On February 13 2012 09:40 derpinator wrote: This idiot just wants to be famous on his daughters expense. His right to reproduce should be revoked for the sake of having a decent society.
Your name suits you very well indeed. Maybe if you read what he said after the video you might learn something and wouldn't look like such a fool. That man is a good man.
Ive seen the clip a couple of days ago when it whas posted on reddit. I dont think you get it, it's not about his daughter.. his little show whas all about him. He knew he would attract attention with his little tantrum and proceeded to do exactly what he accuses his daughter of. We now know from whom she got it from.
Yeah man, and with this new found fame of his he's totally going to take over the world, that's his master plan I'm guessing?
You're just going off what you "think", which is stupid. Go with the facts, the man is honest and awesome. I also don't care if you've seen the clip or not, I told you to read what he said after, I didn't ask if you've seen the clip or not. If you read what he said you'd find out hes a down to earth normal dude who took something a little to far, thats all. Plus, the only reason he made it a video is because his daughter was posting stuff online as well. I think your theory that he's just attention whoring is really dumb.
On February 13 2012 06:47 CecilSunkure wrote: Wow this parent doesn't really get it. Your daughter acts the way she does because you antagonize her. Should stop treating her as if her choices are solely her own, she's only fifteen. If she's acting up on Facebook it's directly your fault. What in the world are long ass punishments and public humiliation going to do to a daughter besides help her to resent you? This is just bad parenting.
15 is old enough. Your comment about "If she's acting up on Facebook it's directly your fault" is completely unfounded. Quality of parenting doesn't always dictate what a person grows up to be. Although, I'm with you on that he really shouldn't have posted the video for everyone to see.
This is poor parenting at it's finest. If the punishment is excessive (and downright mean) the child is just going to rebel even harder. Yes, she deserved punishment. But do you think she'll ever listen to her dad again? Not respectfully. She'll turn 18-21, turn her back. Teenagers are going to be little shits no matter what you do, the trick is balanced discipline that teaches a lesson without breaking trust.
However... "This is your laptop. This is my .45" was pretty great.
I'm 16 and I really don't see a problem with the punishment. Living in a somewhat wealthy suburb, I see and hear a lot of entitled and ignorant stuff about what life is like as a teenager here, and I find it really quite obnoxious. It's fine to be rebellious in some ways, in my opinion, because that's just free thinking manifesting itself in one's actions, but at the same time things need to be put into perspective; just because someone is your parent doesn't mean they should give you everything you want regardless of what it is. This man believes in instilling real values and lessons into his children, and I respect that. It's much better than consistently applying small punishments that cause no real behavioral changes, because it legitimately sticks. I hope this girl learns her lesson and becomes a better person because of this situation.
On February 13 2012 10:44 CCitrus wrote: This is poor parenting at it's finest. If the punishment is excessive (and downright mean) the child is just going to rebel even harder. Yes, she deserved punishment. But do you think she'll ever listen to her dad again? Not respectfully. She'll turn 18-21, turn her back. Teenagers are going to be little shits no matter what you do, the trick is balanced discipline that teaches a lesson without breaking trust.
However... "This is your laptop. This is my .45" was pretty great.
Yet again, see earlier posts in this thread. This isn't the case. The girl is doing fine.
I've read through the first four pages of this thread, and I think that many people are overreacting to what the father did. Some have said that he threw a tantrum that was just as immature as what his kid did. I disagree with this. The father has obviously put a lot of thought into what he did, and I believe it was justified. He removes the computer (read: distraction) that has contributed much towards spoiling her to make her how she is. On another note, I also completely agree with him because, like he says, she is spoiled and hasn't worked for anything: she really hasn't.
I am 16 years old and have a job, of course my parents have bought me a lot of my stuff, but I have a job, I've had one since I was barely 15. I bought my own laptop and I contribute always half-half money-wise if buying something big (currency-wise; e.g. cellphone). I am saving money steadily and will have enough money to buy my own car once I have my G2. I always do what my parents ask of me, because I owe them more than I can ever repay. This girl obviously does not understand this or feel that way, and this is one step closer to making her see it.
It's not like he threatened her with the gun, he just took out the computer in an extreme way. It isn't even that aggressive in context. No worse than throwing it off a roof or hitting it with a hammer. Especially since she wasn't even there to witness it; she wasn't even supposed to see the video (until it went viral). Also, the man seems rather well educated and put together after reading his response to the questions asked by the Toronto Star. Assuming he's telling the truth, Hannah's taken it rather well and it will probably have a positive effect on her.
