than what you seem to be doing.
I guess a direct explanation of what you said and why's it's hypocritical isn't sufficient for you, so I'll just go back to playing TERA and you can continue posting like an inflammatory dick like you always do, and get yourself banned by someone else again. That outcome seems satisfactory.
Your entire argument is resting on internet nomenclature that you don't approve of. And you're entitled to disapprove of it, but in the process of justifying your disapproval, you're being a hypocrite. There is no other substance behind your recent posts and you've made no dispute of what anyone else has said. The only thing you've contributed is that you don't like the phrases 'whore' and 'bitch', and you're willing to passive aggressively denigrate all TL users because of it.
And since you don't like me because I pointed out your racist bullshit in other threads, you want to make a fight out of it. But that's irrelevant here, so I'm dropping it now.
On February 12 2012 08:34 Asol wrote: Girl complains about Facebook, blocking her parents on Facebook so she doesn't have to spit it in their face. She has a "safe-room" where her father can't hear her.
Dad makes youtube video in response to girl complaining and shoots her laptop. Jesus fucking christ? Is he mentally unstable? They seem pretty poor, or at least "average" so I doubt that they can just afford shooting laptops left and right to start things off. I would be scared to live in their house based on this video alone, he gets mad and shoots her laptop wut?
I would be scared to live in the same country as that guy. -____-
Well, here's how I see the events.
1. Girl posts stupid stuff on Facebook, gets punished and told never to do it again if she wants computer privileges. 2. Girl does the same thing 3. Father follows through with punishment
All of that seems pretty reasonable to me. The unreasonable part is clearly the shooting of the laptop, but if we take that bit out of the equation, is there really anything out of the ordinary going on? If he'd merely taken her computer away, would there still be a controversy over this?
On February 12 2012 08:47 Jibba wrote: I guess a direct explanation of what you said and why's it's hypocritical isn't sufficient for you, so I'll just go back to playing TERA and you can continue posting like an inflammatory dick like you always do, and get yourself banned by someone else again. That outcome seems satisfactory.
On February 12 2012 08:30 zalz wrote: But perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps the TL community considers calling 15 year olds whores, because they post messages on facebook about their chores, to be perfectly normal.
Regular 15 years-old don't post articles (because from the lenght of it it probably was an article) about such things. Trust me, I was 15 five years ago. Furthermore, regular 15 years-old don't have an Iphone, an Ipod, a laptop, a TV, an Ipad and "a lady who cleans the house".
I don't see what's wrong in this father who tries to pass on his values rather than just letting his daughter drift away from what the family believes is right and fair, just because their financial success has landed them in a place that does not enourage altruism and hard work.
People are usually much lazier and simply accept that they will forever be disappointed by their spoilt kids.
Now, the part where you're being dishonest is where you make a big deal about a young community calling a 15-year old a "whore". Many posters here are around that age and thus consider this girl as their equal.
She's 15...this guy is taking her facebook post, of all things, waaaaay too fucking personally. Teenagers are hormonal and emotional, they're going to do and say irrational things throughout their teenage years. Mr. Oversensitive Redneck Dad needs to calm the fuck down and maybe take a moment to remember when he was a dumbass teenager and did stupid shit, just like his daughter.
On February 12 2012 08:52 Kukaracha wrote:Regular 15 years-old don't post articles (because from the lenght of it it probably was an article) about such things. Trust me, I was 15 five years ago. Furthermore, regular 15 years-old don't have an Iphone, an Ipod, a laptop, a TV, an Ipad and "a lady who cleans the house".
Regular 15 year olds don't complain about their parents? She might have done it in an article format, others do it by talking with their friends when they hang out.
There wasn't an internet that long ago. It only makes sense that where before kids talked about this stuff with their friends, they now share this stuff via the internet with their friends.
Again, she didn't throw this up for the world to see. Her father even prides himself with going around her efforts to cover it.
I don't see what's wrong in this father who tries to pass on his values rather than just letting his daughter drift away from what the family believes is right and fair, just because their financial success has landed them in a place that does not enourage altruism and hard work.
People are usually much lazier and simply accept that they will forever be disappointed by their spoilt kids.
I don't think anyone disagrees with a parent passing on their values to their children. One cannot avoid doing that, even if one tried.
The question at hand is whether this is really the most effective way. Sure it's fun to see a dad go to such extreme lengths and actually shoot a laptop, but when you sit down and really think about it, is this really a good move?
It is so public that ridicule is bound to follow her, and the punishment is little different from the crime (public humiliation to punish public humiliation).
It is important to raise children with a proper set of values and respect. Nobody denies that. The only point is, is this really the best way to go about it?
It just feels cheap and plays into the "we hate the latest generation" vibe that has existed since the first homo sapien had children. As far as actually educating children, I don't think this is really indicative of a healthy parent/child relation.
Now, the part where you're being dishonest is where you make a big deal about a young community calling a 15-year old a "whore". Many posters here are around that age and thus consider this girl as their equal.
I even stated that I hope most people wouldn't say that and expressed my belief that the person that said that was in a minority.
On February 12 2012 08:53 Seanly wrote: She's 15...this guy is taking her facebook post, of all things, waaaaay too fucking personally. Teenagers are hormonal and emotional, they're going to do and say irrational things throughout their teenage years. Mr. Oversensitive Redneck Dad needs to calm the fuck down and maybe take a moment to remember when he was a dumbass teenager and did stupid shit, just like his daughter.
It's not just the Facebook post. It's her entire lifestyle which borders on being spoiled and not being concerned with money and thinking everyone will care for her. You add that to her Facebook post and suddenly it crosses the line beyond normal teenage stupidity. I'm 17 and I've felt the need to post some dumb message on Facebook about my parents or my teachers.
OK, you can argue that shooting your daughter's laptop is not the best parenting technique. But I think it's a heck of a lot better than putting up with your kid's bullshit and watching him turn into a spoiled brat.
On February 12 2012 08:53 Seanly wrote: She's 15...this guy is taking her facebook post, of all things, waaaaay too fucking personally. Teenagers are hormonal and emotional, they're going to do and say irrational things throughout their teenage years. Mr. Oversensitive Redneck Dad needs to calm the fuck down and maybe take a moment to remember when he was a dumbass teenager and did stupid shit, just like his daughter.
I think he makes it pretty clear that even if he was a dumbass teenager, he worked his ass off in high school and college. I would be pissed too if my kid whines about the 30 minutes of chores they have to do every day when that's all they're doing.
A lot of people seem to have an issue with the shooting of the laptop, and say that taking it away would have the same effect. I definitely disagree with this. If it's taken away, the daughter can whine and pout and be a good girl to try to sway the parents to give it back, and then immediately resume her previous attitude (and based on the video, it sounds like this actually happened).
On February 12 2012 08:53 Seanly wrote: She's 15...this guy is taking her facebook post, of all things, waaaaay too fucking personally. Teenagers are hormonal and emotional, they're going to do and say irrational things throughout their teenage years. Mr. Oversensitive Redneck Dad needs to calm the fuck down and maybe take a moment to remember when he was a dumbass teenager and did stupid shit, just like his daughter.
It's not just the Facebook post. It's her entire lifestyle which borders on being spoiled and not being concerned with money and thinking everyone will care for her. You add that to her Facebook post and suddenly it crosses the line beyond normal teenage stupidity. I'm 17 and I've felt the need to post some dumb message on Facebook about my parents or my teachers.
OK, you can argue that shooting your daughter's laptop is not the best parenting technique. But I think it's a heck of a lot better than putting up with your kid's bullshit and watching him turn into a spoiled brat.
wait he shot the lap top? Jee, I wonder where she gets her lack of concern for money from... it's not even just a bad parenting technique, it sets a bad example and a bad precedent. who the hell shoots a laptop?
Seems like she had many chances to redeem herself. He bought her the laptop and then went through all that trouble to update it etc. While shooting the laptop is a bit extreme I can't blame the father, in the end it's HIS laptop, he paid for it so he can do as he pleases with it. Personally I would probably just sell the laptop or take it away for a long time. I love all the people in this thread whining about what a terrible father this man is.
I'm all for gun-control but you need to understand that, given his accent and hat, this family probably lives in an area with a strong gun culture. It may be shocking to us but it probably isn't that big of a deal to them, especially considering that the mother asked for her own bullet too.
A lot of the criticism revolves around the gun but in the end, it's shocking to us, not to them, which is essential. Not a non-issue but not that much of a problem neither.
On February 12 2012 08:53 Seanly wrote: She's 15...this guy is taking her facebook post, of all things, waaaaay too fucking personally. Teenagers are hormonal and emotional, they're going to do and say irrational things throughout their teenage years. Mr. Oversensitive Redneck Dad needs to calm the fuck down and maybe take a moment to remember when he was a dumbass teenager and did stupid shit, just like his daughter.
It's not just the Facebook post. It's her entire lifestyle which borders on being spoiled and not being concerned with money and thinking everyone will care for her. You add that to her Facebook post and suddenly it crosses the line beyond normal teenage stupidity. I'm 17 and I've felt the need to post some dumb message on Facebook about my parents or my teachers.
OK, you can argue that shooting your daughter's laptop is not the best parenting technique. But I think it's a heck of a lot better than putting up with your kid's bullshit and watching him turn into a spoiled brat.
Her entire lifestyle? What the flying fuck are you talking about? You haven't heard SHIT about her lifestyle apart from her dad complaining about her, how could you possibly talk about her LIFESTYLE after hearing her post "complaints" on the internet?
I honestly just don't understand this. Have you NEVER complained about your parents? I don't care if it's on Facebook and/or a website / to friends in person / chat etc. Would your parent then once they found out about it (he brags about getting past her block on Facebook, he seems a bit obsessive - where is her private life?) then do a punishment like this?
YEAH I SHOT YOUR LAPTOP, THAT'LL TEACH MY DAUGHTER THE VALUE OF MONEY AND HARD WORK N ALL THAT
the guy is a 100% out of line. His daughter is 15 lol. Its normal for a kid that age to be lazy/complain about their parents/want expensive stuff. He should've just talked to her and punish her a little. There's really no need to embarass ur kid publicly.
On February 12 2012 08:53 Seanly wrote: She's 15...this guy is taking her facebook post, of all things, waaaaay too fucking personally. Teenagers are hormonal and emotional, they're going to do and say irrational things throughout their teenage years. Mr. Oversensitive Redneck Dad needs to calm the fuck down and maybe take a moment to remember when he was a dumbass teenager and did stupid shit, just like his daughter.
entire lifestyle
Her entire lifestyle? What the flying fuck are you talking about? You haven't heard SHIT about her lifestyle apart from her dad complaining about her, how could you possibly talk about her LIFESTYLE after hearing her post "complaints" on the internet".
I honestly just don't understand this. Have you NEVER complained about your parents? I don't care if it's on Facebook and/or a website / to friends in person / chat etc. Would your parent then once they found out about it (he brags about getting past her block on Facebook, he seems a bit obsessive - where is her private life?) then do a punishment like this?
YEAH I SHOT YOUR LAPTOP, THAT'LL TEACH MY DAUGHTER THE VALUE OF MONEY AND HARD WORK N ALL THAT
What the fuck? It's scary, simple as that.
The fact that he "shot" it isn't important. Shot = took away irrevocably. "YEAH I IRREVOCABLY TOOK AWAY YOUR LAPTOP, THAT'LL TEACH MY DAUGHTER HOW LITTLE SHE REALLY HAS WITHOUT THE SUPPORT AND GENEROSITY OF HER PARENTS AND THEIR MONEY AND HARD WORK".
Update: This may come as a wild shock to some.. wait for it.. wait.... (I need that guy who did the awesome HD youtube parody to do me an intro here. Where is he when I need him?)
I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all. I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.
I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT? I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!
I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious. (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to. (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)
I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes. I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.
I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)
I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy
I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.
That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol
Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.
The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?
