Once you laid 20+ girls, then start screening. Lets not worry about our ideal women, if we cant even hold a 30 second conversation with a typical HB5.
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
Once you laid 20+ girls, then start screening. Lets not worry about our ideal women, if we cant even hold a 30 second conversation with a typical HB5. | ||
gugarutz
Austria110 Posts
On December 27 2011 18:18 r.Evo wrote: Also in case you get into a relationship with her she will spend the rest of her life trying to fix those "bad parts" you have while also hoping that you'll never give them up. (; you don't mean that serious do you? if you get attraction with that type of conversation it's one thing but holding that frame longer than the first few nights (aka until you got into bed with her) can't be a good base for a relationship imo?! edit: just realised it depends on how you frame it, if you frame it like "you make her jump through your hoops and be a person you like" it's imo not as good as if you frame it "you'r someone who does not give that much of a fuck and just says what he wants and everything else will be alright". i can live with the second one but not with the first one and the outcome is somewhat the same since when i don't give a fuck i automatically throw hoops. | ||
Silentness
United States2821 Posts
I know all the H.ot B.itch (insert number) jargon, the wingman, peacocking, cold approach, asshole approach, group settings, and etc. Honestly though that shit is only going to make you look like an idiot if that's not your real personality. Just be yourself. I'm married, but yeah I'm pretty sure I'll be a single man soon but that's another story. The point is... if you want to get laid or something quick, fine go ahead and use some of these cheesy pickup routines. Yeah I said cheesy like doing a 6 pool or a 4 gate SC2. It may get you to diamond/master's league if you do it every game over and over, but you'll never get to grandmaster's league if all you do is do the same basic shit. I know it sounds cliche, but I keep having to say be yourself. If you really want your relations with women or men to go well you have to be natural. Confidence is definitely key because no woman I REPEAT no woman likes a guy that can't make decisions by himself, but don't be an asshole. That whole nice guy finishes last is BULLSHIT. If you're a dick to a woman/man whoever you're trying to impress he/she will eventually start to be annoyed by you until he/she hates you. A lot of women want strong guys that they can trust to get shit done, but they don't want a strong guy that isn't a gentleman aka "an asshole". Be funny, be yourself, be sincere, caring, brush your teeth/hair all that hygiene shit, wear some decent clothes and a little bit of cologne don't smother yourself in it. Don't put the pussy on the pedestal. Remember: "You are the fucking man or woman (or whatever you are)" If you don't love yourself how the hell will someone else love you? So don't just go searching for vagina or dick just because you feel "lonely" or because you think having a girlfriend/boyfriend will complete you. The only thing that is going to complete you is yourself first of all. Once you got your shit together: Education, career, finances, your personality, and your physical appearance everything else will just fall in place. Trust me on that. /rant off | ||
r.Evo
Germany14054 Posts
On December 27 2011 18:39 Dariusz wrote: I've got one. After New Year i'm going back to my hometown and i'm going to meet with a women that i've been friends with. We haven't seen eachother for over a year now. She liked me, i liked her but it wasn't going anywhere (because i wasn't doing anything about it) and eventually i broke the rapport. I have an idea of what i want to do, and i'm going to do it, without worrying about outcome. That being said, i would gladly hear some advice and things to consider about becoming potential sex/life partner from just a friend. First of all it's important to know what kind of contact you had in the meantime. From my experience it takes around 3-5 months of no or very small contact (How are you? - I'm fine, you? - Yeah cool, oh, I g2g now.) to pretty much "erase" her emotional memory about you. Meaning, if you have changed a lot in the past year (from random whussy to cool guy I hope =P) you might get a few shit tests thrown in your direction, but she'll usually accept the "new you" without too much trouble. If that's the case, just do your normal thing and escalate properly. Usual stuff, nothing big. -You had a good time without her. -No, you had an AWESOME time during the time you had no contact. -You will tell cool stories and you leave the impression of "Wow, I didn't remember him as this awesome. Cool." Basicly absolutely standard game. HOWEVER, I doubt you really wanted to ask for this kind of advice. Is it possible that the real problem is more along the lines of "I had a huge crush on her, was too pussy to do anything about it and... I still got a crush on her."