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On July 25 2012 03:57 AlbertHR wrote: I'm sorry this is gonna sound very noob-ish,, what does increasing the maximum selection size will do ?? and what will be the difference between the current and the 1.50 patch ?
Good point, I know it'll help out with marine arena and probably other custom games.
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On July 25 2012 04:24 GinDo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:45 Horseballs wrote:On July 25 2012 02:40 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2012 02:36 Malpractice.248 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:12 GinDo wrote:Fruitdealer wins 1st GSL = Game is imbalanced Buff Zerg. Nestea wins 2nd GSL = Game is imbalanced Buff Zerg. Teaja wins MLG Arena = Game is fine, if anything Terran is OP. People never cease to amaze me. + Show Spoiler + The only thing that SC2 needs in my opinion:
Terran: Needs a lategame transition. Essentially, this will most likely be a Mech buff.
Zerg: Needs a way to be able to win games before Hive, without going All-In. They also need more diversity.
Protoss: Need more diversity.
Really man? Season 1 should be left out, given NO ONE knew wtf was going on. He was the ONE zerg in final 8. And even then, mechanics were bad, all ins were VERY popular, and i dont think even magic boxing was around back then (iirc) Furthermore, he did have the ultra splash bug on his side, lol. Nestea had superior timings to prevent MKP's 2rax all in every game, lol. The reason people say "its fine" (even tho, ive seen the IMG of the OMG Z WINNING) is because as of the last 2 weeks, its been very balanced in the matchup (tourneys, gstl, etc) -- it takes time to adapt to a buff (for the non buffed race) Terran have a higher ability to get MORE for their units, since its all RDPS. And consistantly, since release, have won a ton. They also, in ZvT, have had the ability to harshly disrupt Z macro early game without much risk to themselves. However, I do agree in the 3 points u made in your spoiler. Let us not forget the unwatchable era of GomTvTvTvTvT. That part was left out of his post for some reason. Say what you want about GomTvTvTvT, but I watched basically every match back then and I watch hardly any matches now. That was before the BFH nerf, when TvT was the best matchup in the game when it was mech vs mech almost every time. Now it is just depressing and not very entertaining to watch basically every matchup as NR20. I will say TvT was much better before the Hellion Nerf. Now it just seems like; He made *Blank* = Make More Marines. The only weakness Marines have in TvT are positional, which are easily overcame by the fact that Medics are also dropships.
maybe I'm remembering wrong but weren't TvTs back then prone to get into the mass SkyTerran battles because of BFH? that was cool once, but every other time was just boring as shit
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On July 25 2012 03:04 Oreo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:25 stormfoxSC wrote:On July 25 2012 02:18 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 25 2012 02:05 uzushould wrote:On July 25 2012 01:28 hooahah wrote: how can you guys still complain about the queen range when Terrans are doing fine in tournaments the is an obscene lie! Just because 1 terra lucky won a tornament does not mean everything is fine now. But to be honest it was obvios that this will happen......last months 24 tornament wins for zerg 3 for terra (now 4) and suddenly everyone is acting like the game is perfectly balanced...... i know this is not the balance thread but i just have to answer to someone who stone-cold lies. Saying Taeja got lucky is a lie. Very true, but it's still true that any Terran other than a top-notch, Korean-trained one is having a really difficult time posting any results these days. Any time you see the random Terran make it deep in an international tournament, you can practically guarantee it's a Code S Korean. Foreigner terrans have always been bad relative to Korean terrans. Any time anyone makes it deep into an international tournament, you can practically guarantee it's a Code S Korean or Stephano. 2012 Finals Appearances (non-Korean) -- Premier Tournaments:
Zerg Nerchio (1st x1) Stephano (1st x1, 2nd x1) DIMAGA (2nd x2)
Total: 5
Protoss MaNa (1st x1)
Total: 1
Terran ThorZaIN (1st x1)
Total: 1
2012 Top 8 Racial Representation -- Premier Tournaments:
+ Show Spoiler +Homestory Cup IV: Zerg: 3 | Terran: 2 | Protoss: 3
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Nerchio, DIMAGA (Ro8) Terran: GoOdy (Group stage Round 2 3rd) Protoss: Grubby (Group stage Round 2 3rd)
GSL Season 1 - Code S: Zerg: 1 | Terran: 3 | Protoss: 4
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Sen, IdrA (Ro32) Terran: -- Protoss: --
IEM Season VI - Global Challenge Kiev: Zerg: 2 | Terran: 2 | Protoss: 4
