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On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well?
Well I disagree o.o I think that's evident?
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People saying that BW should phase out because of graphics aren't true SC believers imo and when SC3 comes out they will be the ones saying "SC2 is shit because they don't have the new shader effects" lol. Comon now you can't ever speak for the entire BW foreign community or Korean BW community just because you browse some forums man, not every single fan posts there just like not all fans post on here.
BW is a beautiful game that requires insanely good mechanics and I think the main reason its not the big talk around TL anymore is because all the top foreign players switched games. They were the pillars besides Korean scene for BW and when they switched people did with them and new people hopped on board because a new awesome game had come out. But saying graphics is the main reason is ridiculous, most players I watch play even SC2 on all low without all the fancy stuff.
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if this means less brood war, then i am disappoint. brood war is still a much better game than sc2.
if this means more sc2, then i am happy. sc2 is very entertaining to watch.
so can anyone clarify the implications of this partnership?
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Wow, an interesting development - very interested to see how this goes. In particular, if a switch occurs I wonder how the sponsors will play it out.
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On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums.
Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community.
what's your point?
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Nooo... don't don't do this to me. I mean I'm happy and all but still. Why abandon BW now? It's still.. it's still...
T_____T.
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it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks
I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience
Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff.
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What would be interesting though is if this situation turns into a GOM vs Kespa WoL vs HotS situation. I don't know how that would play out at all, or where that leaves the players...
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I'd be really really really sad if BW died, but It'd be awesome to see all the REAL BW pros raping everyone in the scene.
Also LOL at blizz doing this behind GOM's back.
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On July 08 2011 15:01 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Well I disagree o.o I think that's evident?
Well I thought you were questioning my credibility?
Let's leave it at that.
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On July 08 2011 14:58 Dakkas wrote: This is horrible, I could never support this. If BW is to finish then let it finish because it doesn't have popularity anymore, not for any other reason.
Well, lets be honest again. If this were true if KESPA is actually considering this then it would mean they are not really considering BW popular enough to keep the leagues running.Blizzard is big, but I doubt they have enough money to pay off KESPA or something.
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On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point?
Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly.
The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained.
And DES is extremely anti-SC2.
FFS, they are calling GSL an event league.
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On July 08 2011 15:05 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point? Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly. The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained. And DES is extremely anti-SC2. FFS, they are calling GSL an event league.
Most of their live audience at the studio are foreigners lol.
And milkis point is that you're getting your viewpoint from the sc2 community, so of course they are going to think sc2 is better lol.
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On July 08 2011 15:06 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:05 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point? Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly. The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained. And DES is extremely anti-SC2. FFS, they are calling GSL an event league. Most of their live audience at the studio are foreigners lol.
Did you take a look at the GOM studio recently?
I saw quite alot of Koreans at GSTL.
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The only reason i can see why KESPA would do that, is because they see the worldwide attention Sc2 gets. Maybe they realized what opporunity they wasted for bw, and that they are completely isolated now. Still, if bw should die, i would be sad for months, because for me, sc2 the game itself, is clearly inferior by a huge margin.
And personally i like the way GOM handels everything, i would be so sad if they weren't the main anchor for sc2 in korea.
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On July 08 2011 15:05 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point? Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly. The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained. And DES is extremely anti-SC2. FFS, they are calling GSL an event league.
THey called GSL an event league ages ago (when boxer retired), why still bitter about it? and yes it's common knowledge that DES has been anti sc2. Note how i talked about fomos and not des...
Fomos is very harsh on KeSPA and has been very pro blizzard in the past. one of their writers even went to Blizzard HQ for HOTS preview.
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On July 08 2011 15:01 RaLakedaimon wrote: People saying that BW should phase out because of graphics aren't true SC believers imo and when SC3 comes out they will be the ones saying "SC2 is shit because they don't have the new shader effects" lol. Comon now you can't ever speak for the entire BW foreign community or Korean BW community just because you browse some forums man, not every single fan posts there just like not all fans post on here.
BW is a beautiful game that requires insanely good mechanics and I think the main reason its not the big talk around TL anymore is because all the top foreign players switched games. They were the pillars besides Korean scene for BW and when they switched people did with them and new people hopped on board because a new awesome game had come out. But saying graphics is the main reason is ridiculous, most players I watch play even SC2 on all low without all the fancy stuff.
Well, tbh only one guy said something about graphics and he didn´t say that that made BW less of a game, but lets accept it most people(casual viewers, which sadly are the majority not that its bad to be a casual viewer-player) love their eye candy.
Anyways, haha this is a pretty conflicting issue for me. And lets remember that it is only a rumour atm,so I am not really going to discuss this anymore. And I know this will be turning into some emotional flamefest because we have people on the BW and SC2 camp that are too passionate about what they think haha
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On July 08 2011 15:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff. And by retire you mean transition into SC2 and clean house? This could be a great opportunity for some players.
I hope KeSPa can run both scenes at the same time because that would be truly amazing
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On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well.
What? Do you have any idea about the depth bw has developed over the past 10 years? People will still watch it despite the lack of visual appeal. This is especially in Korea.
Running 2 leagues would be interesting but I hope it doesn't happen anytime soon
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On July 08 2011 15:03 Megaliskuu wrote: I'd be really really really sad if BW died, but It'd be awesome to see all the REAL BW pros raping everyone in the scene.
Also LOL at blizz doing this behind GOM's back.
Why would you want to tell some other company your negotiations before they are even final? That' just a waste of time.
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