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NOTE: This is my first translation to English from Korean and is no way reflects my opinion on this. Please don't eat me alive like last time.
It has been reported that Kespa is planning to abandon its 10-year old eSports game, Brood War, and adopt SC2 as part of their approved games.
On July 7th, according to related correspondence, Kespa representatives and its sponsors' representatives (SKTelecom, Samsung, etc.) were invited by Blizzard Entertainment in Irvine, California.
For now, both sides are denying this rumor. However, detailed visiting dates and names of the people involved were in the rumor, so this rumor may actually be credible.
the significance of this event shows that Blizzard is genuinely willing to cooperate with Kespa despite their past conflicts. Not exactly making Kespa to completely switch over to SC2, but more likely asking their input on the HOTS expansion with pro-gaming perspective.
Anyways, this shows that the relationship between the two has improved dramatically. On July 6th's press conference, Kim Joon Ho, the current Kespa president spoke, "Blizzard's goal is to expand their Asian market, and we believe that we can help Blizzard with our experiences with running BW leagues."
The problem is if Kespa switches to pro-SC2, GomTV may be in trouble when Blizzard endorses a Kespa-owned SC2 league. As it turns out, GomTV did not know about this secret meeting. A GomTV representative said, "We found out about this later, No comment."
Source: http://www.clubcity.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=82629
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Oh my! I sure hope this does not affect GOM nor Broodwar much....
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Sucks if it is true but it was going to happen eventually.
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Woah, what! Holy moly! O_O
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NOTE: This is my first translation to English from Korean and is no way reflects my opinion on this. Please don't eat me alive like last time.
lol,its ok.
KeSPA is not switching to SC2,its adding it under it its belt.they have enough money and power to run both scenes.
this is assuming the rumor is true.
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if this happens... that means foreigners cannot participate in the GSL anymore?
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Interesting, the idea of more StarCraft II leagues in Korea is good!
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I'm telling you guys, something big is on the horizon! :D
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Interesting to see how this will turn out.
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this could be really good or really bad. tons of old bw players hate kespa and hope it dies in hell. Some love the games it allowed us to watch because of it
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GomTV has been far too useful of a partner in Korea to be abandoned. It's likely some sort of reintegration will occur.
AWESOME NEWS HOWEVER.
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i see nothing wrong with having 2 proSC2 leagues in Korea, assuming Blizzard allows it. That just means more competition, higher prizes from both leagues to lure players over, and lots of fun(twice as much, actually!)
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Why would they have to abandon BW? How could their relationship have improved dramatically when that was the main sticking point?
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What about the 2 year exclusive agreement Blizzard and Gretech hold?
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On July 08 2011 14:40 HydraLF wrote: What about the 2 year exclusive agreement Blizzard and Gretech hold?
The article is talking about the scenario when the exclusive agreement expires.
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is the abandon comment part of the source or is that your words?
Edit: Oh, I see. You should probably make that more clear or people probably will jump on you. Just add like "When Brood War's license expires, Kespa plans to" X - if that's true.
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On July 08 2011 14:41 dcemuser wrote: is the abandon comment part of the source or is that your words?
It's the source. I double checked. ;_;
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Huge news. Is this good or bad? Abandoning Broodwar sounds pretty silly imo. I would be very disappointed.
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I highly doubt Kespa would abandon BW, thats just sensationalist nonsense. They might be interesting in starting an sc2 tournament series however. Anyway Gom has exclusive broadcast rights for a while still, I doubt blizzard would break its own contract without goms approval. If they could get kespa to broadcast the GSL on their TV network in exchange for a cut or something it could work well for all parties.
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On July 08 2011 14:41 dcemuser wrote: is the abandon comment part of the source or is that your words?
The source says "change vehicles" (implied)/transition. So yes it can mean abandon.
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Somehow this is hard to believe. Why would Blizzard do this behind GomTVs back? And why should Kespa quit BW for SC2, that would be the stupidest thing they could do. Maybe running both, but switching would be a huge risk since they would give up something that still runs good and that they built up for 10 years for something different that doesnt do very well in Korea and still has a uncertain future longterm.
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Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well.
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If anything the transition from BW to SC2 will have to be a slow one. I don't see Kespa just abandoning the BW market so abruptly. Plus BW still has big names like Flash/Jaedong/Bisu. Maybe if they were to retire then the process could be accelerated.
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Blizzard knows that SC2 can't succeed to the degree that Broodwar did in Korea without KeSPA's support. SC2 in Korea has been stagnant for quite some time, and is still much smaller than Broodwar due to the lack of KeSPA support.
If Blizzard seriously wants to convert Korea, they need to swallow their pride and give KeSPA more of what they wanted then they were willing to a year ago, and it wouldn't surprise me if they're doing it. Settling the Broodwar licensing issue was the first step towards SC2 negotiations.
If they can convince KeSPA to start an SC2 league in parallel to Broodwar, and start transitioning their Broodwar stars over to it, then they may be able to stike lightning twice. I don't see SC2 becoming as big as Broodwar any other way. They could accept GSL into the fold and make it into a 3rd major beside OSL2 and MSL2.
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On July 08 2011 14:43 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:41 dcemuser wrote: is the abandon comment part of the source or is that your words? The source says "change vehicles" (implied)/transition. So yes it can mean abandon.
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if this happens now we can see Flash dominating sc2 scene soon. too bad no more broodwar. tsk3
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KeSPA abandoning BW equals worst move EVER
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On July 08 2011 14:45 altered wrote: Somehow this is hard to believe. Why would Blizzard do this behind GomTVs back?
Because, GomTV is certainly less adept at running professional gaming leagues, unlike Kespa with their 10+ years of experience running gaming leagues.
Kespa nowadays is also focusing on other games, and reducing their BW coverage bit by bit. (No pun intended)
That Tekken tourney which Kespa is hosting is running pretty well. I believe its called "Tekken Crash."
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If abandon BW over time is what this means I don't dig this whole thing at all and I'm a sad rainbow sheep just like Blind-Rawr.
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On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well.
..........................
I...
just don't know what to say.
Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that.
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SKT1 Slayers. KT MVP. Samsung Incredible Miracle.
Oh I can't wait. :p
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is the exclusive rights of sc2 with gomtv almost over? has it been one year? does the rights pertain to only WoL and not HoTS?
just wondering, it would be awkward for gomtv if kespa had another GSL
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Oh god, I hope sc2 in Korea won't become what Broodwar is... <.< Kespa's rule are far to constricting and arrogant.
"Oh, you don't want to play broodwar anymore? Guess then we have to retire you as professional gamer!" As if Boxer is not a professional gamer right now.
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I'm a little worried that KEsPA will be less inclined to help the foreigner scene in Korea develop... I'm unsure of how KEsPA supported the forigner scene during BW...
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On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well.
According to the SCBW community that's impossible. I proposed that this might be an option in the near future and everyone called me a troll and the thread was locked up because of it.
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On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that.
It's pretty much the standpoint of 99% of everyone outside of Korea. Face it, there are very few foreign fans of BW left. Technology and graphics kinda go hand in hand, and if Brood War had SC2 graphics, it'd be just as popular, so I'd say graphics has a huge implication.
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On July 08 2011 14:50 LeFroMaGe wrote: I'm a little worried that KEsPA will be less inclined to help the foreigner scene in Korea develop... I'm unsure of how KEsPA supported the forigner scene during BW...
There was no foreigner scene for them to support. Maybe 5000 guys on TeamLiquid, certainly not enough to even break even on hiring an English caster. SC2 is a different story, there is actually a foreigner market large enough to potentially make money on eventually.
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On July 08 2011 14:51 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. It's pretty much the standpoint of 99% of everyone outside of Korea. Face it, there are very few foreign fans of BW left. Technology and graphics kinda go hand in hand, and if Brood War had SC2 graphics, it'd be just as popular, so I'd say graphics has a huge implication. That is so sad to hear...but kind of true. :/
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On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that.
Well, let's see...
-I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter.
Well?
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On July 08 2011 14:51 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. It's pretty much the standpoint of 99% of everyone outside of Korea. Face it, there are very few foreign fans of BW left. Technology and graphics kinda go hand in hand, and if Brood War had SC2 graphics, it'd be just as popular, so I'd say graphics has a huge implication.
eh... I dont agree that BW should be abandoned, and I'm a huge SC2 fan outside of korea. Im sure there are plenty of people who do not want bw to be abandoned. maybe one day it will phase out, but it needn't be this year or the next.
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On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well?
Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased.
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Seems unlikely, and even if it is true do not want. There's certainly no reason to abandon BW, and SC2 has enough events as it is.
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i dont see how this can work if you need a progaming license to play sc2. what GSL has is working. its just a korean stigma holding back sc2 from being bigger than it could be in korea
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On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that.
He did not make a mistake, what he says is true. Sadly enough.
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This is pretty interesting. Would definitely not like to see BW completely dropped, and neither do I think it will be, but if SC2 is getting tempting to Kespa, can't see too many bad things happening in it's future.
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On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that.
Lets be honest BW hasn´t been doign so great as it did in the past. I still hope this rumour means a parallel SC2 league(but I don´t really want GOM to be screwed) and not total death of the BW leagues.
To me the ideal outcome would be a Kespa SC2 league parallel to the BW leagues and a GOMtv league competing for it.
Assuming this is true and if they decide for a similar format as in BW it means that foreigners now will really have a much harder time to play in Korea.
I am really conflicted about this rumour. I only want the best for both scenes ;_;
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HOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY SHIT !!!!!!!!
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time for brood war to slowly fade out
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On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased.
Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now.
You should know better than I do regarding that.
스꼴 vs 스투충???
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This would be a bad move for the SC2 foreign community that primarily follows the GSL. The way Gom caters to English speakers is amazing and it would be terrible to lose that.
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Unless BW viewership in Korea is declining rapidly, I don't see why Kespa would even consider doing this.
Plus, the logistics involved are substantial for a full switch from BW to SC2. What will the current BW teams do? What about the existing SC2 team association (the SC2 Kespa "equivalent"). There are already several "top tier" SC2 teams - would BW teams start merging with SC2 teams, and will sponsors of BW teams start demanding name changes for such merged teams (e.g. Slayers -> SKT1, as unlikely as that is, considering the Intel sponsorship).
And how would GOM figure into this? The relationships between Kespa, GOM, SC2 team assocation, MBCGame, OGN, and Blizzard is going to be...interesting to say the least.
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What would this mean for the anibox channel that has broadcasting rights for GSL?
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On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충???
My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :|
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This is horrible, I could never support this. If BW is to finish then let it finish because it doesn't have popularity anymore, not for any other reason.
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On July 08 2011 14:48 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:45 altered wrote: Somehow this is hard to believe. Why would Blizzard do this behind GomTVs back?
Because, GomTV is certainly less adept at running professional gaming leagues, unlike Kespa with their 10+ years of experience running gaming leagues. Kespa nowadays is also focusing on other games, and reducing their BW coverage bit by bit. (No pun intended) That Tekken tourney which Kespa is hosting is running pretty well. I believe its called "Tekken Crash."
Im not arguing that Kespa would do their job better at running a SC2 league. I just dont thinkBlizzard would do this behind the back of Gom, why should they? If Blizz wanted to give Kespa a licence they could do it if Gom knows about it or not, and Blizz would only piss off Gom (even more) with such a move wich isnt in their interest either. There is no reason why tere shouldnt be multiple Korean leagues like in BW (MSL OSL + Gom classic), like there are multiple leagues in the USA (NASL, IPL, MLG).
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Its bound to happen sooner or later. We live in a world where everything goes old very fast. Ah well can't do anything about it I'll still play BW for fun
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uh i sure hope they dont switch. i mean why would they in the first place broodwar is still much more popular in korea.
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On July 08 2011 14:51 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. It's pretty much the standpoint of 99% of everyone outside of Korea. Face it, there are very few foreign fans of BW left. Technology and graphics kinda go hand in hand, and if Brood War had SC2 graphics, it'd be just as popular, so I'd say graphics has a huge implication. Well we are talking about Korea now aren't we? I don't even know what your point is anyway.
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On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :|
They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways.
Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now.
Many GomTV staffs browse their forums.
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On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well?
Well I disagree o.o I think that's evident?
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People saying that BW should phase out because of graphics aren't true SC believers imo and when SC3 comes out they will be the ones saying "SC2 is shit because they don't have the new shader effects" lol. Comon now you can't ever speak for the entire BW foreign community or Korean BW community just because you browse some forums man, not every single fan posts there just like not all fans post on here.
BW is a beautiful game that requires insanely good mechanics and I think the main reason its not the big talk around TL anymore is because all the top foreign players switched games. They were the pillars besides Korean scene for BW and when they switched people did with them and new people hopped on board because a new awesome game had come out. But saying graphics is the main reason is ridiculous, most players I watch play even SC2 on all low without all the fancy stuff.
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if this means less brood war, then i am disappoint. brood war is still a much better game than sc2.
if this means more sc2, then i am happy. sc2 is very entertaining to watch.
so can anyone clarify the implications of this partnership?
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Wow, an interesting development - very interested to see how this goes. In particular, if a switch occurs I wonder how the sponsors will play it out.
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On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums.
Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community.
what's your point?
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Nooo... don't don't do this to me. I mean I'm happy and all but still. Why abandon BW now? It's still.. it's still...
T_____T.
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it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks
I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience
Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff.
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What would be interesting though is if this situation turns into a GOM vs Kespa WoL vs HotS situation. I don't know how that would play out at all, or where that leaves the players...
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I'd be really really really sad if BW died, but It'd be awesome to see all the REAL BW pros raping everyone in the scene.
Also LOL at blizz doing this behind GOM's back.
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On July 08 2011 15:01 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Well I disagree o.o I think that's evident?
Well I thought you were questioning my credibility?
Let's leave it at that.
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On July 08 2011 14:58 Dakkas wrote: This is horrible, I could never support this. If BW is to finish then let it finish because it doesn't have popularity anymore, not for any other reason.
Well, lets be honest again. If this were true if KESPA is actually considering this then it would mean they are not really considering BW popular enough to keep the leagues running.Blizzard is big, but I doubt they have enough money to pay off KESPA or something.
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On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point?
Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly.
The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained.
And DES is extremely anti-SC2.
FFS, they are calling GSL an event league.
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On July 08 2011 15:05 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point? Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly. The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained. And DES is extremely anti-SC2. FFS, they are calling GSL an event league.
Most of their live audience at the studio are foreigners lol.
And milkis point is that you're getting your viewpoint from the sc2 community, so of course they are going to think sc2 is better lol.
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On July 08 2011 15:06 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:05 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point? Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly. The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained. And DES is extremely anti-SC2. FFS, they are calling GSL an event league. Most of their live audience at the studio are foreigners lol.
Did you take a look at the GOM studio recently?
I saw quite alot of Koreans at GSTL.
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The only reason i can see why KESPA would do that, is because they see the worldwide attention Sc2 gets. Maybe they realized what opporunity they wasted for bw, and that they are completely isolated now. Still, if bw should die, i would be sad for months, because for me, sc2 the game itself, is clearly inferior by a huge margin.
And personally i like the way GOM handels everything, i would be so sad if they weren't the main anchor for sc2 in korea.
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On July 08 2011 15:05 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point? Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly. The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained. And DES is extremely anti-SC2. FFS, they are calling GSL an event league.
THey called GSL an event league ages ago (when boxer retired), why still bitter about it? and yes it's common knowledge that DES has been anti sc2. Note how i talked about fomos and not des...
Fomos is very harsh on KeSPA and has been very pro blizzard in the past. one of their writers even went to Blizzard HQ for HOTS preview.
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On July 08 2011 15:01 RaLakedaimon wrote: People saying that BW should phase out because of graphics aren't true SC believers imo and when SC3 comes out they will be the ones saying "SC2 is shit because they don't have the new shader effects" lol. Comon now you can't ever speak for the entire BW foreign community or Korean BW community just because you browse some forums man, not every single fan posts there just like not all fans post on here.
BW is a beautiful game that requires insanely good mechanics and I think the main reason its not the big talk around TL anymore is because all the top foreign players switched games. They were the pillars besides Korean scene for BW and when they switched people did with them and new people hopped on board because a new awesome game had come out. But saying graphics is the main reason is ridiculous, most players I watch play even SC2 on all low without all the fancy stuff.
Well, tbh only one guy said something about graphics and he didn´t say that that made BW less of a game, but lets accept it most people(casual viewers, which sadly are the majority not that its bad to be a casual viewer-player) love their eye candy.
Anyways, haha this is a pretty conflicting issue for me. And lets remember that it is only a rumour atm,so I am not really going to discuss this anymore. And I know this will be turning into some emotional flamefest because we have people on the BW and SC2 camp that are too passionate about what they think haha
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On July 08 2011 15:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff. And by retire you mean transition into SC2 and clean house? This could be a great opportunity for some players.
I hope KeSPa can run both scenes at the same time because that would be truly amazing
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On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well.
What? Do you have any idea about the depth bw has developed over the past 10 years? People will still watch it despite the lack of visual appeal. This is especially in Korea.
Running 2 leagues would be interesting but I hope it doesn't happen anytime soon
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On July 08 2011 15:03 Megaliskuu wrote: I'd be really really really sad if BW died, but It'd be awesome to see all the REAL BW pros raping everyone in the scene.
Also LOL at blizz doing this behind GOM's back.
Why would you want to tell some other company your negotiations before they are even final? That' just a waste of time.
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On July 08 2011 15:01 RaLakedaimon wrote: People saying that BW should phase out because of graphics aren't true SC believers imo and when SC3 comes out they will be the ones saying "SC2 is shit because they don't have the new shader effects" lol. Comon now you can't ever speak for the entire BW foreign community or Korean BW community just because you browse some forums man, not every single fan posts there just like not all fans post on here.
BW is a beautiful game that requires insanely good mechanics and I think the main reason its not the big talk around TL anymore is because all the top foreign players switched games. They were the pillars besides Korean scene for BW and when they switched people did with them and new people hopped on board because a new awesome game had come out. But saying graphics is the main reason is ridiculous, most players I watch play even SC2 on all low without all the fancy stuff.
Yeah, but then again SC2 requires less mechanics and anybody can play it in gold league and can have quite an easy understanding of the game, so that basically drops the skill ceiling allowing more gamers become professional and it adds to the enjoyment + profit of the new lucrative SC2 ESPORTS (cuz ESPORTS is only ESPO without RTS) market. I do believe that KeSpa will eventually transition out of broodwar once the last bonjwas have left the game (JD, Flash, Bisu) and nobody can fill in their spots because there is not too much new tallent coming through the gates of Courage (tournament), and really i believe its only a matter of time (i HOPE 3-5 years, i love BW myself) that KeSpa will drop SC:BW completely in either SC2 or another game's favor.
