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On April 06 2012 07:47 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 07:44 HellRoxYa wrote:On April 06 2012 07:33 archonOOid wrote: Why aren't cops recording voice and video all the time like the marines in the aliens movie? I'm mean seriously it would calm down potential criminals, curb police brutality and would be useful evidence in the court system. As long as it's only when they're on duty and prosecution wouldn't be overzealous, this sounds like a good idea. yeah, because (1) we arent in a recession and can barely afford to pay for cops; and (2) people dont love to complain about a police state where everything is recorded.
I'd let them watch me fap if it meant less innocent people being killed nomsayin?
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On April 06 2012 07:33 archonOOid wrote: Why aren't cops recording voice and video all the time like the marines in the aliens movie? I'm mean seriously it would calm down potential criminals, curb police brutality and would be useful evidence in the court system.
There's your reason, without it the cops can just cover for each other(he was going for a knife), even with clear evidence I'd be very surprised to see more than a slap on the wrist if he even loses his job. Yes cops aren't all bad but the problem is the good cops will still lie to cover for the bad cops because that's just how it is loyalty to other cops always comes before the law.
Even when they do have recording devices (dashboard cam etc) police can "accidentally" turn it off if they are going to do something illegal anyways. http://rt.com/usa/news/seattle-black-camera-richardson-537/
How often have you seen after a bad incident happen a cop step up and point out an officer's wrong doing, compared to how often they make some obvious bullshit excuse for a fellow officer? Of course there's a reason for this, police do get a lot of hate which makes them close knit, which leads to corruption... which leads to more hate.. etc. While I have empathy for cops situation and it's not an easy job, until the standards are stepped up and cops don't look the other way for other cops they are pretty much untouchable and events like these will keep happening, both noticed and unnoticed with little punishment for the offenders while people's trust in the police further degrades.
Sadly cops who do step up are probably the ones who get fired /not hired.
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Um.. cops + public are usually recorded with dashboard cams and the such. It is totally ineffective. They are usually lost or forgot to be turned on whenever criminal mischief might be observed in an officers conduct.
Fraternal order of the Police.. its a good ole boy system.
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This story makes no sense at all... They tasered someone already on the ground and after they were already incapacitated they shoot him? A 68 year old?
I mean it's possible some cop is nuts but the stories sound so over the top sensational they almost read like satire.
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white plains is about two hours from where i live.
that said, i would think the news station i work for would have said something about this, but i guess not. gonna have a chat with the news director...
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What the fuck... this is disgusting. The fucking police department should be charged for letting that guy continue to work even after the case in 2008.
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This is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy too depressing.
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police state man, we're in it! google "alex jones police state" for some crazy shit
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On April 06 2012 07:47 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 07:44 HellRoxYa wrote:On April 06 2012 07:33 archonOOid wrote: Why aren't cops recording voice and video all the time like the marines in the aliens movie? I'm mean seriously it would calm down potential criminals, curb police brutality and would be useful evidence in the court system. As long as it's only when they're on duty and prosecution wouldn't be overzealous, this sounds like a good idea. yeah, because (1) we arent in a recession and can barely afford to pay for cops; and (2) people dont love to complain about a police state where everything is recorded.
Your second argument is invalid because recording only happens when they're on duty, it is no different than working in a store where there is camera watching.
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On April 06 2012 08:39 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 07:47 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 06 2012 07:44 HellRoxYa wrote:On April 06 2012 07:33 archonOOid wrote: Why aren't cops recording voice and video all the time like the marines in the aliens movie? I'm mean seriously it would calm down potential criminals, curb police brutality and would be useful evidence in the court system. As long as it's only when they're on duty and prosecution wouldn't be overzealous, this sounds like a good idea. yeah, because (1) we arent in a recession and can barely afford to pay for cops; and (2) people dont love to complain about a police state where everything is recorded. Your second argument is invalid because recording only happens when they're on duty, it is no different than working in a store where there is camera watching. lol, invalid. it means there will be cameras walking around all the time, taping you in public places whether you are doing anything illegal or not.
edit: i think i understand where you are coming from. you are saying that the police will always be personally monitored, right? thats not what i was talking about. i was talking about the police videotaping everyone everywhere the police go. you may think that its good to watch the government, but dont forget it means the government will be taping everyone's moves in public. they will be watching you.