? ... OR is it more the type of "I had 30 girls during the time I wasn't with her and I just miss having her on that "list", because she "escaped" me in the first place"? What worries me is this part: "That being said, i would gladly hear some advice and things to consider about becoming potential sex/life partner from just a friend." If you have in your mind that she might be "the one", as harsh as it sounds: Get over her first before attempting anything or you'll be stuck at the exact same step again (unless you somehow manage to find that inner cave-man and let him do his job =P). On December 27 2011 19:09 gugarutz wrote: you don't mean that serious do you? if you get attraction with that type of conversation it's one thing but holding that frame longer than the first few nights (aka until you got into bed with her) can't be a good base for a relationship imo?! edit: just realised it depends on how you frame it, if you frame it like "you make her jump through your hoops and be a person you like" it's imo not as good as if you frame it "you'r someone who does not give that much of a fuck and just says what he wants and everything else will be alright". i can live with the second one but not with the first one and the outcome is somewhat the same since when i don't give a fuck i automatically throw hoops. It was probably a bad example to make that statement right after quoting that conversation, you're right. What I meant about the relationship thingy is more, that there will be certain things about where she'd say to her friends "He always does xy, and I hate it about him" while if you would ever stop doing xy just to please here you'd lose attraction. An example I can quote from my current relationship would be that I have the tendency to be brutally honest when it comes to certain things. e.g. my girlfriend is pissed off by a certain guy who tries to take her out for a coffee or dinner and she just hates the guy. When it comes to that topic I'm usually like "Well, it's your thing if you decide to let some random guy ruin your day." ... give it 30 minutes and I'm getting a "Meh.. you're right." - however, she's usually pissed in the first minutes that I seem to not care about the whole issue. Would I start listening to the entire story over and over again and start ensuring her that it's all gonna be okay and all that random stuff I'd start accepting that it's a major problem and give it room to develop. ... Does it make more sense in that context? But, yeah, a strong frame in that regard is more around the lines of "I am who I am. I like who I am. And I will stick to my values no matter who or what tries to change them." It might slide slightly off-topic, but correctly conveying this type of attitude is incredibly important when it comes to things like threesomes or open relationships and stuff which will only work if the girl knows she can trust in you keeping your word & values. (Or if you stomped her ego good enough that she thinks she deserved being treated like that, but that's another story. >_>) | ||
Dariusz
Poland657 Posts
On December 27 2011 23:49 r.Evo wrote: First of all it's important to know what kind of contact you had in the meantime. From my experience it takes around 3-5 months of no or very small contact (How are you? - I'm fine, you? - Yeah cool, oh, I g2g now.) to pretty much "erase" her emotional memory about you. Meaning, if you have changed a lot in the past year (from random whussy to cool guy I hope =P) you might get a few shit tests thrown in your direction, but she'll usually accept the "new you" without too much trouble. If that's the case, just do your normal thing and escalate properly. Usual stuff, nothing big. -You had a good time without her. -No, you had an AWESOME time during the time you had no contact. -You will tell cool stories and you leave the impression of "Wow, I didn't remember him as this awesome. Cool." Basicly absolutely standard game. Ok, that's good to hear. HOWEVER, I doubt you really wanted to ask for this kind of advice. Is it possible that the real problem is more along the lines of "I had a huge crush on her, was too pussy to do anything about it and... I still got a crush on her."? ... OR is it more the type of "I had 30 girls during the time I wasn't with her and I just miss having her on that "list", because she "escaped" me in the first place"? What worries me is this part: "That being said, i would gladly hear some advice and things to consider about becoming potential sex/life partner from just a friend." If you have in your mind that she might be "the one", as harsh as it sounds: Get over her first before attempting anything or you'll be stuck at the exact same step again (unless you somehow manage to find that inner cave-man and let him do his job =P). I've had few girls during this time, and as i mentioned, i'm going to approach this without any expectations. I'll have fun as always and be awesome | ||
Catch
United States616 Posts
On December 27 2011 18:18 r.Evo wrote: That's already a great start imo. However, right now you have the problem of conveying that and/or screening for it. Why? Because, unless you frame her behaviour into what you want for this night (that's more of a mindset I'd use for one-night stands and stuff like that) it's boring as hell to screen for those "values" or "characteristics" in a conversation. Try to rephrase that entire list into "I love xy" and "I hate xy". Conversation A: "I'd like to meet an intelligent girl who doesn't have tons of make up on." Conversation B: "I love witty girls who can smack down random guys in a discussion and I hate it when girls wear loads of make up." By sticking to this type of thinking you're more likely to use statements instead of questions ("You totally look as if you're studying medicine, right?" instead of "What are you studying?", usually best combined with some kind of tease. e.g. for me I ask like 80% of the girls I find