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On July 08 2011 15:08 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:05 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point? Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly. The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained. And DES is extremely anti-SC2. FFS, they are calling GSL an event league. THey called GSL an event league ages ago (when boxer retired), why still bitter about it? and yes it's common knowledge that DES has been anti sc2. Note how i talked about fomos and not des... Fomos is very harsh on KeSPA and has been very pro blizzard in the past. one of their writers even went to Blizzard HQ for HOTS preview. =/
Well I still stand on the fact that Fomos isn't really credible.
Let's leave it at that.
This is getting real ugly.
I prefer TIG, btw. :/
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On July 08 2011 14:55 Blackrobe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. He did not make a mistake, what he says is true. Sadly enough.
Yep. The foreign market looks very juicy. His opinion about visual appeal is off though. I didn't play BW for most of my teenage years because of graphics, and I'm sure 99% of others didn't either.
Still, as long as there is money from sponsors, BW will keep going.
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On July 08 2011 15:10 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff. And by retire you mean transition into SC2 and clean house? This could be a great opportunity for some players. I hope KeSPa can run both scenes at the same time because that would be truly amazing
Yes I do
"retire from sc1"***
I can't wait to see Stork go mass carriers lol. Or may be mass colossi would be his new thing.
And that would be really sick, though I think it would still be hard to grow the SC2 scene, unless I underestimate Kespa's advertising/influence :D
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On July 08 2011 15:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:10 bkrow wrote:On July 08 2011 15:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff. And by retire you mean transition into SC2 and clean house? This could be a great opportunity for some players. I hope KeSPa can run both scenes at the same time because that would be truly amazing Yes I do "retire from sc1"*** I can't wait to see Stork go mass carriers lol. Or may be mass colossi would be his new thing. And that would be really sick, though I think it would still be hard to grow the SC2 scene, unless I underestimate Kespa's advertising/influence :D
If they get SC2 on OGN/MBC its gg.
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JiPrime cmon. You sound about as unbiased as superdanielman. Practice your reading comprehension.
Read the part of milkis' post that comes after "My point is", and realize that none of your responses to his posts have anything to do with his point.
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On July 08 2011 15:11 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:08 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:05 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote: [quote]
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I...
just don't know what to say.
Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that.
Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point? Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly. The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained. And DES is extremely anti-SC2. FFS, they are calling GSL an event league. THey called GSL an event league ages ago (when boxer retired), why still bitter about it? and yes it's common knowledge that DES has been anti sc2. Note how i talked about fomos and not des... Fomos is very harsh on KeSPA and has been very pro blizzard in the past. one of their writers even went to Blizzard HQ for HOTS preview. =/ Well I still stand on the fact that Fomos isn't really credible. Let's leave it at that. This is getting real ugly. I prefer TIG, btw. :/
Since when has Fomos not been credible?
And TIG and Fomos are completely different so why are you comparing?
I think your opinions are malformed since you only read stuff from one source. just saying :[
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The best solution would be Blizzard will update BW with better graphics and call it SCBW:2013 and continue the BW scene in Korea.
SC2 is getting better and better with 2 more expansion to go, but BW gameplay is still much more fun to watch...
Hey I can only dream rite?..
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The exclusive broadcast agreement between GomTV and Blizzard was signed when? May of last year? Any massive changeover is still 10 months to a year away, but this will make following news in the upcoming offseason even more nerve wracking for all of us that hope to see BW continue to coexist with BW for longer than that.
I don't see KeSPA dropping BW that soon personally so I don't see any reason to worry yet.
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On July 08 2011 15:13 Sayer wrote: The best solution would be Blizzard will update BW with better graphics and call it SCBW:2013 and continue the BW scene in Korea.
SC2 is getting better and better with 2 more expansion to go, but BW gameplay is still much more fun to watch...
Hey I can only dream rite?..
I actually like BW's graphics. Granted the engine does have some limits but all those pixels have really grown on me
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It has been reported that Kespa is planning to abandon its 10-year old eSports game, Brood War, and adopt SC2 as part of their approved games.
Ruh roh, I would seriously cry for a while if this happened, BW and SC2 can live together!! There's no need to get rid of BW, what about all of the players?! More importantly, what about ACE ?!??
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On July 08 2011 15:13 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 15:10 bkrow wrote:On July 08 2011 15:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff. And by retire you mean transition into SC2 and clean house? This could be a great opportunity for some players. I hope KeSPa can run both scenes at the same time because that would be truly amazing Yes I do "retire from sc1"*** I can't wait to see Stork go mass carriers lol. Or may be mass colossi would be his new thing. And that would be really sick, though I think it would still be hard to grow the SC2 scene, unless I underestimate Kespa's advertising/influence :D If they get SC2 on OGN/MBC its gg.
We'll see how they do when they are broadcasting SC2 WCG matches.
But from my sources, both stations are ill equipped to broadcast anything in genuine high quality HD.
It's gonna be painful to watch SC2 in 320p. X(
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If this does happen, either there will be a need for new teams with all the BW talent switching over, or a lot of SC2 players are gonna be pushed by the wayside by the BW talent rolling in.
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Can we please drop the SC2 vs BW discussion? Superior graphics, superior game, etc... it's all bullshit.
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Not sure if good or bad news... I don't they'd abandon BW.
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On July 08 2011 15:14 a9arnn wrote:Show nested quote +It has been reported that Kespa is planning to abandon its 10-year old eSports game, Brood War, and adopt SC2 as part of their approved games. Ruh roh, I would seriously cry for a while if this happened, BW and SC2 can live together!! There's no need to get rid of BW, what about all of the players?! More importantly, what about ACE ?!??
I agree. I pray they don't get rid of broodwar. I love watching it along with sc2. If they get rid of bw i will be very sad :/.
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Maybe Kespa will gain a lot of money from an SC2 league, and will then inject it into the BW league :p
I don't know a ton as I'm a relative new-comer to the scene, but I can dream, right?
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On July 08 2011 15:17 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:14 a9arnn wrote:It has been reported that Kespa is planning to abandon its 10-year old eSports game, Brood War, and adopt SC2 as part of their approved games. Ruh roh, I would seriously cry for a while if this happened, BW and SC2 can live together!! There's no need to get rid of BW, what about all of the players?! More importantly, what about ACE ?!?? I agree. I pray they don't get rid of broodwar. I love watching it along with sc2. If they get rid of bw i will be very sad :/.
At the very least, I hope Kespa gives a good goodbye to BW when the time arrives...
Like how they did with Yellow.
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This seems like a great opportunity. However, only time will tell since GOM and Blizzard have a licensing agreement for the next 10-11 months I believe.
My question is this though. What does this mean for the foreign community and progamers? Would they need to get a license to compete like Kespa requires now? I know it's just speculation, but I think it's a fair question.
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I feel very selfish when I say I hope they get rid of BW. I didn't grow up with it like the rest of you did, but I completely understand how amazing of a game it is and how incredible JD, Flash, Bisu, Stork, etc. are. So I take my selfishness and hope that they switch so we can see complete domination in Sc2.
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this could be interesting
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On July 08 2011 14:35 JiPrime wrote: but more likely asking their input on the HOTS expansion with pro-gaming perspective
hopefully thatll make sc2 more interesting to watch. The game just isnt good enough to be a real esport the way it is now. Hopefully kespa can knock some sense into browder
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I dont get the exciment of bw gosus switching to sc2. Its like Kasparov switching to tic tac toe.
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On July 08 2011 15:20 McKTenor13 wrote: So I take my selfishness and hope that they switch so we can see complete domination in Sc2.
Yup >
On July 08 2011 15:21 Vestige wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:35 JiPrime wrote: but more likely asking their input on the HOTS expansion with pro-gaming perspective
hopefully thatll make sc2 more interesting to watch. The game just isnt good enough to be a real esport the way it is now. Hopefully kespa can knock some sense into browder
If thousands of players couldn't do it, i dun think kespa can . Blizz does only what it wants.
On July 08 2011 15:24 mdb wrote: I dont get the exciment of bw gosus switching to sc2. Its like Kasparov switching to tic tac toe.
They'll show everyone how its done.
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So also, yeah, there is an agreement for GOM, but every contract also has a buy-out or some way to nullify it if there is enough money. Even if not, it could just be about the future of when that contract runs out. I just hope that GOM does not get smashed in the future with whatever happens. They have been pretty good for SC2 so far and produced quality streams and events, other than finals of course. =)
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There's no chance of them just suddenly abandoning Brood War. The public backlash would be ridiculous.
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Isn't BW slowly dying, even in Korea? It's a far cry from the heights of popularity it used to have. I could see KeSPA running concurrent SC2 leagues to try to give ESPORTS a shot in the arm; what it means for players' living conditions is the only thing I have against this move. KeSPA treated progamers like slaves.
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its a matter of time Ofc sponsors will want a bigger market and viewers SC2's growth in Foreign scene and Korea can't be ignored for too long.
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Well I'd certainty prefer if just exclusivity is not brought up again when it comes time to renew licenses cause I freaking love the GSL and they've been talking to the foreign community way more than I'd ever expect KeSPA to. I would not mind multiple leagues in Korea but I sincerely hope it doesn't become another GOM vs KeSPA battle when bigger corporate sponsors get their feet wet. Though I'm not even sure KeSPA would win this time if players have any ounce of loyalty, GOM has a head start.
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i hope they dont make stupid rules!
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On July 08 2011 15:10 LanTAs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:01 RaLakedaimon wrote: People saying that BW should phase out because of graphics aren't true SC believers imo and when SC3 comes out they will be the ones saying "SC2 is shit because they don't have the new shader effects" lol. Comon now you can't ever speak for the entire BW foreign community or Korean BW community just because you browse some forums man, not every single fan posts there just like not all fans post on here.
BW is a beautiful game that requires insanely good mechanics and I think the main reason its not the big talk around TL anymore is because all the top foreign players switched games. They were the pillars besides Korean scene for BW and when they switched people did with them and new people hopped on board because a new awesome game had come out. But saying graphics is the main reason is ridiculous, most players I watch play even SC2 on all low without all the fancy stuff. Yeah, but then again SC2 requires less mechanics and anybody can play it in gold league and can have quite an easy understanding of the game, so that basically drops the skill ceiling allowing more gamers become professional and it adds to the enjoyment + profit of the new lucrative SC2 ESPORTS (cuz ESPORTS is only ESPO without RTS) market. I do believe that KeSpa will eventually transition out of broodwar once the last bonjwas have left the game (JD, Flash, Bisu) and nobody can fill in their spots because there is not too much new tallent coming through the gates of Courage (tournament), and really i believe its only a matter of time (i HOPE 3-5 years, i love BW myself) that KeSpa will drop SC:BW completely in either SC2 or another game's favor.
I dont share your oppinion in many aspects. And some of your statements are simply false.
First: the skillcap of a game has nothing to do with the ammount of pros there are, or how easy it is to become pro. The only thing that matters here is how many viewers a game (esport) has. More viewers means more sponsors means more money in the scene means more spots for progamers. If a game is "easy" its easy for everyone, so becoming a progamer is harder in the "easy" game because the good players have less opportunity to differentiate themselves from the bad ones.
Second: i dont understand what you want so say with this part of the sentence: "anybody can play it in gold league and can have quite an easy understanding of the game". Do you really think that every gold league player (or any) has a good understanding of the game? Or that he could become pro? If so i strongly disagree.
And Bisu is certaintly not a Bonjwa. (and probably neither Jaedong)
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BW is still going strong, and I'd be depressed for years if BW was dropped. IMO, BW is a superior game and the entertainment it gives if far more superior than SC2. If SC2 got to this level, I perhaps wouldn't mind BW slowly fading away but I would be sad to see BW go when it's obviously the better game to play and watch.
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To those questioning how sponsors would feel about transitioning from SC1 to SC2, do you really think that the potential return in sc1 is bigger than sc2 at the moment and in the foreseeable future? TBH, I dont know why a sponsor would ever have any problem with transitioning their money into the largest growing e-sport game in the world at the moment.
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This 100% sounds like some KeSPA rumor-mongering. Why would Blizz have to "secretly" meet with KeSPA, and especially with the chance of ruining the relationship with GOM by keeping it secret.
I just hope I'm right, I remember KeSPA form BW, no thanks slave trade totally exclusive system.
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Well, with the lawsuits settled, that KeSPA would suddenly be interested in SC2 isn't surprising. They still want to exist (they're a government approved association of sponsors, correct?) and function after BW slowly falls off.
That being said, from the stuff I've read (and I've only been around TL since SC2 started), KeSPA is regarded as somewhere between Satan & Adolf Hitler by retired progamers. I imagine KeSPA isn't going to get as much power over the scene due to the original organizing nature of the Korean SC2 teams. This might actually work out better than expected for everyone, but we'll just have to see.
I wonder if KeSPA would do more MLG-like LAN stuff at first? They already run Courage, so they've got the experience running daily LANs.
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On July 08 2011 15:30 Kalent wrote: BW is still going strong, and I'd be depressed for years if BW was dropped. IMO, BW is a superior game and the entertainment it gives if far more superior than SC2. If SC2 got to this level, I perhaps wouldn't mind BW slowly fading away but I would be sad to see BW go when it's obviously in my opinion the better game to play and watch.
Anyway hopefully they can co exist, and it would be good to have multiple sc2 leagues in Korea.
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On July 08 2011 15:15 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:13 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 15:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 15:10 bkrow wrote:On July 08 2011 15:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff. And by retire you mean transition into SC2 and clean house? This could be a great opportunity for some players. I hope KeSPa can run both scenes at the same time because that would be truly amazing Yes I do "retire from sc1"*** I can't wait to see Stork go mass carriers lol. Or may be mass colossi would be his new thing. And that would be really sick, though I think it would still be hard to grow the SC2 scene, unless I underestimate Kespa's advertising/influence :D If they get SC2 on OGN/MBC its gg. It's gonna be painful to watch SC2 in 320p. X(
This is sorta sad. What's wrong with watching a game with worse graphics? I'd watch BW in 240p through a cell phone.
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On July 08 2011 15:33 XXGeneration wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:15 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 15:13 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 15:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 15:10 bkrow wrote:On July 08 2011 15:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff. And by retire you mean transition into SC2 and clean house? This could be a great opportunity for some players. I hope KeSPa can run both scenes at the same time because that would be truly amazing Yes I do "retire from sc1"*** I can't wait to see Stork go mass carriers lol. Or may be mass colossi would be his new thing. And that would be really sick, though I think it would still be hard to grow the SC2 scene, unless I underestimate Kespa's advertising/influence :D If they get SC2 on OGN/MBC its gg. It's gonna be painful to watch SC2 in 320p. X( This is sorta sad. What's wrong with watching a game with worse graphics? I'd watch BW in 240p through a cell phone.
Well that's no better than seeing star 2 on gomtv free stream.
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On July 08 2011 15:32 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:30 Kalent wrote: BW is still going strong, and I'd be depressed for years if BW was dropped. IMO, BW is a superior game and the entertainment it gives if far more superior than SC2. If SC2 got to this level, I perhaps wouldn't mind BW slowly fading away but I would be sad to see BW go when it's obviously in my opinion the better game to play and watch. Anyway hopefully they can co exist, and it would be good to have multiple sc2 leagues in Korea.
It'd be nice for them to co-exist for a while (5-6 years). By 5 years, I'm sure SC2 will have developed into a fine game....
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I think that this is great news !
The only way to make SC2 legit.
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GOM has done so much for sc2 hope they don't get left behind
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This would be huge! I'm not sure that the current popularity for BW is diminishing in Korea. I also wonder what Gomtv would have to say about this Sc2-Switch over, but even this rumor excites me.
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Make new league with both games. Bo5 game 1 SC2 game 2 BW.
ez
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I can watch Fantasy play Sc2? sign me up!
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On July 08 2011 15:37 johanngrunt wrote: I can watch Fantasy play Sc2? sign me up!
Terran in sc2 is bio-heavy He wouldn't get into masters
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I seriously doubt they'll abandon all the infrastructure, teams, players and leagues they have for BW right away though.
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On July 08 2011 15:33 XXGeneration wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:15 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 15:13 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 15:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 15:10 bkrow wrote:On July 08 2011 15:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff. And by retire you mean transition into SC2 and clean house? This could be a great opportunity for some players. I hope KeSPa can run both scenes at the same time because that would be truly amazing Yes I do "retire from sc1"*** I can't wait to see Stork go mass carriers lol. Or may be mass colossi would be his new thing. And that would be really sick, though I think it would still be hard to grow the SC2 scene, unless I underestimate Kespa's advertising/influence :D If they get SC2 on OGN/MBC its gg. It's gonna be painful to watch SC2 in 320p. X( This is sorta sad. What's wrong with watching a game with worse graphics? I'd watch BW in 240p through a cell phone.
I did NOT buy my new Samsung LED HD TV to watch SC2 in 320p! X(
But I guess that's just me...
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I love sc2, but i don't want to see bw die. I hope it's just a rumour. If Kespa can run both Sc2 and bw, it will be amazing, but keep bw alive please!
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On July 08 2011 15:36 Veclada wrote: GOM has done so much for sc2 hope they don't get left behind
Yes, but there is no professionalism in it. That's why it the sponsors like Samsung and Telecom will ONLY come with Kespa, which i think is a good idea.
I don't see Kespa as all that Evil like most of you guys lol.
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On July 08 2011 15:13 p4NDemik wrote: The exclusive broadcast agreement between GomTV and Blizzard was signed when? May of last year? Any massive changeover is still 10 months to a year away, but this will make following news in the upcoming offseason even more nerve wracking for all of us that hope to see BW continue to coexist with BW for longer than that.
I don't see KeSPA dropping BW that soon personally so I don't see any reason to worry yet.
That was my first thought when I saw this thread. The exclusive agreement is with GomTV so any change to that is far down the line. Companies talk about future prospects (and rumors get started), in many cases, far ahead of the actual deal. This way, it is understood what both parties want prior to when any changes could be made. Don't really see the current state of things changing except maybe some of the lesser-paid brood war pro-gamers coming over to SC2 at a slow pace.
EDIT:Spelling
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On July 08 2011 15:37 johanngrunt wrote: I can watch Fantasy play Sc2? sign me up!
Considering bio is core in every match-up in SC2 and Fantasy couldn't use bio to save his life, why would you want to see him humiliate himself?
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This is exciting, but I doubt BW will get dropped. It is obviously way more popular than SC2 in Korea right now.
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If Kespa did start broadcasting sc2, I would hope there would be able to be two leagues going on. I would be sad if BW died out completely, and if that meant that the top BW players switch to sc2, then the foreigners really would have no chance, sadly. Especially if the top bw (turned sc2 players) started competing in foreign tournaments like we are having right now.
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On July 08 2011 15:39 Elefanto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:37 johanngrunt wrote: I can watch Fantasy play Sc2? sign me up! Terran in sc2 is bio-heavy He wouldn't get into masters
oov will conjure up another imba build order for Fantasy that will have the whole SC2 community crying out OP! (Like they do now)
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Shit man, I love both games but BW is just plain more exciting and the many Korean spectators that don't even play the game would likely reject SC2 entirely. Unless it was changed massively in HOTS.
