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On March 26 2012 09:50 dcsoda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:40 Ruscour wrote:On March 26 2012 09:36 dcsoda wrote:On March 26 2012 09:32 Ruscour wrote: SC2 has absolutely no passion...the crowd doesn't go wild for anything, they're so unbelievably quiet. This whole tournament didn't have much hype, watching the final round of the Halo finals was by far the most enjoyable part of the weekend for me.
MLG is missing something big with SC2 now. It's not SC2's problem, because GSL has it. GSL does it great. I don't know what it is, but foreign tournaments just aren't coming close to capturing the magic like they should, in my opinion. Guh this again? So you didn't watch Columbus last year? Or Anaheim? Or Blizzcon? People at the event have been saying how awesome it was for the last three days just because you didn't hear it on stream doesn't mean jack. I cannot stress this point enough, I'm even gonna bold it. How awesome the crowd is at the live event is largely irrelevant if it doesn't carry over to the stream.How many people are in attendance? Compare that to the number of people watching online. MLG's target audience is primarily those watching online. If the crowd is going to barely be heard, what's the difference between this and the Winter Arena from a spectator point of view? If the crowd, and the hype at the live event are really that great, then it falls to MLG to do a better job in portraying that for those at home. It makes a real difference. The Halo crowd's cheering and chanting was amazing. Starcraft fans are typically more "reserved", but on stream it just looks like they're all bored and passionless. Whether it carried over on stream to you or not is what is irrelevant. If you've ever been to a large sporting event you should know it is IMPOSSIBLE to recreate that on TV or on a stream. That electricity will never translate because we aren't there. Calling SC2 fans passionless is asinine when you see the number of people that went to Columbus and have continued to attend foreign events and the Korean players rave about the atmosphere every single time. That's not true at all.
You can't recreate the exact atmosphere, but you can show crowd reactions, show how hyped up everyone is, how much fun people are having, the devastation when their player is losing, etc. MLG doesn't do any of this stuff. You can barely even hear the crowd and when they do show them, there's very little energy there. Obviously you can't recreate the live atmosphere, but you can show that the live atmosphere exists, at least.
EDIT: Just to clarify, I have nothing against MLG or any other foreign tournaments that I kinda called out before. I'm not trying to shit on them, I'm trying to gain awareness about this so that they can improve, because it's a really big dealbreaker for me. I don't care for commentary, I don't really care too much who wins (from a fan perspective), the live crowd and that excitement is what makes me watch live rather than just watch the replays later.
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On March 26 2012 10:40 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:36 Kitaen wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 usethis2 wrote: MKP's TvZ is absolutely terrifying. His micro enables him to utilize uncommon unit combinations (or stupid unit combination on some other hands) successfully. And it seems like his attack always hits half a minute earlier than other Terrans when it comes to TvZ. Why bother with drops when you can crush your opponent head-on?
DRG needs to vary his strats if he were to beat MKP. I know Z doesn't have many tools but he is way too predictable. In a Bo9, he could have attempted a 6-pool which might have caught greedy strats like the CC-first. In every game, MKP wasn't threatened or felt danger at all. Even when he wasn't rushing, he simply did what he wanted to do with absolute freedom. That early game advantage paid off hugely for him, let alone his imppecable unit control.
If only such tactics worked for his TvT (and to some extent TvP), MKP would be untouchable. But for now, and it has been for long time IMO, MKP is the king of TvZ.
Edit: Oh, and I do think DRG has lost some touch on ZvT as he's been focusing way too much on (his previously weak) ZvP of late. actually they work even better versus protoss, thats why i consider him even better at tvp he pretty much stomped MC, Sase and Parting - and those guys (esp. Parting) have arguably the strongest pvt on the planet tvt is definitely his weakness right now, but i think thats more because of the volatile nature of tvt MarineKing, so far this year: 74% TvT 61% TvZ (in part due to 13 losses against DRG - without those 13 losses, he'd be 72%) 83% TvP overall 71% chew on those numbers a bit and just see how much his vP and vT have improved.
