If you want even more demonstrations of how strong Goku's Normal Mode is, you just have to look at what happened after he died in the Cell Games, and went to that stupid tournament (plus the part where he went to DBZ hell with his friend and they cleaned house).
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cLutZ
United States19553 Posts
If you want even more demonstrations of how strong Goku's Normal Mode is, you just have to look at what happened after he died in the Cell Games, and went to that stupid tournament (plus the part where he went to DBZ hell with his friend and they cleaned house). | ||
Olinimmm
51 Posts
On September 23 2013 16:43 RyLai wrote: Cause Goku fucked up and saved Hercule and his dog instead of the fighters. There is a link on what the power levels can destroy based on the statement that it takes 300 kilis to destroy a planet. 1) He's not punching back. Yeah, some things don't make sense. For things like that, we have only 1 reasonable explanation: plot. Also, AT didn't write DBZ with the intention of sticking to something like power levels. We create power level lists for fun, to put an understandable value on their powers, and in my case cause the math turned out much better than I thought it ever possibly could, considering a some of the numbers given to us were initially so hard to believe (SS2 being 2x SS, fusion being AxB). 2) Gohan thought of the no Super Saiyan rule last minute. He was more concerned with protecting his identity than the prize money. Are you saying you think out EVERY on-the-spot decision you've made in your life 100% through in 5 seconds? If so, you're a genius. 3) Yakon is stunned because they've never heard of the concept of seeing ki. Yakon thought he had an indomitable advantage and it was thrown in his face. If you were playing texas hold em, and you could see your opponent's cards without them knowing, you had a pair of aces, go all in, and he calls you with a 3-4 off suit and wins, and it turns out he can read the flop, turn, and river on top of seeing your hand, wouldn't you be mind blown? Mathematically, if Goku was at 800 kilis, or even just 700 kilis, that means Super Saiyan is 35,000 kilis, and Super Saiyan 2 is 70,000 kilis. Considering Dabura is over 4,000 kilis, and is comparable to Perfect Cell in strength, that means Goku can trash Perfect Cell with a Kaioken x6. Do you see how retarded the idea of base Goku being anywhere close to Yakon is if you actually do the math? If you don't like it, then go with the fact that AT is a forgetful person and that he's not a mathematician and chalk it down to plot. You could go with the decaying SS multipliers theory, but if you go with that, you literally ARE just pulling numbers out of your ass, even if the numbers seem more sensible, they're nothing but what you feel would be good and have no real data to base your numbers off of. 4) His initial guess was 60k. After fighting a bit he hit the number pretty close. Frieza was a joke the instant Trunks showed up. Frieza has been a joke ever since the ending of the Frieza arc. Having the kids be ridiculously high without any real rigorous training would be tough to imagine. Also, in one of the later specials, they were supposed to be a good match for Frieza. Given that I wouldn't say my half-Saiyan kid was a good match for the guy unless his power level was around 3 million (cause anything more would be overkill), I'm going to say that their power level has to be under 3 million. I mean, if their base was 120 million, then it wouldn't be a close match because if my kid throws a tantrum because things aren't going his way, he'll just go super and wipe the floor with the guy; that's not much of a good match. Yeah. The thing is, it wasn't released on DVD until earlier this month, so basically if you looked for it 5 months ago, it didn't exist (trust me, I looked too, then I googled the DVD release date and saw it to be September). 1. Once again you have no argument here...ok so trunks can hit vegeta in the face even though hes 25 times weaker cause plot. What? How is it plot for SSjtrunks to be able to hit SSjVegeta when hes 25 times stronger, when according to you only a 30 percent difference is a stomp. But Goku being suppressed is just unthinkable for some reason. 2. It's not complicated, everyone knows how strong Piccolo is, if it just slipped Gohan and Vegeta's mind don't you think they would've realized when they saw him at the tournament? "Oh shit hes 20 times stronger than us in base, fuck that no super saiyan rule" The saiyans all agreed on the no super saiyan rule, and yet showed absolutely no sign that they were in any way worried about facing Piccolo or 18. Clearly they believe they are superior in base... 3. That's an anime only line, All we know about Dabura in terms of kilis is that he's confident in defeating someone with 3000 kilis, he could easily be at 35,000. 4. Yeah because he knows how much power hes using and Goku was matching him. How does this mean anything in terms of Bills magically sensing goku's suppressed ki? Well, obviously Goku meant a close match in base because that's what they fought them in. Tarble: "As strong as freeza was" Kids then proceed to fight with a slight edge on abo and cado in base till they have no choice to fuse. So how can they possibly be at 3 mil? | ||
