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On July 25 2012 03:21 TigerKarl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 03:08 Malpractice.248 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:45 ordinarY wrote:On July 25 2012 02:36 Malpractice.248 wrote: They also, in ZvT, have had the ability to harshly disrupt Z macro early game without much risk to themselves.
I'm just curious, but what ability is that? cause if you run 4-6 hellions in to kill a natural with 1 spine and 2 queens and don't kill any drones. you're pretty far behind. well, you don't need to kill drones. factory will make tanks, reactor for rines. those hellions will limit creep spread, force lings or spine or queens, which costs larva (important early) or limits your ability as z to be aggressive. you'll also get scouting, map control, and potentially get a z to overreact. those small things matter. Sounds like you haven't played the past months. Saying that as a master random player no, I have. and 6 queens is still a lot of minerals, which sets back tech and limits aggressive potential early by z. you don't need the hellions. I'm just saying what they can do.
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I'm sorry this is gonna sound very noob-ish,, what does increasing the maximum selection size will do ?? and what will be the difference between the current and the 1.50 patch ?
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On July 25 2012 03:56 Malpractice.248 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 03:21 TigerKarl wrote:On July 25 2012 03:08 Malpractice.248 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:45 ordinarY wrote:On July 25 2012 02:36 Malpractice.248 wrote: They also, in ZvT, have had the ability to harshly disrupt Z macro early game without much risk to themselves.
I'm just curious, but what ability is that? cause if you run 4-6 hellions in to kill a natural with 1 spine and 2 queens and don't kill any drones. you're pretty far behind. well, you don't need to kill drones. factory will make tanks, reactor for rines. those hellions will limit creep spread, force lings or spine or queens, which costs larva (important early) or limits your ability as z to be aggressive. you'll also get scouting, map control, and potentially get a z to overreact. those small things matter. Sounds like you haven't played the past months. Saying that as a master random player no, I have. and 6 queens is still a lot of minerals, which sets back tech and limits aggressive potential early by z. you don't need the hellions. I'm just saying what they can do.
What agressive potential does zerg really need when they can ensure their unkillable doom army? Remember when there was a blizzard post about how they were looking at infestor/broodlord as potentially too strong vs terran before people were using ghosts? Then people start using ghosts and ghosts get nerfed, leaving the same underlying issue
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On July 25 2012 03:55 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 03:13 mlspmatt wrote:On July 24 2012 17:12 Bensio wrote: I'm so glad there are no balance changes, nice that blizz have slowed down with changing stuff since the game is pretty balanced right now and HotS will knock that shit in the air anyway. I do believe Zerg has won something like 65% of the pro tournaments since the latest patch. According to stats used on Inside the game. That feels like a highly accurate stat, and is absolutely not an expedient falsehood to bolster your balance argument.
there's no way its 65%. Maybe If you're including like WCS's, and teamleagues? maybe? I'd like to see a link before I buy that piece of information.
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On July 25 2012 03:57 AlbertHR wrote: I'm sorry this is gonna sound very noob-ish,, what does increasing the maximum selection size will do ?? and what will be the difference between the current and the 1.50 patch ? Currently, you can select at the most 255 units at the same time. As in, an army of Zerglings with 130 supply Lings. They are upping this limit to 500. Mostly for custom games.
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On July 25 2012 03:52 Thamel wrote: I like that blizz is leaving balance alone for a bit. Patching balance too often takes a great deal of thought in a game like this with 3 races, and leaving it alone when each matchup is evolving further into more macro oriented play is great. The queen change may have caused a great shift in how TvZ is played, but it also made defensive play in ZvZ actually doable. Doing another balance patch with overwhelming changes that encourage a different way to play is not the way to change the metagame. Players need to do that themselves through innovation and experimentation, just like in BW.
As for the UI changes, I love them. It felt so clean when I used the arcade beta and hopefully some cool games can come from it too. Props to blizz for wanting to improve their product.
and of course u where of the same oppinion 2 years ago when siegetank lines crushed zergs on steps of war....you thought, damn players need to do that metagameshit themselfs through innovation (i mean back then innovation must even have been much easier since the game was not figgured as good as now)........i d bet my right hand that you where not saying or thinking this back then....and probably never through out the last 2 years when terran was really op....but now suddenly when your race is op you think of it another way....am i right?
