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On March 26 2012 03:26 xM(Z wrote: nope. i do not want to help with the overpopulation thinggie.
Then don't have kids. But do try to help people if you can. i.e. donate your organs.
On March 26 2012 03:26 xM(Z wrote:besides, if there is no free will and everything is predestined, those people are suppose to die, right?. Start with your brain, donate it for dog food or something.
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I don't like the idea of giving other people my blood let alone my post or pre mortum organs. If I'm going to give away my organs I damn well better personally know and approve of the person.
You're not saving someone's life you're prolonging it. And you could be prolonging a complete assholes life.
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On March 26 2012 04:35 Valashu wrote: No proper doctor would let a 'viable' person die because they want the organs, seriously.
He lives in GREECE dude.
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I am registered as an organ donor, but if my organs are ever used I do hope the person who recieves them isn't a dick.
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Should people who opt out as donors be disqualified from receiving organ donation even if they need it? Its not a matter of disqualifying them, though I do believe that non-organ donors should have a lower priority on organ recipient lists.
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On March 26 2012 04:45 Crushinator wrote: I am registered as an organ donor, but if my organs are ever used I do hope the person who recieves them isn't a dick.
How much of a dick do you have to be to not deserve to live? I would put the bar between blowing up kindergartens and adopting orphans and then sell them as child labour.
Of course we all want the charity for homeless people or little timmy pocket (cit: South park) to get our organs, but i would say we should not deny people life or feel that they do not deserve it because they qualify as dicks in our own minds :D
Anyway, i would gladly donate every part of my body to science/people who need them, as that far surpasses the need my family might find in comfort.
I guess the only alternative would be to live forever :D
To the religioun issue i would propose that there at least should be an 18 year old demand before you should be allowed to deny anyone your organs.
At best it should be illegal to let personal faith, which in my opinion is partly fine (see sig), indirectly kill people.
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On March 26 2012 04:53 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +Should people who opt out as donors be disqualified from receiving organ donation even if they need it? Its not a matter of disqualifying them, though I do believe that non-organ donors should have a lower priority on organ recipient lists.
But then you would put an ethical requirement for donor. It would be comparable to puting someone higher up a list who have worked with doctors without borders than a lawyer (:D) I don't think that would be a preferable factor to deny some one life by.
...come to think of it. Aren't they already doing this?
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Cons 1 and 2 should be a non issue because religious arguments are not reasonable arguments and Con 3 is actually a pro because more ethical correct organ donations mean less unethical donations. Sooo... only pros, yay!
I myself would donate my organs when I'm dead and would do so when I'm alive depending on the situation.
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Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 04:53 moopie wrote:Should people who opt out as donors be disqualified from receiving organ donation even if they need it? Its not a matter of disqualifying them, though I do believe that non-organ donors should have a lower priority on organ recipient lists. But then you would put an ethical requirement for donor. It would be comparable to puting someone higher up a list who have worked with doctors without borders than a lawyer (:D) I don't think that would be a preferable factor to deny some one life by. ...come to think of it. Aren't they already doing this? Everyone can't be a doctor, but everyone can make the decision to donate their organs.
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I feel like a hypocrite when i say this but i know i should donate my organs, i'm not a religious person at all so i see no need for my organs when i die. Its mostly the thought of "Shit their going to cut me up and give my body away when i die!" Hopefully in a few years i'll man up and be a organ donor.
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On March 26 2012 04:35 Dapper_Cad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 03:26 xM(Z wrote: nope. i do not want to help with the overpopulation thinggie.
Then don't have kids. But do try to help people if you can. i.e. donate your organs. Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 03:26 xM(Z wrote:besides, if there is no free will and everything is predestined, those people are suppose to die, right?. Start with your brain, donate it for dog food or something. stop being a drone. the more people you have on this earth the less they worth and that is a fact. i just happen to value worth more then numbers. the less, the better. and it's not like i'm doing something to kill those people. bad shit happens, i'm just passive about it.
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On March 26 2012 06:08 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 04:35 Dapper_Cad wrote:On March 26 2012 03:26 xM(Z wrote: nope. i do not want to help with the overpopulation thinggie.
Then don't have kids. But do try to help people if you can. i.e. donate your organs. On March 26 2012 03:26 xM(Z wrote:besides, if there is no free will and everything is predestined, those people are suppose to die, right?. Start with your brain, donate it for dog food or something. stop being a drone. the more people you have on this earth the less they worth and that is a fact. i just happen to value worth more then numbers. the less, the better. and it's not like i'm doing something to kill those people. bad shit happens, i'm just passive about it. Then don't have kids, unless you think your kids are worth more than someone needing a new organ.