attractive whether they study social pedagogy or chemistry. If they ask "why?" they get the "Well, you look a bit like it.") any you also (and this is imo like 90% of a good pickup) you convey personality. This one is huge. Girls aren't into a guy who "Would like some of this and maybe some of that" - they are usually most attracted by a guy who says "Those are the things I love, those are the things I hate. That's my world. Deal with it or gtfo, I can live well without people who share my views." - Don't be afraid of strong statements. It is YOUR job to create the initial attraction and THE GIRLS job to create the initial comfort. (obv not true in all cases, but let's roll with this for now). An attracted girl will show approval- and or rapport-seeking behaviour. Guy: Hey, what music are you into? Girl: Uh, almost anything, besides like hip-hop and rap. Guy: Are you kidding me? I LOVE most hip-hop and rap. There's so much good stuff out there. Girl: Uh, well, I don't know that much. But someone like Eminem is totally not my thing. Guy: WHAT THE HELL?! EMINEM IS MY FAVORITE RAPPER. He has so many great songs. Girl: Oh, well, I guess I haven't heard all of his stuff yet. Obviously blown out of proportion but that's the most classic case of rapport-seeking behaviour I can think of right now. If a girl finds you attractive it is very likely that she will cut some corners here and there to "make it happen". Also in case you get into a relationship with her she will spend the rest of her life trying to fix those "bad parts" you have while also hoping that you'll never give them up. (; Does that make sense? Bonus plan: If you're a real douche you don't make it easy for her to find the rapport with you to verify that you have her hooked properly. e.g. I look more like the metal/rock/goth type of guy and when it would come to the music discussion I would never, never bring up that type of music. Why? If I get a goth-type girl to admit that she finds hip-hop okay (LOLOL YEAH RIGHT) or a trance/techno kind of girl that she's into rap music or a hip-hop/rap chick that she's into metal I just KNOW that she's mine already. Imo a strong game when it comes to screening establishes strong rapport, teases a lot and throws her hoop after hoop that she can jump through. However, make sure to adjust those hoops to what you want exactly. I usually set up pretty hard ones since I'm into girls who have their own head, meaning if I get a girl attracted to me and she refuses to bend her values for me, that's a girl I want to be with. - However, the more you tease and the bigger your hoops are, the stronger your ability to establish rapport/comfort/connection has to be; - otherwise you just look like some random jerk who's having fun on her cost. .... What I meant with "Because, unless you frame her behaviour into what you want for this night (that's more of a mindset I'd use for one-night stands and stuff like that)" earlier is around the lines of: I want a one night stand. What qualities should a girl have that I can have fun with tonight? -she is spontaneous. -she is adventurous. -she takes what she likes. -she is not afraid of judgement. -she is discrete. Then you force her via a short story or statement into showing one of those qualities ("Have you ever done something completely crazy?" "blablabla") and reward her for the quality you want to have in her ("Wow, you're the spontaneous type of girl, I like that."). This type of qualifying is pretty cookie-cutter and has proven effective for me, however I never really got into it since it's kind of a way of putting a paper bag over her had and pretending she's someone else. I dno, this type of style just never felt natural to me, however, it's highly effective and I think the quickest (conversational) way I've gotten easy access to girls. Obviously in some cases you can straight up escalate on the dance floor and stuff like that, but yeah. Keep in mind that for BOTH OF THESE THINGS it is vital that you SPARKED ATTRACTION FIRST, otherwise you'll crash and burn pretty hard. Which also means, if you do crash during these types of conversation you somehow fucked up in getting her attracted. On another note to you & others, since I'm sick as hell, can barely talk and am living of soup and more soup right now... feel free to shout random questions or describe situations you had trouble with and I'll analyze them as good as I can. At least that beats trying to play minecraft just to find out that my head will explode when I have to think in 3D. T_T Edit: He didn't ask if it's right or wrong. He asked if it SOUNDS good or if it's too specific/general. If you're screening for too specific stuff you usually get smacked by the law of probability (gl trying to find a bisexual redhaired girl with green eyes who is into rap, loves beethoven and plays golf in her free time), if it's too general you end up with values everyone uses like "fun, cool, outgoing". Usually you wan't neither of those extremes unless you're masochistic. =P Make sure to read the first part of my post about the "sound" part. A LOT of work with women comes down to how things sound, not necessarily what they mean. I already do this to some extent myself. Although I do have a few interview questions to get the ball rolling, I'm going to just start with something like "You totally look like a girl thats into X." This was actually talked about in Models. I have conversation down pretty well actually; I always have. I've been