Free – This is another one of those months where I wish I had 11 slots to award, Free, because you’d be #11. Despite being on the same team as GGPlay, you’ve been sent out as the team’s ace time and time again; there has to be a reason.
GoRush – It’s not that I think you’ve gotten worse, GoRush. It’s just that everyone else has had more of a chance to prove themselves as of late. Plus, you’re out of the running for an OSL slot; that weighs heavily against you.
July – You made a pretty good showing in the last MSL, and you just made it out—2-0, no less!—of a difficult ODT group. I’ll be watching closely to see if your brilliance of yore is actually resurfacing. When you’re in form, no Zerg is more entertaining to watch.
Nal_Rock - I'll be really surprised if you make it out of your OSL group, and I'm willing to guarantee that you won't progress past the Ro8.
Nada – You’ve clawed your way back into the MSL, but your record—and your play—since April has been too mediocre to seriously consider you for a slot in this month’s Power Rank.
As for the rankings themselves, I don't have quite as many doubts about Stork. I like Iris, but I'm not sure I would put him at #2 (but yeah, Iris is probably more rounded than GGPlay). I wonder how GGPlay would have fared if he had to face any Protoss on his climb to thet OSL win. He certainly did a good job against Terrans...
Other than that, interesting that Hwasin was ousted by both champions (and I'm not terribly surprised either). And I think I'd put July above FBH (second month he's just barely missed out on the PR). FBH seriously needs to work on his TvP. I think he would have beaten Stork if he had played more straight up, but that's probably a testament to Stork's level of play in a couple of games than anything (how he won even two games with the marine/tank crap is beyond me, he made retarded attempted cheeses too. Does he even have the slightest clue how to do a timing push?). Maybe push Free or GoRush to number 10 instead of July (I'm leaning towards July followed by GoRush).
On August 01 2007 09:53 zer0das wrote: Also, I believe you have another typo... you have TvP twice and I think you meant TvZ to be there once in the FBH ditty. ~_~
Incorrect. His TvP is just that--his play in TvP games--and his career TvP record is a compilation of statistics. Someone could have great TvP and still have a horrible TvP record, for instance, if they got cheesed a bunch or had to play on difficult maps.
On August 01 2007 09:44 HolyToss1911 wrote: gg play ftw
edit: wtf that rank need nal_rock
No rank needs Nal_Rock. He's not good.
Added: I will, however, add him to "Close, but no cigar...."
You put out a great power rank and then get to this point. I admit I have never been a fan of Rock either but in july he has managed to beat FBH, Jaedong, and Flash in best of series. The guy is hot right now.
On August 01 2007 10:47 bErAtEd- wrote: You put out a great power rank and then get to this point. I admit I have never been a fan of Rock either but in july he has managed to beat FBH, Jaedong, and Flash in best of series. The guy is hot right now.
Lukewarm? Maybe. Hot? I'm afraid not. Watch his games. His wins are more a result of the incompetence of his opponents than any true degree of "power." Every single person in the "Close, but no cigar..." section, except Reach, is playing better than him. His PvZ is weak, his PvT revolves around the Terran having bad push timing, and his PvP is nothing special.
Everyone gets too excited when a player wins a few games. You have to look past the fact that a player "won a series" and actually examine the play of everyone involved.
FBH deserved the 10# for his pretty TvT nukerush and his enjoyable style, and his results has been pretty good last month. Die haters and Savior fanboys who still despise him after that ceremony .
When it comes to the whole FBH vs. Free argument, I agree with most of you: I'd rather see Free in the #10 slot. The problem is that FirebatHero has posted strong results in multiple Starleagues, especially in the most-recent MSL. Free... well, Free's only made two MSLs ever, and he performed poorly in both of them. So as much as I think Free is the stronger performer right now, I'm going to give the guy who's accomplished something on "the big stage" the benefit of the doubt.
If Free makes it through to both the OSL and MSL (as of right now, he's qualified for neither), look for him to be there next month.
As for Rock, he's been around for a really long time, and he's never been anything special. Perhaps you all forget the days where Rock would make the OSL, show a hint of potential, and then accomplish precisely nothing. He's done it five times before; this is his sixth OSL. So no, I'm not one to start getting excited when he wins a few games that contain some truly ugly play from his opponents. Rock's play looks the same as it always has, his Proleague record is a meager 4-3, and he's nowhere to be seen in the MSL.
Rock needs to accomplish something at the Starleague level before I seriously consider him for a spot in the PR.
cool new power ranking! I look forward to reading these every month. The reason why I think fbh should be off the list is cuz of yesterdays performance. It was pretty bad.