His vP was never really that bad (beat MC in the world tourney when he was crushing terrans), it was his vT that was infamous for being medicore. The vP thing is more in part do to metagame shifts as a whole, as well as him going through a slumpish phase
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On March 26 2012 10:21 Gingerninja wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:16 ChaosTerran wrote:What rank were you in THC? That would be interesting to know, if you claim to have been decent at the game then you should also be able to link your account. www.bungie.net (top right, H2 Gamertags) I played 2078 games of Halo 2 :O They wiped the stats more times than I care to remember. Can't get into my stats on there, only through way point. only tells you games / kills / K'D too.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo2.aspx?gameid=75110169&player=Phalanx00
IIRC this was my first name...I had so many. This was prior to them futzing up the entire ranking system. When 20+ meant you were astonishingly good. I don't remember the rest, but I remember all the amazing games with Mezmorized and KevinRo (both of whom went on to become semi-pro / pro).
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On March 26 2012 10:42 Niteblade_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:40 opterown wrote:On March 26 2012 10:36 Kitaen wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 usethis2 wrote: MKP's TvZ is absolutely terrifying. His micro enables him to utilize uncommon unit combinations (or stupid unit combination on some other hands) successfully. And it seems like his attack always hits half a minute earlier than other Terrans when it comes to TvZ. Why bother with drops when you can crush your opponent head-on?
DRG needs to vary his strats if he were to beat MKP. I know Z doesn't have many tools but he is way too predictable. In a Bo9, he could have attempted a 6-pool which might have caught greedy strats like the CC-first. In every game, MKP wasn't threatened or felt danger at all. Even when he wasn't rushing, he simply did what he wanted to do with absolute freedom. That early game advantage paid off hugely for him, let alone his imppecable unit control.
If only such tactics worked for his TvT (and to some extent TvP), MKP would be untouchable. But for now, and it has been for long time IMO, MKP is the king of TvZ.
Edit: Oh, and I do think DRG has lost some touch on ZvT as he's been focusing way too much on (his previously weak) ZvP of late. actually they work even better versus protoss, thats why i consider him even better at tvp he pretty much stomped MC, Sase and Parting - and those guys (esp. Parting) have arguably the strongest pvt on the planet tvt is definitely his weakness right now, but i think thats more because of the volatile nature of tvt MarineKing, so far this year: 74% TvT 61% TvZ (in part due to 13 losses against DRG - without those 13 losses, he'd be 72%) 83% TvP overall 71% chew on those numbers a bit and just see how much his vP and vT have improved. His vP was never really that bad (beat MC in the world tourney when he was crushing terrans), it was his vT that was infamous for being medicore. The vP thing is more in part do to metagame shifts as a whole, as well as him going through a slumpish phase
While that's true I think you can see in his play that MKP has hit another level.
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On March 26 2012 10:41 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:38 gosuMalicE wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. Are you serious? I was 44 in H2 and never considered myself a top player, you sound really full of yourself when you make that claim that 90% of the people with a higher rank then you was a cheater. As someone who came from a mainly shooter background to strategy games like starcraft and dota 2, I can reinforce that Halo at top skill level takes nowhere near the skill that a high skillcap RTS takes even at a moderately high (diamond+) skill level. You had a 44 in THC?
Dude he is obviously lying. Nobody had a 44 in THC and didn't know that it was mainly cheaters at that level. It took up to 6 hours to even find a game.
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On March 26 2012 05:29 da_head wrote: Why dt shrine for achons?
Dts: useless, given that robo was confirmed by huk takes longer then templar acrhive archon dts are more expensive overall. You get one more archon but 4-5 less zealots. Well, even with observers around individual DTs can be situationally useful, while HTs does literally nothing.
