On December 23 2012 13:30 CajunMan wrote: Thank you for this build I have been looking for something to switch it up on Ohana against all the Sentry Immortal allins and this seems like just the thing.
Ohana has become one of my favourite maps for this build just for that reason - best of luck switching it up
I do a drop-centric style of play that comes as a transition out of my ling/hydra midgame. It lets me get a third base quickly due to the power of hydralisk in the midgame, and it lets me use the hydralisk effectively due to the drop potential following that. I like the idea of using drops, but I don't like the idea of sacrificing your economy to do so. It's actually quite easy to defend as Protoss on 2 bases, but when you grab the third before the 11 minute mark it suddenly becomes a LOT harder to hold everything versus drop play, which is really when your drop tech starts to shine.
On December 24 2012 08:31 weepingtweeter wrote: Want to level my account to GM? Oh wait never mind you never made GM yourself to begin with,
Please don't come in here causing a ruckus man, I stream all my ladder games. . . http://www.twitch.tv/tangsc/b/334540204 Fast forward to 26minutes, game against CatZ, GM on NA server. All doubt that it is me should go out the window when you see the shameless plug at 27:00 and the all-in at 46:00.
How do you deal with Protoss opening with 3gate expand (probably because he sees your fast gas or maybe this is his style)? The sentry-zealot push hits when you are dropping but he can easily kill your both bases if you don't have roaches...
Maybe a spine wall, but has to be prepared right after the research for drop is done IMO.
Otherwise i Love that drop style, thanks bunch for the guide!
On December 24 2012 11:21 _indigo_ wrote: How do you deal with Protoss opening with 3gate expand (probably because he sees your fast gas or maybe this is his style)? The sentry-zealot push hits when you are dropping but he can easily kill your both bases if you don't have roaches...
Maybe a spine wall, but has to be prepared right after the research for drop is done IMO.
Otherwise i Love that drop style, thanks bunch for the guide!
I think drops are better against FFE and Nexus first than they are against 3-gate sentry expand just for the reason you mention - super-early Zealot/Sentry timings hits before your first drop and can mess everything up. It's not that you can't try this drop against an opponent who opens 3gate, it's just sometimes there are going to be weird base-race situations.
no offense but catz is garbage, and so are you, ive seen you play. calling your style hyper aggressive is so stupid, its an all in. ive seen you lose to low master protoss players in macro games. your awful.
So? He writes really thorough guides and provides very high level replays (vs Liquid`Hero FFS). Belial is mid master, but his guides are some of the best TL has seen.
Hyper aggressive and all in have similar, if not identical, meanings. Not sure if you even read the guide, but he sells at least trying out the playstyle. I would rather play a fun, aggressive style that revolves around multitasking and skill than to just play a turtle game into loldeathball pushes.
edit: I read through your post history and you seem like a person who is very quick to judge things in a negative light...
Been playing with this at GM level EU. Can work amazingly, can also just fall through so hard (although I think that was my fault due to letting him scout). I really like it. Good job!
This strategy makes me smile, as a Terran player tired of the Infestor stigma. Drops are just great, and I'm a huge fan of Zergs utilizing their wide arsenal of tools. Most Zergs don't bother going for (baneling)drops, but if you want some more players who use this technique, you should look into replays of Dimaga (Baneling drops onto Protoss' main army to remove sentries completely and reduce shields instantly) or NSHO.Freaky (Baneling drops in mineral lines, he uses it in the Terran matchup as well).
On December 24 2012 19:53 Eskiya23 wrote: This strategy makes me smile, as a Terran player tired of the Infestor stigma. Drops are just great, and I'm a huge fan of Zergs utilizing their wide arsenal of tools. Most Zergs don't bother going for (baneling)drops, but if you want some more players who use this technique, you should look into replays of Dimaga (Baneling drops onto Protoss' main army to remove sentries completely and reduce shields instantly) or NSHO.Freaky (Baneling drops in mineral lines, he uses it in the Terran matchup as well).
Thanks for the pro-level suggestions, I've never seen Freaky's play, but I have seen Dimaga's "Bane Rain" style against Protoss and have strongly considered using it as a transition after the initial drop.
On December 24 2012 13:48 weepingtweeter wrote: no offense but catz is garbage, and so are you, ive seen you play. calling your style hyper aggressive is so stupid, its an all in. ive seen you lose to low master protoss players in macro games. your awful.
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What exactly does the "no offense" at the beginning of your post want to say?
for instance the last 7-8 games we played you did this all in EVERY GAME NO EXCLUSIONS.
Needless to say you are not ahead in the score.
My advice to zerg players reading this guide. - this strat is too gimmicky and since its no longer new you wont reap any serious success with it,at least not for a long time.And its an all in.Better focus your time and attention on those 'boring' 3 hatch builds - solid zergs have been doing them all the way for a reason.
This build looks really great, especially because nowadays a lot of Protosses do a lot of sentries early on. Only, i don't agree with the muta transition, because when the protoss sees the drops, he won't make anymore sentries, or won't go on collossi, and tech on HT and Blink really fast, so mutas aren't so great against it. In your streams, you don't make enough damage to the Protoss because he has Blink at the time you come with mutas. I really prefer the Mass Roach transition, and i guess it can be possible to take like fourth base and tech on infestors and double upgrades for lings.