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On March 26 2012 06:08 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 04:35 Dapper_Cad wrote:On March 26 2012 03:26 xM(Z wrote: nope. i do not want to help with the overpopulation thinggie.
Then don't have kids. But do try to help people if you can. i.e. donate your organs. On March 26 2012 03:26 xM(Z wrote:besides, if there is no free will and everything is predestined, those people are suppose to die, right?. Start with your brain, donate it for dog food or something. stop being a drone. the more people you have on this earth the less they worth and that is a fact. i just happen to value worth more then numbers. the less, the better. and it's not like i'm doing something to kill those people. bad shit happens, i'm just passive about it.
So out of curiosity are you a person who see's a woman getting assaulted but walks by and just says "Well its not my problem"
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On March 26 2012 06:08 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 04:35 Dapper_Cad wrote:On March 26 2012 03:26 xM(Z wrote: nope. i do not want to help with the overpopulation thinggie.
Then don't have kids. But do try to help people if you can. i.e. donate your organs. On March 26 2012 03:26 xM(Z wrote:besides, if there is no free will and everything is predestined, those people are suppose to die, right?. Start with your brain, donate it for dog food or something. stop being a drone. the more people you have on this earth the less they worth and that is a fact. i just happen to value worth more then numbers. the less, the better. and it's not like i'm doing something to kill those people. bad shit happens, i'm just passive about it.
What do you mean by worth? Why does the "worth" of a human increase the fewer there are of us?
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On March 26 2012 04:34 sJarl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 04:21 ticklishmusic wrote: Hypocritical isn't the word, more like cognitive dissonance. Totally appreciate the thinly veiled insults, by the way (to hellroxya).
My friend's uncle had lung cancer and he smoked since he was a teenager. He got a new lung. After a few months, he promptly started smoking again. I do believe if people made a shitty decision like smoking their whole life and they get cancer, they can live without my lung. This kind of situation occurs more than I feel is acceptable.
My best friend is most likely going to die of cancer before we get out of college-- 3 years or so. We both want to be doctors. She is literally one of the kindest and most intelligent people I know. When I know that she's probably screwed while people who smoke and abuse their bodies could get a second chance... it just makes me mad and think about how unfair the world is.
Anyways, my position might change. We'll see. While your uncle is an ass for starting smoking again I don't really think this is the norm. What of all the other cases where a patient doesn't start doing drugs/smoking/drinking/etc after the transplant and gave them a new shot at life? But then again, I believe young, otherwise health patients have priority over those patients. Also, what does your friend have to do with the organ donation debate? (I wish her all the best in her recovery!)
Friend's uncle.
Sure, if I could guarantee that the people who got my organs were good people, I'd happily let them have them.
However, that's not the case. Look at America-- why are so many people sick or have various illnesses? Because they don't take care of themselves well. They put all sorts of shit that's clearly bad for them into their bodies, and somehow they feel entitled to getting a new kidney when their old one gives out. I'm not going to provide an organ so they can have a second chance. Real life is real life. You fuck up, you fuck up.
Life is unfair. I'm filled with incredibly bitterness knowing that she's pretty much got a timer on her life, while some other guy is getting a second chance with a new kidney. Unless some magical cure is discovered in the next few years, she will die. We have no illusions about the matter.
Now, science can definitely have my body if they want it. Maybe I'll give myself to Harvard Med School or something.
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once I dont need it anymore, salvage any spare parts you need guys.
got a pretty good heart btw :D
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You forgot that in places like China they kill prisoners and take their organs or put them to death for organs. My ethics teacher is from China and was talking about a guy who was accused of killing a girl in their town and they put him to death and took his organs within a few months and a few years later the girl was found not to be dead but just had run away.
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I am an organ donor. I live my life in the hopes of making a difference in the lives of others, improving the world in my own way. It is my most fervent wish that I be able to help others in a way as meaningful as life saving even with my death. If removal of every organ in my body can be of help to others after I die, I am more than willing to have every one of them be used, leaving my corpse empty. It is a corpse, I will no longer be alive to care what happens to my body, but if it can help others I am all for it.
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i have the red sticker on my driver's license. i see no cons to organ donation if i get in an accident. cant take it with you.
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On March 26 2012 02:26 xpldngmn wrote: Please do not list "religion" as a con. You can't argue with religion, theologic debates are nice to have in their own set of rules, but when it comes to "real life problems", they don't really fit. Why do I argue this way? God told me to do so. He argued that it is against a specific type of people's will, not his own. And that last sentence is so ironic.
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I read all three cons in the OP and I still fail to see a single con to voluntary organ donation, either living or after death.
I get pretty tired of people suggesting that giving someone the option of voluntary behavior is somehow exploiting them.
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