I don't expect them to switch; just add Star2, if they do at all.
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This is crazy and would be amazing for Starcraft's evolution as a brand. The fact that Blizzard are putting behind their past differences with Kespa is an astounding thing and it really shows how serious they are about furthering the game as an esport.
Don't think this is an 'abandonment' of BW, every game has it's cycle and old classics such as SC:BW, CS 1.6 and Quake Live are slowly being ushered out, Of course it's sad to see such amazing games being moved on but when a plan is being put forward for the improvement of a more current game its quite clear which option is the more attractive one.
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Blizzard's incompetent attempt to kill SC BW has actually protected it from SC2.
Once SC2 and SC BW compete directly on a level playing field, that may be the end of SC BW. So let's hope Blizzard changes their mind. But I doubt they will because it seems they realized their own incompetence and changed strategy. Good for esports, probably bad for SC BW.
Sadly, SC BW won't last forever. I don't think in 5 years SC BW will be able to outcompete SC2 when it has a mature scene just like SC BW has right now.
What was holding SC2 back is that it wasn't kespa/MBC/OGN run. We have many former B teamers play SC2. But they had to quit their team. Imagine if all the teams had a small SC2 team alongside their SC BW team. If SC2 was actually more fun for the viewers, it would outcompete SC BW pretty easily because SC BW does get a bit old after watching thousands of games.
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I don't think KeSPA would give up on BW unless there was a serious desire expressed by the fanbase to do so--it seems the rumored transition is quite a foolhardy move.
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On July 08 2011 15:45 Loser777 wrote: I don't think KeSPA would give up on BW unless there was a serious desire expressed by the fanbase to do so--it seems the rumored transition is quite a foolhardy move.
The last time I checked in the Korean BW community, they know that they are dying. :/
Poor folks...
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Korean sc2 netizens in the last quarter of 2010:
"I hope kespa dies" "sc2 is the shit, fuck kespa"
First quarter of 2011:
"Kespa please take on sc2 too, i want it to get good" "Sc2 won't get as good as bw until kespa takes it"
Well, Mr.Hoon said that blizz should be partnering with kespa and not gom in the early release. Blizzard realized it now, I guess. And yeah, GSL/GSTL look like an event league in comparison to OSL/MSL/PL.
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Non-BW followers don't seem to understand that this is actually a bad thing...for BW and SC2 alike.
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@_@ what is this! SCBW
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Wow this is so exciting! Can't wait for Jaedong to switch to SC2 and Roach split micro, and creep spread at 450 APM... and run Banelings into stuff...
... No thanks I'll keep my Mutalisks and Defilers.
Still, if the rumors are true at least Blizzard is trying to put some effort into their games at last? With regards to maps and balancing and possibly their ladder system.
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This could be good or bad (not a huge fan of kespa myself); I really like the way gom is running things now so as long as they stay as a powerful force in the sc2 korean scene things should work out, otherwise kespa will piss off a lot of people.
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Just so everyone is clear, no backstabbing here.
There is no reason Blizzard and Kespa cannot discuss signing a deal sometime in the future (i.e. when the exclusivity agreement with Grentech expires) in order to further expand the number of SC2 tournaments in Korea.
As long as Blizzard honors its contract with Grentech throughout 2012, then why would anyone not want increasing interest in SC2 right around when LotV is released and the game is finally finished and ready to be played for the next 15 years?
That's how capitalism works isn't it?
lol!
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Brood War is unique game, it has substantial core differences from SC2, which aren't necessarily "improved" in the successor. Thus, I think the community, including new coming players, are going to miss BW, and keep playing it, and if Kespa indeed abandons it, then another organization will arise to manage the progaming BW scene.
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On July 08 2011 15:49 Whiplash wrote: This could be good or bad (not a huge fan of kespa myself); I really like the way gom is running things now so as long as they stay as a powerful force in the sc2 korean scene things should work out, otherwise kespa will piss off a lot of people. I particularly like the players association and the "freedom" that the pros have. The amount of players leaving, team creations, etc. wouldn't happen as much under the kespa system, we'd miss out on a lot of great stories.
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Sometimes its better for a game to go out on top, rather than slowly bleed into obscurity.
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On July 08 2011 15:51 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:49 Whiplash wrote: This could be good or bad (not a huge fan of kespa myself); I really like the way gom is running things now so as long as they stay as a powerful force in the sc2 korean scene things should work out, otherwise kespa will piss off a lot of people. I particularly like the players association and the "freedom" that the pros have. The amount of players leaving, team creations, etc. wouldn't happen as much under the kespa system, we'd miss out on a lot of great stories.
I would trade half of that for another league in an instant. It's not like there won't be stories with Kespa. It's just more structured.
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I knew this was coming. BW was a glorious magnificent beast ailing away as SCII took it's toll. But it's still the saddest thing in the world to know that BW will die in a year's notice.
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On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well.
I fixed what was wrong with this statement:
On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW for very much longer.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well.
I mean I know we love BW but this really isn't as much of an opinion as it is a fact. He is speaking from the perspective of new people being exposed to the game, not us nerds who have grown up playing/watching the game.
The truth is computer technology has improved tenfold since BW, and the prime of the game has certainly passed .
I do not see BW being eliminated right away though, as that would be a dumb business move for a game still bringing kespa profit (I'm assuming it is).
On July 08 2011 15:20 McKTenor13 wrote: I feel very selfish when I say I hope they get rid of BW. I didn't grow up with it like the rest of you did, but I completely understand how amazing of a game it is and how incredible JD, Flash, Bisu, Stork, etc. are. So I take my selfishness and hope that they switch so we can see complete domination in Sc2.
Awesome post
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Yeah... if Kespa ends up running SC2 events, I'm kind of concerned about how it will turn out for Korean SC2 players and teams. Will GOM and Kespa end up running leagues which compete with each other and players having exclusive contracts to certain leagues. (Kinda like how UFC vs Strikeforce used to be until they bought it over). It'll be silly, but it will be interesting how the existing SC2 teams and the BW teams will co-exist if Kespa were to transition into SC2.
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I see good things in the future if this is true because as hwanni says, the way sc2 can grow in sk is to have it broadcasted on mbc and ogn.
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Wow, this really sucks in a way. As much as I love gaming/esports it's a bit sad that there's no game that will last for ages. I don't follow BW as much as I used to but I really hoped it would stay popular in Korea.
E-sports will always exist but there will never be a game that lasts
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On July 08 2011 15:47 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:45 Loser777 wrote: I don't think KeSPA would give up on BW unless there was a serious desire expressed by the fanbase to do so--it seems the rumored transition is quite a foolhardy move. The last time I checked in the Korean BW community, they know that they are dying. :/ Poor folks... they've been saying they are dying since 2005
get over it ~_~
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I would hate for this to have any negative effect on gomTV and the gsl.
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It's all about the money. They will do it if it's mutually beneficial, but at least GOM will have a good head start already.
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oh myyy gawwwwwwwd its like the apocolypse!
sell your homes and get ready for the end of the world parties!!!!
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Keep BW but also give KeSPA SC2
problem solved in my eyes
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On July 08 2011 16:08 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:47 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 15:45 Loser777 wrote: I don't think KeSPA would give up on BW unless there was a serious desire expressed by the fanbase to do so--it seems the rumored transition is quite a foolhardy move. The last time I checked in the Korean BW community, they know that they are dying. :/ Poor folks... they've been saying they are dying since 2005 get over it ~_~
LOL. Then the horse is definitely taking a LONG time to die. XD
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There is a twofold dilemma of a total transition.
1. SC2 is prettier to look at, and the fact that it is new (they hope) will be a refreshing change for spectators.
BUT
2. BW is the game spectators are familiar with, love, and is largely seen (by the majority) as superior in terms of gameplay.
These factors aside, BW's popularity has been in decline since 06-07. It could be dead in 5 years if nothing is done.
And yet, a complete switch to SC2 that is not received with enthusiasm and continued interest beyond initial hype could kill both BW and SC2 as the only mainstream esport of Korea.
Thus it is in KeSPA's best interest to work as closely as they can with Blizzard to make SC2 a game that will reach the standard of quality spectators expect and require for them to still be interested in esports.
Or, this is all bullshit.
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On July 08 2011 16:12 rift wrote: Or, this is all bullshit.
BINGO.
Finally someone gets it.
In the end, a rumor is only a rumor.
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On July 08 2011 16:12 rift wrote: There is a twofold dilemma of a total transition.
1. SC2 is prettier to look at, and the fact that it is new (they hope) will be a refreshing change for spectators.
BUT
2. BW is the game spectators are familiar with, love, and is largely seen (by the majority) as superior in terms of gameplay.
These factors aside, BW's popularity has been in decline since 06-07. It could be dead in 5 years if nothing is done.
And yet, a complete switch to SC2 that is not received with enthusiasm and continued interest beyond initial hype could kill both BW and SC2 as the only mainstream esport of Korea.
Thus it is in KeSPA's best interest to work as closely as they can with Blizzard to make SC2 a game that will reach the standard of quality spectators expect and require for them to be still be interested in esports.
Or, this is all bullshit.
lol I like the last bit
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On July 08 2011 16:09 saltymango wrote: I would hate for this to have any negative effect on gomTV and the gsl.
Not really a matter of if, it's a matter of how much.
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The thing that tells me BW won't be living much longer is that new talent is slowly running dry. Once the TBLS (or at this point we can talk just about Flash and Bisu really) are past their primes, I just don't see anyone who can fill the void or become both a godlike player and a sort of mainstream star and BW figurehead. And this can (and may very likely) happen in a year or two at most.
SC2 is meh... not in a good place right now in terms of skill level and quality of games. But it has a HUGE momentum behind it and heaps of money thrown into it, and the quality is slowly but steadily improving. I would say that an average major tournament game today (July 2011) is at least three times as good as an average major tournament game as recently as 4 or 5 months ago, let alone last year.
Whether the rumours are true or not, Kespa would only be wise to look ahead. I'm pretty sure they will get the most out of BW before abandoning it, but at some point they will have to build up on what they have achieved so far and take it to another game.
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I don't see this ending well
Ifit's SC2 related, than it's unnecessary. Gom is doing a good enough job, and the added structure of kespa can't improve it that much. Two leagues seems an impossibility, considering that blizzard has already set a "one license for korea" precedent, and kespa doesn't like sharing with gom to begin with. We can also consider that when gom ran BW in parallel with kespa, that they had English commentators then while kespa did not, so there is no guarantee that they would start now. Also, kespa instituted a rule that players can only compete in kespa leagues (with the only exception of WCG i think) so if it was extended, that means no koreans in mlg, dreamhack, nasl, ect. Now a larger percentage of their fan base in a foreign market may mean that either of those policies might not extend, but at this point we are hoping to get back to where we are now. I think that it would be about the same, but it has a lot of potential to be worse, and little to be better.
And if it is BW related, than it is bad because I cant imagine blizzard doing anything good for BW.
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did i get this right?
bliz support gomtv to fuck kespa in sc2. after gomtv is in business they make a secret meeting with kespa to fuck gomtv.
If you make business like this, soon no one will make business with you....
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On July 08 2011 16:14 JiPrime wrote:BINGO. Finally someone gets it. In the end, a rumor is only a rumor.
Or it's the end of eSports T_T
for a while at least
LOL NICE!
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Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS.
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Kespa will help make sc2 a better game if all of this goes through. I'm not really worried about BW dying as it in my eyes has many more years of life ahead of it. It may not be admired by a mass amount of foreigners anymore, but it still holds great success in Korea. I'm not even going to get excited about the thought of my favorite BW legends making the switch to sc2, I don't believe they will do it.
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On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS.
Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way
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I don't want Kepsa anywhere near SC2.
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For some reason the only thing I can think of is instead of there being a power outage, there's a Bnet outage... xD
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On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way
Blizzard is just as evil as Kespa.
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god i hope this is true bw pros switching over would be sooo awesome
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I hope that this is true, especially the part about them consulting kespa on making HoTS better for E-Sports. This would show a more humble Blizzard that is wanting to make something great. SC2 is a good game, but it's not broodwar. If this kespa and Blizzard alliance can turn SC2 into an e-sport that is a step up from broodwar I'm all for it. Very exciting.
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On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way
Exactly.
Kespa is under the mercy of Blizzard now, and Blizzard is a freaking christ-like for letting them get away with 10+ years of copyright infringement.
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On July 08 2011 16:32 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way Exactly. Kespa is under the mercy of Blizzard now, and Blizzard is a freaking christ-like for letting them get away with 10+ years of copyright infringement.
You are so cute lol
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On July 08 2011 16:33 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:32 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way Exactly. Kespa is under the mercy of Blizzard now, and Blizzard is a freaking christ-like for letting them get away with 10+ years of copyright infringement. You are so cute lol
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On July 08 2011 16:34 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:33 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 16:32 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way Exactly. Kespa is under the mercy of Blizzard now, and Blizzard is a freaking christ-like for letting them get away with 10+ years of copyright infringement. You are so cute lol AM I KAWAII DESU?? UGUUU
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On July 08 2011 16:32 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way Exactly. Kespa is under the mercy of Blizzard now, and Blizzard is a freaking christ-like for letting them get away with 10+ years of copyright infringement.
Without which you wouldn't have a huge SC2 E-sport community based game that was initially based entirely on the name starcraft alone.
I have my problems with kespa but don't act as if Blizzard didn't benefit hugely.
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On July 08 2011 16:34 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:34 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:33 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 16:32 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way Exactly. Kespa is under the mercy of Blizzard now, and Blizzard is a freaking christ-like for letting them get away with 10+ years of copyright infringement. You are so cute lol AM I KAWAII DESU?? UGUUU GUGUGUGUGUGUGU
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I really hope that Blizz sticks with Gom. Look how accommodating with the foreign scene they have been, the team house, hiring English speaking casters, working with MLG etc. When has Kespa made any attempt to connect with us? When was the last time anyone from Kespa posted here on TL? I feel if they take over it will just revert to the way the BW was. I fear an organization that has that much control and love how open the community is at the moment. I think Gom sees the global picture and kespa just looks out for themselves only.
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On July 08 2011 16:36 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:32 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way Exactly. Kespa is under the mercy of Blizzard now, and Blizzard is a freaking christ-like for letting them get away with 10+ years of copyright infringement. Without which you wouldn't have a huge SC2 E-sport community based game that was initially based entirely on the name starcraft alone. I have my problems with kespa but don't act as if Blizzard didn't benefit hugely.
As a follower of BW scene since its birth, I guarantee you that BW would've been a runaway success anyways, with or without Kespa.
If there wasn't Kespa then some other organization might have done it.
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U better dont destroy GOMTV :<
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Very interesting, lets hope the BW pros will start crossing over to SC2 even more
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On July 08 2011 16:38 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:36 Jayme wrote:On July 08 2011 16:32 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way Exactly. Kespa is under the mercy of Blizzard now, and Blizzard is a freaking christ-like for letting them get away with 10+ years of copyright infringement. Without which you wouldn't have a huge SC2 E-sport community based game that was initially based entirely on the name starcraft alone. I have my problems with kespa but don't act as if Blizzard didn't benefit hugely. As a follower of BW scene since its birth, I guarantee you that BW would've been a runaway success anyways, with or without Kespa. If there wasn't Kespa then some other organization might have done it. You don't honestly believe that, do you?
Either way, besides KeSPA going down the shitter, too many good things have come out of this '10+ years of copyright infringement'.
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As far as I know, foreigners would just need to have a progaming license to compete. It's not like Kespa prohibits non koreans from competing
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You cant be follower of the bw scene since its birth and claim that bw would have been the same without KESPA.
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i dunno why they'd talk to kespa. what kind of opinion on pro-gaming would they ask for? autodisqualify for typing ppp instead of pp?
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Would be sad if they abandon BW, but if they just add-on SC2 it would definatly be good for the korean SC2 progamers. Their only real source of income is GSL Code S atm (you can't really count Code A), which is just too little. Another tournament would allow more koreans to get a stable income and would probably create more pro-teams and increase the motivation for more and better training.
We just have to wait see.
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If KeSPA drops BW and takes SC2 away from GOM, it's almost equally disastrous for both games.
If KeSPA does OS2L/MS2L on the side, and uses the profits to help with BW, it's good for both games.
I just hope GSLs get OSL/MSL-style openings, instead of the POLYGON OF DESTINY crap. It's my only remaining complaint with GOM.
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On July 08 2011 16:47 Madder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:38 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:36 Jayme wrote:On July 08 2011 16:32 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way Exactly. Kespa is under the mercy of Blizzard now, and Blizzard is a freaking christ-like for letting them get away with 10+ years of copyright infringement. Without which you wouldn't have a huge SC2 E-sport community based game that was initially based entirely on the name starcraft alone. I have my problems with kespa but don't act as if Blizzard didn't benefit hugely. As a follower of BW scene since its birth, I guarantee you that BW would've been a runaway success anyways, with or without Kespa. If there wasn't Kespa then some other organization might have done it. You don't honestly believe that, do you? Either way, besides KeSPA going down the shitter, too many good things have come out of this '10+ years of copyright infringement'.
And how would KeSPA properly licensing StarCraft rather than just assuming they can do whatever have affected their ability to do anything?
None of the good things that happened came about because of the infringement. They just came alongside it.
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oh man, GOMTV
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Prediction: GOM will remain, and BW will remain.
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It can be good for both games, or bad, totally depends on decisions from both Kespa and Blizzard.
It can make SC2 actually a good spectator game, Koreans are used to BW style RTS, so Blizz seeing it make more BW-esque changes into SC2 expasions which is a good thing.
BW is getting old but its still unique and SC2 will never gonna replace it completly even if Kespa wanted to. Remember that the deal wouldn happen sooner than 2012 and then it should take many months to transition, so BW has at least 2-3 years to exist fully (and i hope thats gonna be the most competetive and interesting period for spectactors).
Korean BW fans won't transition to SC2 if SC2 won't have BW values (and koreans spoke it doesnt have at this moment, no micro tricks, no interesting units, no essence etc.) Its gonna be big stepping stone for Blizz to change it.
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asking their input on the HOTS expansion with pro-gaming perspective
i gotta be honest, this part is REALLY interesting
not got gonna bother with the drama part, will wait and see what happens
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Ima sticking with gom they've been good to me so far :D. I can't imagine it being bad for the scene
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On July 08 2011 17:28 Benjef wrote: Ima sticking with gom they've been good to me so far :D. I can't imagine it being bad for the scene
I agree for the most part, but if kespa gets an SC2 league and will stream without a stupid player with quality matches, then I will watch that.
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if kespa helps then i think sc2 can become a much better game.
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This is going to happen sooner or later.
Blizzard needs Kespa (and more importantly OGN and MBC*) in order to grow SC2 in Korea. Kespa needs SC2 in order to build their audience outside of Korea.