The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)
She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)
Back to me being a normal guy... I digressed again. You guys caught me on eight and a half minutes of ONE day in my life, probably the worst day in my life as a father. So, all in all, I consider the vast overwhelming show of support to be very very gratifying... that was me at my worst, not my best. If most of you found me OK as a Dad at that time, then I'm definitely OK the rest of the time. I was angry, hurt as hell, emotional as can possibly be, and stunned still. I'd taken an hour to compose myself, but apparently I should have waited longer.. and maybe used the .22 instead of the .45. (And since when does an 8 minute video EVER go viral? And maybe the next video I'll do will be auctioning the pistol I used.. that should buy some serious college tuition, but please understand that I will definitely use the profits to also purchase a replacement .45.)
I'd like to think that if a camera followed me around and filmed every moment of my life as a parent, most of you out there would still put me in the plus column. Truthfully most of you would probably be bored. I'm just ordinary. I was raised old fashioned, and I raise my kids the same way... the modern generational concepts be damned! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I'll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren't the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I'm always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn't it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point: I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"
I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?" Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
(packing my soapbox away and going to bed now)
That was a great read. I agree this really should be put in the OP as well. I think it would really clarify a lot of the absurd assumptions people are making about this situation.
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
I read this comment before I was finished watching the video, and I thought you were referring to a figure of speech or something, and I was thinking "Nah man, this guy doesn't sound like a child, everything he's said so far is reasonable."
Then I saw him shoot the laptop.
What the hell? You can discipline your kids and punish disobedience without destruction of property and the undoing of time and effort. He could have just given the laptop to the "cleaning lady" as a gift or something, which would have made a thousand times more sense, and been a lot less scary.
What the hell.
EDIT: Although... reading the interview... was interesting. I guess if you can afford to do something like that, then it's an effective method. But most people can't afford to do that
On February 12 2012 08:53 Seanly wrote: She's 15...this guy is taking her facebook post, of all things, waaaaay too fucking personally. Teenagers are hormonal and emotional, they're going to do and say irrational things throughout their teenage years. Mr. Oversensitive Redneck Dad needs to calm the fuck down and maybe take a moment to remember when he was a dumbass teenager and did stupid shit, just like his daughter.
entire lifestyle
Her entire lifestyle? What the flying fuck are you talking about? You haven't heard SHIT about her lifestyle apart from her dad complaining about her, how could you possibly talk about her LIFESTYLE after hearing her post "complaints" on the internet".
I honestly just don't understand this. Have you NEVER complained about your parents? I don't care if it's on Facebook and/or a website / to friends in person / chat etc. Would your parent then once they found out about it (he brags about getting past her block on Facebook, he seems a bit obsessive - where is her private life?) then do a punishment like this?
YEAH I SHOT YOUR LAPTOP, THAT'LL TEACH MY DAUGHTER THE VALUE OF MONEY AND HARD WORK N ALL THAT
What the fuck? It's scary, simple as that.
The fact that he "shot" it isn't important. Shot = took away irrevocably. "YEAH I IRREVOCABLY TOOK AWAY YOUR LAPTOP, THAT'LL TEACH MY DAUGHTER HOW LITTLE SHE REALLY HAS WITHOUT THE SUPPORT AND GENEROSITY OF HER PARENTS AND THEIR MONEY AND HARD WORK".
But instead of simply selling it (which would be extreme imo) he DESTROYED it o.0 This must also be a cultural difference perhaps, but as I view it I place my children before and above all else. I would never purposefully attempt to hurt them, there's always a logical and better way to deal with this situation. He publicly embarassed her, she'll carry this for life for sure. Is that how you want to raise your children? This is a pathetic redneck attempting to raise a child the rough way.
On February 12 2012 08:53 Seanly wrote: She's 15...this guy is taking her facebook post, of all things, waaaaay too fucking personally. Teenagers are hormonal and emotional, they're going to do and say irrational things throughout their teenage years. Mr. Oversensitive Redneck Dad needs to calm the fuck down and maybe take a moment to remember when he was a dumbass teenager and did stupid shit, just like his daughter.
entire lifestyle
Her entire lifestyle? What the flying fuck are you talking about? You haven't heard SHIT about her lifestyle apart from her dad complaining about her, how could you possibly talk about her LIFESTYLE after hearing her post "complaints" on the internet".
I honestly just don't understand this. Have you NEVER complained about your parents? I don't care if it's on Facebook and/or a website / to friends in person / chat etc. Would your parent then once they found out about it (he brags about getting past her block on Facebook, he seems a bit obsessive - where is her private life?) then do a punishment like this?
YEAH I SHOT YOUR LAPTOP, THAT'LL TEACH MY DAUGHTER THE VALUE OF MONEY AND HARD WORK N ALL THAT
What the fuck? It's scary, simple as that.
The fact that he "shot" it isn't important. Shot = took away irrevocably. "YEAH I IRREVOCABLY TOOK AWAY YOUR LAPTOP, THAT'LL TEACH MY DAUGHTER HOW LITTLE SHE REALLY HAS WITHOUT THE SUPPORT AND GENEROSITY OF HER PARENTS AND THEIR MONEY AND HARD WORK".
But instead of simply selling it (which would be extreme imo) he DESTROYED it o.0 This must also be a cultural difference perhaps, but as I view it I place my children before and above all else. I would never purposefully attempt to hurt them, there's always a logical and better way to deal with this situation. He publicly embarassed her, she'll carry this for life for sure. Is that how you want to raise your children? This is a pathetic redneck attempting to raise a child the rough way.
The idea is to raise a tough, proud person.
I was raised in a poor neighbourhood in Chile, and it gives me many advantages over European sissies. I'm never depressed. I don't care about money. I don't waste money on phones, mp3s and other. I take pride in what I do, and consider it very important to build something for myself.
Do not be mistaken, her father is doing this for her own good. Parents who only shower their children with love, submission and gold will raise weak and spoilt persons.
On February 12 2012 08:53 Seanly wrote: She's 15...this guy is taking her facebook post, of all things, waaaaay too fucking personally. Teenagers are hormonal and emotional, they're going to do and say irrational things throughout their teenage years. Mr. Oversensitive Redneck Dad needs to calm the fuck down and maybe take a moment to remember when he was a dumbass teenager and did stupid shit, just like his daughter.
entire lifestyle
Her entire lifestyle? What the flying fuck are you talking about? You haven't heard SHIT about her lifestyle apart from her dad complaining about her, how could you possibly talk about her LIFESTYLE after hearing her post "complaints" on the internet".
I honestly just don't understand this. Have you NEVER complained about your parents? I don't care if it's on Facebook and/or a website / to friends in person / chat etc. Would your parent then once they found out about it (he brags about getting past her block on Facebook, he seems a bit obsessive - where is her private life?) then do a punishment like this?
YEAH I SHOT YOUR LAPTOP, THAT'LL TEACH MY DAUGHTER THE VALUE OF MONEY AND HARD WORK N ALL THAT
What the fuck? It's scary, simple as that.
The fact that he "shot" it isn't important. Shot = took away irrevocably. "YEAH I IRREVOCABLY TOOK AWAY YOUR LAPTOP, THAT'LL TEACH MY DAUGHTER HOW LITTLE SHE REALLY HAS WITHOUT THE SUPPORT AND GENEROSITY OF HER PARENTS AND THEIR MONEY AND HARD WORK".
But instead of simply selling it (which would be extreme imo) he DESTROYED it o.0 This must also be a cultural difference perhaps, but as I view it I place my children before and above all else. I would never purposefully attempt to hurt them, there's always a logical and better way to deal with this situation. He publicly embarassed her, she'll carry this for life for sure. Is that how you want to raise your children? This is a pathetic redneck attempting to raise a child the rough way.
The idea is to raise a tough, proud person.
I was raised in a poor neighbourhood in Chile, and it gives me many advantages over European sissies. I'm never depressed. I don't care about money. I don't waste money on phones, mp3s and other. I take pride in what I do, and consider it very important to build something for myself.
Do not be mistaken, her father is doing this for her own good. Parents who only shower their children with love, submission and gold will raise weak and spoilt persons.
On February 12 2012 08:53 Seanly wrote: She's 15...this guy is taking her facebook post, of all things, waaaaay too fucking personally. Teenagers are hormonal and emotional, they're going to do and say irrational things throughout their teenage years. Mr. Oversensitive Redneck Dad needs to calm the fuck down and maybe take a moment to remember when he was a dumbass teenager and did stupid shit, just like his daughter.
entire lifestyle
Her entire lifestyle? What the flying fuck are you talking about? You haven't heard SHIT about her lifestyle apart from her dad complaining about her, how could you possibly talk about her LIFESTYLE after hearing her post "complaints" on the internet".
I honestly just don't understand this. Have you NEVER complained about your parents? I don't care if it's on Facebook and/or a website / to friends in person / chat etc. Would your parent then once they found out about it (he brags about getting past her block on Facebook, he seems a bit obsessive - where is her private life?) then do a punishment like this?
YEAH I SHOT YOUR LAPTOP, THAT'LL TEACH MY DAUGHTER THE VALUE OF MONEY AND HARD WORK N ALL THAT
What the fuck? It's scary, simple as that.
The fact that he "shot" it isn't important. Shot = took away irrevocably. "YEAH I IRREVOCABLY TOOK AWAY YOUR LAPTOP, THAT'LL TEACH MY DAUGHTER HOW LITTLE SHE REALLY HAS WITHOUT THE SUPPORT AND GENEROSITY OF HER PARENTS AND THEIR MONEY AND HARD WORK".
But instead of simply selling it (which would be extreme imo) he DESTROYED it o.0 This must also be a cultural difference perhaps, but as I view it I place my children before and above all else. I would never purposefully attempt to hurt them, there's always a logical and better way to deal with this situation. He publicly embarassed her, she'll carry this for life for sure. Is that how you want to raise your children? This is a pathetic redneck attempting to raise a child the rough way.
The idea is to raise a tough, proud person.
I was raised in a poor neighbourhood in Chile, and it gives me many advantages over European sissies. I'm never depressed. I don't care about money. I don't waste money on phones, mp3s and other. I take pride in what I do, and consider it very important to build something for myself.
Do not be mistaken, her father is doing this for her own good. Parents who only shower their children with love, submission and gold will raise weak and spoilt persons.
And kind of a generalizing dick, apparently.
Everyone generalizes. You either accept it, try to educate yourself the best you can and go on with life, or criticize others on something that is commong to every conscious being.
And yes, tough and proud persons don't really care about hurting other people's feelings. It's a key to success.
On February 12 2012 10:06 Chairman Ray wrote: The girl is going to kill herself. Calling it now.
No, she's not. The dad has commented on his Facebook that although she was initially mad (and who wouldn't be) she is doing fine. People even lobbied for Child Protection Services to go and check them out...guess what, they found nothing to suggest that his daughter has been harmed by this experience at all.
Give it a bit of thought and you'll realize that this isn't a big deal at all.
Update: This may come as a wild shock to some.. wait for it.. wait.... (I need that guy who did the awesome HD youtube parody to do me an intro here. Where is he when I need him?)
I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all. I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.
I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT? I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!
I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious. (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to. (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)
I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes. I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.
I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)
I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy
I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.
That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol
Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.
The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?
The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)
She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)
Back to me being a normal guy... I digressed again. You guys caught me on eight and a half minutes of ONE day in my life, probably the worst day in my life as a father. So, all in all, I consider the vast overwhelming show of support to be very very gratifying... that was me at my worst, not my best. If most of you found me OK as a Dad at that time, then I'm definitely OK the rest of the time. I was angry, hurt as hell, emotional as can possibly be, and stunned still. I'd taken an hour to compose myself, but apparently I should have waited longer.. and maybe used the .22 instead of the .45. (And since when does an 8 minute video EVER go viral? And maybe the next video I'll do will be auctioning the pistol I used.. that should buy some serious college tuition, but please understand that I will definitely use the profits to also purchase a replacement .45.)
I'd like to think that if a camera followed me around and filmed every moment of my life as a parent, most of you out there would still put me in the plus column. Truthfully most of you would probably be bored. I'm just ordinary. I was raised old fashioned, and I raise my kids the same way... the modern generational concepts be damned! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I'll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren't the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I'm always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn't it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point: I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"
I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?" Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
(packing my soapbox away and going to bed now)
edit: It looks like it was already posted but people seem to be missing it still..
