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On June 13 2007 10:25 Jathin wrote: I'm only posting this because I'm trying to get to 1500 posts so I can walk through the secret portal:
Mensrea was a News Writer. Andy is a PR columnist. Sure, they both have blue names - but their contributions to the website have different conditions. That's like telling Hot Bid that the Liquiscoops should follow the same format as the News articles. "Ken, no humor allowed, ok?"
PR is designed to be very subjective and opinionated. Along with that comes insults and biases. News is meant to purely state the facts and leave most of the other bullshit out. The PR is not a News Report, it is a column. It's kind of like a magazine where you have the News vs. Editorials/Letters to the Editor. The latter is far more subjective and opinionated than the former.
Um, Liquisqoop's humor was spot on. I miss Liquiscoop, and grieve that instead of that writeup which was a great writeup for the community ABOUT the community, we get the... ugh, some of the current incidents.
And the PR is on the front page. Keep it off of there then, if it's a column, duh.
-Mynock
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Btw, I quoted something from Live2Win's last report. Someone please asses it and tell me what they think about those quotes?
Here it is again so you don't have to look for it:
"From Live2Win's reports:
last weeks game was nothing short of rape. It was like watching a progamer play with a C5 newb. I don't know WHAT went on in that man's head, but he's gotta do less DDR, and more BW.
Hwasin, I am disgusted. You are doing so well despite everyone's claims of you being the weaker link, and you've been throwing all sorts of shit in their faces to prove otherwise... then you enter last week with a freaking bbs build and completely fail it. What a joke.
A match that should be a bit more interesting. Last week match turned out to be a horrendous, Light pausing the game and whining about the map being different. Honestly... how do you practice on an old version for weeks, play a match on it in Group Stages, and STILL NOT NOTICE IT?! This goes to the MBC coaching staff and his teammates.
Can anybody explain to me what this is doing on the front page? Can anybody deny to know JUST WHEN it all started, and WHO started it?"
-Mynock
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i'm assuming its this comment:
The good news is that's only 1 terran. The bad news is that we got 2 terrans guaranteed a spot, and 3 more that could possibly get in. Let's hope that doesn't happen. there's a widely held belief that there are too many terrans in the current MSL and OSL due to imbalanced qualification maps and the lopsided racial distribution. since almost everyone wants to see an even distribution (thus more diverse matchups, less mirrors, in the later rounds) it's not really that bad to say you want less terrans advancing if there's an overwhelming amount of terrans in the Ro16.
also, if you have a criticism with someone's live report you should PM him or discuss it in MiR first. not saying this is the case here but sometimes it can rub people the wrong way.
edit: oh you put in the quotes. read my last paragraph. if you believe said issue to be a problem i guess discuss it in the proper place (MiR or PM with Live2win).
also, not that i agree or disagree, i just want to understand your position a bit better, but are you saying you'd still have a problem with those quotes if Etter wrote them in the PR? is this just an issue specifically about front page and side feature, or about writing style in general for the site?
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On June 13 2007 10:54 Hot_Bid wrote:i'm assuming its this comment: Show nested quote +The good news is that's only 1 terran. The bad news is that we got 2 terrans guaranteed a spot, and 3 more that could possibly get in. Let's hope that doesn't happen. there's a widely held belief that there are too many terrans in the current MSL and OSL due to imbalanced qualification maps and the lopsided racial distribution. since almost everyone wants to see an even distribution (thus more diverse matchups, less mirrors, in the later rounds) it's not really that bad to say you want less terrans advancing if there's an overwhelming amount of terrans in the Ro16. also, if you have a criticism with someone's live report you should PM him or discuss it in MiR first. not saying this is the case here but sometimes it can rub people the wrong way. edit: oh you put in the quotes. read my last paragraph. if you believe said issue to be a problem i guess discuss it in the proper place (MiR or PM with Live2win). also, not that i agree or disagree, i just want to understand your position a bit better, but are you saying you'd still have a problem with those quotes if Etter wrote them in the PR? is this just an issue specifically about front page and side feature, or about writing style in general for the site?