It's a perfect marriage of convenience for the two sides.
* SC2 really needs exposure on dedicated esports channels like OGN and MBC. They're only catching the hardcore fans right now with Gomplayer and their current cable deal.
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On July 08 2011 16:47 Madder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:38 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:36 Jayme wrote:On July 08 2011 16:32 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way Exactly. Kespa is under the mercy of Blizzard now, and Blizzard is a freaking christ-like for letting them get away with 10+ years of copyright infringement. Without which you wouldn't have a huge SC2 E-sport community based game that was initially based entirely on the name starcraft alone. I have my problems with kespa but don't act as if Blizzard didn't benefit hugely. As a follower of BW scene since its birth, I guarantee you that BW would've been a runaway success anyways, with or without Kespa. If there wasn't Kespa then some other organization might have done it. You don't honestly believe that, do you? Either way, besides KeSPA going down the shitter, too many good things have come out of this '10+ years of copyright infringement'.
Actually if you look at the history kespa really hurt the BW scene when they came about, sure they made some changes, none of them really improved the scene, and those changes came at a large cost to OGN/MBC.
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This would require significant concessions regarding player restrictions. If they try to just translate their current system directly to SC2, it will set the game back - especially regarding more integration of the foreign/Korean gaming scenes.
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On July 08 2011 17:28 SmoKim wrote:i gotta be honest, this part is REALLY interesting not got gonna bother with the drama part, will wait and see what happens yes, it would be great if SC2 finally become legit ESPORTS game
i dont see any serious television streaming sc2 without no-lag assurance (aka give lan or gtfo), also i imagine pro players will request lan support
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Let's make a petition of support for GOMTV - the guys who really care about esports, the international scene and IP rights!
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On July 08 2011 17:28 SmoKim wrote:i gotta be honest, this part is REALLY interesting not got gonna bother with the drama part, will wait and see what happens
I was gonna say the same thing!
SC2 to benefit from KeSPA in both Balance and Esports.
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This would be interesting, but I really hope it doesn't limit the Korean/foreigner interaction we have going on in SC2.
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Hmmm.
I'm not really sure how important KESPA really is to the future of SC2. I think it might be, but only in Korea. I think a year ago, we were all thinking about how BW was, how big it was, especially in Korea. But within this past year SC2 has exploded globally in a way BW never did. I truly feel that SC2 doesn't need a big following in Korea to be a big eSports success, so long as there are quality players coming out of Korea, to compete on the global scene (which is happening increasingly often, look at Rain/Hwangsin + all the koreans entering online events)
I'll be quite upset if somehow Blizzard drops GOM in favour of KESPA, since they've done such a great drop so far, and are encouraging a global SC2 scene with the MLG partnership. I don't think televised production like OGN/MBC is required personally. The future is the internet/streaming.
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I see nothing wrong with a second league popping up for sc2 in korea. Korea has such a huge talent pool of sc2 progamers that it really wouldnt hurt gom at all IMO, i think gom will still probably be the premiere league as it is more established and if they can work around each others schedules korea will surely be THE place to be for starcraft 2 gamers (IMO it always has been but people are starting to lean towards the west a little bit more these days)
Sounds pretty legit though i knew this would happen sooner or later, possibly BW players still in contracts with their teams/kespa that want to switch over may have a chance to do so. Im not very knowledgeable on the bw scene in korea, but with the amount of popularity sc2 is gaining around the world i think its a smart move for kespa if its true.
Right now they dont really have viewers outside of korea (very few compared to gsl) for their pro leagues as there is no english commentary. With a new starcraft 2 league and the addition of english commentators they could gain an international following (like gom has) and obviously thats where the big bucks are.
Either way im excited the korean players need more options for leagues at the moment and kespa/blizzard may make that a reality. There are just too many talented players in korea right now and not enough leagues for them to play in.
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On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors. In this sense, BW should not have survived WC3, but it did. Of course with SC2, BW will eventually phase out; but I think it should not be forced. The people should switch as they like, not because Blizzard ends the support.
Not going on to support BW sends a message to SC2 players: "When we have a new game, we probably stop supporting SC2."
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On July 08 2011 17:50 Executor1 wrote: Either way im excited the korean players need more options for leagues at the moment and kespa/blizzard may make that a reality. There are just too many talented players in korea right now and not enough leagues for them to play in.
True, but there's a flip side to this. If KESPA continues with it's restrictions, it will give rise to high level players who will no chance of ever facing each other (if GSL still remains).
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1. IMO I I think this is freaking fake.
2. We all know that games like BW and SC2 can not co-exist one has to die for the other to succeed, for example look at tourny's involving counter strike its either source or 1.6 (same thing goes for street fighter).
3. IFand when Kespa does take over sc2. It will be the end of foreign has sc2. Why I say this? Because the same thing happened to the foreign sc bw. When korea 1,2,3 every international tourny regarding BW in a dominate fashion it killed the foreign scene, no matter how hard the foreigners tried they could not catch up in skill level.
Also people who keeps on saying sc2 will replace bw in 5 years, should know that within 5 years sc3 will probably be out and this debate will start from the same place as the topic of BW and SC2.
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This would be pretty huge if true, but I doubt Kespa will abandon BW anytime soon. It's very much so alive and well. Maybe they'll run leagues for both or are just planning ahead for switching in 2-3 years.
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I thought one of the reasons Blizzard was against Kespa was because of how they treated players. Seems kind of weird to make a deal with them now.
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On July 08 2011 17:58 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors. In this sense, BW should not have survived WC3, but it did. Of course with SC2, BW will eventually phase out; but I think it should not be forced. The people should switch as they like, not because Blizzard ends the support. Not going on to support BW sends a message to SC2 players: "When we have a new game, we probably stop supporting SC2."
Outside of korea, bw didn't survive Wc3. Especially in europe, as 90% of the top european sc2 players were active in wc3.
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On July 08 2011 17:58 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors. In this sense, BW should not have survived WC3, but it did. Of course with SC2, BW will eventually phase out; but I think it should not be forced. The people should switch as they like, not because Blizzard ends the support. Not going on to support BW sends a message to SC2 players: "When we have a new game, we probably stop supporting SC2."
No, it says, "When we have Starcraft 3, we will stop supporting Starcraft 2"
sure.
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On July 08 2011 17:36 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 16:47 Madder wrote:On July 08 2011 16:38 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:36 Jayme wrote:On July 08 2011 16:32 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 16:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 16:29 Goibon wrote: Ugh, i thought i'd never have to think about Kespa. I thought we were done with that organization. I was hoping i could come into SC2 as a spectator and enjoy the game without Kespa influence.
Oh well, all good things must come to an end eventually.
Hope this is BS. Don't worry about the bad things or things you don't like about Kespa, Kespa will be working under Blizzard not the other way Exactly. Kespa is under the mercy of Blizzard now, and Blizzard is a freaking christ-like for letting them get away with 10+ years of copyright infringement. Without which you wouldn't have a huge SC2 E-sport community based game that was initially based entirely on the name starcraft alone. I have my problems with kespa but don't act as if Blizzard didn't benefit hugely. As a follower of BW scene since its birth, I guarantee you that BW would've been a runaway success anyways, with or without Kespa. If there wasn't Kespa then some other organization might have done it. You don't honestly believe that, do you? Either way, besides KeSPA going down the shitter, too many good things have come out of this '10+ years of copyright infringement'. Actually if you look at the history kespa really hurt the BW scene when they came about, sure they made some changes, none of them really improved the scene, and those changes came at a large cost to OGN/MBC.
I think he was referencing the copyright infringement law case.
And I don't really care if Kespa come out or not, if they do they better come out with a bang, and more importantly why is this being kept secret? I don't see any reason for this.
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I just hope that GOMTV doesn't get mad and start (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ because of this. Other than that - i wasnt here long enough to say if having kespa involved in sc2 a good or a bad thing.
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Based on what I read:
1) There's no evidence at all to suggest BW being abandoned. Nor is there any logical reason to assume it would be abandoned. Right now, Brood War still has higher viewership and popularity than SC2. Its a much 'safer' game economically.
2) GOM still has a contract for something like 1-2 more years? Since Blizzard made a big deal about respecting those contracts to begin with, I don't see how they can circumvent that.
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Please don't bring over the retarded Kespa rules for pro-gamers :/
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just wondering as a newer member of the esports community who didn't follow BW at all, why do people think that kespa is "evil" and something that would be bad for Starcraft 2? All I've managed to get is that they were strict in some way. But in regards to the article, I'm not going to really expect anything like this until something more concrete comes up. This seems sorta sudden and out of the blue for such big news. Hopefully we can see some more Korean leagues in the future though. The more the better!
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On July 08 2011 18:13 ReaperX wrote: Please don't bring over the retarded Kespa rules for pro-gamers :/
I agree, I dont like that part of Kespa at all.
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On July 08 2011 18:18 iba001 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 18:13 ReaperX wrote: Please don't bring over the retarded Kespa rules for pro-gamers :/ I agree, I dont like that part of Kespa at all. Can you explain?
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I don't know why people are talking about Kespa taking over SC2. More likely is that Blizzard removes the exclusive rights part from their GOM deal and allows Kespa to host SC2 tournaments as well side by side with GOM. If most of the BW players were to switch the scene would be big enough for two tournaments to co-exist.
And IF Kespa was to run SC2 they would be forced to completely reform their way of doing things from the core, the progaming licence nonsense would have to go or atleast be changed, they wouldn't be able to shut existing SC2 teams out and basically they would have to forsake much if not all that allowed them to have an iron grip on BW for all these years.
It could be good though, a Kespa minus the stupid rules, slave-like player conditions and exclusive rights to the game could be ok. I can't see that happening though since that's what made Kespa what it is.
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I don't understand why they would abandon bw TT Unless the ratings are very low, but the fanbase is still enormous, I would say bigger than for sc2 for SK market, so I don't get why they wouldn't do both games ?
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BW no
Wasnt there some sort of atleast 2 year proleague thing for Broodwar still though? Or would it expire ..at around the same time as the GOMTV one?
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Thats pretty dirty if it is true. Gom still has sc2 for a bit longer and blizzard should be openly negotiating instead of dealing with kespa behind closed doors.
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On July 08 2011 18:19 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 18:18 iba001 wrote:On July 08 2011 18:13 ReaperX wrote: Please don't bring over the retarded Kespa rules for pro-gamers :/ I agree, I dont like that part of Kespa at all. That's actually the part that i would really want. can someone explain which rules you all are referring to, why they are bad, and why you people see kespa as "evil" anyway? I never played/watched bw.
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On July 08 2011 18:19 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 18:18 iba001 wrote:On July 08 2011 18:13 ReaperX wrote: Please don't bring over the retarded Kespa rules for pro-gamers :/ I agree, I dont like that part of Kespa at all. Can you explain? Players losing matches just because they typed ``a`` accidentally mid game? Saying PP instead of PPP and being punished for it? I don`t know who creates these rules and with what intent.
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Can't play in any outside events... plus their draconian in-game rules. There is a fixed number of teams as well. IIRC it's a pain to change teams also.
From liquipedia: In the Korean Brood War progaming circuit, the term progamer has stricter connotations than in other games. Aspiring players who may be skilled but not involved in the professional scene are known as amateurs. An amateur who wants to enter the professional scene must first gain a semi-professional license from KeSPA. Although the rules for acquiring this license have changed slightly over the years, one must either get top place in the Courage tournaments or in rarer cases be gifted a license from a pro-team to become a semi-pro. The professional teams then evaluate semi-pros and may choose to draft one onto their team, at which point they are considered a progamer and can play in KeSPA leagues. Progamers are differentiated by their place on the A-team, which is the roster of players that can play in Proleague matches, or the B-team, which serves as practice partners for the A-team and plays in the minor Dream League. Both A and B team members can compete in the individual leagues (OSL and MSL). Based on their performance and in-house ranking tournaments, progamers are shifted between the A and B teams by their coaches on a monthly basis.
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Blizzard seems so shady nowadays...
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On July 08 2011 18:15 Clank wrote: just wondering as a newer member of the esports community who didn't follow BW at all, why do people think that kespa is "evil" and something that would be bad for Starcraft 2? All I've managed to get is that they were strict in some way. But in regards to the article, I'm not going to really expect anything like this until something more concrete comes up. This seems sorta sudden and out of the blue for such big news. Hopefully we can see some more Korean leagues in the future though. The more the better!
Its not really exactly black and white. For once while Kespa did have quite strict rules they did take care of their players, but they also worked them a lot.
Its not that simple. As for why it would be bad for SC2.... well I don´t really know, basically it would change the way stuff is run now but also a lot of money and infrastructure would be poured in the SC2 scene.Errr... its really hard to explain, but it comes down to that SC2 pros would have to put up with more restrictions than now
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Not sure what to think about this, KeSPA definitely made some questionable decisions in BW but overall I think they did a decent job. No matter how much people hate KeSPA, they made BW in Korea what it is today and there's no denying that fact (sure, if KeSPA didn't do it someone else might have but KeSPA DID IT (and BoxeR)). After achieving that and having 10 years of experience doing it, I'd trust KeSPA to make SC2 good as well. Even right now I'd kill for a few of the KeSPA map-makers to start working on SC2.
Either way there should be more than one league in Korea, I hate that GOMTV has exclusive rights.
On July 08 2011 18:01 BreakerD wrote: 1. IMO I I think this is freaking fake.
2. We all know that games like BW and SC2 can not co-exist one has to die for the other to succeed, for example look at tourny's involving counter strike its either source or 1.6 (same thing goes for street fighter).
BW and SC2 has co-existed for a year now though without problems and I don't see why it couldn't continue to do so, so no we don't all know that. And KeSPA is managing a lot of games, so I think it's more likely they're just adding one more with SC2.
3. IFand when Kespa does take over sc2. It will be the end of foreign has sc2. Why I say this? Because the same thing happened to the foreign sc bw. When korea 1,2,3 every international tourny regarding BW in a dominate fashion it killed the foreign scene, no matter how hard the foreigners tried they could not catch up in skill level.
Good. Foreigners are in a much better position now to copy the Korean style of gaming houses and training so I doubt a skill-gap that big will happen here. And even if it did I wouldn't care, the higher the skill level is the better.
On July 08 2011 18:19 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 18:18 iba001 wrote:On July 08 2011 18:13 ReaperX wrote: Please don't bring over the retarded Kespa rules for pro-gamers :/ I agree, I dont like that part of Kespa at all. Can you explain? Many people also hate KeSPA because of what happened with GOMTV in BW, the majority of the KeSPA teams decided not to participate in the league for various reasons, officially I believe it was something like "players doesn't have time to practice/prepare/play in more leagues as there's already too many leagues and even more coming". But to almost everyone this just looked like "KeSPA killed GOMTV classic!". Plus they've made questionable decisions, like at a power outage they awarded the win to a player (and obviously a ton of people doesn't agree with that), chat rules were too strict and sometimes people would get disqualified by just typing something by a mistake. Working conditions for the players, etc, but I don't really know anything about that so won't talk about it.
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On July 08 2011 18:12 Ocedic wrote: Based on what I read:
1) There's no evidence at all to suggest BW being abandoned. Nor is there any logical reason to assume it would be abandoned. Right now, Brood War still has higher viewership and popularity than SC2. Its a much 'safer' game economically.
Well, it's on TV and SC2 isn't. So of course it has higher viewers. The question is how would they compare if they were both on TV, or if SC2 replaced BW. If this rumor is true then I guess Kespa did their research and it was favorable to SC2.
Considering than SC2 is the more popular game to play in Korea (pretty sure I'm remembering that right), and it has a brighter future (better graphics matters like it or not, expansions to come), and better foreign potential, it would make sense that Kespa want in on it.
Replacing BW would be quite surprising though. Perhaps they feel they can't really coexist, or maybe BW is just dying on its own.
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GOM have done a great job imo with sc2, I would hate to see the clowns from KESPA come in and ruin the party.
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problem is that not a lot of players are really going to pick up Starcraft so the int really any new generations coming through. Going to get worse and worse so Starcraft 2 will instantly have younger talent playing it simply because of the graphics. If I was a kid now 10-14 years old I would pick Starcraft 2 over starcraft simply because one it is easier to pick up, and also two because the graphics are isntantly a lot better!!!
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On July 08 2011 18:57 Tommylew wrote: problem is that not a lot of players are really going to pick up Starcraft so the int really any new generations coming through. Going to get worse and worse so Starcraft 2 will instantly have younger talent playing it simply because of the graphics. If I was a kid now 10-14 years old I would pick Starcraft 2 over starcraft simply because one it is easier to pick up, and also two because the graphics are isntantly a lot better!!!
What if you were a kid now 10-14 years old that grew up watching SCBW on TV?
SCBW is a cultural symbol. And a few months back, wasn't there some chart that showed the top 15 games played in PC Bangs in Korea, and SCBW was still the 5th most played game and SC2 was like 13th?
Also, I really don't think KeSPA has any plans of abandoning SCBW any time soon, seeing as how they're trying to spread it further by holding ProLeague finals in Shanghai.
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This seems to be false rumors and lies by this website. I don't think this will happen due to the fact that KeSPA is so happy with bw and they know they can't have both games run side by side.
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I don't care. The worst thing that could happen is: Nothing changes and even if GomTV loses the rights to SC2 it doesn't matter that much, the players will be the same and I don't care who produces.
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Kespa has strict rules because they protect the integrity of the matches.
At MLG you can pick random, see if you get the right race and pause the game yourself if you don't and demand a restart. Also, you can talk. Like Huk did. All very bad for the integrity of the game. In Korea this was realized years ago so they have strict rules about talking. If you accidentally type you break the rule. If you accidentally leave the game, you lost.
These people are progamers. Why can't they request a pause properly? These rules were all known and no one complained about them. But then some fan favorite (Backho, haha) stupidly breaks the rule and instead of getting angry at Backho, people get angry at Kespa.
Kespa is Korean esports. They are the teams, the broadcasters and the referees. If there wasn't a Kespa, Kespa would be founded tomorrow.
Kespa is the best thing that can happen to SC2, so please let Blizzard stay incompetent and try to fight Kespa. With SC2 under Kespa, Sc2 actually has a chance to outcompete SC BW and cause SC BW to shut down.
SC BW lasted several years more because of Blizzard incompetence. As a BW fan I can only hope this lasts longer.
If Gomtv no longer has the exclusive rights to SC2, they will quickly disappear, which is a good thing. Gomtv has only done damage to Korean esports. Really, paid streams in some crazy internet tv program. I tried to follow some SC2 progaming, but Gomtv prevented me from doing so. Blizzard killed my appetite to play SC2 by making it too easy and cheesy. Gomtv killed my SC2 appetite for progaming by making it impossible to follow.
