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For any of you who think N.Korea is actually some place filled with a huge army you should be afraid of. Then I suggest you watch The Vice Guide To Travel-N.Korea
They are one of the few people to get into N.Korea with cameras and make a documentary.
With that said, most people in n.korea are malnurished and starving. They even eat shoes at some points, therefore tbh I'm not physically afraid of there army at all. Secondly, they have little - zero energy. Large portions of the country are just simply not powered, and even the parts that are aren't stable and surge/shut down all the time. I doubt they have even enough energy to launch this rocket properly. We shouldn't be worrying about N.Korea at all to be honest, they can't do anything to anyone realistically.
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On March 31 2012 00:49 Arkless wrote: For any of you who think N.Korea is actually some place filled with a huge army you should be afraid of. Then I suggest you watch The Vice Guide To Travel-N.Korea
They are one of the few people to get into N.Korea with cameras and make a documentary.
With that said, most people in n.korea are malnurished and starving. They even eat shoes at some points, therefore tbh I'm not physically afraid of there army at all. Secondly, they have little - zero energy. Large portions of the country are just simply not powered, and even the parts that are aren't stable and surge/shut down all the time. I doubt they have even enough energy to launch this rocket properly. We shouldn't be worrying about N.Korea at all to be honest, they can't do anything to anyone realistically.
Yes, it is well known that:
North Koreans are underfed, even their troops are shorter than their souther cousins by a good deal.
North Korea can't even power its capitol around the clock.
North Korea mostly had cold war weaponry, hand outs from the USSR.
But none of it matters.
You don't need to be healthy or strong to fire an artillery piece, and cold war shells can still kill people.
Seoul is within striking range of North-Korean artillery. All they need to do is fire their guns and Seoul and its inhabitants are no more.
Can they win the war? No. Can they turn South-Korea and Japan into 3rd world countries before they are defeated? Yes.
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On March 31 2012 00:49 Arkless wrote: For any of you who think N.Korea is actually some place filled with a huge army you should be afraid of. Then I suggest you watch The Vice Guide To Travel-N.Korea
They are one of the few people to get into N.Korea with cameras and make a documentary.
With that said, most people in n.korea are malnurished and starving. They even eat shoes at some points, therefore tbh I'm not physically afraid of there army at all. Secondly, they have little - zero energy. Large portions of the country are just simply not powered, and even the parts that are aren't stable and surge/shut down all the time. I doubt they have even enough energy to launch this rocket properly. We shouldn't be worrying about N.Korea at all to be honest, they can't do anything to anyone realistically.
You are aware they have nuclear weapons?
While most of N. Korea's traditional army is drastically antequated, probably lacking in general supplies and ammunition, and in a traditional war would likely be wiped out by the S Korean armed forces very very quickly; it would only take one small nuclear weapon to completely devastate Seoul and therefore the entire country. So, yes, we should really really be worried about N Korea.
-edit: On March 31 2012 00:56 zalz wrote: Seoul is within striking range of North-Korean artillery. All they need to do is fire their guns and Seoul and its inhabitants are no more.
Can they win the war? No. Can they turn South-Korea and Japan into 3rd world countries before they are defeated? Yes.
I disagree with this completely. US has laser weapons that can take out artilery shells, and the S Korean and US air forces would be able to take out these artillery positions with extreme speed. They would be able to do damaged before this, but I have my doubts about how much. I also have my doubts about how much ammunition they actually have, and how many of the old Russian shells are still active.
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On March 30 2012 14:27 aLt)nirvana wrote:just went im about to go to seoul, great!! TEAM USA please do something! go naniwa & thorzain!!!On a serious note, i don't understand whats the fixation with north korea always doing stuff like this THEY KNOW will make the other countries angry. I doubt they'd nuke SK would be pretty silly since they'd be so close to all the radiation and shit
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I really just don't understand how the world works anymore. =\
Insanity everywhere, but considering other nations do the same, I do not see a problem unless NK specifically targets another nation's airspace.
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I disagree with this completely. US has laser weapons that can take out artilery shells, and the S Korean and US air forces would be able to take out these artillery positions with extreme speed. They would be able to do damaged before this, but I have my doubts about how much. I also have my doubts about how much ammunition they actually have, and how many of the old Russian shells are still active.
You are talking about a scenario in which America strikes first.
If North-Korea strikes first, Seoul is off the map, and so are most of Japan's major cities.