Seriously though, a bunch of people posting here obviously haven't read the whole OP. Its starting to get annoying seeing how many times people have to be reminded to read the interview with the father.
On February 12 2012 19:20 IMoperator wrote: This guy is obviously very immature. Stooping down to the level of his daughter isn't a good way to teach her a lesson imo. Teenagers are definitely ungrateful and disrespectful, but that is normal and to be expected. The only thing this is doing is making his daughter even more mad at them. Instead of having a talk with her about this, he reacts emotionally and destroys a laptop for really no good reason. Seriously, act like an adult instead of a child if you want to be taken seriously.
If you read his interview your whole comment would not make sense.
Destroying something doesn't teach someone about the value of money. It teaches that when someone crosses you its ok to break things. Donating the laptop to charity would have been a much better punishment, since you're contributing to society, keeping expensive things intact, and still taking it away from the child. Children soak up everything, even the unintended meanings of your actions. There is a direct result to every punishment, but also the peripheral effects.. in this case, the destruction of an expensive investment.
I hate it when people say stuff like this when talking about parenting teens. The girl is old enough to think for herself. Shes not like a little toddler or Pavlovs dogs, thats the whole reason why shes rebelling against her father in the first place. If teenagers were so mindless as to make the connection "my dad shot my laptop in anger, that means I should break things when im angry too! derrrrr..", then there wouldn't even be a 'rebellious teen' stereotype. My dad hit me as a kid, Im not hitting people as an adult. I sure as hell won't hit my kids if I end up having any.
Maybe if we were talking about like a 4th grader I would agree with you, but this girl is a teenager. She can, and obviously does, think for herself.
Edit: Here's a quote from the interview from the parent in the OP:
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.
People need to stop coddling their kids and treating parents like theyre creating sociopaths every time they decide to get harsh with their children.
right, the other possibility is being a sociopath and making your children wrecks.
I, too, look foward to her short lived career in porn... :\ yes I read the op. It's wholly "his word" speaking.
On February 13 2012 11:26 Jormundr wrote: Look forward to seeing her short-lived career in the porn industry when she turns 18.
Usually things like molestation and sexual abuse as a minor lead to such things. I mean not really, but IF you put a trauma to pornstars and strippers, it's sexual abuse.... not shooting a laptop that most kids don't have (like what, most people who never had a laptop or get made fun of online turn into porn stars? at least she had a laptop at one point).
Obviously saying "people who are molested turned into pornstars' is an ignorant comment, but not nearly as ignorant as the one you made.
Amazing response by the father, and the interview afterward is amazing.
My dad and I never got along when I was in high school. i started getting into a ton of trouble, and a huge argument ensued one day, of him just yelling like a banshee at me, blood red in the face, like he was about to pound the shit out of me, for hours on end. While walking up the stairs while he's screaming at me, I just finally snapped and thought 'enough is enough', and at the top the stairs, I turned around, and just tackled him as hard as I could. We both flew down the entire set of stairs through the air, and we didn't pound eachother into a pulp because of my mother there.
Afterwards, I think my dad just respected me a bit more and stopped being such an ass and screaming at me so abusively(?not the best choice of word). Shortly thereafter we got along great, and pretty much since then we've been best friends, and I've never seen anyone closer to their father than I am (as people say to us). Kind of ironic, but there has to come a point where the parent and kid have to respect each other as adults. In this girl's case, she had to respect her dad.
I have a beef with parents having kids make the beds. In my opinion kids should make their own choice if they want their bed 'made' or not, as long as it's clean. Beds are part of a private area (I don't mean out of parents watch or anything, I just mean something you allow at your own discretion for anyone else like friends to see). Aside from that I don't even see the point of what's wrong with having a 'messy' bed even if it was in sight of others — what's the big deal?
I also have a potential disagreement with the parents from the video. I hope the parents aren't sexist in any way telling the girl to do all sorts of chores, while giving male siblings a lighter load, no load, or even a different set of things to do. No matter what the gender is, the siblings should do roughly the same work, and roughly the same amount of it. If they agree amongst themselves that they prefer certain jobs then that's fine of course. I'm just saying such because I've heard of some girls who definitely are unjustly ordered around while their brother gets off easy.
Like many people, I also have a beef with destroying stuff, but whatever, people do crazy things for whatever sorts of reasons. I don't like it, but if it happens so rarely it really pales in comparison to all the other sorts of waste that goes on.
Edit: a funny punishment might have been him filming him giving the laptop to her younger brother, logging on to her Facebook acct (assuming possible), an getting the little brother to post whatever nonsense he wants, read her personal stuff, delete her personal stuff (chat logs or e-mails if possible). At the end he could say he's given the laptop to the little brother (or a charity), and get some video footage of the new owners playing games on it or something (although that would take a lot of time to do and be very difficult if given to a charity).