complimented on how awesome I am to talk to before. I do need to learn to escalate (read: not be a bitch about it). [The part about conveying personality is pretty true though, I never thought about it like that. You're a mother truckin' strong man when you do this stuff, right?] Part of the reason I'm doing this is because I am also learning to set boundaries completely. Let's use video game terms; right now I have wooden walls. I want fucking steel ones. That is, I usually do have my boundaries, but they can be taken down rather easily. I'll admit that. So maybe I should have also said what I won't accept, but I didn't want to do that. It's too negative, and wasn't even part of the plan. See, this was part of the action plan given to ya at the end of models. It's phase two. I also have to figure out places where chicks like this would go, but I forgot about that. So far I have: the gym (which I hear is bad), my university (some of the classes, on campus), and uh... really I can't think of anything else. I need help with this, but I'll be thinking about it while I'm at work too. I understand that a girl will attempt to build rapport or try to qualify herself for you if there is attraction. If, in your music example, the chick was like "That's cool" instead of trying to say how she doesn't know too much about it, I would assume there was no attraction immediately and just move on. This is probably a bad example, but you know what I mean :D Actually, it's what you said in the next paragraph haha. I disagree with throwing her through hoops though; maybe it was just the way you worded it, but I'm not interested in just testing the girl the entire time haha. I mean, it works for you based on what you said (her having her own values and being strong willed, if you will), but I would prefer to just have a good time. If she doesn't share my values, I'm not going to try to force her to, I'll just move on to the next one. Like I said though, I think I just misunderstood your wording man I also will be approaching my first girls coming up here soon :D Yay. @Squatting. I have to disagree with you man. I want quality chicks regardless, I don't give a fuck how many I lay at the moment. Slaying a random 20 women isn't my style, and in my opinion, saying that I have to do that before I can establish what I want is just plain wrong. You establish what you want, and then you go after it. | ||
squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
On December 27 2011 23:39 Silentness wrote: This thread is pretty depressing lol. I use to be in the "PUA" business (kind of) like 5 years ago when I lived in Georgia. When I went to Augusta State University I use to flirt with a lot of girls using pick up "strats". I know all the H.ot B.itch (insert number) jargon, the wingman, peacocking, cold approach, asshole approach, group settings, and etc. Honestly though that shit is only going to make you look like an idiot if that's not your real personality. Just be yourself. I'm married, but yeah I'm pretty sure I'll be a single man soon but that's another story. The point is... if you want to get laid or something quick, fine go ahead and use some of these cheesy pickup routines. Yeah I said cheesy like doing a 6 pool or a 4 gate SC2. It may get you to diamond/master's league if you do it every game over and over, but you'll never get to grandmaster's league if all you do is do the same basic shit. I know it sounds cliche, but I keep having to say be yourself. If you really want your relations with women or men to go well you have to be natural. Confidence is definitely key because no woman I REPEAT no woman likes a guy that can't make decisions by himself, but don't be an asshole. That whole nice guy finishes last is BULLSHIT. If you're a dick to a woman/man whoever you're trying to impress he/she will eventually start to be annoyed by you until he/she hates you. A lot of women want strong guys that they can trust to get shit done, but they don't want a strong guy that isn't a gentleman aka "an asshole". Be funny, be yourself, be sincere, caring, brush your teeth/hair all that hygiene shit, wear some decent clothes and a little bit of cologne don't smother yourself in it. Don't put the pussy on the pedestal. Remember: "You are the fucking man or woman (or whatever you are)" If you don't love yourself how the hell will someone else love you? So don't just go searching for vagina or dick just because you feel "lonely" or because you think having a girlfriend/boyfriend will complete you. The only thing that is going to complete you is yourself first of all. Once you got your shit together: Education, career, finances, your personality, and your physical appearance everything else will just fall in place. Trust me on that. /rant off "Be yourself" Then I hear..... "Be funny" "Take care of your body" "Have Fashion" "Have the body language of confidence" "Be Natural" "Be decisive / Be a leader" LOL you do realize that those foundational qualities you mentioned are not in most guys and that they need to be actively cultivated right? You think comedians were funny because they were born like that or because every day, they wrote down their ideas, collaborated with others, and got in front of the mic and practiced? You think leading just comes naturally or do you think it comes by putting your self in opportunities where you get to practice leading and then doing it? | ||
SpiritAshura
United States1271 Posts