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On April 06 2012 07:33 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 07:25 Megaliskuu wrote:On April 06 2012 07:23 TheLOLas wrote: I always hate it when a police officer abuses his power. It gives cops a bad name, when in reality a lot of them want to help their communities. The very small percentage always ruins it for everyone else . the media (and public by extension) dont care about cops who do good things (for the most part). we only hear about the bad things they do.
Doing "good things" is their job. Its like the media doesn't care that I write a paper. But if I were to be caught plagiarizing it would be a big deal despite all the time I do my job correctly.
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On April 06 2012 06:43 Chilling5pr33 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EoqjzaasRI
RIP Hopefully this will be investigated properly.
that is seriously one of the most disturbing things I've seen in a while.
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On April 06 2012 08:43 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 08:39 furymonkey wrote:On April 06 2012 07:47 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 06 2012 07:44 HellRoxYa wrote:On April 06 2012 07:33 archonOOid wrote: Why aren't cops recording voice and video all the time like the marines in the aliens movie? I'm mean seriously it would calm down potential criminals, curb police brutality and would be useful evidence in the court system. As long as it's only when they're on duty and prosecution wouldn't be overzealous, this sounds like a good idea. yeah, because (1) we arent in a recession and can barely afford to pay for cops; and (2) people dont love to complain about a police state where everything is recorded. Your second argument is invalid because recording only happens when they're on duty, it is no different than working in a store where there is camera watching. lol, invalid. it means there will be cameras walking around all the time, taping you in public places whether you are doing anything illegal or not. edit: i think i understand where you are coming from. you are saying that the police will always be personally monitored, right? thats not what i was talking about. i was talking about the police videotaping everyone everywhere the police go. you may think that its good to watch the government, but dont forget it means the government will be taping everyone's moves in public. they will be watching you.
There's no resources to be "watching you". The cop will be watching you anyway, the tape is just to provide proof and to clarify the situation after the fact (to make light of any wrongdoing, from the cop or otherwise). This is already in place in police cruisers, so I don't really see your argument.
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There's a lot more to this that is not being said. I'll reserve judgement for when the details come out.
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On April 06 2012 07:47 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 07:33 archonOOid wrote: Why aren't cops recording voice and video all the time like the marines in the aliens movie? I'm mean seriously it would calm down potential criminals, curb police brutality and would be useful evidence in the court system. Because it's money they don't have :<
There is enough money to spy on people, buy drones, buy assault weapons, pay pension and healthcare for cops, buy new cars, use gps systems to track people etc. But god forbid we spend some money on recording devices that could be done for maybe a $100-200/cop.
Surrrreeeeeee.
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On April 06 2012 08:48 HellRoxYa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 08:43 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 06 2012 08:39 furymonkey wrote:On April 06 2012 07:47 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 06 2012 07:44 HellRoxYa wrote:On April 06 2012 07:33 archonOOid wrote: Why aren't cops recording voice and video all the time like the marines in the aliens movie? I'm mean seriously it would calm down potential criminals, curb police brutality and would be useful evidence in the court system. As long as it's only when they're on duty and prosecution wouldn't be overzealous, this sounds like a good idea. yeah, because (1) we arent in a recession and can barely afford to pay for cops; and (2) people dont love to complain about a police state where everything is recorded. Your second argument is invalid because recording only happens when they're on duty, it is no different than working in a store where there is camera watching. lol, invalid. it means there will be cameras walking around all the time, taping you in public places whether you are doing anything illegal or not. edit: i think i understand where you are coming from. you are saying that the police will always be personally monitored, right? thats not what i was talking about. i was talking about the police videotaping everyone everywhere the police go. you may think that its good to watch the government, but dont forget it means the government will be taping everyone's moves in public. they will be watching you. There's no resources to be "watching you". The cop will be watching you anyway, the tape is just to provide proof and to clarify the situation after the fact (to make light of any wrongdoing, from the cop or otherwise). This is already in place in police cruisers, so I don't really see your argument. it increases their ability to watch you because they can focus on whole areas and allows them to keep records on you.