Abominous
Croatia1625 Posts
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1702 Posts
as awesome as discussing power levels should be, dball is filled with so many inconsistencies that it almost takes the fun out of it | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On September 23 2013 05:20 Pretty Aluminum wrote: ssj 3 goku is by far the strongest at the end of dbz. Anyone who claims Mystic gohan is stronger is instantly stupid. There is no doubt that mystic gohan is stronger than ssj3 goku. This is made less obvious in the english translation than in the original, but there is no doubt Toriyama intended Mystic Gohan to be stronger. The only situation where Goku is shown as clearly stronger than Mystic Gohan is in a movie, which obviously doesn't count. | ||
shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
Also.. Mystic Gohan = Ultimate Gohan right? | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:19 shin_toss wrote: What does SSJ mean? I only followed til Buu saga Super Saiyajin, the japanese term for super saiyan. Yes, Ultimate Gohan and Mystic Gohan refers to the same form. I don't think it's actually ever named in the series, fans started calling it Mystic Gohan and then it was called "Ultimate gohan" in some video games. | ||
SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
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Olinimmm
51 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:37 SolidMoose wrote: These numbers are way bigger than any other list I've seen. Particularly, the huge jump starts at Frieza where I've read 6 million at 50%, not 60 million. I've seen those same numbers, just with one less 0. Yeah some people put Frieza at 12 million(though usually trolling) but its completely wrong. We know for a fact that 2nd Form frieza is at least 1 mil. Then inital Final Form Frieza is >>> 2nd form and =< to Goku post Zenkai. Goku pulls off a x20 kamehameha and it still doesnt hurt Frieza, which would be impossible. | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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Olinimmm
51 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:49 Tobberoth wrote: It's not trolling, Akira Toriyama officially released powerlevels and put final form Frieza at 12 million while SSJ Goku sits at 15 million. It might not be logical, but it is official. lol. ok link me to this then. | ||
Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:49 Tobberoth wrote: It's not trolling, Akira Toriyama officially released powerlevels and put final form Frieza at 12 million while SSJ Goku sits at 15 million. It might not be logical, but it is official. For me 12 milllion and 15 million seems way more logical, but I think the 120 milllion and 150 million are the official numbers. | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
http://www.angelfire.com/anime/cronosdbzrpg/powerlevels.html | ||
Olinimmm
51 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:53 Tobberoth wrote: http://www.angelfire.com/anime/cronosdbzrpg/powerlevels.html ok i get it. I say that people troll saying frieza is 12 mil, so you troll me saying frieza is 12 mil. Nice you almost had me. | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:55 Olinimmm wrote: ok i get it. I say that people troll saying frieza is 12 mil, so you troll me saying frieza is 12 mil. Nice you almost had me. You have to always go with what you think is authentic. The highest PL ever mentioned in the actual series is Frieza claiming to be at 1 mil when reaching form 2. Going by the guide books, the highest mentioned is Goku at 150 mil as SSJ, but Akira didn't write that. | ||
thezanursic
5478 Posts
Goku: 416 SS3 Goku: 24 billion What the fuck? | ||
Olinimmm
51 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:59 Tobberoth wrote: You have to always go with what you think is authentic. The highest PL ever mentioned in the actual series is Frieza claiming to be at 1 mil when reaching form 2. Going by the guide books, the highest mentioned is Goku at 150 mil as SSJ, but Akira didn't write that. You just said Akira officially stated that ssj goku was 15 mil, he didn't though, On September 23 2013 20:00 thezanursic wrote: Amm I've only seen like 3-4 episodes of the show, but Goku: 416 SS3 Goku: 24 billion What the fuck? To be fair, he did die twice, get trained by Gods, and fulfill an an alien prophecy to get to that power. | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On September 23 2013 20:03 Olinimmm wrote: You just said Akira officially stated that ssj goku was 15 mil, he didn't though, Several pages claim it, however, since only kids write these lists, they never provide any sources. I mean, if we only go by what is actually written in the manga, we're stuck at Friezas second form regardless, so there's no point in saying that they are trolling when they give later numbers. Either they have some source we don't know about, or they are just speculating like everyone else. | ||
Uhnno
Netherlands288 Posts
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/guides/battle_power/databook/databook_daiz7left.png?97cc0a That's as official as we can get. | ||
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