On December 28 2011 09:22 squattincassanova wrote: "Be yourself" Then I hear..... "Be funny" "Take care of your body" "Have Fashion" "Have the body language of confidence" "Be Natural" "Be decisive / Be a leader" LOL you do realize that those foundational qualities you mentioned are not in most guys and that they need to be actively cultivated right? You think comedians were funny because they were born like that or because every day, they wrote down their ideas, collaborated with others, and got in front of the mic and practiced? You think leading just comes naturally or do you think it comes by putting your self in opportunities where you get to practice leading and then doing it? Pretty sure he just means don't try and remake your character/personality by the be yourself part of it. Change or improve parts of your personality? Sure, but girls will sense if you're not being authentic over time as they get to know you better and if you aren't "being yourself" you're not doing yourself any favors imo. | ||
squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
Short term is worrying about what that specific girl thinks. Long term thinking is how this will change over months and years. When you try to act anything outside of your normal comfort zone behavior, you are going to seem uncongruent. If you wore over sized tshirts and white socks your whole life. Going out with a fancy suit is going to make you feel unconfortable. Does that mean you should wear crap clothes your whole life? If you never talked when you go out, and you force yourself to start talking. Guess what? You are probably going to stutter and look uncongruent. But does that mean you shouldn't practice talking? If you were never funny, and you try to tell a joke.... the first time you say something, the delivery is going to be off, and nobody will laugh. The girl will see you are a try hard. Does that mean you should stop practicing humor? Now fucking fast forward 3 years. Do you think now you will have to try? No, you don't. Because after three years of working at it, you become a new person. Your new behaviors are now part of you because you have done it so much. I am funnier now than I was a year ago... even when I am not trying. Why? because I practiced, I took comedy work shops, I practiced it on girls thousands of times. | ||
Blanke
Canada180 Posts
On December 28 2011 10:42 squattincassanova wrote: Short term thinking vs long term thinking. Short term is worrying about what that specific girl thinks. Long term thinking is how this will change over months and years. When you try to act anything outside of your normal comfort zone behavior, you are going to seem uncongruent. If you wore over sized tshirts and white socks your whole life. Going out with a fancy suit is going to make you feel unconfortable. Does that mean you should wear crap clothes your whole life? If you never talked when you go out, and you force yourself to start talking. Guess what? You are probably going to stutter and look uncongruent. But does that mean you shouldn't practice talking? If you were never funny, and you try to tell a joke.... the first time you say something, the delivery is going to be off, and nobody will laugh. The girl will see you are a try hard. Does that mean you should stop practicing humor? Now fucking fast forward 3 years. Do you think now you will have to try? No, you don't. Because after three years of working at it, you become a new person. Your new behaviors are now part of you because you have done it so much. I am funnier now than I was a year ago... even when I am not trying. Why? because I practiced, I took comedy work shops, I practiced it on girls thousands of times. Comedy workshops . . . now where could I find one of those in Saskatchewan? | ||
Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On December 28 2011 09:33 SpiritAshura wrote: Pretty sure he just means don't try and remake your character/personality by the be yourself part of it. Change or improve parts of your personality? Sure, but girls will sense if you're not being authentic over time as they get to know you better and if you aren't "being yourself" you're not doing yourself any favors imo. Thank you! This is exactly what I mean. This thread is turning into one of those SC2 strategy guides with indepth replays, build orders, and shit. Your head is going to explode trying to remember all this PUA material. I remember some of my previous relationships I think I unintentionally gave some girls the wrong first impression of me, but after a while of knowing each other they started to realize who I truly was. Women aren't stupid. They will quickly scan you up and down to see what you really are all about. You may get lucky and bullshit your way through a date or two, but if you want to keep them you are going to have to eventually show the REAL you. Not the PUA persona that you've learned from the internet or books. By the way I have read the book "The Game" from front to back and I believe that book goes into detail how people like "Mystery" "Neil Strauss" are fucking horrible at keeping relationships. It's like hoping that 3 rax all in will get you into the late game, but you realize it's only meant for early/mid game not end game. You know what I mean... On December 28 2011 10:42 squattincassanova wrote: Short term thinking vs long term thinking. Short term is worrying about what that specific girl thinks. Long term thinking is how this will change over months and years. When you try to act anything