I guess I just thought of another thing I dislike: The fact that the parent GIFTED at his own volition without a request for payment at the time (I don't see any other interpretation of what he did) software to her that he put on the computer —to which the idiot could have just kept the license(s)/product-key(s)/disc(s)— and then demands payment for it —that's completely illegitimate. It's even worse to ask for payment for the bullets, since it was in no way her consent to have something shot at. I don't know the US/state law too well, but I'm pretty sure you cannot demand money from your own children without an actual justification for it.
Posted by Supamang: The girl is old enough to think for herself. Shes not like a little toddler or Pavlovs dogs, thats the whole reason why shes rebelling against her father in the first place. If teenagers were so mindless as to make the connection "my dad shot my laptop in anger, that means I should break things when im angry too! derrrrr..", then there wouldn't even be a 'rebellious teen' stereotype. My dad hit me as a kid, Im not hitting people as an adult. I sure as hell won't hit my kids if I end up having any.
I somewhat disagree. While teens maybe absorb less, and certainly can think for themselves, it doesn't mean they still don't absorb behaviors. While a violent parent doesn't always raise violent children, it certainly increases the likelyhood, and I'm sure there's studies to back that up (although a confounding factor is whether the kid is an observer or a victim). Overall I don't see THIS incident being a big issue though — it's just one event, and it was done in a very controlled, planned/thoughtful fashion.
I would absolutely do something like this. I have two kids and I am going to do my best to keep things like Facebook away from them for as long as possible. I am a professor and I see how technology and social media hurts students in my classrooms. I have so many students who can't go for a minute without looking at their phones or checking their Facebook pages. They fail their tests because they were so distracted with the social world at their fingertips. I try not to ban laptops or phones in my classes, but I am considering doing so next semester, since I have tracked the grades of those who are always on their phones or laptops and they consistently perform terribly.
1) buy something for your daughter 2) shoot the thing 3) tell her she owes you money for it lmao
southern logic at it's finest lol
also this video has taught me to shoot any inanimate object that ever causes a rift between me and another human being. GOD DAMN YOU IPOD, YOU LET MY GIRLFRIEND BEAT ME IN WORDS WITH FRIENDS AGAIN??? *blam blam blam oh i have 3 rounds left blam blam blam*
On February 12 2012 19:20 IMoperator wrote: This guy is obviously very immature. Stooping down to the level of his daughter isn't a good way to teach her a lesson imo. Teenagers are definitely ungrateful and disrespectful, but that is normal and to be expected. The only thing this is doing is making his daughter even more mad at them. Instead of having a talk with her about this, he reacts emotionally and destroys a laptop for really no good reason. Seriously, act like an adult instead of a child if you want to be taken seriously.
If you read his interview your whole comment would not make sense.
Destroying something doesn't teach someone about the value of money. It teaches that when someone crosses you its ok to break things. Donating the laptop to charity would have been a much better punishment, since you're contributing to society, keeping expensive things intact, and still taking it away from the child. Children soak up everything, even the unintended meanings of your actions. There is a direct result to every punishment, but also the peripheral effects.. in this case, the destruction of an expensive investment.
I hate it when people say stuff like this when talking about parenting teens. The girl is old enough to think for herself. Shes not like a little toddler or Pavlovs dogs, thats the whole reason why shes rebelling against her father in the first place. If teenagers were so mindless as to make the connection "my dad shot my laptop in anger, that means I should break things when im angry too! derrrrr..", then there wouldn't even be a 'rebellious teen' stereotype. My dad hit me as a kid, Im not hitting people as an adult. I sure as hell won't hit my kids if I end up having any.
Maybe if we were talking about like a 4th grader I would agree with you, but this girl is a teenager. She can, and obviously does, think for herself.
Edit: Here's a quote from the interview from the parent in the OP:
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.
People need to stop coddling their kids and treating parents like theyre creating sociopaths every time they decide to get harsh with their children.
Yes, she's old enough to think for herself. But if you think your actions as a parent stop affecting your child's mental development when they become a teenager, you are sorely mistaken. Congratulations you've avoided falling into the same cycle of abuse your dad did. Many kids don't turn out that way though, and there is a proven direct correlation between parental behavior and childrens' propensity to follow in their footsteps. Yes, even with teenagers.
I never said harsh punishments were wrong. I only said this was the wrong harsh punishment. It could have been harsh without being destructive.