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On March 31 2012 01:01 ergoNOODLES wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 14:27 aLt)nirvana wrote:just went im about to go to seoul, great!! TEAM USA please do something! go naniwa & thorzain!!!On a serious note, i don't understand whats the fixation with north korea always doing stuff like this THEY KNOW will make the other countries angry. I doubt they'd nuke SK would be pretty silly since they'd be so close to all the radiation and shit
The size of nuclear weapons that North Korea has probably wouldn't spread radiation that far. Especially if the detonation was in the atmosphere above the city. Actually they wouldn't even be able to destroy Seoul completely, but vaporize a 3 mile diameter section of the city and spread fallout over a 10 square miles and S Korea would be in a lot of trouble. Though it would almost certainly mean a US and S Korean invation of North; if the DPRK government felt their regime was in danger of collaps I could see them attempting to do this. And if the missle was launched from near the border, there's no way there would be sufficient time to intercept it.
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Wow a rocket.......call me when they do something worth worrying about.
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On March 31 2012 00:49 Arkless wrote: For any of you who think N.Korea is actually some place filled with a huge army you should be afraid of. Then I suggest you watch The Vice Guide To Travel-N.Korea
They are one of the few people to get into N.Korea with cameras and make a documentary.
With that said, most people in n.korea are malnurished and starving. They even eat shoes at some points, therefore tbh I'm not physically afraid of there army at all. Secondly, they have little - zero energy. Large portions of the country are just simply not powered, and even the parts that are aren't stable and surge/shut down all the time. I doubt they have even enough energy to launch this rocket properly. We shouldn't be worrying about N.Korea at all to be honest, they can't do anything to anyone realistically. There is a huge problem with not being afraid of them based off that one documentary. What you got to see in that was poor neighbourhoods and civilian areas. Why do you think they have no power or food for their public? Answer its all going to the military. While the people are indeed poor, without electricity and malnourished.... their army is decently well armed and decently well fed. Yea they don't have the best army out there, but to dismiss them because you saw a documentary showing poor areas of the country is ridiculous...
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On March 31 2012 01:13 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +I disagree with this completely. US has laser weapons that can take out artilery shells, and the S Korean and US air forces would be able to take out these artillery positions with extreme speed. They would be able to do damaged before this, but I have my doubts about how much. I also have my doubts about how much ammunition they actually have, and how many of the old Russian shells are still active. You are talking about a scenario in which America strikes first. If North-Korea strikes first, Seoul is off the map, and so are most of Japan's major cities.
No, I'm not. In a situation without the use of nuclear weapons I think damage would be minimal. US could easily intercept any missles headed to Japan with Patriot missle batteries.
Take a look on wikipedia at the information available on what the North Korean military is actually armed with. Their navy and air force is virtually non existant. Of the aircraft they have, most are inoperable due to lack of parts and the rest are very outdated Russian models. Due to lack of maintenance and fuel, their pilots are also grossly undertrained. Their airforce would be eliminated very quickly. SAMs would also be useless if the US is employing F-22s in the region.
As we saw during desert storm, the US air force can eliminate large numbers of enemy artillery very quickly, the S Korean airforce also has very good pilots and are flying F-15 eagles among other advanced aircraft. My guess is that S Korea and the US keep very very very close tabs on the locations of DPRK artillery locations. In the event of an attack my guess is most would be completely destroyed within 15 minutes if not sooner. US could also launch large numbers of Tomahawk cruise missles remotely to take out these locations as well.
You also need to take into account the quality of these artillery pieces, little is known about them other than the fact that many are old Russian equipment while others are constructed in North Korea. Call me a pessimist but I wouldn't put much faith in North Korean engineers, and the training of these artillery operators in terms of accuracy and speed.
Could a North Korean attack damage Seoul? Absolutely, but my guess is that the death toll would be 500 or less. Their nuclear weapons are the only serious threat they pose to the region.
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On March 30 2012 18:02 mensrea wrote:
The (low) level of discourse in this thread is Alzheimer's-inducing. The ignorance meter has just been cranked to 11.
Of course, the US, China, Russia, UK, France (ie The Fab Five of the UN Security Council) don't need to play that game because, well, they got there first and then made up rules to stop anyone else from achieving essentially the same capability. If you want to talk about the destabilizing proliferation of long-range armament delivery systems, look no further than the governments operating in your back yard.
^This. Every time a thread on TL has "NK" or "North Korea" in its title, we get shit like this. It's getting silly, tbh.