outside of your normal comfort zone behavior, you are going to seem uncongruent. If you wore over sized tshirts and white socks your whole life. Going out with a fancy suit is going to make you feel unconfortable. Does that mean you should wear crap clothes your whole life? If you never talked when you go out, and you force yourself to start talking. Guess what? You are probably going to stutter and look uncongruent. But does that mean you shouldn't practice talking? If you were never funny, and you try to tell a joke.... the first time you say something, the delivery is going to be off, and nobody will laugh. The girl will see you are a try hard. Does that mean you should stop practicing humor? Now fucking fast forward 3 years. Do you think now you will have to try? No, you don't. Because after three years of working at it, you become a new person. Your new behaviors are now part of you because you have done it so much. I am funnier now than I was a year ago... even when I am not trying. Why? because I practiced, I took comedy work shops, I practiced it on girls thousands of times. Ok I agree with you about being more social if you want to meet women. That doesn't require PUA reading materials, workshops, and etc. That's just common knowledge that putting yourself in more social environments will help you build confidence in your speech and people skills. I just don't want people to think that they have to eat, sleep, and breathe PUA material. If that's not really who you are I really do believe it will hurt you in the long run if you plan on a long term relationship. Now like I said in my previous post if all you want is that random one nighter or a quick date sure you can play Mr. PUA, but don't bullshit a girl that could end up being the perfect partner for you. | ||
squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
Hanging out with enough pick up gurus, coaches, one thing most people don't know except for coaches is the failure rate in pickup. The failure rate in pickup is about 95%. Only about 5% succeed. You go to casanovacrew.com and there are maybe 15 people getting laid out of like 5000 registered users. You go to theseattlelair.com and there is pretty much 2-3 guys getting laid out of 300 registered users. I post in about 3-4 pick up forums. And I will usually go out sarging with new people just offering my advice but you see people in pickup 4-5 years with no improvement. Why? They have no discipline. They will go out maybe once or twice a month. When they do, they fuck around in the club. Grab a drink, walk here, walk there, stand around. This guy I timed him, he opened 6 sets in a period of 4 hours. His sets all lasted <1 minute. So that's basically 6 minutes of in field time in a total period of 240 minutes. You think you can get good with that type of sloppy mentality? This guy was short, bald, fat, and pasty. And hes opening 6 sets, and in set for 6 minutes. How the fuck does he expect to catch up to me? Not with that type of discipline and attitude. And the thing is, more you lack in fashion and physical attributes, the tighter your game has to be. So for him to be equally successful, his verbal and game needs to be much better than mine to compensate. You think this guy has a shot in hell in catching up to me, when he is opening 6 sets every two weeks which lasts 1 minute each. When I am opening over 100+ sets every two weeks with each set being on average 10 minutes or more? The time in field is literally 12 minutes vs 1000+ minutes in set. This would be analogous to me trying to catch up to Usain Bolt on the track except not only does he have better genetics, but he is also putting in many times the effort in practice. See how I won't be able to catch up? | ||
squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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Ashenshugar
Sweden13 Posts
To people arguing "these people don't have it come natural"... If you're so insecure you can't talk to a girl then you've got bigger problems then how to up girls.. Do real soul-searching.. Find out things about yourself.. learn what you like & dislike.. What you want in life.. Look at your fears & start conquering them.. As you get more confident in one area it transfers to the next.. it can be something as simple as getting a job or w/e.. Most pua people I've seen (or people attracted to pua) are either people with no personality, no confidence & people who look to others for solutions or blame other things than themselves (like circumstances).. It's all about manning the fuck up & you don't need pua to do that.. And I'm by no means a natural.. I was that guy who had never talked to a girl except his mother & yeah.. I just put work into myself, get to know myself, like & love myself and the other pieces of the puzzle starts falling down after that.. Pua people usually have a very misogynist view that doesn't suprise me considering the material & authors they are reading.. | ||
danielrosca
Romania123 Posts
On December 28 2011 10:42 squattincassanova wrote: If you wore over sized tshirts and white socks your whole life. Going out with a fancy suit is going to make you feel unconfortable. Does that mean you should wear crap clothes your whole life? The end point is not being affected by any situation. These silly little behavioral patterns you're forcing yourself into makes me involuntarily think about monkey training for the town circus. | ||
Dariusz
Poland657 Posts