On August 01 2007 17:26 kNyTTyM wrote: cool new power ranking! I look forward to reading these every month. The reason why I think fbh should be off the list is cuz of yesterdays performance. It was pretty bad.
Damn I can't believe Rock's been in five starleagues already. Sheeeeeeeeeeit.
Re: GGPlay vs Iris. I think it should be a rule that you can not be ranked lower than the opponent you just beat in a Bo5. Particularly if said Bo5 was the OSL FINALS.
On August 01 2007 18:18 HonestTea wrote: Re: GGPlay vs Iris. I think it should be a rule that you can not be ranked lower than the opponent you just beat in a Bo5. Particularly if said Bo5 was the OSL FINALS.
its like that in a lot of sports, like for golf for example. tiger woods is still reigning number 1 even though hes lost some matches to others, so if tiger woods lost a huge match in the masters to jim furyk, is he supposed to be dropped down to 2? it doesnt work that way, its the overall ranking, the ranking during that time period, so overall in the month not just in one match.
what i like about powerrank: how he talks like if korean progamers read this. or even the korean kespa! xD. what i dont like about powerrank: how he talks like if the level of progamers were not equal. which is very wrong. everyday we see new players defeating the top kespa. frozean played really good and i was impressed! its still a good read though!
On August 02 2007 01:09 therockpwns wrote: what i like about powerrank: how he talks like if korean progamers read this. or even the korean kespa! xD. what i dont like about powerrank: how he talks like if the level of progamers were not equal. which is very wrong. everyday we see new players defeating the top kespa. frozean played really good and i was impressed! its still a good read though!
I was right about July, now all I need to see is him and Stork rape through these upcoming tournaments and I'll be happy as can be for the next 3 months.
On August 02 2007 01:09 therockpwns wrote: what i like about powerrank: how he talks like if korean progamers read this. or even the korean kespa! xD. what i dont like about powerrank: how he talks like if the level of progamers were not equal. which is very wrong. everyday we see new players defeating the top kespa. frozean played really good and i was impressed! its still a good read though!
On August 02 2007 08:09 Jathin wrote: Uhhhh. Hwasin's past only applies if it's the last thing we've seen from him. We haven't seen a damn thing from Hwasin after he was knocked out of OSL/MSL. Flash, on the other hand, just got fucking clobbered by anyone who was competent. He has no midgame/lategame 'sense' -- he opens strong and fucks up. Hwasin shows stability in his gameplay. Sure, he loses, but he never invokes a "what the FUCK???" response from me like Flash does.
So NaDa making MSL 2-0 in prelims earned him close but no cigar? NaDa starting to show his face around once again? Well he just ripped ODT 2-0 as well, welcome back genius Terran! :-) Didn't even MIA long enough for us to miss you :-) Most consistent progamer of all times fits you well. NaDa isn't ever going anywhere.
On August 03 2007 04:52 VioleTAK wrote: So NaDa making MSL 2-0 in prelims earned him close but no cigar? NaDa starting to show his face around once again? Well he just ripped ODT 2-0 as well, welcome back genius Terran! :-) Didn't even MIA long enough for us to miss you :-) Most consistent progamer of all times fits you well. NaDa isn't ever going anywhere.
On August 03 2007 04:52 VioleTAK wrote: So NaDa making MSL 2-0 in prelims earned him close but no cigar? NaDa starting to show his face around once again? Well he just ripped ODT 2-0 as well, welcome back genius Terran! :-) Didn't even MIA long enough for us to miss you :-) Most consistent progamer of all times fits you well. NaDa isn't ever going anywhere.
Hehehe, we all knew ggplay had amazing skill and management. I was thinking the OSL win would be an excuse to propel him to #2 (like a "he's always got the skills, but now he's got the spirit of a champion" sort of argument), but damn you make a good point. Iris just has the mojo going. I'm not an Iris fan, but I can't argue with his results and the way he's been pummelling opponents for the past 2-3 seasons. And he's been doing it with style too, with his unrelenting offense.
On August 03 2007 20:46 Purind wrote: Hehehe, we all knew ggplay had amazing skill and management. I was thinking the OSL win would be an excuse to propel him to #2 (like a "he's always got the skills, but now he's got the spirit of a champion" sort of argument), but damn you make a good point. Iris just has the mojo going. I'm not an Iris fan, but I can't argue with his results and the way he's been pummelling opponents for the past 2-3 seasons. And he's been doing it with style too, with his unrelenting offense.