On February 12 2012 09:23 -dash wrote: Why is this a thing? Why would you do this? The only thing this man managed to illustrate is his lack of decorum.
You managed to prove you can watch a video and not understand what it's about! :D
Unless you didn't watch the video, then you managed to prove you can comment on something you know very little about! :D
^Doesn't understand the meaning of decorum. Please google it. And reading the facebook post aye, it sounded good until the end. That was hilarious, and him understanding school - wat? Has he even been to uni lol?
Update: This may come as a wild shock to some.. wait for it.. wait.... (I need that guy who did the awesome HD youtube parody to do me an intro here. Where is he when I need him?)
I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all. I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.
I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT? I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!
I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious. (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to. (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)
I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes. I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.
I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)
I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy
I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.
That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol
Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.
The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?
The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)
She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)
Back to me being a normal guy... I digressed again. You guys caught me on eight and a half minutes of ONE day in my life, probably the worst day in my life as a father. So, all in all, I consider the vast overwhelming show of support to be very very gratifying... that was me at my worst, not my best. If most of you found me OK as a Dad at that time, then I'm definitely OK the rest of the time. I was angry, hurt as hell, emotional as can possibly be, and stunned still. I'd taken an hour to compose myself, but apparently I should have waited longer.. and maybe used the .22 instead of the .45. (And since when does an 8 minute video EVER go viral? And maybe the next video I'll do will be auctioning the pistol I used.. that should buy some serious college tuition, but please understand that I will definitely use the profits to also purchase a replacement .45.)
I'd like to think that if a camera followed me around and filmed every moment of my life as a parent, most of you out there would still put me in the plus column. Truthfully most of you would probably be bored. I'm just ordinary. I was raised old fashioned, and I raise my kids the same way... the modern generational concepts be damned! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I'll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren't the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I'm always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn't it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point: I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"
I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?" Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
(packing my soapbox away and going to bed now)
edit: It looks like it was already posted but people seem to be missing it still..
wow after reading all of this the man is even more of a genius now
seriously I advise anyone to read it (if not the whole thing just read the last section he writes)
On February 12 2012 10:17 Asol wrote: ^Doesn't understand the meaning of decorum. Please google it. And reading the facebook post aye, it sounded good until the end. That was hilarious, and him understanding school - wat? Has he even been to uni lol?
What are you talking about? As someone who recently graduated high school in the U.S., I can assure you his impressions about the education system and our generation's beliefs about working are entirely accurate.
That guy is certainly no genius. He just did a shitty thing and instead of a simple apology he tries to justify himself. All he does is serving hackneyed phrases about the spoiled young generation and how he fights for real values. And like always when someone says things like that too many people just eat it. Complete bullshit. What does that any of that rambling about "teachers dont teach real mathematics anymore" have to do with shooting the laptop?
On February 12 2012 10:17 Asol wrote: ^Doesn't understand the meaning of decorum. Please google it. And reading the facebook post aye, it sounded good until the end. That was hilarious, and him understanding school - wat? Has he even been to uni lol?
He's talking about secondary level education. And there are many concerns here in Europe about the US' early school system (I don't know about the US perspective), being able to drop history that early just seems odd. Different models and cultures.
On February 11 2012 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Not gonna watch video, dont feel like getting annoyed at how retarded this person obviously is.
Teenagers have whined about their parents ever since the word 'teenager' was invented, and whining on facebook is not different from whining to friends --
How can you call someone retarded without seeing anything more than a still image of them sitting in a chair? He calmly explains the situation then shoots a laptop. No raging or anything.
Update: This may come as a wild shock to some.. wait for it.. wait.... (I need that guy who did the awesome HD youtube parody to do me an intro here. Where is he when I need him?)
I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all. I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.
I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT? I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!
I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious. (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to. (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)
I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes. I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.
I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)
I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy
I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.
That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol
Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.
The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?
The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)
She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)
Back to me being a normal guy... I digressed again. You guys caught me on eight and a half minutes of ONE day in my life, probably the worst day in my life as a father. So, all in all, I consider the vast overwhelming show of support to be very very gratifying... that was me at my worst, not my best. If most of you found me OK as a Dad at that time, then I'm definitely OK the rest of the time. I was angry, hurt as hell, emotional as can possibly be, and stunned still. I'd taken an hour to compose myself, but apparently I should have waited longer.. and maybe used the .22 instead of the .45. (And since when does an 8 minute video EVER go viral? And maybe the next video I'll do will be auctioning the pistol I used.. that should buy some serious college tuition, but please understand that I will definitely use the profits to also purchase a replacement .45.)
I'd like to think that if a camera followed me around and filmed every moment of my life as a parent, most of you out there would still put me in the plus column. Truthfully most of you would probably be bored. I'm just ordinary. I was raised old fashioned, and I raise my kids the same way... the modern generational concepts be damned! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I'll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren't the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I'm always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn't it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point: I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"
I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?" Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
(packing my soapbox away and going to bed now)
edit: It looks like it was already posted but people seem to be missing it still..
wow after reading all of this the man is even more of a genius now
seriously I advise anyone to read it (if not the whole thing just read the last section he writes)
On February 12 2012 10:41 Fenrax wrote: That guy is certainly no genius. He just did a shitty thing and instead of a simple apology he tries to justify himself. All he does is serving hackneyed phrases about the spoiled young generation and how he fights for real values. And like always when someone says things like that too many people just eat it. Complete bullshit. What does that any of that rambling about "teachers dont teach real mathematics anymore" have to do with shooting the laptop?
He's a good parent. Very few can say so. If you want to call BS, raise a family.
Whether or not you agree with the fathers methods, he has a strong message. All he want's is to show his daughter what it means to be independent and self sufficient. In fact all good parents should be teaching their children this. He just has a different way of going about it and you can't call it wrong because that is HIS daughter and he can raise her how he sees she should be raised.
On February 12 2012 10:57 FeUerFlieGe wrote: and you can't call it wrong because that is HIS daughter and he can raise her how he sees she should be raised.
Wow, this is hard to read. So every father should raise his child as he wants, regardless whatever he does and wants?
I find it hilarious that people are trying to tell other people how to raise their kids based on 1 video of information over 16yrs of his daughters life, and I bet most people here don't even have kids. Everything people are complaining about is explained in the video.
It's tough love, all you anti-gun people are just going crazy because the man shoots a gun, get over it, what if he smashed it with a sledgehammer, it's the same shit and people wouldn't be linking it to mental disorders and all of that b.s. Get real, the gun served the same purpose as any other means of destruction. Seriously, get over it.
From what he explained in the video, hes actually a pretty damn good parent, who gives her what she wants, and asks for some chores in return. She has already disrespected him on FB before, and said if she did it again, it would be a lot worse than before. Your kid isn't going to disown you over an incident like this, shes going to be thinking a lot about what she did and when the tension boils down, things will most likely get better.
The gun, her father smoking a cigarette in a lawn chair, being a 'hick' those are all irrelevant to how you parent your children. I feel like so many people here are overly sensitive, you don't raise your kids by ALWAYS talking to them, at least at first... actions speak louder. It's pretty damn obvious hes showing her how immature she is, by doing the same shit she did, and posting it on FB. He didn't ruin her Life, I bet she'll actually thank him later on for giving her a reality check.
On February 12 2012 10:17 Asol wrote: ^Doesn't understand the meaning of decorum. Please google it. And reading the facebook post aye, it sounded good until the end. That was hilarious, and him understanding school - wat? Has he even been to uni lol?
What are you talking about? As someone who recently graduated high school in the U.S., I can assure you his impressions about the education system and our generation's beliefs about working are entirely accurate.
My school wouldn't allow calculators unless there was some extenuating reasons (prepping for my AP Calc Calculator part of the exam comes to mind ) and now at university we can't use calculators period. I went to a private school though so maybe shit was ran differently there.
On February 12 2012 10:06 Chairman Ray wrote: The girl is going to kill herself. Calling it now.
No, she's not. The dad has commented on his Facebook that although she was initially mad (and who wouldn't be) she is doing fine. People even lobbied for Child Protection Services to go and check them out...guess what, they found nothing to suggest that his daughter has been harmed by this experience at all.
Give it a bit of thought and you'll realize that this isn't a big deal at all.
On February 12 2012 10:57 FeUerFlieGe wrote: and you can't call it wrong because that is HIS daughter and he can raise her how he sees she should be raised.
Wow, this is hard to read. So every father should raise his child as he wants, regardless whatever he does and wants?
Absolutely. Parents should raise their children as they see fit, unless it is in violation of the law, such as abuse.
On February 12 2012 10:41 Fenrax wrote: That guy is certainly no genius. He just did a shitty thing and instead of a simple apology he tries to justify himself. All he does is serving hackneyed phrases about the spoiled young generation and how he fights for real values. And like always when someone says things like that too many people just eat it. Complete bullshit. What does that any of that rambling about "teachers dont teach real mathematics anymore" have to do with shooting the laptop?
This, he is taking his world view and basically telling everybody else that if their's doesn't conform they are misguided and that if they aren't raised with it, they have no hope of being a good responsible adult or person etc. He sounds like a typical conservative close-minded douchebag straight from the South.
On February 12 2012 11:11 v3chr0 wrote: It's tough love, all you anti-gun people are just going crazy because the man shoots a gun, get over it, what if he smashed it with a sledgehammer, it's the same shit and people wouldn't be linking it to mental disorders and all of that b.s. Get real, the gun served the same purpose as any other means of destruction. Seriously, get over it.
I am incredibly disappointed over his use of a gun to shoot the laptop. It was a horrible thing for him to do.
...because a sledgehammer would have been SO MUCH MORE FUN =D
Read his post, and his Q&A with a report by email. I completely support him now, it seems like he seems fairly normal, and did this to make a point. I mean, this has occurred before (what she did, and they took the laptop away), and apparently the daughter did not remember what happened and the consequences. I guess he felt that something much more dramatic had to occur for the daughter to listen up, and it did. He discussed it with the daughter afterward, and everything seems to have worked out.
As for the gun being over dramagic, I think they are a gun friendly house as the daughter wants a .22 rifle.
On February 12 2012 11:11 v3chr0 wrote: I find it hilarious that people are trying to tell other people how to raise their kids based on 1 video of information over 16yrs of his daughters life, and I bet most people here don't even have kids. Everything people are complaining about is explained in the video.
It's tough love, all you anti-gun people are just going crazy because the man shoots a gun, get over it, what if he smashed it with a sledgehammer, it's the same shit and people wouldn't be linking it to mental disorders and all of that b.s. Get real, the gun served the same purpose as any other means of destruction. Seriously, get over it.
From what he explained in the video, hes actually a pretty damn good parent, who gives her what she wants, and asks for some chores in return. She has already disrespected him on FB before, and said if she did it again, it would be a lot worse than before. Your kid isn't going to disown you over an incident like this, shes going to be thinking a lot about what she did and when the tension boils down, things will most likely get better.
The gun, her father smoking a cigarette in a lawn chair, being a 'hick' those are all irrelevant to how you parent your children. I feel like so many people here are overly sensitive, you don't raise your kids by ALWAYS talking to them, at least at first... actions speak louder. It's pretty damn obvious hes showing her how immature she is, by doing the same shit she did, and posting it on FB. He didn't ruin her Life, I bet she'll actually thank him later on for giving her a reality check.
I think some of guys need one.
Cant we just remove every post in this thread except this one and call it a day?
I love that people who fight constantly against being labeled things like, for instance, nerd or geek, are so quick to call this guy a "stupid hick". "You're wearing a starcraft shirt? You must be a smelly nerd with no life." That's essentially on the same level. I don't think that this guy really did anything awful, it was his own money spent on the laptop, and if I had just spent my time and money to do something for somebody and then found out they did something similar to what his daughter did, I might do the same thing (without the gun lol.) I don't understand why this would offend people so much, the daughter isn't entitled to anything, but clearly she has family that loves her and plenty of opportunity. I think the people who this really bothers have really short-term memory (and can't remember likely how obnoxious they were when they were 15) or are actually still in that angsty whiny phase.
