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On August 30 2011 01:13 acrimoneyius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 01:09 jj33 wrote: Nice work. But you say you count Koreans as of Korean descent and living in Korea.
Using that criteria, you are being inconsistent. You count select as a foreigner just because he lives in America, but you still count huk as a foreigner when he's living in korea.
either you count select as a korean and huk foreigner or count huk as a korean as well.
I don't agree with all these arbitrary rules, I view huk as a foreigner and select as a korean.
but I wanted to bring that up as your criteria isn't consistent.
Uhh...yes it is? He says they have to both be korean and living in korea. Neither Huk or Select fulfill both of those requirements...
No it's not.
He's saying you have to be Korean descent and living in korea to be considered korean.
yet he counts select as a foreigner, even though he is a Korean citizen. Huk is a Canadian citizen I believe and he trains in korea and lives there currently, then he should be considered a korean by his criteria.
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On August 30 2011 01:03 SafeAsCheese wrote: Trickster screwing up the koreans win rates, lolz
Yea i know. I don't understand why Trickster is invited. There are other top tier protoss in korea atm in my opinion that deserves a invite.
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I certainly hope the foreigners can make some progress, I don't think bringing Koreans over just to see them take top5 every time is sustainable.
I think a good compromise might be to invite some Koreans who aren't top3 of their race but still have large fanbases, for example Boxer and Nada. Inviting people like Bomber or MVP... Well, the foreigner scene just isn't ready for them, and it shows.
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It will probably take another 1 or 2 years of foreigners training in Korea before we start seeing them in the top three. Bottom line, Koreans have been playing pro SC longer and thus, understand what it takes to take the game to the highest levels. I think foreigners as a whole are just starting to understand this concept (by receiving continued ass beatings from the Koreans).
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Thanks for this, definitely a very interesting write up.
I think that foreigners have the ability to breach the top 3, but the problem is that the amount of foreigners that have that ability, and actually practice enough, is so incredibly low that when it comes down to it it's going to require a good bit of luck as well as skill for any foreigner to make top 3.
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Koreans will probably be top 5-6 at Orlando too, assuming they bring a teamers. But a foreigner will, indeed, win MLG Orlando. Although, he is Korean, he is a foreigner at heart! HE IS...
DIGNITAS SELECT!!!!!! FIGHTING!!
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On August 30 2011 01:03 SafeAsCheese wrote: Trickster screwing up the koreans win rates, lolz
Yea he really messed things up. Now them white folks think they have a chance vs koreans XP
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why is select a foreigner when rain is considered a korean ?
we should just go with nationalities. its a objective and easy criteria in comparison to those other criterias like team (fxo is a foreign team. is fxosc or fxoleenock foreigner now ? what about liquid hero or eg puma ?) or place of practice (huk and jinro are practicing in korea. are they koreans ?)
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On August 30 2011 01:22 farnham wrote: why is select a foreigner when rain is considered a korean ?
we should just go with nationalities. its a objective and easy criteria in comparison to those other criterias like team (fxo is a foreign team. is fxosc or fxoleenock foreigner now ? what about liquid hero or eg puma ?) or place of practice (huk and jinro are practicing in korea. are they koreans ?)
Simple answer: Select does not live and train in Korea, Rain does. Really simple answer: It's my criteria. I choose players how I want.
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MLG doesn't have all the best foreigners there anyways. If you look to your right you'll see that out of the top 5 foreigners with the highest ELO none of them attended MLG Raleigh. It isn't worth it for most newcomers who have to go through the open bracket for just a 5000$ 1st place prize. Guys like Stephano, Mana, Sen, Thorzain can compete with Koreans yet none of them usually attend MLG. I'm not saying that it won't be a Korean top 3 but maybe not Korean top 6.
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On August 30 2011 01:15 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 01:13 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 01:09 jj33 wrote: Nice work. But you say you count Koreans as of Korean descent and living in Korea.
Using that criteria, you are being inconsistent. You count select as a foreigner just because he lives in America, but you still count huk as a foreigner when he's living in korea.
either you count select as a korean and huk foreigner or count huk as a korean as well.
I don't agree with all these arbitrary rules, I view huk as a foreigner and select as a korean.
but I wanted to bring that up as your criteria isn't consistent.
Uhh...yes it is? He says they have to both be korean and living in korea. Neither Huk or Select fulfill both of those requirements... No it's not. He's saying you have to be Korean descent and living in korea to be considered korean. yet he counts select as a foreigner, even though he is a Korean citizen. Huk is a Canadian citizen I believe and he trains in korea and lives there currently, then he should be considered a korean by his criteria.
Huk isn't of korean descent....why is this so hard for you? Simple logic.
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On August 30 2011 01:15 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 01:13 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 01:09 jj33 wrote: Nice work. But you say you count Koreans as of Korean descent and living in Korea.
Using that criteria, you are being inconsistent. You count select as a foreigner just because he lives in America, but you still count huk as a foreigner when he's living in korea.
either you count select as a korean and huk foreigner or count huk as a korean as well.
I don't agree with all these arbitrary rules, I view huk as a foreigner and select as a korean.
but I wanted to bring that up as your criteria isn't consistent.
Uhh...yes it is? He says they have to both be korean and living in korea. Neither Huk or Select fulfill both of those requirements... No it's not. He's saying you have to be Korean descent and living in korea to be considered korean. yet he counts select as a foreigner, even though he is a Korean citizen. Huk is a Canadian citizen I believe and he trains in korea and lives there currently, then he should be considered a korean by his criteria. Do you understand what AND means? He made it clear that to him Korean must be of Korean descent and living in Korea. Huk is not Korean and Select is not living in Korea.
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Good writeup, but i don´t think your conclusion is really valid as more Koreans came its more likely that overall their stats will look lower because the game has some volatility(so did BW before people jump at me).
I don´t think much progress was made IMO. I hope foreigners step it up next time
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Is it just me or are a lot of people trying to squeeze as many foreigners in as they can with these weird rules? To be korean you must be korean and live in korea, to be a foreigner you just have to be born anywhere but Korea and you can practise in Korea. Don't really care, but it seems weird, and like a way to make the foreign results look better.
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depressing, that s why im glad NASL wont have so many of them. Chances are Puma Hero and the couple others they menage to grab still all gonna finish very high. I really want big tournaments where foreigners can show who s the best amongst them.
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Something you should take into consideration is the fact that some Koreans go through the open bracket and that is basicly 2-3 free-wins vs random people.
I would count Huk as a foreigner as you want to compare players with Korean training vs player who does not have Korean training. That's what you need to figure out that it's not the fact that they are from Korea that enables them to win. It's the fact that Koreans practice better and more.
And no, you dont count Naniwa and Thorzain as Korean training as they have not been there long enough. When you decide if a player is Korean trained or not, well that's just up to you.
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On August 30 2011 01:03 SafeAsCheese wrote: Trickster screwing up the koreans win rates, lolz Nada too
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On August 30 2011 01:23 CptGrackSparrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 01:22 farnham wrote: why is select a foreigner when rain is considered a korean ?
we should just go with nationalities. its a objective and easy criteria in comparison to those other criterias like team (fxo is a foreign team. is fxosc or fxoleenock foreigner now ? what about liquid hero or eg puma ?) or place of practice (huk and jinro are practicing in korea. are they koreans ?) Simple answer: Select does not live and train in Korea, Rain does. Really simple answer: It's my criteria. I choose players how I want.
rain is living in usa afaik (studying or some shit)
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