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On March 26 2012 10:40 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:38 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:35 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:31 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. the cheating wasnt prominent in the entire lifespan of the playlist.. just for like the last whatever before they removed the leaderboards or whatever they did. i honestly didnt think id ever be discsussing halo 2 on a TL but.. whatever. No, cheating was always prominent in Halo2. You can stop lying now. Ask anyone on any haloforum, nobody had a legit 45, they were at the very least bridging host. So there is no way you were a legit 44 and dont even remember your gamertag, only very skilled and dedicated players would even come close to this level. i dont even know how to respond to idiots like this. i mean yes people cheated but there were less cheaters than your apocalyptic description. and i had multiple 35+ accounts back in the day. and to be honest this discussion has drifted ffffaaaaaarrrrrrrr off topic from what we were talking about before No, absolutely everyone was cheating at the top level. Stop lying now because you obviously have never played Halo2. Or else just name one of your various high level accounts so I can look it up for myself. Liars are so annoying. Dude, I played at the high end of matchmaking ok and I was only mid-tier compared to pros and I can guarantee you that it was almost impossible to find a legit game at that level. http://www.bungie.net/stats/PlayerStatsHalo2.aspx?player=ilonex&sg=3That's my profile, now link yours or shut up. Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:38 gosuMalicE wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. Are you serious? I was 44 in H2 and never considered myself a top player, you sound really full of yourself when you make that claim that 90% of the people with a higher rank then you was a cheater. As someone who came from a mainly shooter background to strategy games like starcraft and dota 2, I can reinforce that Halo at top skill level takes nowhere near the skill that a high skillcap RTS takes even at a moderately high (diamond+) skill level. Then link your account? I played at tops level in H2 matchmaking and know for a fact that it was full of cheaters. go to haloforum.eu and ask anyone there, they will tell you exactly the same. Dude.. Calm the hell down..
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On March 26 2012 10:40 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:38 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:35 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:31 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. the cheating wasnt prominent in the entire lifespan of the playlist.. just for like the last whatever before they removed the leaderboards or whatever they did. i honestly didnt think id ever be discsussing halo 2 on a TL but.. whatever. No, cheating was always prominent in Halo2. You can stop lying now. Ask anyone on any haloforum, nobody had a legit 45, they were at the very least bridging host. So there is no way you were a legit 44 and dont even remember your gamertag, only very skilled and dedicated players would even come close to this level. i dont even know how to respond to idiots like this. i mean yes people cheated but there were less cheaters than your apocalyptic description. and i had multiple 35+ accounts back in the day. and to be honest this discussion has drifted ffffaaaaaarrrrrrrr off topic from what we were talking about before No, absolutely everyone was cheating at the top level. Stop lying now because you obviously have never played Halo2. Or else just name one of your various high level accounts so I can look it up for myself. Liars are so annoying. Dude, I played at the high end of matchmaking ok and I was only mid-tier compared to pros and I can guarantee you that it was almost impossible to find a legit game at that level. http://www.bungie.net/stats/PlayerStatsHalo2.aspx?player=ilonex&sg=3That's my profile, now link yours or shut up. Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:38 gosuMalicE wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. Are you serious? I was 44 in H2 and never considered myself a top player, you sound really full of yourself when you make that claim that 90% of the people with a higher rank then you was a cheater. As someone who came from a mainly shooter background to strategy games like starcraft and dota 2, I can reinforce that Halo at top skill level takes nowhere near the skill that a high skillcap RTS takes even at a moderately high (diamond+) skill level. Then link your account? I played at tops level in H2 matchmaking and know for a fact that it was full of cheaters. go to haloforum.eu and ask anyone there, they will tell you exactly the same. why does every discussion have to boil down to a penis measuring contest. i dont remember what my gamertag was.. i was like 14 at the time... i tried searching my names that ive used and none of them returned results.. i dont know why youre so hung up on the most stupid thing. not like this proves anything anyways
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On March 26 2012 10:43 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:42 Niteblade_ wrote:On March 26 2012 10:40 opterown wrote:On March 26 2012 10:36 Kitaen wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 usethis2 wrote: MKP's TvZ is absolutely terrifying. His micro enables him to utilize uncommon unit combinations (or stupid unit combination on some other hands) successfully. And it seems like his attack always hits half a minute earlier than other Terrans when it comes to TvZ. Why bother with drops when you can crush your opponent head-on?
DRG needs to vary his strats if he were to beat MKP. I know Z doesn't have many tools but he is way too predictable. In a Bo9, he could have attempted a 6-pool which might have caught greedy strats like the CC-first. In every game, MKP wasn't threatened or felt danger at all. Even when he wasn't rushing, he simply did what he wanted to do with absolute freedom. That early game advantage paid off hugely for him, let alone his imppecable unit control.
If only such tactics worked for his TvT (and to some extent TvP), MKP would be untouchable. But for now, and it has been for long time IMO, MKP is the king of TvZ.