On February 12 2012 10:57 FeUerFlieGe wrote: and you can't call it wrong because that is HIS daughter and he can raise her how he sees she should be raised.
Wow, this is hard to read. So every father should raise his child as he wants, regardless whatever he does and wants?
Yes that is his property and his responsibility not anyone else's. I'm guessing your concerned about child abuse wich of course is a problem, but that usually involves neglect and abuse of parental powers which of course should be addressed. It is apparent however that this is neither so I uphold my earlier statement.
i done wish i had me a belt buckle, cowboy hat, and gun to shoot stuff. I don't wish i had a facebook. i dont what is funnier...the cowboy dad or the girl telling the world her life story via facebook...no one care how difficult your life is...you are not that important. this post is not that important.
On February 12 2012 11:11 v3chr0 wrote: I find it hilarious that people are trying to tell other people how to raise their kids based on 1 video of information over 16yrs of his daughters life, and I bet most people here don't even have kids. Everything people are complaining about is explained in the video.
It's tough love, all you anti-gun people are just going crazy because the man shoots a gun, get over it, what if he smashed it with a sledgehammer, it's the same shit and people wouldn't be linking it to mental disorders and all of that b.s. Get real, the gun served the same purpose as any other means of destruction. Seriously, get over it.
From what he explained in the video, hes actually a pretty damn good parent, who gives her what she wants, and asks for some chores in return. She has already disrespected him on FB before, and said if she did it again, it would be a lot worse than before. Your kid isn't going to disown you over an incident like this, shes going to be thinking a lot about what she did and when the tension boils down, things will most likely get better.
The gun, her father smoking a cigarette in a lawn chair, being a 'hick' those are all irrelevant to how you parent your children. I feel like so many people here are overly sensitive, you don't raise your kids by ALWAYS talking to them, at least at first... actions speak louder. It's pretty damn obvious hes showing her how immature she is, by doing the same shit she did, and posting it on FB. He didn't ruin her Life, I bet she'll actually thank him later on for giving her a reality check.
I think some of guys need one.
Cant we just remove every post in this thread except this one and call it a day?
I second this.
And about that "whore" discussion a few pages back, there is a difference in "whore" and "attention whore", "attention whore" is just an extreme way to describe a person that does stupid shit because (s)he wants attention and has nothing to do with selling your body.
On February 12 2012 11:11 v3chr0 wrote: I find it hilarious that people are trying to tell other people how to raise their kids based on 1 video of information over 16yrs of his daughters life, and I bet most people here don't even have kids. Everything people are complaining about is explained in the video.
It's tough love, all you anti-gun people are just going crazy because the man shoots a gun, get over it, what if he smashed it with a sledgehammer, it's the same shit and people wouldn't be linking it to mental disorders and all of that b.s. Get real, the gun served the same purpose as any other means of destruction. Seriously, get over it.
From what he explained in the video, hes actually a pretty damn good parent, who gives her what she wants, and asks for some chores in return. She has already disrespected him on FB before, and said if she did it again, it would be a lot worse than before. Your kid isn't going to disown you over an incident like this, shes going to be thinking a lot about what she did and when the tension boils down, things will most likely get better.
The gun, her father smoking a cigarette in a lawn chair, being a 'hick' those are all irrelevant to how you parent your children. I feel like so many people here are overly sensitive, you don't raise your kids by ALWAYS talking to them, at least at first... actions speak louder. It's pretty damn obvious hes showing her how immature she is, by doing the same shit she did, and posting it on FB. He didn't ruin her Life, I bet she'll actually thank him later on for giving her a reality check.
I think some of guys need one.
Cant we just remove every post in this thread except this one and call it a day?
No, because there are a few things wrong with it. First of all he just believes what the guy explains in the video. Of course he says he is a good father. Good fathers say that, horrible fathers say that. That is just not relevant. Second he not only did to her what she did to him, he did something far worse. He is the father and should try to be a role model, not seeking for revenge.
Also, many of you complaing about how you and he represents the "life is tough guys" and those criticizing are weaklings. But isn't that guy the biggest sissy? "oh my goodness my daughter disrespected me on facebook, lah di dah". Yeah, tough. What's next? Did your 5 year old call you "mean"? Shoot his teddy bear!
On February 12 2012 11:11 v3chr0 wrote: I find it hilarious that people are trying to tell other people how to raise their kids based on 1 video of information over 16yrs of his daughters life, and I bet most people here don't even have kids. Everything people are complaining about is explained in the video.
It's tough love, all you anti-gun people are just going crazy because the man shoots a gun, get over it, what if he smashed it with a sledgehammer, it's the same shit and people wouldn't be linking it to mental disorders and all of that b.s. Get real, the gun served the same purpose as any other means of destruction. Seriously, get over it.
From what he explained in the video, hes actually a pretty damn good parent, who gives her what she wants, and asks for some chores in return. She has already disrespected him on FB before, and said if she did it again, it would be a lot worse than before. Your kid isn't going to disown you over an incident like this, shes going to be thinking a lot about what she did and when the tension boils down, things will most likely get better.
The gun, her father smoking a cigarette in a lawn chair, being a 'hick' those are all irrelevant to how you parent your children. I feel like so many people here are overly sensitive, you don't raise your kids by ALWAYS talking to them, at least at first... actions speak louder. It's pretty damn obvious hes showing her how immature she is, by doing the same shit she did, and posting it on FB. He didn't ruin her Life, I bet she'll actually thank him later on for giving her a reality check.
I think some of guys need one.
Cant we just remove every post in this thread except this one and call it a day?
No, because there are a few things wrong with it. First of all he just believes what the guy explains in the video. Of course he says he is a good father. Good fathers say that, horrible fathers say that. That is just not relevant. Second he not only did to her what she did to him, he did something far worse. He is the father and should try to be a role model, not seeking for revenge.
Also, many of you complaing about how you and he represents the "life is tough guys" and those criticizing are weaklings. But isn't that guy the biggest sissy? "oh my goodness my daughter disrespected me on facebook, lah di dah". Yeah, tough. What's next? Did your 5 year old call you "mean"? Shoot his teddy bear!
The difference is that the 5 year old is 5 years old. The daughter is much older.
Furthermore, how exactly would you have reprimanded the child? Would you have continued with a punishment that clearly doesn't have the desired effect?
On February 12 2012 11:11 v3chr0 wrote: I find it hilarious that people are trying to tell other people how to raise their kids based on 1 video of information over 16yrs of his daughters life, and I bet most people here don't even have kids. Everything people are complaining about is explained in the video.
It's tough love, all you anti-gun people are just going crazy because the man shoots a gun, get over it, what if he smashed it with a sledgehammer, it's the same shit and people wouldn't be linking it to mental disorders and all of that b.s. Get real, the gun served the same purpose as any other means of destruction. Seriously, get over it.
From what he explained in the video, hes actually a pretty damn good parent, who gives her what she wants, and asks for some chores in return. She has already disrespected him on FB before, and said if she did it again, it would be a lot worse than before. Your kid isn't going to disown you over an incident like this, shes going to be thinking a lot about what she did and when the tension boils down, things will most likely get better.
The gun, her father smoking a cigarette in a lawn chair, being a 'hick' those are all irrelevant to how you parent your children. I feel like so many people here are overly sensitive, you don't raise your kids by ALWAYS talking to them, at least at first... actions speak louder. It's pretty damn obvious hes showing her how immature she is, by doing the same shit she did, and posting it on FB. He didn't ruin her Life, I bet she'll actually thank him later on for giving her a reality check.
I think some of guys need one.
Cant we just remove every post in this thread except this one and call it a day?
No, because there are a few things wrong with it. First of all he just believes what the guy explains in the video. Of course he says he is a good father. Good fathers say that, horrible fathers say that. That is just not relevant. Second he not only did to her what she did to him, he did something far worse. He is the father and should try to be a role model, not seeking for revenge.
Also, many of you complaing about how you and he represents the "life is tough guys" and those criticizing are weaklings. But isn't that guy the biggest sissy? "oh my goodness my daughter disrespected me on facebook, lah di dah". Yeah, tough. What's next? Did your 5 year old call you "mean"? Shoot his teddy bear!
The reason why I believe hes a good parent, is because in the video, he displayed he is/was reasonable before this incident. And the followup further explains how the situation turned out, and is alright now. I'm not assuming any more than I know, unlike many others.
This post may help explain:
On February 12 2012 11:35 wunsun wrote: Read his post, and his Q&A with a report by email. I completely support him now, it seems like he seems fairly normal, and did this to make a point. I mean, this has occurred before (what she did, and they took the laptop away), and apparently the daughter did not remember what happened and the consequences. I guess he felt that something much more dramatic had to occur for the daughter to listen up, and it did. He discussed it with the daughter afterward, and everything seems to have worked out.
As for the gun being over dramagic, I think they are a gun friendly house as the daughter wants a .22 rifle.
In this world that we live in we need to spread positive karma. Karma is very real, take for example someone respecting another person, that person will likely respect another person they see. While the actions of the first individual may not benefit him immediately or ever, karma is real in the fact that he is bringing good into the world. Acts like these by the father are responses to negative karma.
I believe the daughter was acting out of bad karma passed to her from some other individual, and in that same respect, passed it into her words she expressed on facebook. The father received this negative karma and responded accordingly.
Imagine the world as a human body, the more toxins, or bad karma we put into it, the less functional it becomes. But if we spread good karma, the body will function and prosper. Sorry if that was a bad example. The point being, if we can avoid spreading bad karma, then situations like this will never occur.
Spread the good karma, you will feel better, and knowing that you made someone else feel better, as well as possibly an infinite number of people, you should be very proud. You are all very important to me and I try to spread this knowledge out of love for all humans. Thanks for reading my post, I sincerely hope you have a great rest of the day. (:
I'm just amazed how he thought shooting it was a better idea than giving it away or donating it. The big lesson he taught here was break shit when you're mad.
Not to mention that she'll never forget this and it will most likely fuel more hate in the future.
I am very much in favor of what he did. The girl was being melodramatic and spoiled, and he told her not to fuck with him. I don't like the way he did it though; he seemed to want to retaliate and 'get at her' instead of teach her (although I know he tried before).
What I am most concerned about now is that he might have legitimately ruined her life, considering this video has exploded with views like I have never seen before. And, as most of you should know, high schoolers are very unforgiving...
I thought it was pretty funny. There's definitely better responses to her behavior, but he at least provided me, the home viewer a significant amount of amusement.
On February 12 2012 14:41 Proko wrote: I thought it was pretty funny. There's definitely better responses to her behavior, but he at least provided me, the home viewer a significant amount of amusement.
Such as what, expensive counseling that rarely changes anything?
On February 11 2012 12:04 Azzur wrote: She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.
Apparently, after reading everything the dad has said, his method was effective for disciplining his own kids. So we can't really judge. I still think it's not going to be very effective for 99% of parents, but for him it works. That's good. One thing, how is she supposed to understand the value of money when you put a bullet through a $1200 laptop? Wouldn't it be much more practical to sell it, or give it to somebody?
My parents discplined me similarly when I was very young but from around 12 or 13 yrs old and onwards I have been more wary of getting in trouble than anything. Now 21 I haven't been discplined by my parents for at least 6 or so years, but I am just as wary of getting in trouble at a job and am extremely frugal with money or any other resource. I'm thankful for what they did.
On February 12 2012 19:09 ragingfungus wrote: Is it bad that I'm just annoyed that he destroyed a perfectly good computer that someone could have used?
Could have fed africans or donated to any school/institution... aren't there like arsenic in the iii-v materials for those computers... and other heavy metals...
This guy is obviously very immature. Stooping down to the level of his daughter isn't a good way to teach her a lesson imo. Teenagers are definitely ungrateful and disrespectful, but that is normal and to be expected. The only thing this is doing is making his daughter even more mad at them. Instead of having a talk with her about this, he reacts emotionally and destroys a laptop for really no good reason. Seriously, act like an adult instead of a child if you want to be taken seriously.