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On July 25 2012 02:34 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:28 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 25 2012 02:26 mrlie3 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:18 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 25 2012 02:05 uzushould wrote:On July 25 2012 01:28 hooahah wrote: how can you guys still complain about the queen range when Terrans are doing fine in tournaments the is an obscene lie! Just because 1 terra lucky won a tornament does not mean everything is fine now. But to be honest it was obvios that this will happen......last months 24 tornament wins for zerg 3 for terra (now 4) and suddenly everyone is acting like the game is perfectly balanced...... i know this is not the balance thread but i just have to answer to someone who stone-cold lies. Saying Taeja got lucky is a lie. I think he meant to say that Taeja got lucky with having to face only 1 zerg (Losira who isn't so hot in zvt) in the tournament... ofc Taeja played fantastically in MLG. I dunno, he kinda said exactly that Taeja lucky won a tournament. Taeja had a fortunate bracket, there is no denying that.
Taeja also has some of the finest TvZ I've seen recently. He has decent odds to beat all the Zergs there imo..
But still, dodging zerg is pretty cool haha
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On July 25 2012 03:33 partysnatcher wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 20:30 DemigodcelpH wrote: Balance team plays Zerg.
User was warned for this post yeah.. no.
Dustin said that he don't have any other starcraft outfit in that interview xD He hope to get a zerg one for HotS actually.
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On July 25 2012 04:05 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 03:33 partysnatcher wrote:On July 24 2012 20:30 DemigodcelpH wrote: Balance team plays Zerg.
User was warned for this post yeah.. no. Dustin said that he don't have any other starcraft outfit in that interview xD He hope to get a zerg one for HotS actually.
DB only knows ONE RACE, and that is DESTRUCTIBLE ROCK!
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On July 25 2012 04:08 Irre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 04:05 Noocta wrote:On July 25 2012 03:33 partysnatcher wrote:On July 24 2012 20:30 DemigodcelpH wrote: Balance team plays Zerg.
User was warned for this post yeah.. no. Dustin said that he don't have any other starcraft outfit in that interview xD He hope to get a zerg one for HotS actually. DB only knows ONE RACE, and that is DESTRUCTIBLE ROCK!
Destructible Brock.
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The vast majority of the changes I didn't even realize were issues.
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Interesting patch, I like it. I appreciate that they're trying to fix so many subtle things, whether they be significant or not. The graphics improvement and perfomance optimizations are much weclome too.
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On July 25 2012 04:03 uzushould wrote: and of course u where of the same oppinion 2 years ago when siegetank lines crushed zergs on steps of war....you thought, damn players need to do that metagameshit themselfs through innovation (i mean back then innovation must even have been much easier since the game was not figgured as good as now)........i d bet my right hand that you where not saying or thinking this back then....and probably never through out the last 2 years when terran was really op....but now suddenly when your race is op you think of it another way....am i right?
Screw off. I wasn't saying that stuff back then because I hardly followed the scene or played/thought about it seriously at all (look at my join date). Balance, at this point, SHOULD be left alone because the statistics are actually close (If ladder is still skewed in terran favor in TvZ, it's mapmaking) instead of terran dumping on all other races. If you think about the changes to terran that brought the game to this (Nearly every T unit has faced some nerf now that I think about it), you could tell that the game was poorly made originally, but also good innovation by smart players helped to deal with it as well, along with good mapmaking by tournaments / ESV. Also, I'm not a terran player, so it shows how much of a jackass you really are for assuming that when I give something positive to blizz not changing balance. Balance changes also put a big asterisk on tournaments that are closely after them, just because of so little practice on the patch compared to the overall practice players perform.
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Isn't Tuesday the usual patch day? I figured it would be out by now.
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On July 25 2012 03:59 ordinarY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 03:55 IPA wrote:On July 25 2012 03:13 mlspmatt wrote:On July 24 2012 17:12 Bensio wrote: I'm so glad there are no balance changes, nice that blizz have slowed down with changing stuff since the game is pretty balanced right now and HotS will knock that shit in the air anyway. I do believe Zerg has won something like 65% of the pro tournaments since the latest patch. According to stats used on Inside the game. That feels like a highly accurate stat, and is absolutely not an expedient falsehood to bolster your balance argument. there's no way its 65%. Maybe If you're including like WCS's, and teamleagues? maybe? I'd like to see a link before I buy that piece of information.
think he is refering to recent wins since queen buff graph?
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4706/sandiegostan.png http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2509/tgth.jpg
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On July 25 2012 04:20 SuperYo1000 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 03:59 ordinarY wrote:On July 25 2012 03:55 IPA wrote:On July 25 2012 03:13 mlspmatt wrote:On July 24 2012 17:12 Bensio wrote: I'm so glad there are no balance changes, nice that blizz have slowed down with changing stuff since the game is pretty balanced right now and HotS will knock that shit in the air anyway. I do believe Zerg has won something like 65% of the pro tournaments since the latest patch. According to stats used on Inside the game. That feels like a highly accurate stat, and is absolutely not an expedient falsehood to bolster your balance argument. there's no way its 65%. Maybe If you're including like WCS's, and teamleagues? maybe? I'd like to see a link before I buy that piece of information. think he is refering to recent wins since queen buff graph? http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4706/sandiegostan.pnghttp://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2509/tgth.jpg Stop pulling that graph up every time. Metagame is settling.