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sooner or later bw is going to be replaced. thats the way it goes for everything in life. one day sc2 will be replaced by sc3. not like sc2 is the last sc game for all eternity to come.
however its way too early to abandon bw while the interest still is high. however i can see that kespa will slowly move towards sc2 with first running two leagues and then eventually cut bw when the sc2 interest is big enough.
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this would be awesome as long as they dont abandon BW. i would love to see bw continue forever, like "normal" sports (tennis, football, etc.)
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if that was true i would actually jizz in my pants
i love bw but BISU PLAYING SC2 would destroy my brain
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On July 08 2011 19:10 Hekisui wrote: Kespa has strict rules because they protect the integrity of the matches.
At MLG you can pick random, see if you get the right race and pause the game yourself if you don't and demand a restart. Also, you can talk. Like Huk did. All very bad for the integrity of the game. In Korea this was realized years ago so they have strict rules about talking. If you accidentally type you break the rule. If you accidentally leave the game, you lost.
These people are progamers. Why can't they request a pause properly? These rules were all known and no one complained about them. But then some fan favorite (Backho, haha) stupidly breaks the rule and instead of getting angry at Backho, people get angry at Kespa.
Kespa is Korean esports. They are the teams, the broadcasters and the referees. If there wasn't a Kespa, Kespa would be founded tomorrow.
Kespa is the best thing that can happen to SC2, so please let Blizzard stay incompetent and try to fight Kespa. With SC2 under Kespa, Sc2 actually has a chance to outcompete SC BW and cause SC BW to shut down.
SC BW lasted several years more because of Blizzard incompetence. As a BW fan I can only hope this lasts longer.
If Gomtv no longer has the exclusive rights to SC2, they will quickly disappear, which is a good thing. Gomtv has only done damage to Korean esports. Really, paid streams in some crazy internet tv program. I tried to follow some SC2 progaming, but Gomtv prevented me from doing so. Blizzard killed my appetite to play SC2 by making it too easy and cheesy. Gomtv killed my SC2 appetite for progaming by making it impossible to follow.
So everything Kespa does is great and everything Blizzard/GOM does is worthless. Got it!
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On July 08 2011 19:24 imperator-xy wrote: if that was true i would actually jizz in my pants
i love bw but BISU PLAYING SC2 would destroy my brain You don`t love bw then... -.-
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i don´t care about kespa and about the rules they have and the stars they have i don´t need them
we have gom/mlg/dreamhack/hsc/nasl/ign/egmc/tsl they should stay in bw
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51328 Posts
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On July 08 2011 19:10 Hekisui wrote:Kespa is Korean esports.
Only because they shut down the competition.
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konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
oh fuck please dont abandon BW seriously
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On July 08 2011 19:47 konadora wrote: oh fuck please dont abandon BW seriously
If KeSPA abandons BW, someone else will take it up.
Not that they're going to.
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If Kespa plans on abandoning BW, they sure are wasting a lot of money by investing in the new Rookie League.
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I really hope the BW scene doesn't die out, though it's obvious that it is losing popularity now that SC2 is out. Oh well, it is inevitable.
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2 Years from now... the final expansions would be close to out by then? I could see them adding the game once it's closer to complete.
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I didn't follow the scene before SC2, but to me Kespa seems like 'Dark enemy of the world' .
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
That would be so awesome. Flash actually wrecking havoc in SC2. OSL & MSL instead of GSL in SC2. Day9 Nerd Chills inc :D
Last but not least: more pro balance feedback - woah!
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On July 08 2011 19:34 Elementsu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 19:24 imperator-xy wrote: if that was true i would actually jizz in my pants
i love bw but BISU PLAYING SC2 would destroy my brain You don`t love bw then... -.-
whats wrong with wanting to see the great players of bw playing a game you play, follow, watch and love?
i love seeing july and boxer play sc2. imagine seeing Flash and Jaedong in MLG vs foreign players like idra, thorzain, naniwa etc.
how can that be a bad thing? it doesn't mean we don't love bw but its time to move on. i'd much rather see the bw players go to sc2 rather than them retiring and never see them play again.
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On July 08 2011 18:05 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 17:58 [F_]aths wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors. In this sense, BW should not have survived WC3, but it did. Of course with SC2, BW will eventually phase out; but I think it should not be forced. The people should switch as they like, not because Blizzard ends the support. Not going on to support BW sends a message to SC2 players: "When we have a new game, we probably stop supporting SC2." No, it says, "When we have Starcraft 3, we will stop supporting Starcraft 2" sure. This Blizzcon will have no WC3 matches. This could mean that with WC4, Blizzard could decide to stop hosting SC2 tournaments at Blizzcon, too.
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I am 100% sure kespa is not just going to abandon BW rofl
As long as it is still profitable and popular, kespa will put all their effort into it.
I'm sure there was more about getting kespas input on some decisions and gauging what their interest is in SC2.
Please stop with the Bisu in SC2 ZOMG comments. It won't happen anytime soon.
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does this mean flash and jaedong will go to sc2!!!!!!!!!!!! holy cow
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On July 08 2011 20:00 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 19:34 Elementsu wrote:On July 08 2011 19:24 imperator-xy wrote: if that was true i would actually jizz in my pants
i love bw but BISU PLAYING SC2 would destroy my brain You don`t love bw then... -.- whats wrong with wanting to see the great players of bw playing a game you play, follow, watch and love? i love seeing july and boxer play sc2. imagine seeing Flash and Jaedong in MLG vs foreign players like idra, thorzain, naniwa etc. how can that be a bad thing? it doesn't mean we don't love bw but its time to move on. i'd much rather see the bw players go to sc2 rather than them retiring and never see them play again. For every BW player who changes to SC2, another will quit gaming completely and never be seen in a professional match again. Is that a great thing? It's one thing for both scenes to exist side by side, it's another to hope that one industry dies to benefit the other.
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On July 08 2011 19:49 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 19:47 konadora wrote: oh fuck please dont abandon BW seriously If KeSPA abandons BW, someone else will take it up. Not that they're going to.
I sure hope you're right about this
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On July 08 2011 20:01 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 18:05 StyLeD wrote:On July 08 2011 17:58 [F_]aths wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors. In this sense, BW should not have survived WC3, but it did. Of course with SC2, BW will eventually phase out; but I think it should not be forced. The people should switch as they like, not because Blizzard ends the support. Not going on to support BW sends a message to SC2 players: "When we have a new game, we probably stop supporting SC2." No, it says, "When we have Starcraft 3, we will stop supporting Starcraft 2" sure. This Blizzcon will have no WC3 matches. This could mean that with WC4, Blizzard could decide to stop hosting SC2 tournaments at Blizzcon, too. If there is a WC4...
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It really depends on HoTs. They need to make the skills ceiling higher for kespa to switch over. They need more micro-able units for zerg and need to get rid of boring units such as the colo or thor.
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If they just add SC2 under their belt, it's fine, I REALLY don't want them to abandon BW, and they wold be fools if they did.
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On July 08 2011 20:04 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 20:01 [F_]aths wrote:On July 08 2011 18:05 StyLeD wrote:On July 08 2011 17:58 [F_]aths wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors. In this sense, BW should not have survived WC3, but it did. Of course with SC2, BW will eventually phase out; but I think it should not be forced. The people should switch as they like, not because Blizzard ends the support. Not going on to support BW sends a message to SC2 players: "When we have a new game, we probably stop supporting SC2." No, it says, "When we have Starcraft 3, we will stop supporting Starcraft 2" sure. This Blizzcon will have no WC3 matches. This could mean that with WC4, Blizzard could decide to stop hosting SC2 tournaments at Blizzcon, too. If there is a WC4...
I can assure you 100% right now, that there will be WC 4, SC3, WC 5, and SC 4, at least
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I honestly hope they don't abandon BW. I know SC2 is all the rage right now on TL, but I can't really get into it from a spectator's perspective. I do like playing it, as it's much easier for casual play than SC1. But watching it on TV is still very lacking. Here's to them making it more exciting in future expansions.
OTOH, I do kind of want to see just how TBLS caliber players stack up against current SC2 players. But not at the expense of BW as a spectator sport.
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On July 08 2011 20:01 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 18:05 StyLeD wrote:On July 08 2011 17:58 [F_]aths wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors. In this sense, BW should not have survived WC3, but it did. Of course with SC2, BW will eventually phase out; but I think it should not be forced. The people should switch as they like, not because Blizzard ends the support. Not going on to support BW sends a message to SC2 players: "When we have a new game, we probably stop supporting SC2." No, it says, "When we have Starcraft 3, we will stop supporting Starcraft 2" sure. This Blizzcon will have no WC3 matches. This could mean that with WC4, Blizzard could decide to stop hosting SC2 tournaments at Blizzcon, too.
There was WC3 matches last year at the same time as SC2 matches.
I think the reason is more like there isn't a WC3 tournament community outside of China anymore.
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If this really goes through, Kespa will probably stop giving out progaming licenses and let the current players play it out.
I really hope they don't abandon BW though. Yeah, it's outdated and I'll probably never ever play it again, but it's so magical to watch the progamers play.
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before they should add more microable units people should get good enough to micro the units (they are just so fast compard to bw). Its probably more a kespa will advertise hots thing and gets something really nice (bw licence for a few years etc). Something were both sides will profit from. I mean kespa ruined wol sales a bit with their connections all over the place xD. About bw pros switching over, will probably never happen (maybe after a year of secret training once bw isn't more popular anymore xD ).
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On July 08 2011 19:47 Ribbon wrote:Only because they shut down the competition.
Monopoly in sports leagues is not a bad thing. There are only 10 BW teams as is. It's not like fragmentation makes for better viewership. Whether you like the stuff Kespa has done over the years, they get credit for coming together to "create" the league we now know today.
I mean, MLB/NBA/NFL are monopolizing their respective sports in America. Doesn't make them bad.
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On July 08 2011 20:04 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 20:00 papaz wrote:On July 08 2011 19:34 Elementsu wrote:On July 08 2011 19:24 imperator-xy wrote: if that was true i would actually jizz in my pants
i love bw but BISU PLAYING SC2 would destroy my brain You don`t love bw then... -.- whats wrong with wanting to see the great players of bw playing a game you play, follow, watch and love? i love seeing july and boxer play sc2. imagine seeing Flash and Jaedong in MLG vs foreign players like idra, thorzain, naniwa etc. how can that be a bad thing? it doesn't mean we don't love bw but its time to move on. i'd much rather see the bw players go to sc2 rather than them retiring and never see them play again. For every BW player who changes to SC2, another will quit gaming completely and never be seen in a professional match again. Is that a great thing? It's one thing for both scenes to exist side by side, it's another to hope that one industry dies to benefit the other.
Sc2 being an official Kespa title would rais its popularity in a huge way. There will be a giant wave of new talents and gamers who will claim the top of pro gaming. As it is already happening in the west. I remember Idra answering an interview question, if he was thinking that there will be new top players coming in SC2 and he said "No way, the old pro gamers will be on top because of their experience, and no new player will have a chance." But here they are, HuK, Select, Naniwa, winning many tournaments.
BW co-existing with SC2 is a fine thing, but it's an very old title and slow downs the progress of SC2.
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If KeSPA were involved with SC2, the one thing I'd worry about would be them keeping their grudges against pro-gamers who switched from BW to SC2, like July, Nada, Boxer and many of the other BW players who were not that well known at the time. If I remember correctly, they all had their pro-gaming licences revoked for abandoning BW. It would really suck to see KeSPA holding a lifetime grudge against those players, so that they'll only ever be able to compete in a possibly dying GSL and foreign tournaments. Of course, KeSPA would be plain stupid to do something like that, but I've seen enough crap from them to fear it.
Still, televised SC2 in Korea would be priceless for SC2's success, I guess, and it seems that KeSPA is ruling OGN and MBC with a iron fist, so striking a deal with KeSPA would definitely have great value, but to be honest, I'd rather see the end of GOM's exclusivity deals and direct deals between Blizz on the one hand, and GOM, OGN and MBC on the other hand, no KeSPA involved.
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On July 08 2011 20:43 Kafkaesk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 20:04 Ryo wrote:On July 08 2011 20:00 papaz wrote:On July 08 2011 19:34 Elementsu wrote:On July 08 2011 19:24 imperator-xy wrote: if that was true i would actually jizz in my pants
i love bw but BISU PLAYING SC2 would destroy my brain You don`t love bw then... -.- whats wrong with wanting to see the great players of bw playing a game you play, follow, watch and love? i love seeing july and boxer play sc2. imagine seeing Flash and Jaedong in MLG vs foreign players like idra, thorzain, naniwa etc. how can that be a bad thing? it doesn't mean we don't love bw but its time to move on. i'd much rather see the bw players go to sc2 rather than them retiring and never see them play again. For every BW player who changes to SC2, another will quit gaming completely and never be seen in a professional match again. Is that a great thing? It's one thing for both scenes to exist side by side, it's another to hope that one industry dies to benefit the other. Sc2 being an official Kespa title would rais its popularity in a huge way. There will be a giant wave of new talents and gamers who will claim the top of pro gaming. As it is already happening in the west. I remember Idra answering an interview question, if he was thinking that there will be new top players coming in SC2 and he said "No way, the old pro gamers will be on top because of their experience, and no new player will have a chance." But here they are, HuK, Select, Naniwa, winning many tournaments. BW co-existing with SC2 is a fine thing, but it's an very old title and slow downs the progress of SC2. I`m sorry, but this is very stupid.
SC2 becoming official kespa game wont make sc2 more popular. Its apparent that the koreans dont embrace sc2 as much as blizz would like to, and the reason is not in kespa, but in the game itself. Its just not that good. Its pathetic to say that bw is slowing down the progress of SC2, because its exactly the other way around.
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This is quite interesting... I'd like to see how the future would turn out
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I believe they wont just abandon BW just like that. It will put progamers out of job. =.= imagine the rage and riot by players and fans.
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I don't want BW to die because so many people on this site love it; it'd be a shame for them to lose what they love.
But I'd love to see TBLS and some other pros playing just a few games of SC2. Maybe a mini-tourney for the top 8 ranked KeSPA players. Not full time switches, not even necessarily prepared for much (or at all; would be amazing to see how quickly their RTS minds kick in and how they adapt).
Even if it was just a one-off, that'd be so awesome for both the BW and SC2 scenes. Seems like a reasonable compromise.
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On July 08 2011 20:49 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 20:43 Kafkaesk wrote:On July 08 2011 20:04 Ryo wrote:On July 08 2011 20:00 papaz wrote:On July 08 2011 19:34 Elementsu wrote:On July 08 2011 19:24 imperator-xy wrote: if that was true i would actually jizz in my pants
i love bw but BISU PLAYING SC2 would destroy my brain You don`t love bw then... -.- whats wrong with wanting to see the great players of bw playing a game you play, follow, watch and love? i love seeing july and boxer play sc2. imagine seeing Flash and Jaedong in MLG vs foreign players like idra, thorzain, naniwa etc. how can that be a bad thing? it doesn't mean we don't love bw but its time to move on. i'd much rather see the bw players go to sc2 rather than them retiring and never see them play again. For every BW player who changes to SC2, another will quit gaming completely and never be seen in a professional match again. Is that a great thing? It's one thing for both scenes to exist side by side, it's another to hope that one industry dies to benefit the other. Sc2 being an official Kespa title would rais its popularity in a huge way. There will be a giant wave of new talents and gamers who will claim the top of pro gaming. As it is already happening in the west. I remember Idra answering an interview question, if he was thinking that there will be new top players coming in SC2 and he said "No way, the old pro gamers will be on top because of their experience, and no new player will have a chance." But here they are, HuK, Select, Naniwa, winning many tournaments. BW co-existing with SC2 is a fine thing, but it's an very old title and slow downs the progress of SC2. I`m sorry, but this is very stupid. SC2 becoming official kespa game wont make sc2 more popular. Its apparent that the koreans dont embrace sc2 as much as blizz would like to, and the reason is not in kespa, but in the game itself. Its just not that good. Its pathetic to say that bw is slowing down the progress of SC2, because its exactly the other way around.
How do you know that the koreans simply don't embrace it as much?
As much as you know of interviews or events like from Jinro's perspective from the homestory cup, there is simply not much attention for SC2 in korea. And it's not surprising, why should they? BW games are broadcasted on several TV channels, the BW players are huge stars, teenage girls are watching the games, not only because of the game itself, but more because of the "boygroup hype" that's made around the players. They are stars. This huge amount of attention smothers SC2's success in korea and Kespa as the official and biggest influence in esport in Korea could bring SC2 and it's players a LOT more attention as it has right now. I don't see anything stupid in that.
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Killing BW would be so stupid
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On July 08 2011 21:02 MiraKul wrote: I believe they wont just abandon BW just like that. It will put progamers out of job. =.= imagine the rage and riot by players and fans.
Mostly fans, really. :/
Players don't even have right to get angry under Kespa's rule.
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this can only be a good thing for the sc2 scene in Korea. With Kespa comes more BW stars, more exposure, and more sponsors. The Korean public will start learning and knowing more about sc2.
I am really sad for gomtv though. They are such a good company, respectful to foreigners, paying for many foreigners travel, relinquishing their sole BW rights to stay out of the Kespa/blizzard feud... I would hope this is not some planned knife-inthe-back
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On July 08 2011 19:49 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 19:47 konadora wrote: oh fuck please dont abandon BW seriously If KeSPA abandons BW, someone else will take it up. Not that they're going to. oh yes because actually there is someone else
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I guess the Korean SC2 scene isn't developing the way Blizz had hoped.
This whole incident between GOM, Kespa and Blizz feels like a bad, bad love triangle. Blizz wanted Kespa, but Kespa played hard to get and showed zero interest. Blizz looked elsewhere for satisfaction and found GOM. GOM and Blizz gets married but Blizzard's heart has/is with Kespa. GOM finds out Blizz has been sneaking behind its back with Kespa.... and the drama continues. Stay tuned for the next episode.
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i wonder how sc2con feels about this (if the rumors are true, which i highly doubt).
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On July 08 2011 21:10 LastDance wrote: I guess the Korean SC2 scene isn't developing the way Blizz had hoped.
This whole incident between GOM, Kespa and Blizz feels like a bad, bad love triangle. Blizz wanted Kespa, but Kespa played hard to get and showed zero interest. Blizz looked elsewhere for satisfaction and found GOM. GOM and Blizz gets married but Blizzard's heart has/is with Kespa. GOM finds out Blizz has been sneaking behind its back with Kespa.... and the drama continues. Stay tuned for the next episode.
...That sounded so homo, but it actually makes sense.
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Wrong thread T_T
But well it would be cool to see some of the bigger sc1 teams switch over or start to sponsor the current sc2 scenes, althought it feels most unlikely.
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KesPAs rules suck I dont want them to sc2 :/
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I don't know about them not abandoning BW, but as I type I feel a lot more certain they're not.
Mind you, I'm not all against restreams and free high quality
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I don't think they would invite Kespa to obtain input for HotS. That makes no sense, why not invite pro sc2 players or gomtv higher ups?