On February 12 2012 19:20 IMoperator wrote: This guy is obviously very immature. Stooping down to the level of his daughter isn't a good way to teach her a lesson imo. Teenagers are definitely ungrateful and disrespectful, but that is normal and to be expected. The only thing this is doing is making his daughter even more mad at them. Instead of having a talk with her about this, he reacts emotionally and destroys a laptop for really no good reason. Seriously, act like an adult instead of a child if you want to be taken seriously.
If you read his interview your whole comment would not make sense.
Thats the problem with facebook. Normally when you talk to your friends, you complain about your parents alot when you are younger, with facebook big parts of your privat communication with friends shifts towards a (sort of) public space. Its written down and saved for all time. So either teenagers need to learn that facebook is an open area where you cant write everything or facebook should be respected as a part of privat communication where ppl arent acountable for what they write.
In this case, the man paid for the computer and even if its harsh to destroy an expensive thing like a computer, this is an acceptable kind of punishment.
On February 12 2012 16:43 Cel.erity wrote: One thing, how is she supposed to understand the value of money when you put a bullet through a $1200 laptop? Wouldn't it be much more practical to sell it, or give it to somebody?
Maybe that's why she's so entitled; she never learned the value of the money because the father is a bad role model.
he was right to take her computer away from her as punishment.
however, i would never teach my kids a lesson by destroying something. that's not the kind of lesson you should be teaching your kids. if you're going to take the laptop away, donate it to charity or something.
This man is really sadened by his daughter's attitude.Completely justifiable,if dialogue fails,you have to progressively enforce means to fix a problem.
On February 12 2012 19:20 IMoperator wrote: This guy is obviously very immature. Stooping down to the level of his daughter isn't a good way to teach her a lesson imo. Teenagers are definitely ungrateful and disrespectful, but that is normal and to be expected. The only thing this is doing is making his daughter even more mad at them. Instead of having a talk with her about this, he reacts emotionally and destroys a laptop for really no good reason. Seriously, act like an adult instead of a child if you want to be taken seriously.
If you read his interview your whole comment would not make sense.
Actually, it makes even more sense. The responses he gave in the interview were those of a responsible parent in a stable emotional state. He is obviously steaming pissed in the video... He stumbles over his words and loses his train of thought. You can hear it in his tone of voice.
Destroying something doesn't teach someone about the value of money. It teaches that when someone crosses you its ok to break things. Donating the laptop to charity would have been a much better punishment, since you're contributing to society, keeping expensive things intact, and still taking it away from the child. Children soak up everything, even the unintended meanings of your actions. There is a direct result to every punishment, but also the peripheral effects.. in this case, the destruction of an expensive investment.
That's not the right lesson to teach any child. Even if she gets the correct MAIN point of the action either way, you have to keep in mind she's learning other things too.
I hate the argument, "a lot of people have (had) it tougher than you". Well, no shit. We live in a different generation now, and according to the letter, she had it pretty hard already.
I don't know where to stand in this. She did something irresponsible and childish, but he complety desplayed his disappointess in a wrong manner. I mean, why SHOOT the damn laptop. He could have thrown it out or ´something. As stated earlier in this thread, this is not a way to deal with your daughters problems. Talk with her, be understanding and compromise, don't be unfair and aggressive. In my 3rd hand experience, that is something that can scar you, if you get the understanding that your dad was tough on you.
Shooting laptops doesn't seem very good parenting to me! I feel like he is very lost and still angry, making actions in that state. I don't think he is any good role model for anyone. Maybe try to talk with her instead of making it into a war like this. There is much better punishments, if you want to PUNISH painfully and take revenge. He is at same level as his child.
Strong stance against disrespecting family in internet is good imo. Both persons most likely very cool and nice people but just can't handle it in these situations.
Wow this parent doesn't really get it. Your daughter acts the way she does because you antagonize her. Should stop treating her as if her choices are solely her own, she's only fifteen. If she's acting up on Facebook it's directly your fault. What in the world are long ass punishments and public humiliation going to do to a daughter besides help her to resent you? This is just bad parenting.
People need to read the Q&A. It looks like he knows his daughter well enough to recognize that this type of response would be effective (and non-detrimental) in her particular case. It's funny how his statements of the youtube comments are pretty well represented in this thread alone. Goes to show that even TL posts can fall to youtube post fail syndrome. Read the entire thing, think about it, then respond. :/
On February 12 2012 19:20 IMoperator wrote: This guy is obviously very immature. Stooping down to the level of his daughter isn't a good way to teach her a lesson imo. Teenagers are definitely ungrateful and disrespectful, but that is normal and to be expected. The only thing this is doing is making his daughter even more mad at them. Instead of having a talk with her about this, he reacts emotionally and destroys a laptop for really no good reason. Seriously, act like an adult instead of a child if you want to be taken seriously.
If you read his interview your whole comment would not make sense.
Destroying something doesn't teach someone about the value of money. It teaches that when someone crosses you its ok to break things. Donating the laptop to charity would have been a much better punishment, since you're contributing to society, keeping expensive things intact, and still taking it away from the child. Children soak up everything, even the unintended meanings of your actions. There is a direct result to every punishment, but also the peripheral effects.. in this case, the destruction of an expensive investment.
I hate it when people say stuff like this when talking about parenting teens. The girl is old enough to think for herself. Shes not like a little toddler or Pavlovs dogs, thats the whole reason why shes rebelling against her father in the first place. If teenagers were so mindless as to make the connection "my dad shot my laptop in anger, that means I should break things when im angry too! derrrrr..", then there wouldn't even be a 'rebellious teen' stereotype. My dad hit me as a kid, Im not hitting people as an adult. I sure as hell won't hit my kids if I end up having any.
Maybe if we were talking about like a 4th grader I would agree with you, but this girl is a teenager. She can, and obviously does, think for herself.
Edit: Here's a quote from the interview from the parent in the OP:
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.
People need to stop coddling their kids and treating parents like theyre creating sociopaths every time they decide to get harsh with their children.
Update: This may come as a wild shock to some.. wait for it.. wait.... (I need that guy who did the awesome HD youtube parody to do me an intro here. Where is he when I need him?)
I'm NOT a hero... of ANY kind... at all. I'm not a super-dad, or awesome parent.
I'm a normal guy with reasonable a moral compass that I try very hard to keep pointed north. I make a LOT of mistakes. Did I say a LOT? I mean a WHOLE lot! Daily... sometimes hourly!
I'm extremely lucky to have a very strong wife who tolerates me and puts up with my mistakes, and who herself is strong enough that she can put me in my place with only a look.. no really.. you haven't seen her "I'm not kidding anymore" face... it's serious. (For example I can apparently destroy a laptop and garnish world-wide attention in mere seconds, but I guarantee tomorrow morning my wife will say "Hey Chuck Norris. Make the freakin BED WILL YOU PLEASE" because I'll forget to. (I have to admit the "Chuck Norris wears Tommy Jordan pajamas" comment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I want that on a bumper sticker!)
I'm lucky to have great kids (two of them) who look up to me despite all my mistakes. I make bad parenting decisions all the time. We all do. Personally, I stand behind the decision I made earlier this week by posting the video. I don't find fault with it. If I had it to do again... let's see... I'd do it almost the same.
I'd not be smoking a cigarette. (That's a habit I promised my wife I'd quit as soon as I could afford to just go out and buy a Chantix prescription. She absolutely hates it and I'm getting mature enough to want to quit it for my own reasons as well.)
I'd not have used the word "ass" in my comment directed at my daughter. That was rude and a bad example of a parent using the "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy
I'd have worn my Silverbelly Stetson, not my Tilley hat if I'd known that image was going to follow me the rest of my life and I'd probably have cleaned my boots.
That's it. I meant all the rest of it. My wife is OK with it. My daughter is OK with it. My Mother is OK with it. I'm OK with it. We're the only ones that matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that feel the need to keep calling the police and CPS. lol
Apparently both the local police and the department of social services are OK with it. Yes they came. Of course they came. They received enough "Oh my god he's going to kill his daughter" comments that they had to. I knew that the moment it went viral.. it was too late and it was inevitable. I'm only surprised it took as long as it did to be honest.
The police by the way said "Kudos, Sir" and most of them made their kids watch it. I actually had a "thank you" from an entire detectives squad. And another police officer is using it in a positive manner in his presentation for the school system. How's about those apples? Didn't expect THAT when you called the cops did you?
The kind lady from Child Protective Services looked all through the house, the yard, and found ours to be a healthy home. She saw the unloaded guns in their rack with the magazines removed and stored separately and safely. Funny thing: The case officer asked to see "the gun".... "Umm, sir, may I see the actual..umm.. weapon used for the video?" She wasn't at all scared of me but I could tell she doesn't like guns as a general rule. To each their own though. She was comfortable that I was adhering to NC gun safety regulations for the protection of minors, and that's all she needed. But of course if you want to continue, I'm just going to leave a pot of coffee on for the next officers who come by. (Digress: Maybe I can get Krispy Kreme to sponsor me with lifetime donuts? Oh God that would be heaven. Dunkin? Crap... KK all the way....)
She asked if I minded if she interviewed my daughter privately but that I didn't have to agree. I let her meet in private and then she and I met for about an hour and a half. At the end of the day, no I'm not losing my kids, no one's in danger of being ripped from our home that I know of, and I actually got to spend some time with the nice lady and learn some cool parenting tips that I didn't know.. I use them on my 8 year old son, but not on my fifteen year old daughter.. but now I will! There were a few things I thought she was "too old" for, but after talking to the case worker, I feel like it's worth a shot to try them. Maybe I'll sell those secrets in my next book! (Seriously? You just got mad didn't you? I'm kidding. Besides, that would still only give me two pages of material- one parent tip page and one page on handgun selection techniques appropriate for different electronic destructive purposes.)
Back to me being a normal guy... I digressed again. You guys caught me on eight and a half minutes of ONE day in my life, probably the worst day in my life as a father. So, all in all, I consider the vast overwhelming show of support to be very very gratifying... that was me at my worst, not my best. If most of you found me OK as a Dad at that time, then I'm definitely OK the rest of the time. I was angry, hurt as hell, emotional as can possibly be, and stunned still. I'd taken an hour to compose myself, but apparently I should have waited longer.. and maybe used the .22 instead of the .45. (And since when does an 8 minute video EVER go viral? And maybe the next video I'll do will be auctioning the pistol I used.. that should buy some serious college tuition, but please understand that I will definitely use the profits to also purchase a replacement .45.)
I'd like to think that if a camera followed me around and filmed every moment of my life as a parent, most of you out there would still put me in the plus column. Truthfully most of you would probably be bored. I'm just ordinary. I was raised old fashioned, and I raise my kids the same way... the modern generational concepts be damned! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And OK, so THAT brings me to a topic I'll close with, though I had no intention of speaking on it when I started this rant. (Hey, aren't the 25 thousand of you who subscribed really regretting it now? I'm always this scatter brained. Makes you wonder how I formed enough sensible sentences to write a book doesn't it? Then again... maybe that accounts for the book sales being in the toilet...)
So, my last point: I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.
Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull***t!?
The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?
I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."
She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"
I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?" Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."
Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)
Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.
So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.
Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?
So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)
"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
(packing my soapbox away and going to bed now)
edit: It looks like it was already posted but people seem to be missing it still..
On February 13 2012 09:40 derpinator wrote: This idiot just wants to be famous on his daughters expense. His right to reproduce should be revoked for the sake of having a decent society.
Your name suits you very well indeed. Maybe if you read what he said after the video you might learn something and wouldn't look like such a fool. That man is a good man.
On February 13 2012 09:40 derpinator wrote: This idiot just wants to be famous on his daughters expense. His right to reproduce should be revoked for the sake of having a decent society.
Your name suits you very well indeed. Maybe if you read what he said after the video you might learn something and wouldn't look like such a fool. That man is a good man.
Ive seen the clip a couple of days ago when it whas posted on reddit. I dont think you get it, it's not about his daughter.. his little show whas all about him. He knew he would attract attention with his little tantrum and proceeded to do exactly what he accuses his daughter of. We now know from whom she got it from.
On February 13 2012 09:40 derpinator wrote: This idiot just wants to be famous on his daughters expense. His right to reproduce should be revoked for the sake of having a decent society.