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On April 06 2012 08:01 Nibbler89 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 07:33 archonOOid wrote: Why aren't cops recording voice and video all the time like the marines in the aliens movie? I'm mean seriously it would calm down potential criminals, curb police brutality and would be useful evidence in the court system. There's your reason, without it the cops can just cover for each other(he was going for a knife), even with clear evidence I'd be very surprised to see more than a slap on the wrist if he even loses his job. Yes cops aren't all bad but the problem is the good cops will still lie to cover for the bad cops because that's just how it is loyalty to other cops always comes before the law. Even when they do have recording devices (dashboard cam etc) police can "accidentally" turn it off if they are going to do something illegal anyways. http://rt.com/usa/news/seattle-black-camera-richardson-537/ How often have you seen after a bad incident happen a cop step up and point out an officer's wrong doing, compared to how often they make some obvious bullshit excuse for a fellow officer? Of course there's a reason for this, police do get a lot of hate which makes them close knit, which leads to corruption... which leads to more hate.. etc. While I have empathy for cops situation and it's not an easy job, until the standards are stepped up and cops don't look the other way for other cops they are pretty much untouchable and events like these will keep happening, both noticed and unnoticed with little punishment for the offenders while people's trust in the police further degrades. Sadly cops who do step up are probably the ones who get fired /not hired.
Er nope.
Well at least most of the good cops don't. I can tell you from personal experience that nothing pisses the good cops off more than bad ones that do stupid shit because it gives all of us a bad name. Now the good ones have to deal with the fall out because the city has a terrible system for identifying people who just shouldn't be cops and a lot of people refuse to look at each cop as a single individual.
Police are tight nit and generally are that way because they deal with dangerous situations on a daily basis. That being said, most of the cops I know won't tolerate bullshit from the others when it's completely illegal. We are supposed to be held to higher standards after all.
As for turning off the recording devices...if the cop can turn them off it's poorly implemented. I know I can't turn off the one in my car if I wanted to and I am not technologically inept.
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On April 06 2012 08:43 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 08:39 furymonkey wrote:On April 06 2012 07:47 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 06 2012 07:44 HellRoxYa wrote:On April 06 2012 07:33 archonOOid wrote: Why aren't cops recording voice and video all the time like the marines in the aliens movie? I'm mean seriously it would calm down potential criminals, curb police brutality and would be useful evidence in the court system. As long as it's only when they're on duty and prosecution wouldn't be overzealous, this sounds like a good idea. yeah, because (1) we arent in a recession and can barely afford to pay for cops; and (2) people dont love to complain about a police state where everything is recorded. Your second argument is invalid because recording only happens when they're on duty, it is no different than working in a store where there is camera watching. lol, invalid. it means there will be cameras walking around all the time, taping you in public places whether you are doing anything illegal or not. edit: i think i understand where you are coming from. you are saying that the police will always be personally monitored, right? thats not what i was talking about. i was talking about the police videotaping everyone everywhere the police go. you may think that its good to watch the government, but dont forget it means the government will be taping everyone's moves in public. they will be watching you.
I personally think it's no difference than the police car's dashboard cam, it's recording everyone it came across in public. But these video are only used when they need to go over an event.
I think it's a good idea because not only it protects the good cops, but it also deters bad cops from abusing their power. I think public can manage that sacrifice, considered it's protecting their rights, I doubt people mind getting filmed walking into stores.
Edit: and yea, we were talking different things
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On April 06 2012 07:23 TheLOLas wrote: I always hate it when a police officer abuses his power. It gives cops a bad name, when in reality a lot of them want to help their communities.
Funny story just today my friend gets pulled over for rolling through a stop sign. We go work out whatever hes driving me back to my dorm we see a cop turn on his lights and run through the 4 way stop just to catch a light -.-
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That cop is a piece of shit who thinks hes a complete badass because he has a badge. Hope the world gives him a bitch slap and puts him where he belongs, in a hole or jail.
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