Yeah. I agree, he looksjust DOMINANT. I want to see his BLizzcon games v savior (To see if svior won b/c iris messed up or was iris outplayed)
i think savior still has that 6th sense for anti cheese, he clearly showed it by domination over nal_ra's proxy gate and also against the proxy racks by iris.
On August 05 2007 14:10 x_woof_x wrote: i think savior still has that 6th sense for anti cheese, he clearly showed it by domination over nal_ra's proxy gate and also against the proxy racks by iris.
<3 the power rank etter
Actually, Savior was fucked in that game. Horrible mistake by ra placing his zeals bad at the ramp cost him the game.
Dude Rock should be in your top 10, I don't care that you think he is not good and will dissapoint in osl. You can't tell the future, and you should base rankings off of current performance and strength. And Rock currently beat Three players in the power rank in string of best of series.
Just because he has not shown anything for a long time doesnt really mean anything. I mean, before this year everyone though Stork was the failed neo protoss hero. Sometimes things just click for someone, and they suddenly play better than before.
On August 07 2007 03:09 RivetHead wrote: Dude Rock should be in your top 10, I don't care that you think he is not good and will dissapoint in osl. You can't tell the future, and you should base rankings off of current performance and strength. And Rock currently beat Three players in the power rank in string of best of series.
Just because he has not shown anything for a long time doesnt really mean anything. I mean, before this year everyone though Stork was the failed neo protoss hero. Sometimes things just click for someone, and they suddenly play better than before.
You're clearly confused about how the PR works. You see, I actually watch the games. If a player looks like crap, his record suddenly becomes a lot less meaningful. Consider Silver, who took 2nd in an MSL one month. He beat a lot of people to get there. But he never made the Power Rank. Why is that? Because he's a third-rate player, like Rock.
If Rock shakes things up in the OSL, I might consider him next month, but the very idea that he should be above a single player in the current PR is offensive.
On August 04 2007 00:11 CustomXSpunjah wrote: i think if flash and sea went bo7 flash would squirt his pre-adolescent jizz all over sea's square face
are you kidding me?
you'd pick flash over Sea? in terran versus terran? in a series?
sorry dude thats poor judgement the kid lost to boxer and hwasin
how can you say its bad judgement, this is starcraft progamers, anything can happen its not like its set in stone that sea WILL beat flash. Its just my belief that flash is better, and if they went heads up he would win, he has a strong tvt, maybe not as proven as sea's but i still think he can win. anyone can play the "stats" judgement, but sometimes faith works too
Nal_ra is very promising to make an appearance on the PR, he won 2 BO3 against iris who is TOP 2
hwasin lost a game vs an amateur....he could have lost the 3rd game also.... he definitly has to drop some places
the next set of game in the WCG qualification will answer the following questions :
- Can oov make it past the round 16 (if yes i want definitly in the close cigar section) - Can savior make it past the round 16 (if yes switch savior and hwasin ) - if nada win over sea at least i think he will qualify to wcg so he definitly have to make an appearance on the PR if sea wins nothing happen... - if hwasin wins over nal_ra (a nobody on the power rank) nothing happen - if july take out jaedong he deserves a slot on the PR (1st bisu then jaedong.....) - if jaedong wins,... nothing happen
Iris and Savior have both mentioned WCG as important events for them. Savior, more for his Matler world domination deal, and Iris... cuz... I think he gets a nasty ego trip destroying newbies... lol. Iris mentioned it at Blizzcon maybe? It was in some video interview deal. So I honestly believe Iris played hard, plus he did his typical 2 fact hardcore vs Ra and Ra just teabagged Iris.
Also, you put Hwasin over Savior this month I noticed. I shoulda said something the first time LOL. Come on -_-;; Hwasin? over Matler? Pfft, whatever, Savior had a really bad month. I won't grill you too hard cuz you will have to love Jaedong sooner or later.
Die Iris Die. Die Iris Die.
Go Jaedong Go. I think his ZvP will improve quite fast. He only lost the game vs Stork when he proxy gated JD hard. His other two games were utter birdrape. Plus, we all know Jangbi is so dead tomorrow.
Etterbomb, there are a lot of miscellaneous events this month, how will you handle it?
BTW - I really think Iris' TvP is a one trick pony like Boxer's. Ok, Boxer's TvP minus proxies = 1 trick rather.
Hwasin is a good all around player who will win a OSL/MSL one of these days (I'm pretty convinced of this). He just needs to step it up a notch, and he'll be great. Putting him above Savior isn't that crazy given their recent performance.
