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On December 28 2012 13:53 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 13:50 Master of DalK wrote:On December 28 2012 13:10 silent_owl wrote: Well, I believe in SC2 and I believe in Blizzard. I always took Grubby's advice to heart that Blizzard is working hard on their expansions and have never failed to deliver with their subsequent follow-ups. I'm sure HotS will be better than what I already think is a good game in WoL. And there's no reason to say that LoV could not possibly turn out to be a great game.
Being a Street Fighter fan, I remember when the scene declined but it's vibrant as ever again now. I think as SC fans, we just have to have faith, keep playing, and keep supporting the game we love. Fads go in and out of fashion but we'll always love this game and I'm sure another time for us will come.
OSL and SC2 FIGHTING! Exactly. SC1 was fixed with BW, why can HotS and LotV be the same for SC2 it can. it's just it appears like the developers still don't know the proper direction to go with the game (as evidenced by warhounds) Blizzard's SC2 team should be praised for the willingness to scrap a unit during a beta phase. That shows that they care about the game, not about their image as a team of Mr. Perfects.
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I would like to see some stats about how many fans BW had just before the end (before the hybrid bs of course). What I wonder is how big part, if any, LoL had in the killing of BW and if BW could have competed with LoL if they kept going.
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Not too surprising to see LoL as their flagship game - it would be nice to see two OSLs next year though (no catastrophe if not, GSL is and will be SC2's premier league anyway).
Despite the release date being in March, it is necessary to wait for at least one month after the expansion to allow for players and spectators to adapt to the new game. I don't agree with this. Beta has been out for a while now, and I bet that the more casual viewers will have been introduced to HotS through lots of smaller beta tournaments by March. Even in Korea, I bet GSL will be doing some more introductory stuff.
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On December 28 2012 20:26 ACrow wrote:Not too surprising to see LoL as their flagship game - it would be nice to see two OSLs next year though (no catastrophe if not, GSL is and will be SC2's premier league anyway). Show nested quote +Despite the release date being in March, it is necessary to wait for at least one month after the expansion to allow for players and spectators to adapt to the new game. I don't agree with this. Beta has been out for a while now, and I bet that the more casual viewers will have been introduced to HotS through lots of smaller beta tournaments by March. Even in Korea, I bet GSL will be doing some more introductory stuff.
You missed the "players" part
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I honestly do not understand how people can say a game is dying or is broken. Games evolve and get better. Seems like many people expect too much early. Let the expansions roll out. Let it try to balance. Then if all else ails maybe. But we're only at the beginning.
Lets see how the hots pro league pans out.
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imo they should just let it go, personally OSL has always been related with bw and will always be remembered as one of the major tournaments in that game.
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On December 28 2012 13:51 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 13:51 Noocta wrote: It's not like we are lacking sc2 tournaments anyway.
but its OSL.....
Yeah, Jangbi vs Fantasy was nice. I'm okay with letting it go now, as sad at it is. Seing sc2 proleague already feel weird enough ~~
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so sad this lol thing even i liek play it sometimes, its just so boring to watch
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SC2 was never alive so how can it die?
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On December 28 2012 21:35 rasers wrote: SC2 was never alive so how can it die?
lol it´s my feeling too.
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Its sad that Starcraft is not the main thing anymore in korea, I have faith in the future for it to be back at some point.
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On December 28 2012 20:09 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 12:04 Patate wrote:On December 28 2012 11:32 purakushi wrote: While I did find SC2 fun for a while, it will not stand the test of time, even if there are 2 expansions. KESPA should just adopt SC2BW (and help finish developing the mod). >_< Totally agree.. anyone who thinks Starcraft 2 will last more than 6-7 years are fooling themselves. This game doesn't have the depth nor the potential of Brood War. We have made thousands of posts about what should be changed ( not balance) but the only ones who can change the actual decline is Blizzard.. not the viewers, not the leagues, not the players, not the teams. The game isn't even complete yet. Both SC1 and WC3 had their real take-off after the expansion. I guess we can extrapolate a bright future for SC2 with two expansions still to be released.
BW took 10 months to arrive, TFT took a year. HoTS will most likely take 3 years to arrive, and LoTV one more year if we're lucky... the customer's attention lifespan is way lower than that. Blizzard thinking they can make the customer pay 3 TIMES for parts of a game are just fooling themselves. It is a 90s philosophy, and it will not work. Besides, as I said in the post earlier, Blizzard has no intention of fixing the fundamentals of the game, because it would require a whole new year of balancing, which they want to avoid.