Your name suits you very well indeed. Maybe if you read what he said after the video you might learn something and wouldn't look like such a fool. That man is a good man.
Ive seen the clip a couple of days ago when it whas posted on reddit. I dont think you get it, it's not about his daughter.. his little show whas all about him. He knew he would attract attention with his little tantrum and proceeded to do exactly what he accuses his daughter of. We now know from whom she got it from.
Yeah man, and with this new found fame of his he's totally going to take over the world, that's his master plan I'm guessing?
You're just going off what you "think", which is stupid. Go with the facts, the man is honest and awesome. I also don't care if you've seen the clip or not, I told you to read what he said after, I didn't ask if you've seen the clip or not. If you read what he said you'd find out hes a down to earth normal dude who took something a little to far, thats all. Plus, the only reason he made it a video is because his daughter was posting stuff online as well. I think your theory that he's just attention whoring is really dumb.
On February 13 2012 06:47 CecilSunkure wrote: Wow this parent doesn't really get it. Your daughter acts the way she does because you antagonize her. Should stop treating her as if her choices are solely her own, she's only fifteen. If she's acting up on Facebook it's directly your fault. What in the world are long ass punishments and public humiliation going to do to a daughter besides help her to resent you? This is just bad parenting.
15 is old enough. Your comment about "If she's acting up on Facebook it's directly your fault" is completely unfounded. Quality of parenting doesn't always dictate what a person grows up to be. Although, I'm with you on that he really shouldn't have posted the video for everyone to see.
This is poor parenting at it's finest. If the punishment is excessive (and downright mean) the child is just going to rebel even harder. Yes, she deserved punishment. But do you think she'll ever listen to her dad again? Not respectfully. She'll turn 18-21, turn her back. Teenagers are going to be little shits no matter what you do, the trick is balanced discipline that teaches a lesson without breaking trust.
However... "This is your laptop. This is my .45" was pretty great.
I'm 16 and I really don't see a problem with the punishment. Living in a somewhat wealthy suburb, I see and hear a lot of entitled and ignorant stuff about what life is like as a teenager here, and I find it really quite obnoxious. It's fine to be rebellious in some ways, in my opinion, because that's just free thinking manifesting itself in one's actions, but at the same time things need to be put into perspective; just because someone is your parent doesn't mean they should give you everything you want regardless of what it is. This man believes in instilling real values and lessons into his children, and I respect that. It's much better than consistently applying small punishments that cause no real behavioral changes, because it legitimately sticks. I hope this girl learns her lesson and becomes a better person because of this situation.
On February 13 2012 10:44 CCitrus wrote: This is poor parenting at it's finest. If the punishment is excessive (and downright mean) the child is just going to rebel even harder. Yes, she deserved punishment. But do you think she'll ever listen to her dad again? Not respectfully. She'll turn 18-21, turn her back. Teenagers are going to be little shits no matter what you do, the trick is balanced discipline that teaches a lesson without breaking trust.
However... "This is your laptop. This is my .45" was pretty great.
Yet again, see earlier posts in this thread. This isn't the case. The girl is doing fine.
I've read through the first four pages of this thread, and I think that many people are overreacting to what the father did. Some have said that he threw a tantrum that was just as immature as what his kid did. I disagree with this. The father has obviously put a lot of thought into what he did, and I believe it was justified. He removes the computer (read: distraction) that has contributed much towards spoiling her to make her how she is. On another note, I also completely agree with him because, like he says, she is spoiled and hasn't worked for anything: she really hasn't.
I am 16 years old and have a job, of course my parents have bought me a lot of my stuff, but I have a job, I've had one since I was barely 15. I bought my own laptop and I contribute always half-half money-wise if buying something big (currency-wise; e.g. cellphone). I am saving money steadily and will have enough money to buy my own car once I have my G2. I always do what my parents ask of me, because I owe them more than I can ever repay. This girl obviously does not understand this or feel that way, and this is one step closer to making her see it.
It's not like he threatened her with the gun, he just took out the computer in an extreme way. It isn't even that aggressive in context. No worse than throwing it off a roof or hitting it with a hammer. Especially since she wasn't even there to witness it; she wasn't even supposed to see the video (until it went viral). Also, the man seems rather well educated and put together after reading his response to the questions asked by the Toronto Star. Assuming he's telling the truth, Hannah's taken it rather well and it will probably have a positive effect on her.
Seriously though, a bunch of people posting here obviously haven't read the whole OP. Its starting to get annoying seeing how many times people have to be reminded to read the interview with the father.
On February 12 2012 19:20 IMoperator wrote: This guy is obviously very immature. Stooping down to the level of his daughter isn't a good way to teach her a lesson imo. Teenagers are definitely ungrateful and disrespectful, but that is normal and to be expected. The only thing this is doing is making his daughter even more mad at them. Instead of having a talk with her about this, he reacts emotionally and destroys a laptop for really no good reason. Seriously, act like an adult instead of a child if you want to be taken seriously.
If you read his interview your whole comment would not make sense.
Destroying something doesn't teach someone about the value of money. It teaches that when someone crosses you its ok to break things. Donating the laptop to charity would have been a much better punishment, since you're contributing to society, keeping expensive things intact, and still taking it away from the child. Children soak up everything, even the unintended meanings of your actions. There is a direct result to every punishment, but also the peripheral effects.. in this case, the destruction of an expensive investment.
I hate it when people say stuff like this when talking about parenting teens. The girl is old enough to think for herself. Shes not like a little toddler or Pavlovs dogs, thats the whole reason why shes rebelling against her father in the first place. If teenagers were so mindless as to make the connection "my dad shot my laptop in anger, that means I should break things when im angry too! derrrrr..", then there wouldn't even be a 'rebellious teen' stereotype. My dad hit me as a kid, Im not hitting people as an adult. I sure as hell won't hit my kids if I end up having any.
Maybe if we were talking about like a 4th grader I would agree with you, but this girl is a teenager. She can, and obviously does, think for herself.
Edit: Here's a quote from the interview from the parent in the OP:
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.
People need to stop coddling their kids and treating parents like theyre creating sociopaths every time they decide to get harsh with their children.
right, the other possibility is being a sociopath and making your children wrecks.
I, too, look foward to her short lived career in porn... :\ yes I read the op. It's wholly "his word" speaking.
On February 13 2012 11:26 Jormundr wrote: Look forward to seeing her short-lived career in the porn industry when she turns 18.
Usually things like molestation and sexual abuse as a minor lead to such things. I mean not really, but IF you put a trauma to pornstars and strippers, it's sexual abuse.... not shooting a laptop that most kids don't have (like what, most people who never had a laptop or get made fun of online turn into porn stars? at least she had a laptop at one point).
Obviously saying "people who are molested turned into pornstars' is an ignorant comment, but not nearly as ignorant as the one you made.
Amazing response by the father, and the interview afterward is amazing.
My dad and I never got along when I was in high school. i started getting into a ton of trouble, and a huge argument ensued one day, of him just yelling like a banshee at me, blood red in the face, like he was about to pound the shit out of me, for hours on end. While walking up the stairs while he's screaming at me, I just finally snapped and thought 'enough is enough', and at the top the stairs, I turned around, and just tackled him as hard as I could. We both flew down the entire set of stairs through the air, and we didn't pound eachother into a pulp because of my mother there.
Afterwards, I think my dad just respected me a bit more and stopped being such an ass and screaming at me so abusively(?not the best choice of word). Shortly thereafter we got along great, and pretty much since then we've been best friends, and I've never seen anyone closer to their father than I am (as people say to us). Kind of ironic, but there has to come a point where the parent and kid have to respect each other as adults. In this girl's case, she had to respect her dad.
I have a beef with parents having kids make the beds. In my opinion kids should make their own choice if they want their bed 'made' or not, as long as it's clean. Beds are part of a private area (I don't mean out of parents watch or anything, I just mean something you allow at your own discretion for anyone else like friends to see). Aside from that I don't even see the point of what's wrong with having a 'messy' bed even if it was in sight of others — what's the big deal?
I also have a potential disagreement with the parents from the video. I hope the parents aren't sexist in any way telling the girl to do all sorts of chores, while giving male siblings a lighter load, no load, or even a different set of things to do. No matter what the gender is, the siblings should do roughly the same work, and roughly the same amount of it. If they agree amongst themselves that they prefer certain jobs then that's fine of course. I'm just saying such because I've heard of some girls who definitely are unjustly ordered around while their brother gets off easy.
Like many people, I also have a beef with destroying stuff, but whatever, people do crazy things for whatever sorts of reasons. I don't like it, but if it happens so rarely it really pales in comparison to all the other sorts of waste that goes on.
Edit: a funny punishment might have been him filming him giving the laptop to her younger brother, logging on to her Facebook acct (assuming possible), an getting the little brother to post whatever nonsense he wants, read her personal stuff, delete her personal stuff (chat logs or e-mails if possible). At the end he could say he's given the laptop to the little brother (or a charity), and get some video footage of the new owners playing games on it or something (although that would take a lot of time to do and be very difficult if given to a charity).
I guess I just thought of another thing I dislike: The fact that the parent GIFTED at his own volition without a request for payment at the time (I don't see any other interpretation of what he did) software to her that he put on the computer —to which the idiot could have just kept the license(s)/product-key(s)/disc(s)— and then demands payment for it —that's completely illegitimate. It's even worse to ask for payment for the bullets, since it was in no way her consent to have something shot at. I don't know the US/state law too well, but I'm pretty sure you cannot demand money from your own children without an actual justification for it.
Posted by Supamang: The girl is old enough to think for herself. Shes not like a little toddler or Pavlovs dogs, thats the whole reason why shes rebelling against her father in the first place. If teenagers were so mindless as to make the connection "my dad shot my laptop in anger, that means I should break things when im angry too! derrrrr..", then there wouldn't even be a 'rebellious teen' stereotype. My dad hit me as a kid, Im not hitting people as an adult. I sure as hell won't hit my kids if I end up having any.
I somewhat disagree. While teens maybe absorb less, and certainly can think for themselves, it doesn't mean they still don't absorb behaviors. While a violent parent doesn't always raise violent children, it certainly increases the likelyhood, and I'm sure there's studies to back that up (although a confounding factor is whether the kid is an observer or a victim). Overall I don't see THIS incident being a big issue though — it's just one event, and it was done in a very controlled, planned/thoughtful fashion.
I would absolutely do something like this. I have two kids and I am going to do my best to keep things like Facebook away from them for as long as possible. I am a professor and I see how technology and social media hurts students in my classrooms. I have so many students who can't go for a minute without looking at their phones or checking their Facebook pages. They fail their tests because they were so distracted with the social world at their fingertips. I try not to ban laptops or phones in my classes, but I am considering doing so next semester, since I have tracked the grades of those who are always on their phones or laptops and they consistently perform terribly.
1) buy something for your daughter 2) shoot the thing 3) tell her she owes you money for it lmao
southern logic at it's finest lol
also this video has taught me to shoot any inanimate object that ever causes a rift between me and another human being. GOD DAMN YOU IPOD, YOU LET MY GIRLFRIEND BEAT ME IN WORDS WITH FRIENDS AGAIN??? *blam blam blam oh i have 3 rounds left blam blam blam*
On February 12 2012 19:20 IMoperator wrote: This guy is obviously very immature. Stooping down to the level of his daughter isn't a good way to teach her a lesson imo. Teenagers are definitely ungrateful and disrespectful, but that is normal and to be expected. The only thing this is doing is making his daughter even more mad at them. Instead of having a talk with her about this, he reacts emotionally and destroys a laptop for really no good reason. Seriously, act like an adult instead of a child if you want to be taken seriously.
If you read his interview your whole comment would not make sense.
Destroying something doesn't teach someone about the value of money. It teaches that when someone crosses you its ok to break things. Donating the laptop to charity would have been a much better punishment, since you're contributing to society, keeping expensive things intact, and still taking it away from the child. Children soak up everything, even the unintended meanings of your actions. There is a direct result to every punishment, but also the peripheral effects.. in this case, the destruction of an expensive investment.