On August 13 2007 02:49 zer0das wrote: Hwasin is a good all around player who will win a OSL/MSL one of these days (I'm pretty convinced of this). He just needs to step it up a notch, and he'll be great. Putting him above Savior isn't that crazy given their recent performance.
agreed, also given Savior's recent performance.....HwaSin>Savior ez
On August 13 2007 02:49 zer0das wrote: Hwasin is a good all around player who will win a OSL/MSL one of these days (I'm pretty convinced of this). He just needs to step it up a notch, and he'll be great. Putting him above Savior isn't that crazy given their recent performance.
agreed, also given Savior's recent performance.....HwaSin>Savior ez
uh hwasins a solid player but theres no way hes ever winning a league unless he gets a casy-esque draw. hes not gonna beat savior either.
On August 13 2007 02:49 zer0das wrote: Hwasin is a good all around player who will win a OSL/MSL one of these days (I'm pretty convinced of this). He just needs to step it up a notch, and he'll be great. Putting him above Savior isn't that crazy given their recent performance.
agreed, also given Savior's recent performance.....HwaSin>Savior ez
You mean Savior's recent performance of getting into both Starleagues again, winning Blizzcon, and advancing to WCG Korea RO8?
Savior is 11-9 in his last 20 games (in the TLPD) and Hwasin is 10-10. You could make a point their performance as of late has been about the same but Savior has proved he is a champion many times. Hwasin never has.
july definitly had to make an entrance he plays very good (event though he lost against stork )
sea need to climb some place
light on the close but no cigar
savior is back !!! (he never left lol )
stork has definitly showed us that he has a good PvZ so i think....i don't know.....GGplay,iris.....*sight*......hard one.....i would prefer bisu then stork then ggplay then iris
On August 13 2007 02:49 zer0das wrote: Hwasin is a good all around player who will win a OSL/MSL one of these days (I'm pretty convinced of this). He just needs to step it up a notch, and he'll be great. Putting him above Savior isn't that crazy given their recent performance.
agreed, also given Savior's recent performance.....HwaSin>Savior ez
uh hwasins a solid player but theres no way hes ever winning a league unless he gets a casy-esque draw. hes not gonna beat savior either.
On August 13 2007 02:49 zer0das wrote: Hwasin is a good all around player who will win a OSL/MSL one of these days (I'm pretty convinced of this). He just needs to step it up a notch, and he'll be great. Putting him above Savior isn't that crazy given their recent performance.
agreed, also given Savior's recent performance.....HwaSin>Savior ez
uh hwasins a solid player but theres no way hes ever winning a league unless he gets a casy-esque draw. hes not gonna beat savior either.
...he just did.
indeed he did savior needs to stop fucking around with his style.
with savior, more than any other great player whose dominance isn't as great as it once was, it seems that he simply just stopped playing great rather than the field catching up to him
On August 21 2007 04:38 Hot_Bid wrote: that is what is sad =(
with savior, more than any other great player whose dominance isn't as great as it once was, it seems that he simply just stopped playing great rather than the field catching up to him
Strange enough, he was once "The Dictator". Somehow he plays in the same league with others now.
On August 21 2007 04:38 Hot_Bid wrote: that is what is sad =(
with savior, more than any other great player whose dominance isn't as great as it once was, it seems that he simply just stopped playing great rather than the field catching up to him
The field did catch up with him. Last year, his 3 hatch was invincible. The best terran players could not prevent Savior from getting 3-4 gases.
Nowadays, Light, Hwasin, and FBH and probably many more are able to shut down his expansions and overpower him.
They all go fast CC while careful defending their ramp/choke and move out with a big army while Savior's economy and army are still weak. This is why Savior doesn't do his usual 3 hatch strategy as much and has to use zerglings to wither down the marine count to get an edge and delay the Terrans. If the zerglings fail to gain him an advantage, Savior can be taken down.
Savior has used his 3-hatch zvt and muta zvp since the beginning. He kept on using them until they didn't work anymore. Nowadays, these strategies aren't as effective and he has to change.
On August 21 2007 04:38 Hot_Bid wrote: that is what is sad =(
with savior, more than any other great player whose dominance isn't as great as it once was, it seems that he simply just stopped playing great rather than the field catching up to him
I mean, the signs were already there. Iris almost took Savior down too in Shinhan 3, don't forget. Sooner or later every great player loses their dominance when everyone else adapts.