On December 28 2011 15:18 squattincassanova wrote: I post in about 3-4 pick up forums. And I will usually go out sarging with new people just offering my advice but you see people in pickup 4-5 years with no improvement. Why? They have no discipline. They will go out maybe once or twice a month. When they do, they fuck around in the club. Grab a drink, walk here, walk there, stand around. This guy I timed him, he opened 6 sets in a period of 4 hours. His sets all lasted <1 minute. So that's basically 6 minutes of in field time in a total period of 240 minutes. You think you can get good with that type of sloppy mentality? This guy was short, bald, fat, and pasty. And hes opening 6 sets, and in set for 6 minutes. How the fuck does he expect to catch up to me? Not with that type of discipline and attitude. And the thing is, more you lack in fashion and physical attributes, the tighter your game has to be. So for him to be equally successful, his verbal and game needs to be much better than mine to compensate. You think this guy has a shot in hell in catching up to me, when he is opening 6 sets every two weeks which lasts 1 minute each. When I am opening over 100+ sets every two weeks with each set being on average 10 minutes or more? The time in field is literally 12 minutes vs 1000+ minutes in set. This would be analogous to me trying to catch up to Usain Bolt on the track except not only does he have better genetics, but he is also putting in many times the effort in practice. See how I won't be able to catch up? People like this, are still focused on the immediate results, and are not enjoying themselves during the process. I think that's the key to consistent training in the field. Like yourself, be self amused. Just going out there with right mindset, and talk to people because you're so awesome that everyone will like you, and if they don't - who cares, they're the minority that happened to have bad day, or they're too prejudiced and you don't want to hang out with them anyway, so you smile at them, hold your frame and go to the next set | ||
squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
On December 28 2011 16:36 Ashenshugar wrote: Most pua people I've seen (or people attracted to pua) are either people with no personality, no confidence & people who look to others for solutions or blame other things than themselves (like circumstances).. You wanna know why? Because the rare 5% that get good either: 1. Quit because they find a girlfriend. 2. Or they leave the community after finding a few good wings in which they go out together as friends. Most guys (and I repeat "most") who get good at pickup do not like hanging out with total newbs because most newbs don't open sets and just follow the advance guys, act depressed, and creep out the advanced guys sets. They are like state leechers. You know how some people are always positive, and when you hang around them, you feel positive too? Well most newbies are complete opposite. Watching them stand around sulking just makes me want to shoot myself. And this is the sad truth about the PUA community. The guys that get good appear to be like the typical naturals who are outside of the community and the guys who never get good..... well, they are the creepers that everyone hates on LOL! Skip to min 2 | ||
squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
On December 28 2011 18:06 squattincassanova wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCvOJ6Vj5Ew I'm that dude that Owen is talking about in the video at 3:33 | ||
Silentness
United States2821 Posts
Anyways to continue with the PUA situation, something bad happen her two friends came out of nowhere. Her friends were pretty damn ugly to be honest, but I tried to entertain all of them, but I could see that her friends were getting jealous (COCKBLOCKING) Thank God two army dudes came out of nowhere (wingmen) and said "What's up you need help with these girls?" If it wasn't for those army guys the girl that was talking to me would of left the club with her two friends because they were being lame cockblockers. So the conclusion of the PUA situation was the two army guys started making out with the two ugly Korean chicks and dragged them off God knows where, and left me alone with the hot Korean chick. SCORE! She insisted on going to a hotel room... and yeah game set closed. Was a good night, but "sets" can be random. Also sometimes you don't even have to have any game. I've seen a ton of guys swarming a chick and she looked annoyed, but I just grin at her and she smiles back and then comes toward me trying to grab my hand. What's up with that? I think some of these people out there in the clubs are putting in WAY too much work when I didn't do shit, just gave a small grin/smile and she takes the bait. PS: If you do insist on being a "PUA" it never hurts to bring a good wingman. Someone that not only has good game + confidence, but is also very alert of his surroundings. I had a buddy of mine tell me that a girl was looking at me hardcore in another Noise Basement club in Gangnam Seoul. My dumbass wasn't paying attention so my friend had my back and told me that I was golden. So I went in for the kill and she wanted to make out with me the whole night until her damn friend and her friend's boyfriend told her it was time to leave *ugh*. Man I'm a miss Korea... I think it's actually pretty easy out here if you do just want random "sets" | ||
Sotamursu
Finland612 Posts
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