Writing style generally for the site. HOWEVER, I will assume that is merely because I grew oversensitive for these things by now, and feel touchy about it on the whole. I agree, this sort of comments should be OK in the PR, if the PR is basically kept as a column, a separate feature. You got me convinced there, and even though I would still not be happy if stuff like Good-fucking-Friend was written even in the PR, fine - I concede. Altho I have to mention that Etter's style improved a lot since, so now that is not so much of a problem. Etter actually writes OK on the front page as well.
However, I see a pattern here. An overwhelming majority of news containing derogatory content. Nobody is praising a player anymore. Nobody notices any great moves about the games. There are two main reasons this is happening: the reports are previews, so you can only really write about the players, blindly, and: TL's bandwagon of trying to be über-cool and sound all mighty and hip and in-da-flow, like D-D-D-J Etter Stailah. Foh shizzle. You can write derogatory remarks if that is what rocks your boat and if that's all you can think of as being funny - fine. Just keep it off the front page - the representative face of TL.net. Please. Please.
The former I find a bit sad, but it's kinda unavoidable, because the age of the reports I believe is gone, but the second is a typical TL thing which I find disgusting. Same with Mantoss, but that's an other issue of course...
Well, these are my thoughts.
-Mynock
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what is this "secret portal" you speak of?
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
wtf happened to this topic
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Mynock what the hell do you even do here?
-omgbnetsux
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"Our signature is under attack!"
Damn, time to type gg here.
-Mynock
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I personally read the power rank mostly due to the way DJEtterStyle writes, but also because he knows what he's talking about. Theres a small share of people with same knowledge here, but very few of those able to articulate themselves in such a humorous way that he does.
The power rank isnt a dead serious ranking, and Im sure it was never meant to be either. It's supposed to be enjoyable and funny to read and at the same time give room for discussion. If he was supposed to wear silkgloves every time he talks about a player it would be boring. That being said it has to be original and with some flair. Just writing "he's terrible, horrible - insert other random negative slurs" wouldnt be funny. But when he writes for example in the comment on Midas problem with choking in important matches "He'll make a great girlfriend given he's a choker, but I can't give him first place due to his probable skill at fellatio, if I did that Tossgirl would be #1 every month". Stuff like this is funny for me atleast.
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Would Midas - or for that effect - any other player agree to an interview with TL.net if they had a clue as to how they're being represented on this site? Honestly.
And, would you, in their place?
Just a change of perspective.
-Mynock
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If I was being given so much attention that people from other countries were making a funny joke about me then I would definitely give an interview for the website ... but that's just me.
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Hey boghat, you suck so much I bet you're pretty popular at teh gaybars, you choker-beast, you Just a funny joke...
I said honestly now... Altho it was more of a rhetorical question. Of course he wouldn't, WTF.
-Mynock
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No one would deny TL.net an interview. Impossible.
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A few months ago I never thought I would say this, but I agree with MaGic~PhiL AND Mynock. Everything Mynock's written on the last two pages is perfectly reasonable and well-defended.
I think Jathin has a good handle on the situation as well.
One thing I think people should do more is try to remember who has said what and not assume that people who agree on one thing agree on everything else. Wasabi's comments were pretty over the top but jumping on MaGic~PhiL and Mynock over things they didn't say isn't a reasonable response to that.
In case anybody's keeping score, the Power Rank is my second-favorite feature of this site (Sorry Etter, I have to give the nod to Carnac's Proleague thread ).