On August 13 2007 02:49 zer0das wrote: Hwasin is a good all around player who will win a OSL/MSL one of these days (I'm pretty convinced of this). He just needs to step it up a notch, and he'll be great. Putting him above Savior isn't that crazy given their recent performance.
agreed, also given Savior's recent performance.....HwaSin>Savior ez
You mean Savior's recent performance of getting into both Starleagues again, winning Blizzcon, and advancing to WCG Korea RO8?
Savior is 11-9 in his last 20 games (in the TLPD) and Hwasin is 10-10. You could make a point their performance as of late has been about the same but Savior has proved he is a champion many times. Hwasin never has.
Talk about jerking off to past results. When exactly was the last time Savior proved himself to be a champion?
On August 11 2007 05:22 trollbone wrote: so much good players right now
firebathero need to drop out of the PR
Nal_ra is very promising to make an appearance on the PR, he won 2 BO3 against iris who is TOP 2
hwasin lost a game vs an amateur....he could have lost the 3rd game also.... he definitly has to drop some places
the next set of game in the WCG qualification will answer the following questions :
- Can oov make it past the round 16 (if yes i want definitly in the close cigar section) - Can savior make it past the round 16 (if yes switch savior and hwasin ) - if nada win over sea at least i think he will qualify to wcg so he definitly have to make an appearance on the PR if sea wins nothing happen... - if hwasin wins over nal_ra (a nobody on the power rank) nothing happen - if july take out jaedong he deserves a slot on the PR (1st bisu then jaedong.....) - if jaedong wins,... nothing happen
I think you forget that all of these games you cited are in tourneys that don't matter.
The weight goes OSL > MSL > Proleague > all other tourneys.
In this situation no one has anything else to practice for. Everyone still left in WCG is focused 100% on this tournament because it's the only thing they're playing right now.
On August 13 2007 02:49 zer0das wrote: Hwasin is a good all around player who will win a OSL/MSL one of these days (I'm pretty convinced of this). He just needs to step it up a notch, and he'll be great. Putting him above Savior isn't that crazy given their recent performance.
agreed, also given Savior's recent performance.....HwaSin>Savior ez
You mean Savior's recent performance of getting into both Starleagues again, winning Blizzcon, and advancing to WCG Korea RO8?
Savior is 11-9 in his last 20 games (in the TLPD) and Hwasin is 10-10. You could make a point their performance as of late has been about the same but Savior has proved he is a champion many times. Hwasin never has.
Talk about jerking off to past results. When exactly was the last time Savior proved himself to be a champion?
All I was saying is Savior has won 4 starleagues and Hwasin has won 0. I'm not denying Hwasin's good play, he is a bit boring to me though. If you want to argue though Savior did just win Blizzcon. CHAMPION
On August 13 2007 02:49 zer0das wrote: Hwasin is a good all around player who will win a OSL/MSL one of these days (I'm pretty convinced of this). He just needs to step it up a notch, and he'll be great. Putting him above Savior isn't that crazy given their recent performance.
agreed, also given Savior's recent performance.....HwaSin>Savior ez
You mean Savior's recent performance of getting into both Starleagues again, winning Blizzcon, and advancing to WCG Korea RO8?
Savior is 11-9 in his last 20 games (in the TLPD) and Hwasin is 10-10. You could make a point their performance as of late has been about the same but Savior has proved he is a champion many times. Hwasin never has.
Talk about jerking off to past results. When exactly was the last time Savior proved himself to be a champion?
All I was saying is Savior has won 4 starleagues and Hwasin has won 0. I'm not denying Hwasin's good play, he is a bit boring to me though. If you want to argue though Savior did just win Blizzcon. CHAMPION
to use your argument, boxer and junwi has had about the same record lately (terrible that is). but boxer should be ranked above junwi because he has 'proved he is a champion many times' whereas junwi hasn't? that's ridiculous, junwi didn't give a shit when he went and beat him in msl survivor
On August 26 2007 12:08 GrandInquisitor wrote: to use your argument, boxer and junwi has had about the same record lately (terrible that is). but boxer should be ranked above junwi because he has 'proved he is a champion many times' whereas junwi hasn't? that's ridiculous, junwi didn't give a shit when he went and beat him in msl survivor
When Junwi got a WO because Boxer withdrew? Yeah, awesome job Junwi!
On August 26 2007 19:33 tomatriedes wrote: Don't know if anyone saw it but Light lost to a random bnet player (TvZ)on MBC Games's bnet attack show! Pretty embarassing for him.
it wasnt random bnet player, it was saint (progamer).
