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On July 08 2011 15:01 RaLakedaimon wrote: People saying that BW should phase out because of graphics aren't true SC believers imo and when SC3 comes out they will be the ones saying "SC2 is shit because they don't have the new shader effects" lol. Comon now you can't ever speak for the entire BW foreign community or Korean BW community just because you browse some forums man, not every single fan posts there just like not all fans post on here.
BW is a beautiful game that requires insanely good mechanics and I think the main reason its not the big talk around TL anymore is because all the top foreign players switched games. They were the pillars besides Korean scene for BW and when they switched people did with them and new people hopped on board because a new awesome game had come out. But saying graphics is the main reason is ridiculous, most players I watch play even SC2 on all low without all the fancy stuff.
Yeah, but then again SC2 requires less mechanics and anybody can play it in gold league and can have quite an easy understanding of the game, so that basically drops the skill ceiling allowing more gamers become professional and it adds to the enjoyment + profit of the new lucrative SC2 ESPORTS (cuz ESPORTS is only ESPO without RTS) market. I do believe that KeSpa will eventually transition out of broodwar once the last bonjwas have left the game (JD, Flash, Bisu) and nobody can fill in their spots because there is not too much new tallent coming through the gates of Courage (tournament), and really i believe its only a matter of time (i HOPE 3-5 years, i love BW myself) that KeSpa will drop SC:BW completely in either SC2 or another game's favor.
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On July 08 2011 15:08 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:05 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point? Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly. The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained. And DES is extremely anti-SC2. FFS, they are calling GSL an event league. THey called GSL an event league ages ago (when boxer retired), why still bitter about it? and yes it's common knowledge that DES has been anti sc2. Note how i talked about fomos and not des... Fomos is very harsh on KeSPA and has been very pro blizzard in the past. one of their writers even went to Blizzard HQ for HOTS preview. =/
Well I still stand on the fact that Fomos isn't really credible.
Let's leave it at that.
This is getting real ugly.
I prefer TIG, btw. :/
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On July 08 2011 14:55 Blackrobe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote:On July 08 2011 14:45 JiPrime wrote: Well, let's face it.
It's an old game running on 4:3 screen ratio with 640 x 480 resolution with 256 colors.
The visual appeal is not there anymore. ;_;
Unless Kespa is willing to use MavericK's SC2BW mod, I don't really think Kespa will stick to the old BW.
They've seen the success of foreign sc2 leagues and now they want to jump into the market as well. .......................... I... just don't know what to say. Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that. He did not make a mistake, what he says is true. Sadly enough.
Yep. The foreign market looks very juicy. His opinion about visual appeal is off though. I didn't play BW for most of my teenage years because of graphics, and I'm sure 99% of others didn't either.
Still, as long as there is money from sponsors, BW will keep going.
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On July 08 2011 15:10 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff. And by retire you mean transition into SC2 and clean house? This could be a great opportunity for some players. I hope KeSPa can run both scenes at the same time because that would be truly amazing
Yes I do
"retire from sc1"***
I can't wait to see Stork go mass carriers lol. Or may be mass colossi would be his new thing.
And that would be really sick, though I think it would still be hard to grow the SC2 scene, unless I underestimate Kespa's advertising/influence :D
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On July 08 2011 15:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:10 bkrow wrote:On July 08 2011 15:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff. And by retire you mean transition into SC2 and clean house? This could be a great opportunity for some players. I hope KeSPa can run both scenes at the same time because that would be truly amazing Yes I do "retire from sc1"*** I can't wait to see Stork go mass carriers lol. Or may be mass colossi would be his new thing. And that would be really sick, though I think it would still be hard to grow the SC2 scene, unless I underestimate Kespa's advertising/influence :D
If they get SC2 on OGN/MBC its gg.
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JiPrime cmon. You sound about as unbiased as superdanielman. Practice your reading comprehension.
Read the part of milkis' post that comes after "My point is", and realize that none of your responses to his posts have anything to do with his point.
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On July 08 2011 15:11 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:08 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:05 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 15:01 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 15:00 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:58 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:57 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:54 Milkis wrote:On July 08 2011 14:53 JiPrime wrote:On July 08 2011 14:49 Torte de Lini wrote: [quote]
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I...
just don't know what to say.
Is that really your standpoint? I agree it isn't pretty in comparison to more recent games, but BW is so much more than that.
Well, let's see... -I speak, write, read Korean and English fluently. -I browse through mainstream Korean news sites everyday. (Chosun, Joongang, Donga, Naver, etc.) -I am also part of the PlayXP community and DC Starcraft 2 Gallery. -The members there are my sources of information. -Some of them have been following BW scene since its birth. -I am merely echoing one of their opinions on the matter. Well? Doesn't validate your opinion in any sort of way especially since PlayXP and SC2 galleries are obviously biased. Oh come on, hardly anyone in Korean communities are not biased right now. You should know better than I do regarding that. 스꼴 vs 스투충??? My point is that listening to members is not a valid source of anything, especially PlayXP which is a remnant of a wc3 forum anyway :| They are better than DC BW gallery people, anyways. Regardless of their origins, PlayXP is the biggest Korean SC2 fansite right now. Many GomTV staffs browse their forums. Yes and nearly every korean esports insider browses fomos and the community. what's your point? Fomos and DailyEsports are obviously Kespa-friendly. The SC2 section of Fomos site is not even properly maintained. And DES is extremely anti-SC2. FFS, they are calling GSL an event league. THey called GSL an event league ages ago (when boxer retired), why still bitter about it? and yes it's common knowledge that DES has been anti sc2. Note how i talked about fomos and not des... Fomos is very harsh on KeSPA and has been very pro blizzard in the past. one of their writers even went to Blizzard HQ for HOTS preview. =/ Well I still stand on the fact that Fomos isn't really credible. Let's leave it at that. This is getting real ugly. I prefer TIG, btw. :/
Since when has Fomos not been credible?