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: DIMAGA (2nd) Terran: Kas (3rd) Protoss: Pomi, White-Ra, NaNiwa, Feast (Ro8)
IEM Season VI - Global Challenge Sao Paulo: Zerg: 4 | Terran: 2 | Protoss: 2
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Ret (3rd) Terran: DeMusliM (Ro8) Protoss: Feast (Ro8)
ASUS ROG Winter Zerg: 2 | Terran: 3 | Protoss: 3
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Stephano (2nd) Terran: ClouD, DieStar (Ro16) Protoss: MaNa (Ro8)
MLG Winter Arena: Zerg: 2 | Terran: 2 | Protoss: 4
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Ret (Loser bracket Round 4) Terran: DeMusliM (Loser bracket Round 3) Protoss: HuK (3rd)
IronSquid: Zerg: 2 | Terran: 5 | Protoss: 1
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Ret, IdrA, Nerchio (Group stage, 3rd place) Terran: ThorZaIN (Group stage, 5th place) Protoss: HasuObs (Group stage, 4th place)
IEM Season VI World Championship Zerg: 2 | Terran: 2 | Protoss: 4
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: DarKFoRcE (Ro16) Terran: Kas (Group stage -- Group D 5th place) Protoss: Feast (4th)
MLG Winter Championship: Zerg: 2 | Terran: 3 | Protoss: 3
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Ret (Loser bracket Round 5) Terran: DeMusliM, KawaiiRice (Loser bracket Round 3) Protoss: HuK (4th)
GSL Season 2 - Code S: Zerg: 0 | Terran: 3 | Protoss: 5
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: -- Terran: -- Protoss: NaNiwa (Ro8)
IPL Season 4 Zerg: 2 | Terran: 5 | Protoss: 1
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Stephano (Top 6) Terran: -- Protoss: White-Ra (Group stage)
NASL Season 3: Zerg: 2 | Terran: 1 | Protoss: 5
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Stephano (1st) Terran: DeMusliM, Beastyqt (Ro16) Protoss: HuK (Ro8)
Dreamhack Open: Stockholm Zerg: 3 | Terran: 3 | Protoss: 2
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Ret (Ro4) Terran: ThorZaIN (1st) Protoss: Socke (Ro8)
MLG Spring Arena 2 Zerg: 3 | Terran: 3 | Protoss: 2
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Stephano (3rd) Terran: ThorZaIN, GoOdy (Loser bracket Round 2) Protoss: Grubby (Loser bracket Round 4)
GSL Season 3 - Code S: Zerg: 3 | Terran: 2 | Protoss: 3
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: -- Terran: ThorZaIN (Ro32) Protoss: NaNiwa (Ro8)
MLG Spring Championship Zerg: 2 | Terran: 3 | Protoss: 3
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Stephano (Top 6) Terran: ThorZaIN (Championship loser backet Round 3) Protoss: SaSe (Top 4)
Dreamhack Open: Summer Zerg: 3 | Terran: 0 | Protoss: 5
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: DIMAGA (2nd) Terran: BratOK (Ro16) Protoss: MaNa (1st)
Homestory Cup V Zerg: 5 | Terran: 0 | Protoss: 3
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Nerchio (1st) Terran: Happy, Naama (Group round 2, 3rd place) Protoss: HasuObs (Ro8)
MLG Summer Arena Zerg: 2 | Terran: 2 | Protoss: 4
Best non-Korean performance: Zerg: Stephano (Ro8) Terran: GoOdy (Loser bracket Round 3) Protoss: SaSe, Welmu (Winner bracket Round 2)
Holy God that was a lot of data to sift through. Anyway, if you spend the time looking through that you'll see that non-Korean Terrans have had much worse performance in 2012 compared to other non-Koreans playing Protoss and Zerg. On top of that, it also shows the idea of Stephano being the only foreigner to place deep in Korean-studded brackets to be completely bunk.
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On July 25 2012 04:04 iaguz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:34 Hypemeup wrote:On July 25 2012 02:28 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 25 2012 02:26 mrlie3 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:18 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 25 2012 02:05 uzushould wrote:On July 25 2012 01:28 hooahah wrote: how can you guys still complain about the queen range when Terrans are doing fine in tournaments the is an obscene lie! Just because 1 terra lucky won a tornament does not mean everything is fine now. But to be honest it was obvios that this will happen......last months 24 tornament wins for zerg 3 for terra (now 4) and suddenly everyone is acting like the game is perfectly balanced...... i know this is not the balance thread but i just have to answer to someone who stone-cold lies. Saying Taeja got lucky is a lie. I think he meant to say that Taeja got lucky with having to face only 1 zerg (Losira who isn't so hot in zvt) in the tournament... ofc Taeja played fantastically in MLG. I dunno, he kinda said exactly that Taeja lucky won a tournament. Taeja had a fortunate bracket, there is no denying that. Taeja also has some of the finest TvZ I've seen recently. He has decent odds to beat all the Zergs there imo.. But still, dodging zerg is pretty cool haha There weren't exactly a million Code S Zergs to begin with.