On August 26 2007 12:08 GrandInquisitor wrote: to use your argument, boxer and junwi has had about the same record lately (terrible that is). but boxer should be ranked above junwi because he has 'proved he is a champion many times' whereas junwi hasn't? that's ridiculous, junwi didn't give a shit when he went and beat him in msl survivor
When Junwi got a WO because Boxer withdrew? Yeah, awesome job Junwi!
On August 26 2007 12:08 GrandInquisitor wrote: to use your argument, boxer and junwi has had about the same record lately (terrible that is). but boxer should be ranked above junwi because he has 'proved he is a champion many times' whereas junwi hasn't? that's ridiculous, junwi didn't give a shit when he went and beat him in msl survivor
When Junwi got a WO because Boxer withdrew? Yeah, awesome job Junwi!
shh i didn't see the game ;D
doesn't change my point though
Etter has done that in the past, giving proven champions the benefit of the doubt with higher rankings. Hwasin did just win WCG Korea though so it doesn't really matter now.
Is there going to be a new Power Rank near the beginning of September? We did have games the first 3 weeks of August at least.
On August 30 2007 10:44 boghat wrote: Is there going to be a new Power Rank near the beginning of September? We did have games the first 3 weeks of August at least.
I was going to throw up a new list, but I'm not sure anymore; it would just be 10 paragraphs in a row about how I don't care about invitationals and barely care about WCG. I was only going to make a couple changes, anyway, in light of the WCG results (Sea #8, Flash #9, Free #10).
On August 30 2007 23:27 SuperJongMan wrote: Move down Iris 7? Why not. All he did was lose TvP's. Move up Jaedong. SC256 winz. Move up Hwasin. I think he is clear #3.
Yeah, that's about it. I guess bottom 2 slots are feel goods for good users. Boxer and Ra. Sure why not?
And yeah WCG is a nothing tourney, but.. hard to argue against Hwasin's tear. There hasn't been enough games to really compare him to Iris or GGPlay terribly well though. Heck, even Stork. But I think he's at least shown he's not exactly a one or two match wonder anymore (not that he wasn't doing that before).
On August 30 2007 23:27 SuperJongMan wrote: Move down Iris 7? Why not. All he did was lose TvP's. Move up Jaedong. SC256 winz. Move up Hwasin. I think he is clear #3.
Yeah, that's about it. I guess bottom 2 slots are feel goods for good users. Boxer and Ra. Sure why not?
On August 30 2007 23:27 SuperJongMan wrote: Move down Iris 7? Why not. All he did was lose TvP's. Move up Jaedong. SC256 winz. Move up Hwasin. I think he is clear #3.
Yeah, that's about it. I guess bottom 2 slots are feel goods for good users. Boxer and Ra. Sure why not?
I don't think WCG Korea is really all the nothing you crack it up to be. If it was run simultaneously with OSL & MSL & Proleague, sure, but when you have nothing else to practice for but a heavily-KeSPA-weighted international thing of national pride, WCG Korea matters not too much less than a regular league.
I still think that GGPlay doesn't deserve his #3 slot. But the lack of recent games makes it quite hard to prove my point. (Or to be proven wrong, which is cool.)
sAviOr better smash Hwasin in Proleague. I'm getting sick of that girly terran bitch. Sick of Savior losing to him at least T_T
edit- Wow I just noticed the ELO rating system in the TLPD. Sweet! Savior #2 and Hwasin #3, 4-5 win-loss against each other with Hwasin in the lead, #5 and #6 on the Power Rank. This is a fucking grudge match.
I'm very sad that Savior lost both games to Hwasin and Sea but along with Iris, Hwasin and Sea are the top 3 terrans right now and Savior put up good fights both games. Still, it's depressing, Savior is making me sad.
this may have happened in the offseason but Hwasin has played amazing well in several games, not just WCG Korea but also that STX Invitational that he singlehandedly won for STX Soul. yeah, i know it's not official matches, but it's not just that he won, but he won very convincingly.
WCG may not matter to everyone but Savior is gone on record in a FiFo interview that he wants to win the WCG and ProLeage badly since he has already won OSL and MSL before. so the WCG mattered to him. what's more he didn't just lose to Hwasin in the WCG Korea semifinals, he got beat down pretty badly.
i would say going into the second half of the season, Hwasin has to be considered one of the hottest player (i'm not saying he's #1, just saying his current form is arguably the best along with Jaedong)
agreed, hwasin better be #2 powerrank, or ever #1. after all, he did beat bisu in that Masters Cup thing. of course, that was just a special event so i guess it doesn't really matter that much, but when two people are doing very very well, shouldn't the person who beat the other be ranked ahead?