And TIG and Fomos are completely different so why are you comparing?
I think your opinions are malformed since you only read stuff from one source. just saying :[
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The best solution would be Blizzard will update BW with better graphics and call it SCBW:2013 and continue the BW scene in Korea.
SC2 is getting better and better with 2 more expansion to go, but BW gameplay is still much more fun to watch...
Hey I can only dream rite?..
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The exclusive broadcast agreement between GomTV and Blizzard was signed when? May of last year? Any massive changeover is still 10 months to a year away, but this will make following news in the upcoming offseason even more nerve wracking for all of us that hope to see BW continue to coexist with BW for longer than that.
I don't see KeSPA dropping BW that soon personally so I don't see any reason to worry yet.
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On July 08 2011 15:13 Sayer wrote: The best solution would be Blizzard will update BW with better graphics and call it SCBW:2013 and continue the BW scene in Korea.
SC2 is getting better and better with 2 more expansion to go, but BW gameplay is still much more fun to watch...
Hey I can only dream rite?..
I actually like BW's graphics. Granted the engine does have some limits but all those pixels have really grown on me
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It has been reported that Kespa is planning to abandon its 10-year old eSports game, Brood War, and adopt SC2 as part of their approved games.
Ruh roh, I would seriously cry for a while if this happened, BW and SC2 can live together!! There's no need to get rid of BW, what about all of the players?! More importantly, what about ACE ?!??
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On July 08 2011 15:13 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 08 2011 15:10 bkrow wrote:On July 08 2011 15:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it'll be sad to see top players in BW (like flash jaedong stork bisu) have to "retire" during the middle of their peaks I guess that's just how it is though, and at least a good amount of skill transfers, just not the experience Either way, the more leagues, the better. I think most people can agree they don't want GSL being the only main league. Like in BW they had OSL and MSL and stuff. And by retire you mean transition into SC2 and clean house? This could be a great opportunity for some players. I hope KeSPa can run both scenes at the same time because that would be truly amazing Yes I do "retire from sc1"*** I can't wait to see Stork go mass carriers lol. Or may be mass colossi would be his new thing. And that would be really sick, though I think it would still be hard to grow the SC2 scene, unless I underestimate Kespa's advertising/influence :D If they get SC2 on OGN/MBC its gg.
We'll see how they do when they are broadcasting SC2 WCG matches.
But from my sources, both stations are ill equipped to broadcast anything in genuine high quality HD.
It's gonna be painful to watch SC2 in 320p. X(
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If this does happen, either there will be a need for new teams with all the BW talent switching over, or a lot of SC2 players are gonna be pushed by the wayside by the BW talent rolling in.
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Can we please drop the SC2 vs BW discussion? Superior graphics, superior game, etc... it's all bullshit.
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Not sure if good or bad news... I don't they'd abandon BW.
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On July 08 2011 15:14 a9arnn wrote:Show nested quote +It has been reported that Kespa is planning to abandon its 10-year old eSports game, Brood War, and adopt SC2 as part of their approved games. Ruh roh, I would seriously cry for a while if this happened, BW and SC2 can live together!! There's no need to get rid of BW, what about all of the players?! More importantly, what about ACE ?!??
I agree. I pray they don't get rid of broodwar. I love watching it along with sc2. If they get rid of bw i will be very sad :/.
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Maybe Kespa will gain a lot of money from an SC2 league, and will then inject it into the BW league :p
I don't know a ton as I'm a relative new-comer to the scene, but I can dream, right?
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On July 08 2011 15:17 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 15:14 a9arnn wrote:It has been reported that Kespa is planning to abandon its 10-year old eSports game, Brood War, and adopt SC2 as part of their approved games. Ruh roh, I would seriously cry for a while if this happened, BW and SC2 can live together!! There's no need to get rid of BW, what about all of the players?! More importantly, what about ACE ?!?? I agree. I pray they don't get rid of broodwar. I love watching it along with sc2. If they get rid of bw i will be very sad :/.
At the very least, I hope Kespa gives a good goodbye to BW when the time arrives...
Like how they did with Yellow.
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This seems like a great opportunity. However, only time will tell since GOM and Blizzard have a licensing agreement for the next 10-11 months I believe.
My question is this though. What does this mean for the foreign community and progamers? Would they need to get a license to compete like Kespa requires now? I know it's just speculation, but I think it's a fair question.
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I feel very selfish when I say I hope they get rid of BW. I didn't grow up with it like the rest of you did, but I completely understand how amazing of a game it is and how incredible JD, Flash, Bisu, Stork, etc. are. So I take my selfishness and hope that they switch so we can see complete domination in Sc2.
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