Fixed an issue where overlapping units could sometimes traverse cliff levels.
WHOA, tank stacking nerfed!
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neoghaleon55
United States7434 Posts
Fixed an issue where overlapping units could sometimes traverse cliff levels. WHOA, tank stacking nerfed! | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States42223 Posts
On February 22 2012 07:16 neoghaleon55 wrote: WHOA, tank stacking nerfed! Stacked tanks used to get pushed up cliffs? Am I understanding that correctly? Can someone post a video of that happening? o.O | ||
neoghaleon55
United States7434 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13372 Posts
On February 22 2012 07:24 neoghaleon55 wrote: you mean you haven't seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_U0Vu3lXOs&feature=relmfu yeah it was quite the problematic glitch i mean it never actually got used but it was still a glitch. | ||
Encrypto
United States442 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:46 Liquid`NonY wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 06:30 tdt wrote: On February 22 2012 06:13 Liquid`NonY wrote: does it make a difference if it's missing or not? it's useless. if some people can't get it, i dont think blizzard should even bother their programmers to fix it There have been plenty of units and upgrades people thought were useless only to become a mainstay. BFH? Perhaps we should wait until some clever protoss shows us a whole new build around this before declaring it useless from day 1? On it's face it's just a easier way to deal with mass mutas since one can respond by not having (or even able) to build a ton of Phoenix but just one building and upgrade the few Phoenix you already have when it seems they are dedicated to muta. no we shouldn't just add random fucking shit into the game so long as it doesn't break it hoping that someone smarter than blizzard employees finds a use for it. that is so fucking stupid well too bad forum rules don't apply to you. Last time I saw someone call an idea outright "fucking stupid", they were at least warned. | ||
feardragon
United States969 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:46 Liquid`NonY wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 06:30 tdt wrote: On February 22 2012 06:13 Liquid`NonY wrote: does it make a difference if it's missing or not? it's useless. if some people can't get it, i dont think blizzard should even bother their programmers to fix it There have been plenty of units and upgrades people thought were useless only to become a mainstay. BFH? Perhaps we should wait until some clever protoss shows us a whole new build around this before declaring it useless from day 1? On it's face it's just a easier way to deal with mass mutas since one can respond by not having (or even able) to build a ton of Phoenix but just one building and upgrade the few Phoenix you already have when it seems they are dedicated to muta. no we shouldn't just add random fucking shit into the game so long as it doesn't break it hoping that someone smarter than blizzard employees finds a use for it. that is so fucking stupid I'm not sure this is entirely fair. Blizzard implemented PTR hoping that people would actually do a lot of testing(for balance) but the pro's don't show interest in it because it's volatile. So when something like this comes up and Blizzard wants to see if it will work at the pro level, they have no choice but to patch it into the real server to be "tested." I agree there's the chance that they've overlooked some use of it but when would Blizzard ever patch any underutilized things using that logic? Patching warp prism to have more shields was pretty random because it wasn't based on some kind of numerical evidence that it would be balanced since they weren't being used very often. But people seem ok with it now. The worst case is that blizzard has to patch again a few weeks down the road. Could that affect major tournaments like MLG and even skew results? Definitely. But I think it's a symptom of the fact that pro's aren't willing to test things on PTR. I understand why it's not worth your time too considering some of the changes might not even go through, but I think it's a tradeoff you have to live with. | ||
onPHYRE
Bulgaria852 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States42223 Posts
On February 22 2012 07:24 neoghaleon55 wrote: you mean you haven't seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_U0Vu3lXOs&feature=relmfu lol no I don't think I've ever seen that one. I recall seeing some glitch with colossi walking across thin air or something, but not that tank stacking video. That's priceless ^^ | ||
TheTurk
United States732 Posts
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Berailfor
441 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:44 ZeromuS wrote: Is this ladder or custom game? Do you really have to ask this? No WG tech c'mon you know the answer. | ||
AGIANTSMURF
United States1232 Posts
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:46 Liquid`NonY wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 06:30 tdt wrote: On February 22 2012 06:13 Liquid`NonY wrote: does it make a difference if it's missing or not? it's useless. if some people can't get it, i dont think blizzard should even bother their programmers to fix it There have been plenty of units and upgrades people thought were useless only to become a mainstay. BFH? Perhaps we should wait until some clever protoss shows us a whole new build around this before declaring it useless from day 1? On it's face it's just a easier way to deal with mass mutas since one can respond by not having (or even able) to build a ton of Phoenix but just one building and upgrade the few Phoenix you already have when it seems they are dedicated to muta. no we shouldn't just add random fucking shit into the game so long as it doesn't break it hoping that someone smarter than blizzard employees finds a use for it. that is so fucking stupid While I agree that the particular train of thought is very arbitrary and that sort of reasoning is not okay, I do feel like that is in fact how many aspects of the game function. Everything was created with a purpose and reason, BFH and the ranged phoenix upgrade, however the creative ways all the functions of the game would be utilized could not be foreseen by blizzard or any one individual. Many were not discovered for quite some time. I don't think many would disagree with that, rather I wanted to note that on the other side of this subject, I would not want each ability to be limited do doing only 1 thing and nothing else. I wouldn't want the phoenix range upgrade to only be useful vs mutas, I want to see creative ways it can be used. Same as I don't want snipe be used vs only 2 units in the whole game, making it borderline useless to everything else. We don't know this for a fact yet, as we haven't found out anything else creative with it (which seems unlikely at this moment). | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13372 Posts
On February 22 2012 07:42 Berailfor wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 06:44 ZeromuS wrote: On February 22 2012 06:37 CTangent wrote: Here you go, guys Is this ladder or custom game? Do you really have to ask this? No WG tech c'mon you know the answer. I wasn't paying that much attention tbh and you never know. | ||
BearStorm