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On June 13 2007 11:08 Mynock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2007 10:54 Hot_Bid wrote:i'm assuming its this comment: The good news is that's only 1 terran. The bad news is that we got 2 terrans guaranteed a spot, and 3 more that could possibly get in. Let's hope that doesn't happen. there's a widely held belief that there are too many terrans in the current MSL and OSL due to imbalanced qualification maps and the lopsided racial distribution. since almost everyone wants to see an even distribution (thus more diverse matchups, less mirrors, in the later rounds) it's not really that bad to say you want less terrans advancing if there's an overwhelming amount of terrans in the Ro16. also, if you have a criticism with someone's live report you should PM him or discuss it in MiR first. not saying this is the case here but sometimes it can rub people the wrong way. edit: oh you put in the quotes. read my last paragraph. if you believe said issue to be a problem i guess discuss it in the proper place (MiR or PM with Live2win). also, not that i agree or disagree, i just want to understand your position a bit better, but are you saying you'd still have a problem with those quotes if Etter wrote them in the PR? is this just an issue specifically about front page and side feature, or about writing style in general for the site? Writing style generally for the site. HOWEVER, I will assume that is merely because I grew oversensitive for these things by now, and feel touchy about it on the whole. I agree, this sort of comments should be OK in the PR, if the PR is basically kept as a column, a separate feature. You got me convinced there, and even though I would still not be happy if stuff like Good-fucking-Friend was written even in the PR, fine - I concede. Altho I have to mention that Etter's style improved a lot since, so now that is not so much of a problem. Etter actually writes OK on the front page as well. However, I see a pattern here. An overwhelming majority of news containing derogatory content. Nobody is praising a player anymore. Nobody notices any great moves about the games. There are two main reasons this is happening: the reports are previews, so you can only really write about the players, blindly, and: TL's bandwagon of trying to be über-cool and sound all mighty and hip and in-da-flow, like D-D-D-J Etter Stailah. Foh shizzle. You can write derogatory remarks if that is what rocks your boat and if that's all you can think of as being funny - fine. Just keep it off the front page - the representative face of TL.net. Please. Please. The former I find a bit sad, but it's kinda unavoidable, because the age of the reports I believe is gone, but the second is a typical TL thing which I find disgusting. Same with Mantoss, but that's an other issue of course... Well, these are my thoughts. -Mynock
In my opinion, the reason that people are drawn to TL.net, rather than any other sites, is the PERSONALITY that is evident in every single news post, article, or feature.
The derogatory comments add flavor, not everything has to be a strict, to the point and 'front-page worthy.'
Why can't the "representative face of TL.net" actually respresent TL.net? Why can't it have some flavor? Some mistakes? Some derogatory comments? Some realism?
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Lets just agree on these few things and finish this stupid offtopic \'\'discussions ( !?)\'\'
1) Nada does not deserve to be on the top 10 ranking right now. 2) Obviously NaDa didnt play too well. After all he lost. If he sucked in these games and what so ever.. is everyones own opinion. ( Some people find Boxer rules the shit when he loses a tight match and at the same time call NaDa a loser for beating Anytime 3:2 ). But after all its everyones own opinion. 3) NaDa does not suck in general, otherwise he couldnt have reached what he did. How can the probably most successful player ever suck ? 4) If you dont like NaDa say it. Its your opinion but if u dont like someone dont say he sucks, because not liking someone is one thing but denying he is skilled is another. And no matter how bad NaDa plays nowadays what he did do before is the exact opposite of sucking. 5) Some people write such \'\'statements\'\' with alot of irony or sarcams so dont get too annoyed or dont take it too serious, because most of it is just fun. 6) No one should try to \'\' defend\'\' a pro gamer. Its useless, he doesnt care at all what the PRanking is and what most people here think..
Mynock i guess its DJ\'s job to let this all sound a bit more \'\'spicy\'\'. Whats the deal if he writes only objective, calm and with no enthusiasm and no irony and well..
NaDa lost his last important games there for he is out of the top 10 ranking. Bisu is still winning his games therefor he stays at 1. Savior is also doing good recently he stays at 2. Stork is playing very good lately, too. Deserves 3.
ect..
that would be more like the truth ( !? ) but.. it sounds just dull and..u know..
So all here shouldnt take it too serious, but on the other hand i dont like it if some guys are randomly making stupid statements about players.
I just hate these kind of guys who are blind. Everyone they dislike sucks and has no skill and style and everyone they love is the winner even if he loses. Thats a thing id like to stop. Irony and sarcasm is something different and i like it. No matter which player\'s made fun of. Even if hes my favourite..
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