I hate it when people say stuff like this when talking about parenting teens. The girl is old enough to think for herself. Shes not like a little toddler or Pavlovs dogs, thats the whole reason why shes rebelling against her father in the first place. If teenagers were so mindless as to make the connection "my dad shot my laptop in anger, that means I should break things when im angry too! derrrrr..", then there wouldn't even be a 'rebellious teen' stereotype. My dad hit me as a kid, Im not hitting people as an adult. I sure as hell won't hit my kids if I end up having any.
Maybe if we were talking about like a 4th grader I would agree with you, but this girl is a teenager. She can, and obviously does, think for herself.
Edit: Here's a quote from the interview from the parent in the OP:
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.
People need to stop coddling their kids and treating parents like theyre creating sociopaths every time they decide to get harsh with their children.
Yes, she's old enough to think for herself. But if you think your actions as a parent stop affecting your child's mental development when they become a teenager, you are sorely mistaken. Congratulations you've avoided falling into the same cycle of abuse your dad did. Many kids don't turn out that way though, and there is a proven direct correlation between parental behavior and childrens' propensity to follow in their footsteps. Yes, even with teenagers.
I never said harsh punishments were wrong. I only said this was the wrong harsh punishment. It could have been harsh without being destructive.
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
As a bit of an aside, has anyone here held down a job when they were 15? I tried, it didn't turn out well for myself or the employer. I sure know that if I was a manager, I wouldn't hire anyone shy of 17 unless they could prove exceptional maturity.
This could just be a North America thing, I could be very wrong.
I guess I just thought of another thing I dislike: The fact that the parent GIFTED at his own volition without a request for payment at the time (I don't see any other interpretation of what he did) software to her that he put on the computer —to which the idiot could have just kept the license(s)/product-key(s)/disc(s)— and then demands payment for it —that's completely illegitimate. It's even worse to ask for payment for the bullets, since it was in no way her consent to have something shot at. I don't know the US/state law too well, but I'm pretty sure you cannot demand money from your own children without an actual justification for it.
On February 13 2012 20:12 gtrsrs wrote: 1) buy something for your daughter 2) shoot the thing 3) tell her she owes you money for it lmao
southern logic at it's finest lol
also this video has taught me to shoot any inanimate object that ever causes a rift between me and another human being. GOD DAMN YOU IPOD, YOU LET MY GIRLFRIEND BEAT ME IN WORDS WITH FRIENDS AGAIN??? *blam blam blam oh i have 3 rounds left blam blam blam*
Completely reasonable IMO. He spent half his day plus $130 dollars upgrading the thing for her and the first thing she does with it is to post an incredibly rude, disrespectful and falsely entitled letter about how the expectation that she do a few chores daily is equivalent to slavery. If that's how she shows her gratitude, then being expected to reimburse her father for it is no less than she deserves.
It's so tiresome listening to people say stuff like "teenagers are always rude and disrespectful" as if that means a parent should have to tolerate it. Kids are constantly bitching about wanting to be treated like adults and have the same freedom (as if being an adult means you have all the time in the world to do whatever you want) while taking on no more responsibility than they had when they were 10.
More parents should take a page out of this guy's book.
On February 13 2012 19:07 Xapti wrote: I guess I just thought of another thing I dislike: The fact that the parent GIFTED at his own volition without a request for payment at the time (I don't see any other interpretation of what he did) software to her that he put on the computer —to which the idiot could have just kept the license(s)/product-key(s)/disc(s)— and then demands payment for it —that's completely illegitimate. It's even worse to ask for payment for the bullets, since it was in no way her consent to have something shot at. I don't know the US/state law too well, but I'm pretty sure you cannot demand money from your own children without an actual justification for it.
I find that what he did as a parent was completely justified. Im 16 year-old boy, and im glad that my parents have always disciplined me whenever i have done something retarded. Im even working part-time for my dad now to get some extra money (which i spend on my gf, cause she is very important to me)(they pay for my food and etc. but for not much else) but i still feel as i have too much freedom. And lately, which im really fond of, is that i have a feeling that i should not be a fcking boulder in their luggage which they need to carry, so whenever they need help, i help them, and i am glad that i could help them. Ffs they go to work over 8 hours a day, 5 days(or more sometimes) a week, every single day, doing stuff that actually need doing, just to provide for the family. They have spent years getting an education in different universities around Europe . I go to school, im 11 years into learning the piano (11th grade atm) and finally im starting to sense a purpose for my life. And i can only thank my parents for guiding me, what i feel, is the right way. But as I said, im 16 so i probably know nothing about life so i have alot to learn about... Now, i know my parents will probably never read this, but i would like to thank you for being there with me and guiding me to a path that i feel will, in the end, make me happy about my life... Thank you, mom and dad. -Sincerely Your son :´)
On February 11 2012 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Not gonna watch video, dont feel like getting annoyed at how retarded this person obviously is.
Teenagers have whined about their parents ever since the word 'teenager' was invented, and whining on facebook is not different from whining to friends --
Quality post. /end sarcasmYou're going to assume that the person is retarded? I'd expect more from you sir.
Nonetheless, I love what the guy did. Sometimes a teenager needs to understand, and sometimes to get that point across you need to go to drastic measures. I remember I had my first bike stolen, and my parents told me I had to buy a new one, but before I could buy a new one I had to pay for half of the old one. Now, my bike wasn't shot at, nor was I reprimanded harshly, but this is definitely an easy way to get it through the girls thick skull that this is "life",
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
Yeah.
Nailed it.
He should have sold the laptop. Would have made the exact same point, in a much better fashion.
On February 14 2012 01:27 CCitrus wrote: As a bit of an aside, has anyone here held down a job when they were 15? I tried, it didn't turn out well for myself or the employer. I sure know that if I was a manager, I wouldn't hire anyone shy of 17 unless they could prove exceptional maturity.
This could just be a North America thing, I could be very wrong.
Yes, I did and without issue. However I had worked with my father previously since I was a kid so I understood responsibility. Of course there seems to be a bit of a generational gap between my generation and the ones younger than me when it comes to the word "responsibility".
On February 14 2012 01:27 CCitrus wrote: As a bit of an aside, has anyone here held down a job when they were 15? I tried, it didn't turn out well for myself or the employer. I sure know that if I was a manager, I wouldn't hire anyone shy of 17 unless they could prove exceptional maturity.
This could just be a North America thing, I could be very wrong.
I got a job doing prep for a pizza joint on weekends when I was 15. It doesn't take "exceptional maturity" to show up, chop vegetables and make sure the bags of cheese aren't frozen.
LOL i had to do MORE chores than that and i had A-Levels! if i did anything like that, my mum and dad would put a cap in MY ass not the laptop, cause they paid for it.
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
This post said it all. Any responsible parent would sit down and talk to the girl and explain the situation. Also, parents just have to accept that their kids is going to be angry with them for not getting their way, that's how they test their boundaries. If you know any psychology or read a single parents book you would know that this kind of action does absolutely nothing to make his relationship with his daughter better, just the opposite. Treat your children with love and respect, accept that they are kids and that you are the adult and behave that way, and your kid will turn out allright. This isn't the 40's anymore...
Good man. He definatly has the right attitude to teaching a lesson. She neglected the luxuries she was given, now she can go to the school library to do her homework. Damn right.
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
This post said it all. Any responsible parent would sit down and talk to the girl and explain the situation. Also, parents just have to accept that their kids is going to be angry with them for not getting their way, that's how they test their boundaries. If you know any psychology or read a single parents book you would know that this kind of action does absolutely nothing to make his relationship with his daughter better, just the opposite. Treat your children with love and respect, accept that they are kids and that you are the adult and behave that way, and your kid will turn out allright. This isn't the 40's anymore...
Spoken like someone who doesn't have kids..
If you had watched the video, you would have noted that it was clear that he "Had" sat down and discussed things like this before. This was yet another step in apparently a continued escalation of punishments since all previous punishments had failed to take effect.
I hate to break it to some of you, but at a certain point if 1 form of punishment is failing to be effective, you have to step it up to the next level. Continuing to use the same punishment when it has proven ineffective results in shitty disrespectful kids who turn into shitty disrespectful adults. I never understood until I had children the statement "This hurts me more than it hurts you" that my parents gave right before spanking my ass. However after having children, to became clear. There is nothing worse than having to punish your children when all you want is for them to do the right thing. However hating doing it does not eliminate the need to do so. Sometimes, there is just no substitute for applying foot to ass.
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
Yeah.
Nailed it.
He should have sold the laptop. Would have made the exact same point, in a much better fashion.
You say that, and I might agree in a generic sense. But there is no way he would ever have these results from selling it
On February 13 2012 20:12 gtrsrs wrote: 1) buy something for your daughter 2) shoot the thing 3) tell her she owes you money for it lmao
southern logic at it's finest lol
also this video has taught me to shoot any inanimate object that ever causes a rift between me and another human being. GOD DAMN YOU IPOD, YOU LET MY GIRLFRIEND BEAT ME IN WORDS WITH FRIENDS AGAIN??? *blam blam blam oh i have 3 rounds left blam blam blam*
Completely reasonable IMO. He spent half his day plus $130 dollars upgrading the thing for her and the first thing she does with it is to post an incredibly rude, disrespectful and falsely entitled letter about how the expectation that she do a few chores daily is equivalent to slavery. If that's how she shows her gratitude, then being expected to reimburse her father for it is no less than she deserves.
It's so tiresome listening to people say stuff like "teenagers are always rude and disrespectful" as if that means a parent should have to tolerate it. Kids are constantly bitching about wanting to be treated like adults and have the same freedom (as if being an adult means you have all the time in the world to do whatever you want) while taking on no more responsibility than they had when they were 10.
More parents should take a page out of this guy's book.
This This This This. I wish I had time to read through this thread, but I can't believe that some people who think what he did was wrong...
This is actually a good parent, mine would do the exact same, except without the shooting part which I thought was hilarious and got his point through great. Most mid teenagers, myself included a few years ago, are too entitled to what they have, they expect a lot and in return neglect to give back. Hell the chores she had to do was nothing, and could easily be finished in under 20 minutes. Not to mention he warned her previously about it which she completely blew away. And she also refuses to get a job, my parents were going to kick me out of the house if I didn't get a job at around 17 because every day I would do nothing but go to school and sit down on my computer. Working 20 hours a week is nothing at all, that can all be done with 4 hour shifts a day, and if you work on the weekend you can get it over with sooner by working longer then. Personally I go to school fulltime, work fulltime, and still find that I have plenty of time to sit on my ass and do nothing for an extended period of time. Im sorry but I feel as though kids these days, myself included not too long ago, are just way too lazy and need parental intervention to put them on the right track.
Not to mention at least this guy didn't spank or "beat" his daughter for this, but took away her privileges which Im sure she can earn back soon enough if she would just show an attempt at bettering her attitude and personality.
While putting bullet holes through a laptop seems like an extreme solution, I believe the man had the right idea in his mind. If the daughter is all "grown up" and wants to enjoy the luxuries, she better work hard for it. I honestly don't think a teenage girl doing part-times at minimum pay can afford all the things listed, but at least she'll learn the "value of the dollar."
In other words, I think this $750 incident may have saved his daughter thousands and even millions later in her life.
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
This post said it all. Any responsible parent would sit down and talk to the girl and explain the situation. Also, parents just have to accept that their kids is going to be angry with them for not getting their way, that's how they test their boundaries. If you know any psychology or read a single parents book you would know that this kind of action does absolutely nothing to make his relationship with his daughter better, just the opposite. Treat your children with love and respect, accept that they are kids and that you are the adult and behave that way, and your kid will turn out allright. This isn't the 40's anymore...
Spoken like someone who doesn't have kids..
If you had watched the video, you would have noted that it was clear that he "Had" sat down and discussed things like this before. This was yet another step in apparently a continued escalation of punishments since all previous punishments had failed to take effect.
I hate to break it to some of you, but at a certain point if 1 form of punishment is failing to be effective, you have to step it up to the next level. Continuing to use the same punishment when it has proven ineffective results in shitty disrespectful kids who turn into shitty disrespectful adults. I never understood until I had children the statement "This hurts me more than it hurts you" that my parents gave right before spanking my ass. However after having children, to became clear. There is nothing worse than having to punish your children when all you want is for them to do the right thing. However hating doing it does not eliminate the need to do so. Sometimes, there is just no substitute for applying foot to ass.