The meeting most likely had something to do with kespa adopting sc2. Or maybe something about BW that they want to address?
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On July 08 2011 21:08 imperator-xy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 19:49 Ribbon wrote:On July 08 2011 19:47 konadora wrote: oh fuck please dont abandon BW seriously If KeSPA abandons BW, someone else will take it up. Not that they're going to. oh yes because actually there is someone else There isn't anyone else, because KeSPA doesn't allow their playes play on any tournament non-KeSPA related.. If KeSPA abandon BW, be sure, someone else will take it(probably GOM). But KeSPA will not abandon BW so it makes no difference.
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Kind of happy, kind of sad.
Would prefer for Kespa to begin with small support showings of SC2 and maintain the flow of BW entertainment but perhaps this transition is what SC2 needs to fully take its place as a succession to BW in Korea. Obviously SC2 has already taken over for the majority of us Foreigners.
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On July 08 2011 21:11 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:10 LastDance wrote: I guess the Korean SC2 scene isn't developing the way Blizz had hoped.
This whole incident between GOM, Kespa and Blizz feels like a bad, bad love triangle. Blizz wanted Kespa, but Kespa played hard to get and showed zero interest. Blizz looked elsewhere for satisfaction and found GOM. GOM and Blizz gets married but Blizzard's heart has/is with Kespa. GOM finds out Blizz has been sneaking behind its back with Kespa.... and the drama continues. Stay tuned for the next episode. ...That sounded so homo, but it actually makes sense.
how is it in any way homo? because you're a sexist and assumed all these corporations are men, thats why.
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On July 08 2011 21:03 Rodiel3 wrote: Killing BW would be so stupid
lol? BW is way to old and Viewer Unfriendly. Look at the 2frame animations... BW should just die and all the BW-Pros should try to make SC2 a better game for the viewers.
SC2 is the perfect RTS for eSports and it would be even better with BW gone.
This Blizzcon will have no WC3 matches. This could mean that with WC4, Blizzard could decide to stop hosting SC2 tournaments at Blizzcon, too.
Blizz stoped WC3 because the Scene is dead! All the good pros went to SC2 and the fanbase went to SC2, too! It's like the IEM thing with Quake, if the scene is dead and no one wants to see the games, they will stop to support it.
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On July 08 2011 14:39 Torte de Lini wrote: Interesting, the idea of more StarCraft II leagues in Korea is good!
But I don't want the ironclaw of Kespa T.T
Kespa and it's crazy ass system is what kept players like Iron and Zergbong from ever reaching their potential in BW.
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On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well.
this is laughable. the game isn't about its graphics. and if you actually think they'd replace bw with maverick's sc2bw, that's a joke. it isn't broodwar, it's not even cutting it as far as mechanics go. bw still has a lot of popularity, and still has a lot of time before it just phases out. to suggest that graphics is what people are looking for just shows that you have little clue as to what you're talking about -_-.
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On July 08 2011 21:28 Jedi Master wrote:lol? BW is way to old and Viewer Unfriendly. Look at the 2frame animations... BW should just die and all the BW-Pros should try to make SC2 a better game for the viewers. SC2 is the perfect RTS for eSports and it would be even better with BW gone.
ya d00d i only buy games 4 the graf1x!11!!
Kespa is not going to abandon BW, it still gets much more viewers than SC2 (~500k for an osl/msl final). That being said they may still adopt an sc2 league. One existing does not mean the death of the other!
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On July 08 2011 21:31 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:39 Torte de Lini wrote: Interesting, the idea of more StarCraft II leagues in Korea is good! But I don't want the ironclaw of Kespa T.T Kespa and it's crazy ass system is what kept players like Iron and Zergbong from ever reaching their potential in BW.
I guess Kespa was keeping me from reaching my potentional too, because I used to be D+, now I`m in masters.
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On July 08 2011 21:31 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:39 Torte de Lini wrote: Interesting, the idea of more StarCraft II leagues in Korea is good! But I don't want the ironclaw of Kespa T.T Kespa and it's crazy ass system is what kept players like Iron and Zergbong from ever reaching their potential in BW.
What the hell are you talking about? Zergbong just flat out sucked, and iron was good but chocked in televised matches. Hardly Kespa's fault.
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On July 08 2011 21:28 Jedi Master wrote:lol? BW is way to old and Viewer Unfriendly. Look at the 2frame animations... BW should just die and all the BW-Pros should try to make SC2 a better game for the viewers. SC2 is the perfect RTS for eSports and it would be even better with BW gone.
Brood War should just die? *Ahem* FUCK YOU >:-( I know I'll probably just be banned because I'm trying to assert my opinion over someone else's but saying that BW is old and viewer unfriendly is like saying that sparkly colors and a more recent release date are the only reasons to watch SC2 over BW. Don't disrespect nigh on 13 years of sweat and blood and incalculable bliss from fans the world over because it's "old". People like you are the reason... never mind. Sorry. My bad admins. I just. Posts like this make me sad. Really sad.
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Are you sure this article isn't about them trying to work out the Broodwar contract that was a huge deal a few months ago?
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On July 08 2011 21:02 MiraKul wrote: I believe they wont just abandon BW just like that. It will put progamers out of job. =.= imagine the rage and riot by players and fans.
it's more likely to put the current SC2 players out of jobs.
Memorize the first page of the BW elo ranking, because that's going to be the front page of the SC2 Korea elo ranking if this happens
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On July 08 2011 21:34 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:31 ShatterZer0 wrote:On July 08 2011 14:39 Torte de Lini wrote: Interesting, the idea of more StarCraft II leagues in Korea is good! But I don't want the ironclaw of Kespa T.T Kespa and it's crazy ass system is what kept players like Iron and Zergbong from ever reaching their potential in BW. What the hell are you talking about? Zergbong just flat out sucked, and iron was good but chocked in televised matches. Hardly Kespa's fault. Iron was not good. Good but used to choke in televised matches was Jaehoon.
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Kespa is not going to abandon BW, it still gets much more viewers than SC2 (~500k for an osl/msl final).
source?
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On July 08 2011 21:26 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:11 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:10 LastDance wrote: I guess the Korean SC2 scene isn't developing the way Blizz had hoped.
This whole incident between GOM, Kespa and Blizz feels like a bad, bad love triangle. Blizz wanted Kespa, but Kespa played hard to get and showed zero interest. Blizz looked elsewhere for satisfaction and found GOM. GOM and Blizz gets married but Blizzard's heart has/is with Kespa. GOM finds out Blizz has been sneaking behind its back with Kespa.... and the drama continues. Stay tuned for the next episode. ...That sounded so homo, but it actually makes sense. how is it in any way homo? because you're a sexist and assumed all these corporations are men, thats why.
Last time I checked, all the representatives in those companies are men.
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On July 08 2011 21:35 Gann1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:02 MiraKul wrote: I believe they wont just abandon BW just like that. It will put progamers out of job. =.= imagine the rage and riot by players and fans. it's more likely to put the current SC2 players out of jobs. Memorize the first page of the BW elo ranking, because that's going to be the front page of the SC2 Korea elo ranking if this happens This is so wrong...the likes of Flash and Jaedong will do well but they won't just carve up the GSL. If the KeSPA training regiment kicks in then it's possible, but there's no way that the likes of NesTea will be second-class.
Speaking of NesTea, in BW he played 2v2s and then coached. MC was put into proleague before he was ready. Nada, Boxer etc won starleagues, and they're not top ELO. I agree that the top BW players would do well but your comment is a bit over the top imo
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On July 08 2011 21:34 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:28 Jedi Master wrote:On July 08 2011 21:03 Rodiel3 wrote: Killing BW would be so stupid lol? BW is way to old and Viewer Unfriendly. Look at the 2frame animations... BW should just die and all the BW-Pros should try to make SC2 a better game for the viewers. SC2 is the perfect RTS for eSports and it would be even better with BW gone. Brood War should just die? *Ahem* FUCK YOU >:-( I know I'll probably just be banned because I'm trying to assert my opinion over someone else's but saying that BW is old and viewer unfriendly is like saying that sparkly colors and a more recent release date are the only reasons to watch SC2 over BW. Don't disrespect nigh on 13 years of sweat and blood and incalculable bliss from fans the world over because it's "old". People like you are the reason... never mind. Sorry. My bad admins. I just. Posts like this make me sad. Really sad.
you should actually delete this before you're actually banned. juss sayin.
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On July 08 2011 21:31 DuckS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. this is laughable. the game isn't about its graphics. and if you actually think they'd replace bw with maverick's sc2bw, that's a joke. it isn't broodwar, it's not even cutting it as far as mechanics go. bw still has a lot of popularity, and still has a lot of time before it just phases out. to suggest that graphics is what people are looking for just shows that you have little clue as to what you're talking about -_-.
Graphics may not matter for seasoned fans like you, but it does matter to casual viewers. (people who watch Husky's and HDStarcraft's stream)
And it's always better to cater to the lowest common denominator.
That's common business practice.
On July 08 2011 21:34 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:28 Jedi Master wrote:On July 08 2011 21:03 Rodiel3 wrote: Killing BW would be so stupid lol? BW is way to old and Viewer Unfriendly. Look at the 2frame animations... BW should just die and all the BW-Pros should try to make SC2 a better game for the viewers. SC2 is the perfect RTS for eSports and it would be even better with BW gone. Brood War should just die? *Ahem* FUCK YOU >:-( I know I'll probably just be banned
I see martyrin' I see bannin'
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On July 08 2011 21:40 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:35 Gann1 wrote:On July 08 2011 21:02 MiraKul wrote: I believe they wont just abandon BW just like that. It will put progamers out of job. =.= imagine the rage and riot by players and fans. it's more likely to put the current SC2 players out of jobs. Memorize the first page of the BW elo ranking, because that's going to be the front page of the SC2 Korea elo ranking if this happens This is so wrong...the likes of Flash and Jaedong will do well but they won't just carve up the GSL. If the KeSPA training regiment kicks in then it's possible, but there's no way that the likes of NesTea will be second-class. Speaking of NesTea, in BW he played 2v2s and then coached. MC was put into proleague before he was ready. Nada, Boxer etc won starleagues, and they're not top ELO. I agree that the top BW players would do well but your comment is a bit over the top imo
nada hasn't been good since 2007
boxer hasn't been good since 2005 (Sorry Emperor, I still love you)
july hasn't been good since 2006, aside from one lucky run in 2008 where he faced all protosses who were godawful at pvz on his way to his third title
All the players who are good NOW would dominate sc2 after like a month of serious practice
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On July 08 2011 21:42 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:31 DuckS wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. this is laughable. the game isn't about its graphics. and if you actually think they'd replace bw with maverick's sc2bw, that's a joke. it isn't broodwar, it's not even cutting it as far as mechanics go. bw still has a lot of popularity, and still has a lot of time before it just phases out. to suggest that graphics is what people are looking for just shows that you have little clue as to what you're talking about -_-. Graphics may not matter for seasoned fans like you, but it does matter to casual viewers. (people who watch Husky's and HDStarcraft's stream) And it's always better to cater to the lowest common denominator. That's common business practice.
Thats why sc2 is way more popular than bw in korea.
Oh wait. Da fangurlz don't care about graphics lol.
On July 08 2011 21:28 Jedi Master wrote:lol? BW is way to old and Viewer Unfriendly. Look at the 2frame animations... BW should just die and all the BW-Pros should try to make SC2 a better game for the viewers. SC2 is the perfect RTS for eSports and it would be even better with BW gone. Show nested quote +This Blizzcon will have no WC3 matches. This could mean that with WC4, Blizzard could decide to stop hosting SC2 tournaments at Blizzcon, too. Blizz stoped WC3 because the Scene is dead! All the good pros went to SC2 and the fanbase went to SC2, too! It's like the IEM thing with Quake, if the scene is dead and no one wants to see the games, they will stop to support it.
lol
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On July 08 2011 21:44 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:42 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:31 DuckS wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. this is laughable. the game isn't about its graphics. and if you actually think they'd replace bw with maverick's sc2bw, that's a joke. it isn't broodwar, it's not even cutting it as far as mechanics go. bw still has a lot of popularity, and still has a lot of time before it just phases out. to suggest that graphics is what people are looking for just shows that you have little clue as to what you're talking about -_-. Graphics may not matter for seasoned fans like you, but it does matter to casual viewers. (people who watch Husky's and HDStarcraft's stream) And it's always better to cater to the lowest common denominator. That's common business practice. Thats why sc2 is way more popular than bw in korea. Oh wait. Da fangurlz don't care about graphics lol.
Da fangurlz have no idea about SC2, that's why.
They aren't exactly the most informed fans.
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On July 08 2011 21:46 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:44 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 21:42 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:31 DuckS wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. this is laughable. the game isn't about its graphics. and if you actually think they'd replace bw with maverick's sc2bw, that's a joke. it isn't broodwar, it's not even cutting it as far as mechanics go. bw still has a lot of popularity, and still has a lot of time before it just phases out. to suggest that graphics is what people are looking for just shows that you have little clue as to what you're talking about -_-. Graphics may not matter for seasoned fans like you, but it does matter to casual viewers. (people who watch Husky's and HDStarcraft's stream) And it's always better to cater to the lowest common denominator. That's common business practice. Thats why sc2 is way more popular than bw in korea. Oh wait. Da fangurlz don't care about graphics lol. Da fangurlz have no idea about SC2, that's why. They aren't exactly the most informed fans.
Who are you again?
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On July 08 2011 21:44 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:42 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:31 DuckS wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. this is laughable. the game isn't about its graphics. and if you actually think they'd replace bw with maverick's sc2bw, that's a joke. it isn't broodwar, it's not even cutting it as far as mechanics go. bw still has a lot of popularity, and still has a lot of time before it just phases out. to suggest that graphics is what people are looking for just shows that you have little clue as to what you're talking about -_-. Graphics may not matter for seasoned fans like you, but it does matter to casual viewers. (people who watch Husky's and HDStarcraft's stream) And it's always better to cater to the lowest common denominator. That's common business practice. Thats why sc2 is way more popular than bw in korea. Oh wait. Da fangurlz don't care about graphics lol. Nor do they care about gameplay to be honest. I worry for BW's future without TBLS around.
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On July 08 2011 21:47 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:46 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:44 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 21:42 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:31 DuckS wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. this is laughable. the game isn't about its graphics. and if you actually think they'd replace bw with maverick's sc2bw, that's a joke. it isn't broodwar, it's not even cutting it as far as mechanics go. bw still has a lot of popularity, and still has a lot of time before it just phases out. to suggest that graphics is what people are looking for just shows that you have little clue as to what you're talking about -_-. Graphics may not matter for seasoned fans like you, but it does matter to casual viewers. (people who watch Husky's and HDStarcraft's stream) And it's always better to cater to the lowest common denominator. That's common business practice. Thats why sc2 is way more popular than bw in korea. Oh wait. Da fangurlz don't care about graphics lol. Da fangurlz have no idea about SC2, that's why. They aren't exactly the most informed fans. Who are you again?
Long time lurker.
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Why the fuck do people think the entire scene revolves around TBLS. Do people forget about the popular guys like Snow, Movie, Best, Zero, Soulkey, Midas, Baby, Hydra, Effort, Leta, Hiya, Firebathero, Calm, Free, etc?
There are more than 4 progamers, and TBLS leaving the scene would just make it so that these guys shine even more. Of course them leaving for sc2 would be bad for bw, but they know better than to waste their time on a game that doesn't even have salaries.
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On July 08 2011 21:40 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:35 Gann1 wrote:On July 08 2011 21:02 MiraKul wrote: I believe they wont just abandon BW just like that. It will put progamers out of job. =.= imagine the rage and riot by players and fans. it's more likely to put the current SC2 players out of jobs. Memorize the first page of the BW elo ranking, because that's going to be the front page of the SC2 Korea elo ranking if this happens This is so wrong...the likes of Flash and Jaedong will do well but they won't just carve up the GSL. If the KeSPA training regiment kicks in then it's possible, but there's no way that the likes of NesTea will be second-class. Speaking of NesTea, in BW he played 2v2s and then coached. MC was put into proleague before he was ready. Nada, Boxer etc won starleagues, and they're not top ELO. I agree that the top BW players would do well but your comment is a bit over the top imo
Kespa doesn't set the training regiment, do they? O.o
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This topic seems to be, JiPrime makes thread, JiPrime argues with everyone who has a different view lol.
Not really sure what this will mean for GOMtv, but hopefully they dont get left out in the cold considering how much they've tried to do for the foreign scene. (World Championship, MLG exchange, seeding foreigners, GOM house, etc).
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On July 08 2011 21:50 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:40 Ruscour wrote:On July 08 2011 21:35 Gann1 wrote:On July 08 2011 21:02 MiraKul wrote: I believe they wont just abandon BW just like that. It will put progamers out of job. =.= imagine the rage and riot by players and fans. it's more likely to put the current SC2 players out of jobs. Memorize the first page of the BW elo ranking, because that's going to be the front page of the SC2 Korea elo ranking if this happens This is so wrong...the likes of Flash and Jaedong will do well but they won't just carve up the GSL. If the KeSPA training regiment kicks in then it's possible, but there's no way that the likes of NesTea will be second-class. Speaking of NesTea, in BW he played 2v2s and then coached. MC was put into proleague before he was ready. Nada, Boxer etc won starleagues, and they're not top ELO. I agree that the top BW players would do well but your comment is a bit over the top imo Kespa doesn't set the training regiment, do they? O.o
No thats just bullshit perpetrated by incontrol, who funny enough knows less about the korean bw scene than the average member who registered last year.
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On July 08 2011 21:50 Megaliskuu wrote: Why the fuck do people think the entire scene revolves around TBLS. Do people forget about the popular guys like Snow, Movie, Best, Zero, Soulkey, Midas, Baby, Hydra, Effort, Leta, Hiya, Firebathero, Calm, Free, etc?
There are more than 4 progamers, and TBLS leaving the scene would just make it so that these guys shine even more.
It DOES revolve around the four.
Kespa made it like that.
Most casual fans only care about TBLS, really.
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On July 08 2011 21:51 SenorChang wrote: This topic seems to be, JiPrime makes thread, JiPrime argues with everyone who has a different view lol.
Not really sure what this will mean for GOMtv, but hopefully they dont get left out in the cold considering how much they've tried to do for the foreign scene. (World Championship, MLG exchange, seeding foreigners, GOM house, etc).
I love to argue, that's why.