Heh, I'd agree with your top 5, but I don't think Savior is #6 anymore. Come to think of it, I'm not terribly sure who I'd put there... or how I'd order the bottom 5.
Probably
6. Jaedong 7. Savior 8. Flash 9. Sea 10. Oov
Edit: Although I hate putting Jaedong ahead of Savior given that Jaedong hasn't played any group stage games yet, but Savior has looked pretty lost in Proleague. Also hesitant to notch Sea up until he's played through his group stage.
Well there's going to be some good games to consider coming down the stretch, DJ has been known to be willing to go deep into next month if he thinks it'll give him a better picture.
I don't know if Flash is going to stay in PR really, hasn't he had a pretty dismal month? For some reason I remember him losing more than winning, although it was a pretty slow month either way.
First Proleague game of Bisu's we'll see, not to mention a week or two of OSL, which should be revealing.
Glad MBC coach broke out the winning Bisu/Sea/Light/thezerg combination finally, but for wemade? where was that lineup when they were up against CJ or Khan?!
You could maybe switch Savior and Iris. What I'm wondering is why Iris wasn't even in the MBC Survivor for the MSL? What's the deal there? He doesn't have many recent results so I want to know how much in form he still is really.
Now I'm pretty sure Etter will put Bisu first but I'm gonna go ahead and put Hwasin #1 there anyway. He has gotten better results than Bisu lately and won WCG Korea. The only reason you could argue Bisu is still first is because his skill still surpasses Hwasin. That would be hard to argue either way but I have feeling that's what Etter will do.
He won't rate Hwasin above Bisu, because OSL>MSL>Proleague... WCG doesn't really count for much. There hasn't been enough time for Hwasin to surpass what Bisu/Stork have done, and since he lost to Light I'd probably rate him below Iris now.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he waits until Iris/Jaedong play a OSL/MSL game, but I'm not going to be happy if he does.
On September 29 2007 03:38 zer0das wrote: He won't rate Hwasin above Bisu, because OSL>MSL>Proleague... WCG doesn't really count for much. There hasn't been enough time for Hwasin to surpass what Bisu/Stork have done, and since he lost to Light I'd probably rate him below Iris now.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he waits until Iris/Jaedong play a OSL/MSL game, but I'm not going to be happy if he does.
You would rank Hwasin below Iris now because he lost one game to Light? That's pretty retarded.
Here's a hint to the people that think Bisu is far and away #1 still: take a look at his recent games compared to Hwasin's recent games, hell take a look his recent games compared to anyone else's recent games on my top 10 list. Does Bisu still look so hot?
WCG might not mean much in the way of tournaments compared to the OSL and MSL but is anyone going to argue that these players somehow don't try to bring their best game to WCG Korea? Just because the WCG isn't as prestigious doesn't mean the players who did well in it were not still beating the highest level competition. I really don't see how you can just dismiss WCG like that, it's kind of dumb. It's different than just some random special event, I'm pretty sure the pros all try in this one.
On September 29 2007 03:38 zer0das wrote: He won't rate Hwasin above Bisu, because OSL>MSL>Proleague... WCG doesn't really count for much. There hasn't been enough time for Hwasin to surpass what Bisu/Stork have done, and since he lost to Light I'd probably rate him below Iris now.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he waits until Iris/Jaedong play a OSL/MSL game, but I'm not going to be happy if he does.
You would rank Hwasin below Iris now because he lost one game to Light? That's pretty retarded.
Here's a hint to the people that think Bisu is far and away #1 still: take a look at his recent games compared to Hwasin's recent games, hell take a look his recent games compared to anyone else's recent games on my top 10 list. Does Bisu still look so hot?
WCG might not mean much in the way of tournaments compared to the OSL and MSL but is anyone going to argue that these players somehow don't try to bring their best game to WCG Korea? Just because the WCG isn't as prestigious doesn't mean the players who did well in it were not still beating the highest level competition. I really don't see how you can just dismiss WCG like that, it's kind of dumb. It's different than just some random special event, I'm pretty sure the pros all try in this one.
I don't disagree with you, I think Hwasin is playing amazing right now even with his loss to Light. With this in mind its still hard to remove Bisu from number one no matter how you rank your system. Even though Bisu's most recent games are a little subpar I wouldn't really say that he has done anything to lose his #1 spot. The guy comes up big when he needs to. Yes I suppose his loss to Light in WCG is a little frustrating but ever since he's taken over savior from #1 he's continued to prove he is dominant.