I'm sorry if your parents physically abused you(which is what they did), but there's no moral or sensible reason to spank your kids. It feels weird even having to argue for not hitting kids.
"When I was your age, I had moved out of the house, lived on my own, went to college while in highschool, working 2 jobs, was a voulanteer fireman and still went to school."
On March 16 2012 04:19 Sea_Food wrote: "When I was your age, I had moved out of the house, lived on my own, went to college while in highschool, working 2 jobs, was a voulanteer fireman and still went to school."
All that while 15 years old.
YEP!
He forgot "walked up hill both ways".
While I'm not a parent, publicly shaming your child will not bring a resolution to the conflict in the slightest.
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
This post said it all. Any responsible parent would sit down and talk to the girl and explain the situation. Also, parents just have to accept that their kids is going to be angry with them for not getting their way, that's how they test their boundaries. If you know any psychology or read a single parents book you would know that this kind of action does absolutely nothing to make his relationship with his daughter better, just the opposite. Treat your children with love and respect, accept that they are kids and that you are the adult and behave that way, and your kid will turn out allright. This isn't the 40's anymore...
Spoken like someone who doesn't have kids..
If you had watched the video, you would have noted that it was clear that he "Had" sat down and discussed things like this before. This was yet another step in apparently a continued escalation of punishments since all previous punishments had failed to take effect.
I hate to break it to some of you, but at a certain point if 1 form of punishment is failing to be effective, you have to step it up to the next level. Continuing to use the same punishment when it has proven ineffective results in shitty disrespectful kids who turn into shitty disrespectful adults. I never understood until I had children the statement "This hurts me more than it hurts you" that my parents gave right before spanking my ass. However after having children, to became clear. There is nothing worse than having to punish your children when all you want is for them to do the right thing. However hating doing it does not eliminate the need to do so. Sometimes, there is just no substitute for applying foot to ass.
I'm sorry if your parents physically abused you(which is what they did), but there's no moral or sensible reason to spank your kids. It feels weird even having to argue for not hitting kids.
Good thing it's not in your job description to call DCFS or CPS because you clearly have a poor understanding of what constitutes as child abuse. For those of us, like me, who will have to report to DCFS and CPS, we make darn sure that we have sufficient suspicision that meets the legal criteria to report before doing so because being sued for malpractice does not boad well.
Honestly, the dad had every right to do what he did. Now was it the best idea, certainly not. Was it epic regardless? Yes. However, he has to live with the fact that he is going to be remembered as the dad that shot a laptop to teach his daughter a lesson.
Ugh, the father is an incompetent asshole. The girl whined to her friends about having 'lots of chores', she's 15. Disrespectful or not, she didn't scream those words in her father's face AND he snooped around her facebook. I agree that she should have been disciplined, but if he merely told her what he said in the video and asked her if she feels her ragepost was justified, showing disappointment in her actions, I believe he would have achieved much more.
Shooting the laptop? As always, americans going overboard.
I was similar when I was her age, and the reason was simple, I was spoiled to a certain age, then I suddenly had to start doing things (and quite a lot more than her). It's a shock as your way of life changes, and that's why she's whining. It seems obvious to me that this was the case with her, as the father mentioned her mother and stepmother - he got divorced, that's the first shock for the child. The parents then in most cases silently compete who's the 'better parent' and throw money and gifts at their child. Once they find out they've spoiled the child, they try to suddenly enforce a stop to what was until that moment considered acceptable behavior by the child. This leads to lots of disciplining and/or serious talks and so on, depending on the parents, of course. In other words, the fact that she acted the way she did is the parents' fault. Children learn by example (as in behave in a way similar to the parents), not by what you say. Her father threw a tantrum, just like she did, which, subconsciously, will make her do similar irrational over-the-top things in the future.
Not the way I would have done things if I were the dad, but in the end it's his own property he's destroying and his own child to raise. I still +1 him for not physically punishing her, but I doubt such extreme actions will make her a better person.
Didn't watch the video since I'm at work, but I read the interview which was very enlightening. Dad seems like he's got a good head on his shoulders even if his methods are a bit theatric. I imagine most people against him just don't have kids of their own and think just yelling "NO" at a kid like theyre a dog is the proper way to discipline them.
And going back and reading a lot of comments it seems like most people here haven't read the interview and only watched the video. How is he an asshole for shooting his daughters laptop? It's the laptop HE paid for, and it's what she used to publicly disrespect him. Seriously, read the interview, everything he says makes sense. The part about learning the value of a dollar totally justifies why he did what he did. Can anyone say that receiving something you didn't earn instills good values in yourself? She didn't even care that much that her laptop was destroyed, she was more upset about not having access to facebook. Ridiculous. She deserved everything her dad did and I bet she learned a good lesson.
On March 16 2012 07:16 Yoduh wrote: And going back and reading a lot of comments it seems like most people here haven't read the interview and only watched the video. How is he an asshole for shooting his daughters laptop? It's the laptop HE paid for, and it's what she used to publicly disrespect him. Seriously, read the interview, everything he says makes sense. The part about learning the value of a dollar totally justifies why he did what he did. Can anyone say that receiving something you didn't earn instills good values in yourself? She didn't even care that much that her laptop was destroyed, she was more upset about not having access to facebook. Ridiculous. She deserved everything her dad did and I bet she learned a good lesson.
Because it is not nice to take back a gift given, and to do so only to destroy the gift is horrible. Doing it in a violent manner can be felt as threatening by the previous recipient of the gift, though whether it was in this case is debatable.
Kids complaining on facebook about their chores is not going to have any effect on how that man is viewed so it is no more disrespectful than making the same complaints to friends in person - which he cannot detect to punish - and will have no lasting effect upon him.
How does watching someone get angry, then destroy an expensive thing instill positive values?
If you give a child a gift, and actually make them look after it, they may not learn the dollar value of things or how to work hard for what they want but they do learn to take care of their possessions and all the skills related. If you regard the child's possession of anything not overtly dangerous as real, then they will be able to allow themselves to care more about it. Those are good values too.
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
This post said it all. Any responsible parent would sit down and talk to the girl and explain the situation. Also, parents just have to accept that their kids is going to be angry with them for not getting their way, that's how they test their boundaries. If you know any psychology or read a single parents book you would know that this kind of action does absolutely nothing to make his relationship with his daughter better, just the opposite. Treat your children with love and respect, accept that they are kids and that you are the adult and behave that way, and your kid will turn out allright. This isn't the 40's anymore...
Spoken like someone who doesn't have kids..
If you had watched the video, you would have noted that it was clear that he "Had" sat down and discussed things like this before. This was yet another step in apparently a continued escalation of punishments since all previous punishments had failed to take effect.
I hate to break it to some of you, but at a certain point if 1 form of punishment is failing to be effective, you have to step it up to the next level. Continuing to use the same punishment when it has proven ineffective results in shitty disrespectful kids who turn into shitty disrespectful adults. I never understood until I had children the statement "This hurts me more than it hurts you" that my parents gave right before spanking my ass. However after having children, to became clear. There is nothing worse than having to punish your children when all you want is for them to do the right thing. However hating doing it does not eliminate the need to do so. Sometimes, there is just no substitute for applying foot to ass.
I'm sorry if your parents physically abused you(which is what they did), but there's no moral or sensible reason to spank your kids. It feels weird even having to argue for not hitting kids.
Actually, spanking is not abuse. You need to learn the difference between spanking and beating. I am not going to get into a debate over it with you as you are either too young to understand the realities of raising children or too idealistic. Either way, do the world a favor and don't breed, the last thing we need is more undisciplined brats throwing tantrums in public. While spanking should almost never be a first resort, it isn't something to eliminate entirely. Some kids (I happened to be one of them), don't respond to anything else. All that said, I was talking about the form of punishment he chose and responding to those calling it over the top and acting like nothing else had been tried before. So good job at missing the entire point so you could push your idiotic anti-spanking agenda.
On February 11 2012 12:10 Drascus wrote: There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
This post said it all. Any responsible parent would sit down and talk to the girl and explain the situation. Also, parents just have to accept that their kids is going to be angry with them for not getting their way, that's how they test their boundaries. If you know any psychology or read a single parents book you would know that this kind of action does absolutely nothing to make his relationship with his daughter better, just the opposite. Treat your children with love and respect, accept that they are kids and that you are the adult and behave that way, and your kid will turn out allright. This isn't the 40's anymore...
Spoken like someone who doesn't have kids..
If you had watched the video, you would have noted that it was clear that he "Had" sat down and discussed things like this before. This was yet another step in apparently a continued escalation of punishments since all previous punishments had failed to take effect.
I hate to break it to some of you, but at a certain point if 1 form of punishment is failing to be effective, you have to step it up to the next level. Continuing to use the same punishment when it has proven ineffective results in shitty disrespectful kids who turn into shitty disrespectful adults. I never understood until I had children the statement "This hurts me more than it hurts you" that my parents gave right before spanking my ass. However after having children, to became clear. There is nothing worse than having to punish your children when all you want is for them to do the right thing. However hating doing it does not eliminate the need to do so. Sometimes, there is just no substitute for applying foot to ass.
I'm sorry if your parents physically abused you(which is what they did), but there's no moral or sensible reason to spank your kids. It feels weird even having to argue for not hitting kids.
Actually, spanking is not abuse. You need to learn the difference between spanking and beating. I am not going to get into a debate over it with you as you are either too young to understand the realities of raising children or too idealistic. Either way, do the world a favor and don't breed, the last thing we need is more undisciplined brats throwing tantrums in public. While spanking should almost never be a first resort, it isn't something to eliminate entirely. Some kids (I happened to be one of them), don't respond to anything else. All that said, I was talking about the form of punishment he chose and responding to those calling it over the top and acting like nothing else had been tried before. So good job at missing the entire point so you could push your idiotic anti-spanking agenda.
As someone raised in a family where no physical violence was ever considered acceptable by any member against any member, I am completely unclear as to where physically hitting a child constitutes spanking and where it constitutes abuse. Would you care to enlighten me?
Yeah, my mom used to spank me too. I don't think it is the best method per sae, and probably won't use it when I have childen. But I don't consider it abuse or my mom beating me.
On February 11 2012 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Not gonna watch video, dont feel like getting annoyed at how retarded this person obviously is.
Teenagers have whined about their parents ever since the word 'teenager' was invented, and whining on facebook is not different from whining to friends --
On March 16 2012 22:19 Mementoss wrote: Yeah, my mom used to spank me too. I don't think it is the best method per sae, and probably won't use it when I have childen. But I don't consider it abuse or my mom beating me.
What do you consider to have distinguished your treatment from physical abuse?
On March 16 2012 22:19 Mementoss wrote: Yeah, my mom used to spank me too. I don't think it is the best method per sae, and probably won't use it when I have childen. But I don't consider it abuse or my mom beating me.
What do you consider to have distinguished your treatment from physical abuse?
Physical abuse involves actual physical injury. spanking involves temporary pain. you wouldn't call pinching someone physical abuse would you? if someone is being spanked to the point where they're being bruised and can't sit down, that's abuse. I was spanked when I was younger, but never abusively. But just like any form of punishment as a child I didn't think it was fair at the time, but now that I'm much older I see no problem with what my parents did. I know they loved me then and still love me now. If you burn your hand on a hot stove do you think you'll ever touch a hot stove again? Pain has it's uses. What do you ever hear from reformed ex-cons who go around warning youth to stay out trouble? "Prison is a bad place, you get beaten/stabbed/murdered", not "spending all that time in a cell is rough". Pain is the greatest motivator we as humans have. It's no surprise it's been used by parents all across the world in every region and culture as a form of discipline. The key thing I think in arguing for the merits in spanking is clearly defining the difference between abusive and non-abusive spanking. Abusively spanking a child is definitely not ok.
This guy sure punished her daughter the hard way. Although I find it a little ridiculous to shoot down the laptop like that, why didnt he just sold it like any sane person would you. Granted he surely paid for that laptop a bunch of time just because of that YouTube video.