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On July 08 2011 21:34 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:28 Jedi Master wrote:On July 08 2011 21:03 Rodiel3 wrote: Killing BW would be so stupid lol? BW is way to old and Viewer Unfriendly. Look at the 2frame animations... BW should just die and all the BW-Pros should try to make SC2 a better game for the viewers. SC2 is the perfect RTS for eSports and it would be even better with BW gone. Brood War should just die? *Ahem* FUCK YOU >:-( I know I'll probably just be banned because I'm trying to assert my opinion over someone else's but saying that BW is old and viewer unfriendly is like saying that sparkly colors and a more recent release date are the only reasons to watch SC2 over BW. Don't disrespect nigh on 13 years of sweat and blood and incalculable bliss from fans the world over because it's "old". People like you are the reason... never mind. Sorry. My bad admins. I just. Posts like this make me sad. Really sad. I kinda agree with him. In this day, its all about the graphics and such and i think BW wont be able to attract new viewers because of its lack of appeal to the newer audience.
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On July 08 2011 21:50 Megaliskuu wrote: Why the fuck do people think the entire scene revolves around TBLS. Do people forget about the popular guys like Snow, Movie, Best, Zero, Soulkey, Midas, Baby, Hydra, Effort, Leta, Hiya, Firebathero, Calm, Free, etc?
There are more than 4 progamers, and TBLS leaving the scene would just make it so that these guys shine even more. Of course them leaving for sc2 would be bad for bw, but they know better than to waste their time on a game that doesn't even have salaries. Oh don't get me wrong I didn't mean that at all. Was just saying fangirls kind of follow the hotshots for being popular not gameplay.
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On July 08 2011 21:50 Megaliskuu wrote: Why the fuck do people think the entire scene revolves around TBLS. Do people forget about the popular guys like Snow, Movie, Best, Zero, Soulkey, Midas, Baby, Hydra, Effort, Leta, Hiya, Firebathero, Calm, Free, etc?
There are more than 4 progamers, and TBLS leaving the scene would just make it so that these guys shine even more. Of course them leaving for sc2 would be bad for bw, but they know better than to waste their time on a game that doesn't even have salaries. Who do you think attracts more fangirls? Bisu, or Effort?
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On July 08 2011 21:53 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:51 SenorChang wrote: This topic seems to be, JiPrime makes thread, JiPrime argues with everyone who has a different view lol.
Not really sure what this will mean for GOMtv, but hopefully they dont get left out in the cold considering how much they've tried to do for the foreign scene. (World Championship, MLG exchange, seeding foreigners, GOM house, etc). I love to argue, that's why. Seems counter productive, I'm less inclined to want to side with you because of your attitude
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On July 08 2011 21:48 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:47 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 21:46 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:44 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 21:42 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:31 DuckS wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. this is laughable. the game isn't about its graphics. and if you actually think they'd replace bw with maverick's sc2bw, that's a joke. it isn't broodwar, it's not even cutting it as far as mechanics go. bw still has a lot of popularity, and still has a lot of time before it just phases out. to suggest that graphics is what people are looking for just shows that you have little clue as to what you're talking about -_-. Graphics may not matter for seasoned fans like you, but it does matter to casual viewers. (people who watch Husky's and HDStarcraft's stream) And it's always better to cater to the lowest common denominator. That's common business practice. Thats why sc2 is way more popular than bw in korea. Oh wait. Da fangurlz don't care about graphics lol. Da fangurlz have no idea about SC2, that's why. They aren't exactly the most informed fans. Who are you again? Long time lurker. Long time lurker huh?
So is everyone else who decides to make a flamebait OP like you did, and then use trollish and stupid statements like you did.
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On July 08 2011 21:54 SenorChang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:51 SenorChang wrote: This topic seems to be, JiPrime makes thread, JiPrime argues with everyone who has a different view lol.
Not really sure what this will mean for GOMtv, but hopefully they dont get left out in the cold considering how much they've tried to do for the foreign scene. (World Championship, MLG exchange, seeding foreigners, GOM house, etc). I love to argue, that's why. Seems counter productive, I'm less inclined to want to side with you because of your attitude
Meh, I never asked people to rally behind me anyways.
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On July 08 2011 21:52 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:50 Megaliskuu wrote: Why the fuck do people think the entire scene revolves around TBLS. Do people forget about the popular guys like Snow, Movie, Best, Zero, Soulkey, Midas, Baby, Hydra, Effort, Leta, Hiya, Firebathero, Calm, Free, etc?
There are more than 4 progamers, and TBLS leaving the scene would just make it so that these guys shine even more. It DOES revolve around the four. Kespa made it like that. Most casual fans only care about TBLS, really.
I have to agree. If you look at BW viewers the vast majority of people are screaming fangirls. If you look at SC2 viewership it is mostly guys who actually play the game. Thus BW relies heavily on a few select star players with a lot of sex appeal.
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The idea of BW dying and is seriously killing me. I'm sorry, it wouldn't be that bad if I liked SC2 but I hate this game to death. Damn I hope these rumors aren't true.
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On July 08 2011 21:52 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:50 Megaliskuu wrote: Why the fuck do people think the entire scene revolves around TBLS. Do people forget about the popular guys like Snow, Movie, Best, Zero, Soulkey, Midas, Baby, Hydra, Effort, Leta, Hiya, Firebathero, Calm, Free, etc?
There are more than 4 progamers, and TBLS leaving the scene would just make it so that these guys shine even more. It DOES revolve around the four. Kespa made it like that. Most casual fans only care about TBLS, really.
actually they don't,most casual fans only care about one team not individual players.
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On July 08 2011 21:54 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:48 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:47 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 21:46 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:44 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 21:42 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 21:31 DuckS wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. this is laughable. the game isn't about its graphics. and if you actually think they'd replace bw with maverick's sc2bw, that's a joke. it isn't broodwar, it's not even cutting it as far as mechanics go. bw still has a lot of popularity, and still has a lot of time before it just phases out. to suggest that graphics is what people are looking for just shows that you have little clue as to what you're talking about -_-. Graphics may not matter for seasoned fans like you, but it does matter to casual viewers. (people who watch Husky's and HDStarcraft's stream) And it's always better to cater to the lowest common denominator. That's common business practice. Thats why sc2 is way more popular than bw in korea. Oh wait. Da fangurlz don't care about graphics lol. Da fangurlz have no idea about SC2, that's why. They aren't exactly the most informed fans. Who are you again? Long time lurker. Long time lurker huh? So is everyone else who decides to make a flamebait OP like you did, and then use trollish and stupid statements like you did.
Opinions, opinions.
If you don't like my thread, you can always let it die by not posting on it.
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On July 08 2011 21:54 videogames wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:50 Megaliskuu wrote: Why the fuck do people think the entire scene revolves around TBLS. Do people forget about the popular guys like Snow, Movie, Best, Zero, Soulkey, Midas, Baby, Hydra, Effort, Leta, Hiya, Firebathero, Calm, Free, etc?
There are more than 4 progamers, and TBLS leaving the scene would just make it so that these guys shine even more. Of course them leaving for sc2 would be bad for bw, but they know better than to waste their time on a game that doesn't even have salaries. Who do you think attracts more fangirls? Bisu, or Effort?
Obviously Bisu does, but do you really think tbls is bigger than the rest of the scene? Do you watch proleague? Do you see matches like ACE vs FOX with a PACKED OGN studio?
I don't expect you to know what ACE and Fox is, go tlpd it.
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On July 08 2011 21:54 videogames wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:50 Megaliskuu wrote: Why the fuck do people think the entire scene revolves around TBLS. Do people forget about the popular guys like Snow, Movie, Best, Zero, Soulkey, Midas, Baby, Hydra, Effort, Leta, Hiya, Firebathero, Calm, Free, etc?
There are more than 4 progamers, and TBLS leaving the scene would just make it so that these guys shine even more. Of course them leaving for sc2 would be bad for bw, but they know better than to waste their time on a game that doesn't even have salaries. Who do you think attracts more fangirls? Bisu, or Effort?
Leta!!!
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On July 08 2011 21:56 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:54 videogames wrote:On July 08 2011 21:50 Megaliskuu wrote: Why the fuck do people think the entire scene revolves around TBLS. Do people forget about the popular guys like Snow, Movie, Best, Zero, Soulkey, Midas, Baby, Hydra, Effort, Leta, Hiya, Firebathero, Calm, Free, etc?
There are more than 4 progamers, and TBLS leaving the scene would just make it so that these guys shine even more. Of course them leaving for sc2 would be bad for bw, but they know better than to waste their time on a game that doesn't even have salaries. Who do you think attracts more fangirls? Bisu, or Effort? Obviously Bisu does, but do you really think tbls is bigger than the rest of the scene? Do you watch proleague? Do you see matches like ACE vs FOX with a PACKED OGN studio? I don't expect you to know what ACE and Fox is, go tlpd it.
the SC2 scene is very familiar with fox man.:p
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On July 08 2011 21:56 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:54 videogames wrote:On July 08 2011 21:50 Megaliskuu wrote: Why the fuck do people think the entire scene revolves around TBLS. Do people forget about the popular guys like Snow, Movie, Best, Zero, Soulkey, Midas, Baby, Hydra, Effort, Leta, Hiya, Firebathero, Calm, Free, etc?
There are more than 4 progamers, and TBLS leaving the scene would just make it so that these guys shine even more. Of course them leaving for sc2 would be bad for bw, but they know better than to waste their time on a game that doesn't even have salaries. Who do you think attracts more fangirls? Bisu, or Effort? Obviously Bisu does, but do you really think tbls is bigger than the rest of the scene? Do you watch proleague? Do you see matches like ACE vs FOX with a PACKED OGN studio? I don't expect you to know what ACE and Fox is, go tlpd it. I think you need to calm down. So aggressive lol
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On July 08 2011 21:55 Essbee wrote: The idea of BW dying and is seriously killing me. I'm sorry, it wouldn't be that bad if I liked SC2 but I hate this game to death. Damn I hope these rumors aren't true.
Same. This is borderline nervous breakdown for me. bw dying is like losing a good friend, A member of my family.
I really think this is false rumors created by sc2 fanboys. Cause as we both know, KeSPa won't adopt sc2
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Wont believe it till I see it
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Well, they are still just rumors although this seems pretty fucking big to not be true in some sense. Although I don't follow BW competitively anymore, it would be pretty sad to see this go through, I mean if BW starts to have carpet pulled out from under them in Korea, there isn't enough of a foreign scene to keep it lucrative is there?. I really fucking hope GOM doesn't get boned from this considering the huge effort they've put in to grow esports in Korea and abroad.
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On July 08 2011 22:00 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:55 Essbee wrote: The idea of BW dying and is seriously killing me. I'm sorry, it wouldn't be that bad if I liked SC2 but I hate this game to death. Damn I hope these rumors aren't true. Same. This is borderline nervous breakdown for me. bw dying is like losing a good friend, A member of my family. I really think this is false rumors created by sc2 fanboys. Well it's gonna happen eventually, but i don't think it will happen for a few years.
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On July 08 2011 22:00 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:55 Essbee wrote: The idea of BW dying and is seriously killing me. I'm sorry, it wouldn't be that bad if I liked SC2 but I hate this game to death. Damn I hope these rumors aren't true. Same. This is borderline nervous breakdown for me. bw dying is like losing a good friend, A member of my family. I really think this is false rumors created by sc2 fanboys.
Let's hope so.
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All Hail The DCG! :D
Go back to your BW forums.
Also, irrelevant to the thread.
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On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums.
I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2
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There's no way that Kespa would abandon BW, at least not so abruptly. They'll probably be running both and will transition over to SC2. I'm pretty sure that Kespa is aware that BW is slowly and gradually declining ever so slightly over the years.
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On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2
I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2.
See what I did there?
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im not even sure that i want kespa to transfer over to sc2 considering its shady history. i like how sc2 is growing the way it is.
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hahahahaha
thank you megalisk, i needed that
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ideal would be having kespa run team leagues while gom runs individual leagues... or vice versa. either way, that would be the best of both worlds. gom has done quite a bit in helping get sc2 global, i wouldn't just write them off. they are good to us as a community.
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On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums.
ALL HAIL ME!
both of you should stop fighting.
neither of you gain anything from it.
but to be honest,OP you asked for the flamewar.
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On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there?
My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around.
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On July 08 2011 22:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. ALL HAIL ME! both of you should stop fighting. neither of you gain anything from it. but to be honest,OP you asked for the flamewar.
And I'm thoroughly enjoying the heat! :D
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On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. Also, irrelevant to the thread. Your posting is really bad ;\ I remember that savior thread lol.
Really wouldn't like to see BW dead, but would think it would be cool seeing more BW players play SC2~
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On July 08 2011 22:06 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there? My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around.
Well you can always just ignore my posts if they don't match your tastes... <.<
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I think everyone here needs to calm down since this is... 1. A rumor 2. If true, not gonna happen for a few years
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On July 08 2011 22:08 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:06 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there? My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around. Well you can always just ignore my posts if they don't match your tastes... <.<
Your posts are so bad I just really feel the need to comment, you and your DCI buddies probably made all of this up just to rile up BW fans anyways.
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On July 08 2011 22:06 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. ALL HAIL ME! both of you should stop fighting. neither of you gain anything from it. but to be honest,OP you asked for the flamewar. And I'm thoroughly enjoying the heat! :D
ok then,I'll just say this next time you translate a news post,please stick to presenting the facts.no need to post your personal opinions on because they hurt the credibility of your posts.
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On July 08 2011 22:08 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:06 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there? My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around. Well you can always just ignore my posts if they don't match your tastes... <.< "DURR HURR, I CAN POST MY OPINION IF I WANT TO BUT IF YOU TRY AND POINT OUT I AM WRONG, YOU CAN ALWAYS IGNORE IT, HURR DURR"
Could somebody hand me a baseball bat?
OnT: Some disturbing rumors, these are. Hopefully only rumors...
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So why does this thread still exist, and why is this person not banned yet?
This is the most ridiculous shit i think ive ever seen.
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On July 08 2011 22:09 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:08 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:06 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there? My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around. Well you can always just ignore my posts if they don't match your tastes... <.< Your posts are so bad I just really feel the need to comment, you and your DCI buddies probably made all of this up just to rile up BW fans anyways.
And what are you going to do about it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Look, all I did was post a translation of an article on TL and give my thoughts about it. . You don't really have to go all mad and condescending just because my opinions don't match yours.
I really don't get what's pissing you off here. :/
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On July 08 2011 22:09 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:08 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:06 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there? My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around. Well you can always just ignore my posts if they don't match your tastes... <.< Your posts are so bad I just really feel the need to comment, you and your DCI buddies probably made all of this up just to rile up BW fans anyways. He doesn't really read dcinside. If he does, then he's just posting blatant lies like "fangirls have no idea about SC2" and "BW revolves around TBLS" to start a flamewar. So just ignore him. Don't waste your energy.
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On July 08 2011 22:12 JiPrime wrote: I really don't get what's pissing you off here. :/ How about the fact that you keep retaliating when people say you are wrong? The fact that you can't seem to accept that there are people with more knowledge about the history and fanbase of the game than you do?
But no, you just have to keep flinging shit back at them as if you are the guy with most experience of BW.
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On July 08 2011 22:11 Galtakar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:08 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:06 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there? My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around. Well you can always just ignore my posts if they don't match your tastes... <.< "DURR HURR, I CAN POST MY OPINION IF I WANT TO BUT IF YOU TRY AND POINT OUT I AM WRONG, YOU CAN ALWAYS IGNORE IT, HURR DURR"
Goes both ways, imo.
Aaaand gonna stop posting now.
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On July 08 2011 22:08 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:06 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there? My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around. Well you can always just ignore my posts if they don't match your tastes... <.<
You really just hate the game because of it's graphics?
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On July 08 2011 22:17 Essbee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:08 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:06 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there? My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around. Well you can always just ignore my posts if they don't match your tastes... <.< You really just hate the game because of it's graphics?
Who said I hate BW?
I just like SC2 more than BW. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I think this is the inevitable future for both of them. Blizzard should want SC2 on TV in Korea and Kespa/OGN/MBC need to start looking beyond BW. I think it makes perfect business sense for both of them.
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On July 08 2011 22:15 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:11 Galtakar wrote:On July 08 2011 22:08 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:06 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there? My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around. Well you can always just ignore my posts if they don't match your tastes... <.< "DURR HURR, I CAN POST MY OPINION IF I WANT TO BUT IF YOU TRY AND POINT OUT I AM WRONG, YOU CAN ALWAYS IGNORE IT, HURR DURR" Goes both ways, imo. Aaaand gonna stop posting now.
Good, because good sir, you appear to be somewhat lacking in knowledge of both scenes. Pplease refrain from posting until this is remedied, since it renders your opinions slightly less than correct and has a tendency to irritate more informed forum-goers.
(points for whoever gets the reference)
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On July 08 2011 22:19 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:17 Essbee wrote:On July 08 2011 22:08 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:06 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there? My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around. Well you can always just ignore my posts if they don't match your tastes... <.< You really just hate the game because of it's graphics? Who said I hate BW? I just like SC2 more than BW. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Okay, because it's seems like you kinda agreed on megalisk's post.
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Megaliskuu stop making sense, you are scaring me.
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On July 08 2011 22:21 Kipsate wrote: Megaliskuu stop making sense, you are scaring me.
I always keep it real, its just that sometimes it leads to bans, and sometimes it makes sense. This time it makes sense.
UKNOWIMSAYIN?
And don't call me megaliskuu thats my slave name.
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I really doubt kespa would abandon BW, based on what I know about the esports scene in korea it's still by far the biggest thing around. More likely they'll try to swallow the korean SC2 scene which I'm kinda torn on. On one hand it would probably get korean SC2 teams more sponsors and a lot more press, but I've heard a lot of not so awesome things about kespa and am kind of scared what they might do to the korean scene... definitely don't want a situation where koreans suddenly aren't allowed to compete in foreign events unless there's some deal in place between kespa and that league.
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Why people freaking out over this. There is no way Kespa will just stop BW in favour of SC2. Look at the amount of viewers on BW matches, one normal PL spectators is on par with GSL semi-final or so.
I think Blizzard just want Kespa to endorse the SC2 officially, like give SC2 pro-gamer the progamer title, let OGN, MBC broadcast it. I don't think Blizzard will kick GOMTV out since they have been doing a great job up until now.
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On July 08 2011 22:27 Cevari wrote: I really doubt kespa would abandon BW, based on what I know about the esports scene in korea it's still by far the biggest thing around. More likely they'll try to swallow the korean SC2 scene which I'm kinda torn on. On one hand it would probably get korean SC2 teams more sponsors and a lot more press, but I've heard a lot of not so awesome things about kespa and am kind of scared what they might do to the korean scene... definitely don't want a situation where koreans suddenly aren't allowed to compete in foreign events unless there's some deal in place between kespa and that league.
I think kespa realizes the magnitude of the foreign scene, and if they know whats best for them they would cooperate, for the good of ESPORTS, as far as SC2 goes.