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On July 25 2012 04:13 Thamel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 04:03 uzushould wrote: and of course u where of the same oppinion 2 years ago when siegetank lines crushed zergs on steps of war....you thought, damn players need to do that metagameshit themselfs through innovation (i mean back then innovation must even have been much easier since the game was not figgured as good as now)........i d bet my right hand that you where not saying or thinking this back then....and probably never through out the last 2 years when terran was really op....but now suddenly when your race is op you think of it another way....am i right? Screw off. I wasn't saying that stuff back then because I hardly followed the scene or played/thought about it seriously at all (look at my join date). Balance, at this point, SHOULD be left alone because the statistics are actually close (If ladder is still skewed in terran favor in TvZ, it's mapmaking) instead of terran dumping on all other races. If you think about the changes to terran that brought the game to this (Nearly every T unit has faced some nerf now that I think about it), you could tell that the game was poorly made originally, but also good innovation by smart players helped to deal with it as well, along with good mapmaking by tournaments / ESV. Also, I'm not a terran player, so it shows how much of a jackass you really are for assuming that when I give something positive to blizz not changing balance. Balance changes also put a big asterisk on tournaments that are closely after them, just because of so little practice on the patch compared to the overall practice players perform.
your the jackass because you just lie and say statistics are close while in fact they absolutely aren t.....and if you would have followed the hole discussion everywhere just a tiny little bit, you would know that there is 40 % zerg in gm while there are only 20 % terrans, that Z won 50 % of the last tornaments while terra did not even win 10 %......and then you come here and post some bullshit about statistics saying the matchup is balanced? guys like you make me sick
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On July 24 2012 19:57 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 19:55 malaan wrote:On July 24 2012 19:35 Fus wrote: I think Blizzard stated long ago that there would be no balance changes untill HOTS Yup. This is true. The only thing I have an issue with currently is the Creep Spread. It's insane that zerg can basically have 80% map hack by 9 minutes into the game. But we will see what HOTS brings to the table I guess. I am loving that swarm host. I will build one, and I will camp it outside their base and surround it with banelings and that one swarm host will keep spewing out locust and keep hitting them like a finger poking the opponents one nipple. Then they would move out to take it out and BOOM. Mmmmmmm I will be doing that while fapping. When they scan to see your Swarm Host, they'd see your Banelings...
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On July 24 2012 21:27 pallad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 18:00 urashimakt wrote: I was a bit worried that 1.5 would bring some whimsical balance changes with it. I'm glad it didn't. Why you was worried abouth that ? Its clear from months that 1.5 is ONLY INTERFACE Patch , to prepere WoL client for HOTS. There was so LONG disscusion abouth this patch , when ptr beta start , you all miss it ? or wtf... I labelled a possible change as whimsical for a reason. Just because Blizzard planned not to release any balance related changes doesn't mean they wouldn't in the end.
I was invited to the arcade alpha and I followed the arcade beta. I kept up to date on what patch 1.5 was supposed to be about. I'm glad it kept on that.
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So when is 1.5 getting applied?
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"It is no longer possible to queue up multiple build commands using a single Drone."
destroyed my opening strategy in Desert Strike (UMS) as zerg. now i cant trick the other players into thinking im building when i am in fact just queuing and plan on building a geyser. damn you blizzard!!
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On July 25 2012 04:36 hooahah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 04:24 GinDo wrote:On July 25 2012 02:45 Horseballs wrote:On July 25 2012 02:40 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2012 02:36 Malpractice.248 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:12 GinDo wrote:Fruitdealer wins 1st GSL = Game is imbalanced Buff Zerg. Nestea wins 2nd GSL = Game is imbalanced Buff Zerg. Teaja wins MLG Arena = Game is fine, if anything Terran is OP. People never cease to amaze me. + Show Spoiler + The only thing that SC2 needs in my opinion:
Terran: Needs a lategame transition. Essentially, this will most likely be a Mech buff.
Zerg: Needs a way to be able to win games before Hive, without going All-In. They also need more diversity.
Protoss: Need more diversity.