Don't get me wrong, SC2 is a good game to play, it is simply not up to the Standards of BW, and it will never be. The Dev team probably did their best but they are simply incompetent. What other reasons would you explain the launch of STARCRAFT 2 (not some indie game) WITHOUT CHATROOMS? It's really just a game made by developers of sub-par games like C&C and Dawn of War. It LOOKS like the successor of BW but the emphasis on online play are on different things, which leads me to believe the devs never watched professional BW.
God some people put their heads in the sand. The evidences are piling up on the current decline of Pro SC2, yet people think that JUST LIKE BW, it will be all better later on. It should have been great from the start, with all the initial hype.. yet all the casuals have left, and don't even watch the game anymore.
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On December 28 2012 20:15 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 13:53 rysecake wrote:On December 28 2012 13:50 Master of DalK wrote:On December 28 2012 13:10 silent_owl wrote: Well, I believe in SC2 and I believe in Blizzard. I always took Grubby's advice to heart that Blizzard is working hard on their expansions and have never failed to deliver with their subsequent follow-ups. I'm sure HotS will be better than what I already think is a good game in WoL. And there's no reason to say that LoV could not possibly turn out to be a great game.
Being a Street Fighter fan, I remember when the scene declined but it's vibrant as ever again now. I think as SC fans, we just have to have faith, keep playing, and keep supporting the game we love. Fads go in and out of fashion but we'll always love this game and I'm sure another time for us will come.
OSL and SC2 FIGHTING! Exactly. SC1 was fixed with BW, why can HotS and LotV be the same for SC2 it can. it's just it appears like the developers still don't know the proper direction to go with the game (as evidenced by warhounds) Blizzard's SC2 team should be praised for the willingness to scrap a unit during a beta phase. That shows that they care about the game, not about their image as a team of Mr. Perfects.
Ofc they should scrap units during a beta, that doesnt really say anything about them. The fact that stuff like close positions still arent fixed, or how long it took them to fix their damn map pool shows they care way too much about their pride IMO.
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On December 28 2012 20:16 Elroi wrote: I would like to see some stats about how many fans BW had just before the end (before the hybrid bs of course). What I wonder is how big part, if any, LoL had in the killing of BW and if BW could have competed with LoL if they kept going. LoL had nothing to do with the death of BW. The match-fixing scandal and the IP lawsuits already put BW on deathrow long before LoL became popular in Korea.
Don't use LoL as a scapegoat, please.
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On December 29 2012 00:23 jpak wrote:
Don't use LoL as a scapegoat, please.
Totally agree.. LoL is the main force that brings new viewers to E-sports. You all talk about " killing E-sports", LoL is actually the one that is making it live.
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On December 29 2012 00:23 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 20:16 Elroi wrote: I would like to see some stats about how many fans BW had just before the end (before the hybrid bs of course). What I wonder is how big part, if any, LoL had in the killing of BW and if BW could have competed with LoL if they kept going. LoL had nothing to do with the death of BW. The match-fixing scandal and the IP lawsuits already put BW on deathrow long before LoL became popular in Korea. Don't use LoL as a scapegoat, please.
Agree. LoL is irrelevant to BW decline. Blizzard fucked a lot more BW with the IP lawsuits. Blizzard attacking his own games was kind of stupid, anyway.
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On December 28 2012 13:10 silent_owl wrote: Well, I believe in SC2 and I believe in Blizzard. I always took Grubby's advice to heart that Blizzard is working hard on their expansions and have never failed to deliver with their subsequent follow-ups. I'm sure HotS will be better than what I already think is a good game in WoL. And there's no reason to say that LoV could not possibly turn out to be a great game.
Being a Street Fighter fan, I remember when the scene declined but it's vibrant as ever again now. I think as SC fans, we just have to have faith, keep playing, and keep supporting the game we love. Fads go in and out of fashion but we'll always love this game and I'm sure another time for us will come.
OSL and SC2 FIGHTING!
this.
Much of this semi-apocolyptic talk of decline is counterproductive because it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. If we're so negative about the future of sc2, then we have less confidence to continue loving and supporting it moving forward.
Also, it's not a zero sum game. Just because other esports are growing, doesn't meant sc2 is failing.
Keep faith
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On December 28 2012 16:24 Sinensis wrote: Not anyone, I assure you. Don't speak for all of us like that. I personally think HOTS is glitter on top of shit. A bandage on a quad amputation.
I'm sorry... but why do you even come to a forum where 70% of ALL discussion is about a game you can "shit"?
Why would you just not leave?
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