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On March 31 2012 01:24 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 01:13 zalz wrote:I disagree with this completely. US has laser weapons that can take out artilery shells, and the S Korean and US air forces would be able to take out these artillery positions with extreme speed. They would be able to do damaged before this, but I have my doubts about how much. I also have my doubts about how much ammunition they actually have, and how many of the old Russian shells are still active. You are talking about a scenario in which America strikes first. If North-Korea strikes first, Seoul is off the map, and so are most of Japan's major cities. No, I'm not. In a situation without the use of nuclear weapons I think damage would be minimal. US could easily intercept any missles headed to Japan with Patriot missle batteries. Take a look on wikipedia at the information available on what the North Korean military is actually armed with. Their navy and air force is virtually non existant. Of the aircraft they have, most are inoperable due to lack of parts and the rest are very outdated Russian models. Due to lack of maintenance and fuel, their pilots are also grossly undertrained. As we saw during desert storm, the US air force can eliminate large numbers of enemy artillery very quickly, the S Korean airforce also has very good pilots and are flying F-15 eagles among other advanced air craft. My guess is that S Korea and the US keep very very very close tabs on the locations of DPRK artillery locations. In the event of an attack my guess is most would be completely destroyed within 15 minutes if not sooner. US could also launch large numbers of Tomahawk cruise missles remotely to take out these locations as well. You also need to take into account the quality of these artillery pieces, little is known about them other than the fact that many are old Russian equipment while others are constructed in North Korea. Call me a pessimist but I wouldn't put much faith in North Korean engineers, and the training of these artillery operators in terms of accuracy and speed. Could a North Korean attack damage Seoul? Absolutely, but my guess is that the death toll would be 500 or less. Their nuclear weapons are the only serious threat they pose to the region. Why would you assume they won't use nuclear weapons? If they strike first, they will do so knowing full well that they will be wiped out by the rest of the world. Why would they then hold back and not use nukes?
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it s just a rocket, it s not even a ballistic missile (a rocket is way easier to build, and to guide, a missile needs extremly precise trajectory control, especially during the re-entry process).
I dont think what they do is crazy. I think they are stuck in this cycle since the end of the cold war. They can't do anything but keep bluffing periodically to get some form of aid. If they really hand over their weapons, they will end up having as much influence as swaziland (taken randomly, you can change it with any other small country).
It s sad but it's the only way they have to remain somewhat independent.
Although, they just had a change in their leadership, and they need to divert local attention away from internal issues. Showing how the world reacts to their every move maintains the illusion that they are a world superpower (from their citizens' point of view I mean).
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Peaceful space program, lol. Space exploration is the last thing North Korea should focus on.
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On March 31 2012 01:20 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 00:49 Arkless wrote: For any of you who think N.Korea is actually some place filled with a huge army you should be afraid of. Then I suggest you watch The Vice Guide To Travel-N.Korea
They are one of the few people to get into N.Korea with cameras and make a documentary.
With that said, most people in n.korea are malnurished and starving. They even eat shoes at some points, therefore tbh I'm not physically afraid of there army at all. Secondly, they have little - zero energy. Large portions of the country are just simply not powered, and even the parts that are aren't stable and surge/shut down all the time. I doubt they have even enough energy to launch this rocket properly. We shouldn't be worrying about N.Korea at all to be honest, they can't do anything to anyone realistically. There is a huge problem with not being afraid of them based off that one documentary. What you got to see in that was poor neighbourhoods and civilian areas. Why do you think they have no power or food for their public? Answer its all going to the military. While the people are indeed poor, without electricity and malnourished.... their army is decently well armed and decently well fed. Yea they don't have the best army out there, but to dismiss them because you saw a documentary showing poor areas of the country is ridiculous...
For any of you who think the United States of America is a country with a huge, technologically advanced army that you should be afraid of, I suggest watching Trouble the Water.
They won 11 independent documentary awards, including best documentary at 2008 Sundance Film Festival.
We shouldn't be worrying about America and their influence in the world to be honest, they can't do anything to anyone realistically.
Sigh...
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On March 31 2012 01:16 Thenerf wrote: Wow a rocket.......call me when they do something worth worrying about. So in your opinion, a totalitarian regime with nuclear warheads at their disposal attempting to develop delivery systems is not that big of a deal?
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On March 31 2012 01:35 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 01:16 Thenerf wrote: Wow a rocket.......call me when they do something worth worrying about. So in your opinion, a totalitarian regime with nuclear warheads at their disposal attempting to develop delivery systems is not that big of a deal?
They're not stupid enough to fire it into any country. It's plain gesturing and deep down inside everyone knows it. They'll just continue to receive food aid to keep the regime from crumbling from within. This is of course, assuming that the son isn't half the nutjob which his father actually was.
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On March 31 2012 01:39 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 01:35 hifriend wrote:On March 31 2012 01:16 Thenerf wrote: Wow a rocket.......call me when they do something worth worrying about. So in your opinion, a totalitarian regime with nuclear warheads at their disposal attempting to develop delivery systems is not that big of a deal? Who's to decide who's allowed to have functional nuclear weapons or not? Was quite a long time since NK took ACTUAL military action towards anyone
You mean like two years ago when they attacked and destroyed a South Korean naval vessel? Or when they started shelling a South Korean island town?
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