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On July 08 2011 22:11 Galtakar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:08 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:06 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:04 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 Megaliskuu wrote:On July 08 2011 22:03 JiPrime wrote:All Hail The DCG! :D Go back to your BW forums. I'm on both sc2 and bw forums while watching sc2 I'm on both DCG and TL while watching sc2. See what I did there? My point is that alot of us follow both games, while you know fucking nothing about bw besides that its graphics sucks, people don't like it, and TBLS is the only reason it is around. Well you can always just ignore my posts if they don't match your tastes... <.< "DURR HURR, I CAN POST MY OPINION IF I WANT TO BUT IF YOU TRY AND POINT OUT I AM WRONG, YOU CAN ALWAYS IGNORE IT, HURR DURR" Could somebody hand me a baseball bat? OnT: Some disturbing rumors, these are. Hopefully only rumors...
Your type of language will get you banned. I would edit if I were you.
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On July 08 2011 21:28 Jedi Master wrote: lol? BW is way to old and Viewer Unfriendly. Look at the 2frame animations... BW should just die and all the BW-Pros should try to make SC2 a better game for the viewers.
SC2 is the perfect RTS for eSports and it would be even better with BW gone.
Two frame animations is actually why SC BW is better. Unit animations make unit response chunky. In Sc2 after you give you orders you first have to watch for the in build latency of 250ms. Then you have to watch your unit do their movement animation frames. And only then will it have turned around.
Vultures in SC BW respond almost instantly because they don't have to do any animations. They are crisp to control.
Even when Blizzard fixes the ball vs ball AI, this will still be in the way of making SC2 superior to SCBW.
As for graphics, many people play on the lowest settings, which are uglier than SC BW.
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On July 08 2011 21:44 Megaliskuu wrote: CUT
That's right though, fangirls don't even know/care about the game itself, they like the player's looks and that's it.
I always find this amusing in and for itself, even if it ends up saddening me anyway....
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On July 08 2011 22:34 Hekisui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:28 Jedi Master wrote: lol? BW is way to old and Viewer Unfriendly. Look at the 2frame animations... BW should just die and all the BW-Pros should try to make SC2 a better game for the viewers.
SC2 is the perfect RTS for eSports and it would be even better with BW gone.
Two frame animations is actually why SC BW is better. Unit animations make unit response chunky. In Sc2 after you give you orders you first have to watch for the in build latency of 250ms. Then you have to watch your unit do their movement animation frames. And only then will it have turned around. Vultures in SC BW respond almost instantly because they don't have to do any animations. They are crisp to control.
MKP's marine micro would like to talk to you.
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On July 08 2011 22:43 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:34 Hekisui wrote:On July 08 2011 21:28 Jedi Master wrote: lol? BW is way to old and Viewer Unfriendly. Look at the 2frame animations... BW should just die and all the BW-Pros should try to make SC2 a better game for the viewers.
SC2 is the perfect RTS for eSports and it would be even better with BW gone.
Two frame animations is actually why SC BW is better. Unit animations make unit response chunky. In Sc2 after you give you orders you first have to watch for the in build latency of 250ms. Then you have to watch your unit do their movement animation frames. And only then will it have turned around. Vultures in SC BW respond almost instantly because they don't have to do any animations. They are crisp to control. MKP's marine micro would like to talk to you. That's mostly because the animation of marines is one of the shortest in the game. :p
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On July 08 2011 22:34 Hekisui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 21:28 Jedi Master wrote: lol? BW is way to old and Viewer Unfriendly. Look at the 2frame animations... BW should just die and all the BW-Pros should try to make SC2 a better game for the viewers.
SC2 is the perfect RTS for eSports and it would be even better with BW gone.
Two frame animations is actually why SC BW is better. Unit animations make unit response chunky. In Sc2 after you give you orders you first have to watch for the in build latency of 250ms. Then you have to watch your unit do their movement animation frames. And only then will it have turned around. Vultures in SC BW respond almost instantly because they don't have to do any animations. They are crisp to control. Even when Blizzard fixes the ball vs ball AI, this will still be in the way of making SC2 superior to SCBW. As for graphics, many people play on the lowest settings, which are uglier than SC BW.
Units may be more responsive, but the AI can be completely ridiculous to work with. Even with these differences, however, each game requires finesse. The finesse for each game is punctuated by different aspects, but they still require a great deal of practice to master.
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On July 08 2011 22:40 PlosionCornu wrote:That's right though, fangirls don't even know/care about the game itself, they like the player's looks and that's it. I always find this amusing in and for itself, even if it ends up saddening me anyway.... It's not true though. Fangirls not only know about the game itself, they also play a fair bit of it. They're not as competitive as the guys but they do have knowledge of the game and discuss about it.
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why can't we never have civil-friendly discussions these days ?
also: some confirmation would be lovely, but the GOM quote might be that?
again, we don't really know what is true and not, and even more can't start to predict the future of Blizz/Kespa/Gom future relations, but i have to also say: Kespa won't all the sudden stop supporting/doing Brood War, i just can't see that happen when the game is still going good, the players are still rockstars, and the games they play gets better and better
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On July 08 2011 22:49 SmoKim wrote:why can't we never have civil-friendly discussions these days ? also: some confirmation would be lovely, but the GOM quote might be that? again, we don't really know what is true and not, and even more can't start to predict the future of Blizz/Kespa/Gom future relations, but i have to also say: Kespa won't all the sudden stop supporting/doing Brood War, i just can't see that happen when the game is still going good, the players are still rockstars, and the games they play gets better and better
The Gom quote could easily be taken as.
" we had no knowledge of this rumor until later," Just taking from english translation that seem very biased. If Gom knew. I doubt it would be a rumor and not something that had been announced
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On July 08 2011 22:48 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:40 PlosionCornu wrote:On July 08 2011 21:44 Megaliskuu wrote: CUT That's right though, fangirls don't even know/care about the game itself, they like the player's looks and that's it. I always find this amusing in and for itself, even if it ends up saddening me anyway.... It's not true though. Fangirls not only know about the game itself, they also play a fair bit of it. They're not as competitive as the guys but they do have knowledge of the game and discuss about it. Which is backed up by the fanchanting during tense moments and most of them sitting on their seats edge during a great game.
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Anything involving KESPA abandoning BW is bullshit.
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On July 08 2011 22:43 JiPrime wrote: MKP's marine micro would like to talk to you.
Numbers don't lie. What players can do despite the inherent limitations of the SC2 game engine doesn't speak to the credit of the SC2 game engine. And the SC2 engine was actually supposed to be designed for esports and play at 200 apm.
On July 08 2011 22:47 aksfjh wrote:
Units may be more responsive, but the AI can be completely ridiculous to work with. Even with these differences, however, each game requires finesse. The finesse for each game is punctuated by different aspects, but they still require a great deal of practice to master.
Compared to how the ball vs ball AI negatively affects the game at the highest level, the SC BW pathing is basically completely irrelevant. All players already know that the pathfinding fails if you order it to a certain place. So the bug never actually enters play. Obviously it's bad that it is there. Blizzard could have fixed it but contrary to belief they abandoned SC BW pretty quickly and only did superficial patches.
And do you realize that SC2 pathfinding actually still has the same problem? It just occurs way less often. But the general problem is still there. And that despite units being able to push each other away.
And skill wise SC2 doesn't compare to SC BW. How is SC2 harder than WC3?
The article says that Kespa will help Blizzard make WotS. This is what we called for before beta because we realized Blizzard was clueless about SC BW and RTS esports. But Blizzard was at battle with Kespa so they didn't listen and made an inferior game compared to what they could have done. SC2 is not esports proof.
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This isn't supposed to be BW vs Sc2...
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Im amazed by the shalowness of some people on this forum being unable to see the big picture, we all know TL is a big community and that its visited by almost everyone following BW and SC2 and some people who don't play at all but like checking it out.
So a rumor gets released about "Blizzard discussing options with KESPA"
You get people divided into few groups GOM Lovers (of which myself am one) KeSPA and Blizzard haters and the KeSPA lovers due to the fact of TV channels.
Some are worried BW will die, some that foreigners will get shut down if KeSPA enters SC2 community etc.
What your failing to realize this discussion is good for all parties involved directly or indirectly.
GOM with their current expirience proved they do a remarkable job and might even outclass KeSPA (and imho it will, its just a matter of time) Korea is just one Country and even though its the most developed ESport one SC2 provides options of development that BW did not (don't want to explain this too much, you get it or you don't)
With the current cooperation GOM has with foreigners they will have overall support over KeSPA by anyone sane, and they could already do something like UFC did with Spike and im sure they're capable of getting their matches streamed by other channels, and a strong possibility of starting channels like OGN, MBC and entering lucrative partnerships.
Hell If I was a GOM executive I'd release this sort of rumor if I had a deal going on that I want to make sure to suceed.
Simply put GOM isn't going anywhere, its going EVERYWHERE.
The other reason for releasing such a rumor would be Blizzard trying to get bids up once contracts expire, but this is not their M.O. so I highly doubt it.
And all 3 companies have much smarter people then myself, so people... relax, enjoy the game and have fun at the end of the day thats whats important.
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On July 08 2011 22:56 Megaliskuu wrote: This isn't supposed to be BW vs Sc2... HA! You made it that way. lol
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My new pet peeve: SC2 fans prefacing their comments with 'i love BW but...'.
No, you don't love BW.
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I never compared the games, I only commented on the state of their respective scenes.
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On July 08 2011 22:48 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:40 PlosionCornu wrote:On July 08 2011 21:44 Megaliskuu wrote: CUT That's right though, fangirls don't even know/care about the game itself, they like the player's looks and that's it. I always find this amusing in and for itself, even if it ends up saddening me anyway.... It's not true though. Fangirls not only know about the game itself, they also play a fair bit of it. They're not as competitive as the guys but they do have knowledge of the game and discuss about it.
I was not aware of that, I just assumed that they were akin to fangirls of other sports (like soccer)...
I'm happy to learn that that's not the case.
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On July 08 2011 22:55 Hekisui wrote: Numbers don't lie. What players can do despite the inherent limitations of the SC2 game engine doesn't speak to the credit of the SC2 game engine. And the SC2 engine was actually supposed to be designed for esports and play at 200 apm.
Animation time has nothing to do with SC2's engine. SC2's engine is more than capable of replicating BW in every way (except being 2d).
Not gonna bother with the rest of this troll post, just clearing that up for anyone who doesn't know.
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On July 08 2011 22:58 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 22:56 Megaliskuu wrote: This isn't supposed to be BW vs Sc2... HA! You made it that way. lol
you are quick to point fingers.
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On July 08 2011 22:58 shurgen wrote: My new pet peeve: SC2 fans prefacing their comments with 'i love BW but...'.
No, you don't love BW.
Well at least it stops the instant aggro.
We love both BW and SC2.
We just love SC2 more.
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ooh, i def prefered osl msl proleague format vs gsl
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On July 08 2011 15:01 RaLakedaimon wrote: People saying that BW should phase out because of graphics aren't true SC believers imo and when SC3 comes out they will be the ones saying "SC2 is shit because they don't have the new shader effects" lol.
But saying graphics is the main reason is ridiculous, most players I watch play even SC2 on all low without all the fancy stuff. Yes, many players is playing on low or medium settings to get rid of all the fancy and shiny stuff ingame that can be annoying when YOU ARE PLAYING. But the fact is that observers and streamers can show the game in ultra settings and the game looks pretty damn fine when you do that. And in todays market graphics is a huge part to get new players to your game and even sponsors. Can you see ATI or any other company advertise their new monster GFX in Brood War when the game can be played on my homemade computer I made of some bread and my toilet seat? No, of course not. But they can advertise it for Starcraft 2 because the graphics is there.
We who already love Starcraft for what it is doesn't care about graphics, but people outside of our world do and thats why no one is going down to the gamestore and is thinking like "Oh man, Im gonna by SCBW because I've heard that is an awesome game that requires alot of skill!". More likely: "Oh im gonna buy SC2 because all my friends is playing it and the graphics are so good!".
The same is happening with the best FPS in the world, CS 1.6. The scene is dying, sponsors moving to Starcraft 2 and other better looking games because they can't advertise new stuff in 1.6 because the game is so old and graphics doesn't appeal to anyone except the core players.
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Why can't Broodwar and SC2 live in harmony? Don't end broodwar.... it is way better to watch...
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On July 08 2011 23:03 Termit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:01 RaLakedaimon wrote: People saying that BW should phase out because of graphics aren't true SC believers imo and when SC3 comes out they will be the ones saying "SC2 is shit because they don't have the new shader effects" lol.
But saying graphics is the main reason is ridiculous, most players I watch play even SC2 on all low without all the fancy stuff. Yes, many players is playing on low or medium settings to get rid of all the fancy and shiny stuff ingame that can be annoying when YOU ARE PLAYING. But the fact is that observers and streamers can show the game in ultra settings and the game looks pretty damn fine when you do that. And in todays market graphics is a huge part to get new players to your game and even sponsors. Can you see ATI or any other company advertise their new monster GFX in Brood War when the game can be played on my homemade computer I made of some bread and my toilet seat? No, of course not. But they can advertise it for Starcraft 2 because the graphics is there. We who already love Starcraft for what it is doesn't care about graphics, but people outside of our world do and thats why no one is going down to the gamestore and is thinking like "Oh man, Im gonna by SCBW because I've heard that is an awesome game that requires alot of skill!". More likely: "Oh im gonna buy SC2 because all my friends is playing it and the graphics are so good!". The same is happening with the best FPS in the world, CS 1.6. The scene is dying, sponsors moving to Starcraft 2 and other better looking games because they can't advertise new stuff in 1.6 because the game is so old and graphics doesn't appeal to anyone except the core players.
Took the words right out of my keyboard.
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I just hope whatever happens SC2 will still continue to grow.
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On July 08 2011 22:59 Yaotzin wrote: Animation time has nothing to do with SC2's engine. SC2's engine is more than capable of replicating BW in every way (except being 2d).
Then why is it inferior?
Let me make an additional argument. For a game to be micro friendly it should be easy even for complete beginners to improve upon the default unit behavior. Also, the unit behavior should be completely predictable and not have a mind of it's own.
In SC2 very early in the development they got some skilled AI programmer who wrote the code for the unit AI. This person probably never watched a Korean progamer match and has no idea about SC BW, why having micro in an RTS is good and how to get an RTS with a lot of micro. Instead, they made SC2 AI very good and advanced where instead a competitive RTS requires AI that would be bad in another game.
So this person did the AI, oblivious to competitive RTS, and we on TL all complained but it was never changed.
Now we have all these new people with SC2 and they don't like to see their game bashed. Just accept I was already bashing 'your game' before you ever played it for the first time. And I did it because of objective facts. Many people that bash SC2 here were very happy to hear SC2 was being developed and had high hopes. But we all got very disillusioned about Blizzard's unwillingness to listen and to make an RTS primarily aimed at a competitive audience rather than the casual WoW audience. They were forced to 'bash' SC2 because of Blizzard. We wanted to love SC2 and switch to SC2 and drop SC BW right away.
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Stop trolling and hijacking the thread, you're not even entertaining.
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I don't know much about BW, any idea how many international tournaments there are for it?
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Guys need to realize that eventually BroodWar will not be played competitively... there's much more money and advertisement in the New than with the Old
Although I will agree BW is an amazing game that started a legacy, all things come to an end.
BW fans don't want to hear this and deny it but...it's just denial.
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On July 08 2011 23:04 GGzerG wrote: Why can't Broodwar and SC2 live in harmony? Don't end broodwar.... it is way better to watch...
I'm starting to liken bw and sc2 to Harry potter and voldermort
With Harry potter being bw and voldermort being sc2. One cannot live while the other lives. Soon it will come to an epic showdown involving a castle and hundreds of people getting killed in a big battle of the players.
I for one got my mouse ready.
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On July 08 2011 23:07 ragealot wrote: I don't know much about BW, any idea how many international tournaments there are for it? There are none, now.
WCG abandoned BW in favour of SC2.
On July 08 2011 23:09 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 23:04 GGzerG wrote: Why can't Broodwar and SC2 live in harmony? Don't end broodwar.... it is way better to watch... I'm starting to liken bw and sc2 to Harry potter and voldermort With Harry potter being bw and voldermort being sc2. One cannot live while the other lives. Soon it will come to an epic showdown involving a castle and hundreds of people getting killed in a big battle of the players. I for one got my mouse ready.
It's other way around, actually.
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On July 08 2011 23:07 ragealot wrote: I don't know much about BW, any idea how many international tournaments there are for it?
0/10 troll, I know a thing or two about trolling, and most important thing to a good troll is to stay on topic, while trolling, this has nothing to do with international scene as everyone, including bw diehards know that foreign bw is 99% dead. It was a cute effort though.
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I think it would be good if everyone just starts to play SC2. Its getting so big and having the SC BW players in it would be awesome. BW has been here long enough and its just outdated. BW has become this game which you have good memories of but when you start it up its ...ugh..this is ugly and plays crap.
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On July 08 2011 23:11 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 23:07 ragealot wrote: I don't know much about BW, any idea how many international tournaments there are for it? 0/10 troll, I know a thing or two about trolling, and most important thing to a good troll is to stay on topic, while trolling, this has nothing to do with international scene as everyone, including bw diehards know that foreign bw is 99% dead. It was a cute effort though.
woah woah,dude chill.
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On July 08 2011 23:11 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 23:07 ragealot wrote: I don't know much about BW, any idea how many international tournaments there are for it? 0/10 troll, I know a thing or two about trolling, and most important thing to a good troll is to stay on topic, while trolling, this has nothing to do with international scene as everyone, including bw diehards know that foreign bw is 99% dead. It was a cute effort though.
That word has been used so much that it lost its original meaning.
You know that he might have genuinely not know anything about the BW scene, right?
Remember, you were once new as well.
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On July 08 2011 23:03 Termit wrote: Can you see ATI or any other company advertise their new monster GFX in Brood War when the game can be played on my homemade computer I made of some bread and my toilet seat? No, of course not. But they can advertise it for Starcraft 2 because the graphics is there.
Game developer's relationship with the hardware industry is actually why gameplay is so poor in so many games the last 8 years. This argument you make is very true but also very bad for gamers who care about gameplay and to whom it doesn't matter how a game looks.
Games have become too much marketing platforms for hardware developers rather than what they originally were; games.
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On July 08 2011 23:07 ragealot wrote: I don't know much about BW, any idea how many international tournaments there are for it? With the WCG dropping it, zero.
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On July 08 2011 14:35 JiPrime wrote:
the significance of this event shows that Blizzard is genuinely willing to cooperate with Kespa despite their past conflicts. Not exactly making Kespa to completely switch over to SC2, but more likely asking their input on the HOTS expansion with pro-gaming perspective.
I really like this part of the article. This makes more sense then the rest of it, and means great things for this upcoming expansion.
It seems Blizzard wants HotS to do to SC2 what BW did to SC in terms of balance and overall gameplay. I hope they can succeed.
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3d BW to appease the children of today who can't cope with terrible mindbogglingly bad awful 2d graphics?
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Well this thread devolved fast.
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On July 08 2011 22:12 JiPrime wrote: And what are you going to do about it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm going to close it and give you 2 days to rest.
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