Also with Hwasin, even though he won the WCG qualifying tournament, he still hasn't clinched his first big tournament win (I realize winning WCG Korea is questionable to disprove what I just said, but I'm going to stick by original thought). As you've already said, WCG shouldn't be dismissed but I don't think its as nerve racking as competing for the finals of a Starleague. I think if Hwasin can come out with the WCG win it will be huge, and it will continue to show us how powerfully he can play. To really throw him in the number one spot though I would feel it more justified if he could dethrone Bisu. When Bisu was challenging for the #1 spot and people were waffling between him and Savior, Bisu continually showed that he should be #1. Hopefully in a future power rank Hwasin can do the same.
On September 29 2007 03:38 zer0das wrote: He won't rate Hwasin above Bisu, because OSL>MSL>Proleague... WCG doesn't really count for much. There hasn't been enough time for Hwasin to surpass what Bisu/Stork have done, and since he lost to Light I'd probably rate him below Iris now.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he waits until Iris/Jaedong play a OSL/MSL game, but I'm not going to be happy if he does.
You would rank Hwasin below Iris now because he lost one game to Light? That's pretty retarded.
Pretty much... given that the only other games have been Proleague (where they've both looked fine), and Iris hasn't lost (played) his OSL games yet. I'd consider Iris/Hwasin pretty even at this point (although Hwasin is in both OSL/MSL, Iris is only in OSL), so results are paramount. Haven't had a chance to watch the game quite yet, but I suspect Hwasin's gameplay wasn't top notch.
I suppose one could be more conservative and wait until Hwasin was eliminated until notching him below Iris, but... the chances of him getting eliminated from OSL are reasonably high, so I'd tend toward ranking him lower. If the ranking is in error and he goes on to get to the Ro8, well... it'll be quite obvious if that is the case.
I'd say rankings early in the season are subject to change fairly quickly based on the latest results. ~_~
What the players on the current power ranking have done this month in the individual leagues:
1. Bisu Made it past his MSL group 2-1. Won his first game in his OSL group over GGplay.
2. Iris[gm] Seeded for OSL, Not qualified for MSL. (So basically, he didn't do anything important, at all)
3. GGPlay Lost his first game in his OSL group to Bisu, Not qualified for MSL.
4. Stork[gm] Made it past his MSL Group 2-1. Won his first game in his OSL group over NaDa.
5. Hwasin Made it past his MSL Group 2-0. Lost his first game in his OSL group to Light.
6. sAviOr Made it past his MSL Group 2-0. Won his first game in his OSL group over Frozean.
7. Jaedong Qualified for the OSL, Not qualified for MSL.
8. By.Flash Eliminated from his MSL Group 1-2, Qualified for OSL.
9. Sea[Shield] Qualified for MSL, Qualified for OSL.
10. Firebathero Eliminated from his MSL Group 1-2, Not qualified for OSL.
I'm not including Proleague results since its rather difficult to keep track of all the games played, and because it's not as 'important' in terms of their power ranking. From the looks of this, FBH is definitely getting booted off the ranking. Flash will probably be dropped down to 9-10 or be gone entirely. GGPlay will also probably be moved out of the Top 5. Iris's position is hard to judge because he has not done anything of note in September, although it's impossible to deny that he is very scary right now.
1. Bisu 2. Stork 3. Iris (kinda hard to judge since he hasn't played yet) 4. Savior 5. Hwasin 6. Sea[shield], his proleague games were mega impressive, and that's an understatement. Coolest TvZ style I've ever seen. 7. ggplay, he got mega-owned by bisu, I expected him to put up more of a fight really 8. Oov, he's kicking a LOT of ass again. Wooped bisu's ass easily and owned nada with a brilliant strategy. 9. July 10. Flash, got creamed in msl, only win was a bbs rush vs nada iirc At least he still has his osl.
I probably put sea too high but I'm a real terran fanboy. :[
Sea is definitely moving up in powerrank his proleague results show him in superior form, and he has some pretty impressive defeats Oovs doing well also, he beat bisu and he also seems to be in top notch form i dont even know why i have GG play on my list he got worked this month....
Oov has definitely impressed of late. Yes, he was playing against a slumping NaDa, but anytime you win that decisively against somebody that good, it means you're in top form. Also, beating bisu was pretty good (though it is true that PvT isn't bisu's best matchup).
Also, I've been very impressed by Oversky lately. Maybe not enough to make the power rank, but he had an impressive win over Nal_Ra and played pretty well against Anytime on Katrina with that proxy hatch (good strategy, mediocre execution). Unfortunately, I think ACE is overusing him and he's going to experience the same slump that NaDa had with Pantech EX.