Edit: Oh, and I do think DRG has lost some touch on ZvT as he's been focusing way too much on (his previously weak) ZvP of late. actually they work even better versus protoss, thats why i consider him even better at tvp he pretty much stomped MC, Sase and Parting - and those guys (esp. Parting) have arguably the strongest pvt on the planet tvt is definitely his weakness right now, but i think thats more because of the volatile nature of tvt MarineKing, so far this year: 74% TvT 61% TvZ (in part due to 13 losses against DRG - without those 13 losses, he'd be 72%) 83% TvP overall 71% chew on those numbers a bit and just see how much his vP and vT have improved. His vP was never really that bad (beat MC in the world tourney when he was crushing terrans), it was his vT that was infamous for being medicore. The vP thing is more in part do to metagame shifts as a whole, as well as him going through a slumpish phase While that's true I think you can see in his play that MKP has hit another level.
This is true, but I think its a general increase, not just in 1-2 MUs. His vZ had a slump as well where he got slammed by some random zergs in a code s group (this is like spring of last year i think?)
I agree, MKP is on an insane level right now. Will be curious to see if he can translate this into GSL success, where there is so much time to prepare for matchs (seeing as he is a ladder beast, and thus tournaments like MLG favour his experience over say, someone from SlayerS where they do team preping of builds and such for BoX series in advance)
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On March 26 2012 10:46 honed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:40 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:38 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:35 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:31 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. the cheating wasnt prominent in the entire lifespan of the playlist.. just for like the last whatever before they removed the leaderboards or whatever they did. i honestly didnt think id ever be discsussing halo 2 on a TL but.. whatever. No, cheating was always prominent in Halo2. You can stop lying now. Ask anyone on any haloforum, nobody had a legit 45, they were at the very least bridging host. So there is no way you were a legit 44 and dont even remember your gamertag, only very skilled and dedicated players would even come close to this level. i dont even know how to respond to idiots like this. i mean yes people cheated but there were less cheaters than your apocalyptic description. and i had multiple 35+ accounts back in the day. and to be honest this discussion has drifted ffffaaaaaarrrrrrrr off topic from what we were talking about before No, absolutely everyone was cheating at the top level. Stop lying now because you obviously have never played Halo2. Or else just name one of your various high level accounts so I can look it up for myself. Liars are so annoying. Dude, I played at the high end of matchmaking ok and I was only mid-tier compared to pros and I can guarantee you that it was almost impossible to find a legit game at that level. http://www.bungie.net/stats/PlayerStatsHalo2.aspx?player=ilonex&sg=3That's my profile, now link yours or shut up. On March 26 2012 10:38 gosuMalicE wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. Are you serious? I was 44 in H2 and never considered myself a top player, you sound really full of yourself when you make that claim that 90% of the people with a higher rank then you was a cheater. As someone who came from a mainly shooter background to strategy games like starcraft and dota 2, I can reinforce that Halo at top skill level takes nowhere near the skill that a high skillcap RTS takes even at a moderately high (diamond+) skill level. Then link your account? I played at tops level in H2 matchmaking and know for a fact that it was full of cheaters. go to haloforum.eu and ask anyone there, they will tell you exactly the same. why does every discussion have to boil down to a penis measuring contest. i dont remember what my gamertag was.. i was like 14 at the time... i tried searching my names that ive used and none of them returned results.. i dont know why youre so hung up on the most stupid thing. not like this proves anything anyways
because your lying and its obvious that you are..