Really man? Season 1 should be left out, given NO ONE knew wtf was going on. He was the ONE zerg in final 8. And even then, mechanics were bad, all ins were VERY popular, and i dont think even magic boxing was around back then (iirc) Furthermore, he did have the ultra splash bug on his side, lol. Nestea had superior timings to prevent MKP's 2rax all in every game, lol. The reason people say "its fine" (even tho, ive seen the IMG of the OMG Z WINNING) is because as of the last 2 weeks, its been very balanced in the matchup (tourneys, gstl, etc) -- it takes time to adapt to a buff (for the non buffed race) Terran have a higher ability to get MORE for their units, since its all RDPS. And consistantly, since release, have won a ton. They also, in ZvT, have had the ability to harshly disrupt Z macro early game without much risk to themselves. However, I do agree in the 3 points u made in your spoiler. Let us not forget the unwatchable era of GomTvTvTvTvT. That part was left out of his post for some reason. Say what you want about GomTvTvTvT, but I watched basically every match back then and I watch hardly any matches now. That was before the BFH nerf, when TvT was the best matchup in the game when it was mech vs mech almost every time. Now it is just depressing and not very entertaining to watch basically every matchup as NR20. I will say TvT was much better before the Hellion Nerf. Now it just seems like; He made *Blank* = Make More Marines. The only weakness Marines have in TvT are positional, which are easily overcame by the fact that Medics are also dropships. maybe I'm remembering wrong but weren't TvTs back then prone to get into the mass SkyTerran battles because of BFH? that was cool once, but every other time was just boring as shit
Only very late into the game. But this style was questionable. Thor > Viking+Banshee > BC > Thors. Then there's the addition of the PDD, Seeker Missile, the EMP, and the Nuke in all three styles. It was a very dynamic lategame. You couldn't really make Marines, because Hellions steamroll them, and as a result you could build tons of other units like Thors and BC's which Marines would normally shit on.
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On July 25 2012 05:19 dAPhREAk wrote: "It is no longer possible to queue up multiple build commands using a single Drone."
destroyed my opening strategy in Desert Strike (UMS) as zerg. now i cant trick the other players into thinking im building when i am in fact just queuing and plan on building a geyser. damn you blizzard!! In desert strike drone does not mutate into building.
In standart games you were able to do multiple commands for drone after building, but when it comes to building, it finished with red error message like "Can't do that command" after starting morphing into a building
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On July 25 2012 05:34 Existor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:19 dAPhREAk wrote: "It is no longer possible to queue up multiple build commands using a single Drone."
destroyed my opening strategy in Desert Strike (UMS) as zerg. now i cant trick the other players into thinking im building when i am in fact just queuing and plan on building a geyser. damn you blizzard!! In desert strike drone does not mutate into building. In standart games you were able to do multiple commands for drone after building, but when it comes to building, it finished with red error message like "Can't do that command" after starting morphing into a building
It woudd have been funny to see a spinecrawler morph into a baneling nest ;_; ah well. This seems mostly like bug fixes and the like.
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On July 25 2012 04:17 nomyx wrote: Isn't Tuesday the usual patch day? I figured it would be out by now.
Monday on SEA, Tuesday on NA, Wednesday on EU, Thursday on KR/TW. So yeah it'll come out on a upcoming monday.
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so next week the patch is out?
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On July 24 2012 21:41 algue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 20:28 Jakkerr wrote:No balance changes proscene is pretty balanced atm. I understand that terran is harder to play in the lower leagues, but changes to fix that would disturb competitive balance again. wtf I like competitive gaming but I haven't bought this game to see a few players playing in my stead. I want a game balanced for the lower league I don't care if the game is balanced for 200 people out of 300K ! Lets just sacrifice the 170K terran player of this game that are not in GM league for the professional gaming sake ! Your are so right !
LOL, walk right on sir.
The game has to be balanced for competitive, these people are earning their money through playing this game. If it's unfair there's no reason to play the game for any reason, or everyone would be the same race. If the competitive scene dies out, casual scene dies out very soon after it.
A game can only survive if it has a competitive scene. It's how money is pumped into the game and how it keeps being active. It gives new players incentive to get better and so on.
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On July 25 2012 03:55 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 03:13 mlspmatt wrote:On July 24 2012 17:12 Bensio wrote: I'm so glad there are no balance changes, nice that blizz have slowed down with changing stuff since the game is pretty balanced right now and HotS will knock that shit in the air anyway. I do believe Zerg has won something like 65% of the pro tournaments since the latest patch. According to stats used on Inside the game. That feels like a highly accurate stat, and is absolutely not an expedient falsehood to bolster your balance argument. Falsehood or not, it's what was discussed by professional players on ITG. Do you have better information than them?
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Nice to see no balance changes for once lol.
All the Terran QQ has become so terribad it's actually good fun.
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On July 24 2012 17:11 Nekovivie wrote: No bunker changes?
hahaha! LOL'D
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On July 25 2012 06:01 Salteador Neo wrote: Nice to see no balance changes for once lol.
All the Terran QQ has become so terribad it's actually good fun.
Hi Zerg
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