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this community is pure gargabe. bnet seems that will be improved a lot, and yet only a small % of the posts of this topic talks about it, which is, like it or not, the main reason the game is slowing but surely dying.
stop talking about balance. the game is fine and it games a while to adapt to it. compare to WC3 and then you`ll see what is really imbalance.
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On July 25 2012 03:59 ordinarY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 03:55 IPA wrote:On July 25 2012 03:13 mlspmatt wrote:On July 24 2012 17:12 Bensio wrote: I'm so glad there are no balance changes, nice that blizz have slowed down with changing stuff since the game is pretty balanced right now and HotS will knock that shit in the air anyway. I do believe Zerg has won something like 65% of the pro tournaments since the latest patch. According to stats used on Inside the game. That feels like a highly accurate stat, and is absolutely not an expedient falsehood to bolster your balance argument. there's no way its 65%. Maybe If you're including like WCS's, and teamleagues? maybe? I'd like to see a link before I buy that piece of information.
they talked about it on ITG. of the 35 events since the last patch, zerg has won 22, protoss 10, and terran 3.
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On July 25 2012 02:45 Horseballs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:40 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2012 02:36 Malpractice.248 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:12 GinDo wrote:Fruitdealer wins 1st GSL = Game is imbalanced Buff Zerg. Nestea wins 2nd GSL = Game is imbalanced Buff Zerg. Teaja wins MLG Arena = Game is fine, if anything Terran is OP. People never cease to amaze me. + Show Spoiler + The only thing that SC2 needs in my opinion:
Terran: Needs a lategame transition. Essentially, this will most likely be a Mech buff.
Zerg: Needs a way to be able to win games before Hive, without going All-In. They also need more diversity.
Protoss: Need more diversity.
Really man? Season 1 should be left out, given NO ONE knew wtf was going on. He was the ONE zerg in final 8. And even then, mechanics were bad, all ins were VERY popular, and i dont think even magic boxing was around back then (iirc) Furthermore, he did have the ultra splash bug on his side, lol. Nestea had superior timings to prevent MKP's 2rax all in every game, lol. The reason people say "its fine" (even tho, ive seen the IMG of the OMG Z WINNING) is because as of the last 2 weeks, its been very balanced in the matchup (tourneys, gstl, etc) -- it takes time to adapt to a buff (for the non buffed race) Terran have a higher ability to get MORE for their units, since its all RDPS. And consistantly, since release, have won a ton. They also, in ZvT, have had the ability to harshly disrupt Z macro early game without much risk to themselves. However, I do agree in the 3 points u made in your spoiler. Let us not forget the unwatchable era of GomTvTvTvTvT. That part was left out of his post for some reason. Say what you want about GomTvTvTvT, but I watched basically every match back then and I watch hardly any matches now. That was before the BFH nerf, when TvT was the best matchup in the game when it was mech vs mech almost every time. Now it is just depressing and not very entertaining to watch basically every matchup as NR20.
I will say TvT was much better before the Hellion Nerf. Now it just seems like; He made *Blank* = Make More Marines.
The only weakness Marines have in TvT are positional, which are easily overcame by the fact that Medics are also dropships.
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On July 25 2012 04:22 Toastie.NL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 04:20 SuperYo1000 wrote:On July 25 2012 03:59 ordinarY wrote:On July 25 2012 03:55 IPA wrote:On July 25 2012 03:13 mlspmatt wrote:On July 24 2012 17:12 Bensio wrote: I'm so glad there are no balance changes, nice that blizz have slowed down with changing stuff since the game is pretty balanced right now and HotS will knock that shit in the air anyway. I do believe Zerg has won something like 65% of the pro tournaments since the latest patch. According to stats used on Inside the game. That feels like a highly accurate stat, and is absolutely not an expedient falsehood to bolster your balance argument. there's no way its 65%. Maybe If you're including like WCS's, and teamleagues? maybe? I'd like to see a link before I buy that piece of information. think he is refering to recent wins since queen buff graph? http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4706/sandiegostan.pnghttp://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2509/tgth.jpg Stop pulling that graph up every time. Metagame is settling.
relax dude. Im trying to help out the conversation. But apparently you cant handle it
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