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now if only the sc2 crowd was as passionate as chaos is right now
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On March 26 2012 10:40 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:38 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:35 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:31 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. the cheating wasnt prominent in the entire lifespan of the playlist.. just for like the last whatever before they removed the leaderboards or whatever they did. i honestly didnt think id ever be discsussing halo 2 on a TL but.. whatever. No, cheating was always prominent in Halo2. You can stop lying now. Ask anyone on any haloforum, nobody had a legit 45, they were at the very least bridging host. So there is no way you were a legit 44 and dont even remember your gamertag, only very skilled and dedicated players would even come close to this level. i dont even know how to respond to idiots like this. i mean yes people cheated but there were less cheaters than your apocalyptic description. and i had multiple 35+ accounts back in the day. and to be honest this discussion has drifted ffffaaaaaarrrrrrrr off topic from what we were talking about before No, absolutely everyone was cheating at the top level. Stop lying now because you obviously have never played Halo2. Or else just name one of your various high level accounts so I can look it up for myself. Liars are so annoying. Dude, I played at the high end of matchmaking ok and I was only mid-tier compared to pros and I can guarantee you that it was almost impossible to find a legit game at that level. http://www.bungie.net/stats/PlayerStatsHalo2.aspx?player=ilonex&sg=3That's my profile, now link yours or shut up. Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:38 gosuMalicE wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. Are you serious? I was 44 in H2 and never considered myself a top player, you sound really full of yourself when you make that claim that 90% of the people with a higher rank then you was a cheater. As someone who came from a mainly shooter background to strategy games like starcraft and dota 2, I can reinforce that Halo at top skill level takes nowhere near the skill that a high skillcap RTS takes even at a moderately high (diamond+) skill level. Then link your account? I played at tops level in H2 matchmaking and know for a fact that it was full of cheaters. go to haloforum.eu and ask anyone there, they will tell you exactly the same.
Please, just stop. This is sad. Congrats on being 43 in H2. Not that big of an accomplishment, nor does it mean you're mid-tier. You're making yourself look dumb by arguing about Halo 2 on a Starcraft forum
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On March 26 2012 10:46 honed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:40 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:38 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:35 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:31 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. the cheating wasnt prominent in the entire lifespan of the playlist.. just for like the last whatever before they removed the leaderboards or whatever they did. i honestly didnt think id ever be discsussing halo 2 on a TL but.. whatever. No, cheating was always prominent in Halo2. You can stop lying now. Ask anyone on any haloforum, nobody had a legit 45, they were at the very least bridging host. So there is no way you were a legit 44 and dont even remember your gamertag, only very skilled and dedicated players would even come close to this level. i dont even know how to respond to idiots like this. i mean yes people cheated but there were less cheaters than your apocalyptic description. and i had multiple 35+ accounts back in the day. and to be honest this discussion has drifted ffffaaaaaarrrrrrrr off topic from what we were talking about before 44 in anyting is considered high for h2. i remember i got a 32 in TS and i was jumping in joy. lol then the next 3 games i got matched up against modders and i went back down to a 30. -_- No, absolutely everyone was cheating at the top level. Stop lying now because you obviously have never played Halo2. Or else just name one of your various high level accounts so I can look it up for myself. Liars are so annoying. Dude, I played at the high end of matchmaking ok and I was only mid-tier compared to pros and I can guarantee you that it was almost impossible to find a legit game at that level. http://www.bungie.net/stats/PlayerStatsHalo2.aspx?player=ilonex&sg=3That's my profile, now link yours or shut up. On March 26 2012 10:38 gosuMalicE wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. Are you serious? I was 44 in H2 and never considered myself a top player, you sound really full of yourself when you make that claim that 90% of the people with a higher rank then you was a cheater. As someone who came from a mainly shooter background to strategy games like starcraft and dota 2, I can reinforce that Halo at top skill level takes nowhere near the skill that a high skillcap RTS takes even at a moderately high (diamond+) skill level. Then link your account? I played at tops level in H2 matchmaking and know for a fact that it was full of cheaters. go to haloforum.eu and ask anyone there, they will tell you exactly the same. why does every discussion have to boil down to a penis measuring contest. i dont remember what my gamertag was.. i was like 14 at the time... i tried searching my names that ive used and none of them returned results.. i dont know why youre so hung up on the most stupid thing. not like this proves anything anyways
44 in halo 2 was considered high.