United States795 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:30 tdt wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 06:13 Liquid`NonY wrote: does it make a difference if it's missing or not? it's useless. if some people can't get it, i dont think blizzard should even bother their programmers to fix it There have been plenty of units and upgrades people thought were useless only to become a mainstay. BFH? Perhaps we should wait until some clever protoss shows us a whole new build around this before declaring it useless from day 1? On it's face it's just a easier way to deal with mass mutas since one can respond by not having (or even able) to build a ton of Phoenix but just one building and upgrade the few Phoenix you already have when it seems they are dedicated to muta. I am sorry, but I really don't like statements that support changes by claiming someone clever might figure something out. I can think of a million bad ideas that probably wouldn't change the game significantly but that doesn't mean people should blindly support it hoping someone else can figure it out. Your defense of the upgrade is weak because you don't even provide any decent theorycrafting (which is still weak). The people who are stating that the upgrade is useless have explained why (it is a big investment, delays other tech, locks into one tech tree, is still a slow response, etc). However you have not addressed any of these claims. By claiming that someone clever might do something in the future you really aren't saying anything substantial. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I just don't like it when people support things by saying that it needs more time or that a better player can make it work. I think everybody would much prefer you say "it needs more time because of X, Y, or Z is convoluted" and then proceed to convince people how the upgrade itself can make a significant difference. | ||
Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
On February 22 2012 08:17 BearStorm wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 06:30 tdt wrote: On February 22 2012 06:13 Liquid`NonY wrote: does it make a difference if it's missing or not? it's useless. if some people can't get it, i dont think blizzard should even bother their programmers to fix it There have been plenty of units and upgrades people thought were useless only to become a mainstay. BFH? Perhaps we should wait until some clever protoss shows us a whole new build around this before declaring it useless from day 1? On it's face it's just a easier way to deal with mass mutas since one can respond by not having (or even able) to build a ton of Phoenix but just one building and upgrade the few Phoenix you already have when it seems they are dedicated to muta. I am sorry, but I really don't like statements that support changes by claiming someone clever might figure something out. I can think of a million bad ideas that probably wouldn't change the game significantly but that doesn't mean people should blindly support it hoping someone else can figure it out. Your defense of the upgrade is weak because you don't even provide any decent theorycrafting (which is still weak). The people who are stating that the upgrade is useless have explained why (it is a big investment, delays other tech, locks into one tech tree, is still a slow response, etc). However you have not addressed any of these claims. By claiming that someone clever might do something in the future you really aren't saying anything substantial. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I just don't like it when people support things by saying that it needs more time or that a better player can make it work. I think everybody would much prefer you say "it needs more time because of X, Y, or Z is convoluted" and then proceed to convince people how the upgrade itself can make a significant difference. The cost is the big issue. Seriously, 450/350 for +2 range attack on phoenix? Are you kidding me? But if blizzard even get it into their heads that 300/200 for 1 building that unlocks carriers and mothership and air upgrade +2 might just be part of the reason that protoss air is totally shit house. Especially when you consider how crap carriers are, how situational and expensive the mothership is, and how bad VR are in the mid to end game making the +2 upgrades for air redundant. | ||
skatbone
United States1005 Posts
On February 22 2012 07:09 magnaflow wrote: I wonder what kind of mind games zerg players could do wth this. Something like build a spire but not use it. Hide other tech and laugh while toss is making phoenix and teching to the upgrade. In the future the only way to really know if mutas are actually coming is if you actually see them Zerg have already been playing these games with me. Fast spire-I tech to HTs-wait...all his units seem to be roaches...doh, roach-corruptor or roach-infestor. Not that HTs are terrible but I'd much rather go heavy immortal against mass roach. | ||
emc
United States3088 Posts
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
On February 22 2012 08:44 emc wrote: I'm unsure where +2 range hate is coming from. It's clearly going to be an optional thing for lower leaguers and won't be utilized at top level because phoenix already out range mutas and top level players already have the control they need to keep them alive. With that said, it won't make a big difference for protoss and complaining that it's there when you don't need it is stupid. At least you have the option of a mothership or the option of carrier even if they aren't always useful. I know as a zerg player I use everything blizzard gives me and thank them for it. thats not actually true, even pro's don't use phoenix to counter muta, they use cannons and storms, if you watched the daily that day9 did about pvz muta hero makes 6 phoenix's and loses them in the first big engagement vs mutas, then proceeds to win anyway because he's awesome as long as noone is watching. | ||
pdd
Australia9933 Posts
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emc
United States3088 Posts
On February 22 2012 08:51 polysciguy wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 08:44 emc wrote: I'm unsure where +2 range hate is coming from. It's clearly going to be an optional thing for lower leaguers and won't be utilized at top level because phoenix already out range mutas and top level players already have the control they need to keep them alive. With that said, it won't make a big difference for protoss and complaining that it's there when you don't need it is stupid. At least you have the option of a mothership or the option of carrier even if they aren't always useful. I know as a zerg player I use everything blizzard gives me and thank them for it. thats not actually true, even pro's don't use phoenix to counter muta, they use cannons and storms, if you watched the daily that day9 did about pvz muta hero makes 6 phoenix's and loses them in the first big engagement vs mutas, then proceeds to win anyway because he's awesome as long as noone is watching. you're taking an example from one game.. Ok I'll give you an example from one game as well then. Genius in Code S this season did a phoenix opener and never lost them when his zerg opponent went for mutas. Was it a mistake that his phoenix were still alive? no, it was good control and awareness. But if you're point is that 4 range phoenix isn't good enough, then why are others hating on the +2 even if it's an unreachable upgrade? at least it exists. watch Code S, Ro16, Group D, Genius vs. Nestea G2, lawyered. | ||
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