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On March 26 2012 10:46 honed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:40 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:38 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:35 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:31 honed wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. the cheating wasnt prominent in the entire lifespan of the playlist.. just for like the last whatever before they removed the leaderboards or whatever they did. i honestly didnt think id ever be discsussing halo 2 on a TL but.. whatever. No, cheating was always prominent in Halo2. You can stop lying now. Ask anyone on any haloforum, nobody had a legit 45, they were at the very least bridging host. So there is no way you were a legit 44 and dont even remember your gamertag, only very skilled and dedicated players would even come close to this level. i dont even know how to respond to idiots like this. i mean yes people cheated but there were less cheaters than your apocalyptic description. and i had multiple 35+ accounts back in the day. and to be honest this discussion has drifted ffffaaaaaarrrrrrrr off topic from what we were talking about before No, absolutely everyone was cheating at the top level. Stop lying now because you obviously have never played Halo2. Or else just name one of your various high level accounts so I can look it up for myself. Liars are so annoying. Dude, I played at the high end of matchmaking ok and I was only mid-tier compared to pros and I can guarantee you that it was almost impossible to find a legit game at that level. http://www.bungie.net/stats/PlayerStatsHalo2.aspx?player=ilonex&sg=3That's my profile, now link yours or shut up. On March 26 2012 10:38 gosuMalicE wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 ChaosTerran wrote:On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total. Are you serious? I was 44 in H2 and never considered myself a top player, you sound really full of yourself when you make that claim that 90% of the people with a higher rank then you was a cheater. As someone who came from a mainly shooter background to strategy games like starcraft and dota 2, I can reinforce that Halo at top skill level takes nowhere near the skill that a high skillcap RTS takes even at a moderately high (diamond+) skill level. Then link your account? I played at tops level in H2 matchmaking and know for a fact that it was full of cheaters. go to haloforum.eu and ask anyone there, they will tell you exactly the same. why does every discussion have to boil down to a penis measuring contest. i dont remember what my gamertag was.. i was like 14 at the time... i tried searching my names that ive used and none of them returned results.. i dont know why youre so hung up on the most stupid thing. not like this proves anything anyways
No, but you are telling me that "not many people" cheated at the high levels, when I and everyone else who had such a high level in matchmaking know that it took up to 6 hours to even find a legit game. You are trying to bullshit someone who actually has first hand experience, don't you see how silly that is?
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i didnt say that. i said it wasnt as bad as youre making it out to be. stop sensationalizing everything i say
that was my main account iirc
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On March 26 2012 10:48 Femari wrote: now if only the sc2 crowd was as passionate as chaos is right now i was watching both sc2 and halo, i heard the sc2 crowd a lot on the halo stream. they were quite loud. and there was a massive amount of them when the camera roamed around
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On March 26 2012 10:40 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:36 Kitaen wrote:On March 26 2012 10:28 usethis2 wrote: MKP's TvZ is absolutely terrifying. His micro enables him to utilize uncommon unit combinations (or stupid unit combination on some other hands) successfully. And it seems like his attack always hits half a minute earlier than other Terrans when it comes to TvZ. Why bother with drops when you can crush your opponent head-on?
DRG needs to vary his strats if he were to beat MKP. I know Z doesn't have many tools but he is way too predictable. In a Bo9, he could have attempted a 6-pool which might have caught greedy strats like the CC-first. In every game, MKP wasn't threatened or felt danger at all. Even when he wasn't rushing, he simply did what he wanted to do with absolute freedom. That early game advantage paid off hugely for him, let alone his imppecable unit control.
If only such tactics worked for his TvT (and to some extent TvP), MKP would be untouchable. But for now, and it has been for long time IMO, MKP is the king of TvZ.
Edit: Oh, and I do think DRG has lost some touch on ZvT as he's been focusing way too much on (his previously weak) ZvP of late. actually they work even better versus protoss, thats why i consider him even better at tvp he pretty much stomped MC, Sase and Parting - and those guys (esp. Parting) have arguably the strongest pvt on the planet tvt is definitely his weakness right now, but i think thats more because of the volatile nature of tvt MarineKing, so far this year: 74% TvT (29-10) 61% TvZ (54-34) - in part due to 13 losses against DRG - without those 13 losses, he'd be 72% 83% TvP (48-10) overall 71% 131-54 chew on those numbers a bit and just see how much his vP and vT have improved.
after seeing him play somehow clueless 2 rax all game in new york his tvz has improved by a mile, his tvp beeing godmode, thus leaving his tvt his only "weakness" if u want to call it like that
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Glad MKP won again. Hoping to see another round between him and DRG in this upcoming GSL ! Any recommended games from the past few days ? I was only able to watch off and on.
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Did mkp win the whole thing or there are still games ?
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