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Surprised that there's no thread on this. Pretty scary incident. Sounds like a hate crime based on everything so far. RIP to the three victims. I hope that justice prevails in the end. Some relevant quotes:
Officers were called to reports of gunshots at 5.11pm at an apartment block largely housing academics and young professionals on Summerwalk Circle in Chapel Hill.
A 46-year-old man, named by police as Craig Stephen Hicks, has been arrested on suspicion of three counts of first-degree murder.
Hicks described himself as an atheist on Facebook and posted regular images and text condemning all religions. Police said he handed himself in last night.
In a statement released on Wednesday morning (local time), Chapel Hill Police said that a preliminary investigation suggested the crime was “motivated by an ongoing neighbour dispute over parking”.
But the women’s father, Dr Mohammad Abu-Salha, who has a psychiatry practice in Clayton, told the North Carolina News and Observer that he believed the shooting was based on the religion and culture of the victims.
"This was not a dispute over a parking space; this was a hate crime," he said.
He went on to allege that Hicks had "picked on" his daughter and her husband "a couple times before."
"They were uncomfortable with him, but they did not know he would go this far," he said.
Some compared the incident to the Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris, and others called on Barack Obama and senior religious figures to condemn the attacks.
An American football and basketball fan, Mr Barakat was believed to be a dental student at the University of North Carolina and volunteered with a charity providing emergency dental care to children in Palestine.
He regularly posted on Twitter, and wrote in January: “It's so freaking sad to hear people saying we should ‘kill Jews’ or ‘kill Palestinians’. As if that's going to solve anything.” Really sad all around. What do you guys think was the reason for this (based on what we have)?
Link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chapel-hill-shooting-three-young-muslims-gunned-down-in-north-carolina-at-their-family-home-10037734.html
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We don't really have any useful facts to make a determination.
Why do police think it was over a parking spot over religion? What were their previous arguments/harassment(?) about?
Hate crime is such a silly phrase, a crime is a crime no matter the motivation. Is killing someone because you hate them for their religion/race any worse/better than killing them because you hate them due to non race/religion reasons?
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So this was either about atheism, a dispute about parking, or a hate crime targeting Muslims. Bizarre.
I feel sad for the loss of the three people. The trial should be interesting since this psycho turned himself in.
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On February 12 2015 09:57 Chewbacca. wrote: We don't really have any useful facts to make a determination.
Why do police think it was over a parking spot over religion? What were their previous arguments/harassment(?) about?
Hate crime is such a silly phrase, a crime is a crime no matter the motivation. Is killing someone because you hate them for their religion/race any worse/better than killing them because you hate them due to non race/religion reasons?
Murder is murder and there and nothing can be done when talking about the dead, but the fact that some people are dead because of someone's prejudices against a certain group is what makes incidents like this rather significant.
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While I sincerely doubt it was the trigger or main motivator, it seems naive to think the atmosphere of animosity toward Muslims (especially in NC) didn't contribute to the decision to kill 3 people, 1 young man and 2 women, one of which was still a teenager.
That's an especially heinous crime. Considering they were all shot in the head, it sounds pretty cold-blooded, regardless of how heated an argument over parking might get.
Hard for me to believe he hadn't had several of those "One of these days..." moments with his wife, though I wouldn't expect her to rat her husband out even if he clearly screwed up.
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This is sad and another crazy thing going on in the world...glad my sister doesn't go to school there anymore, will pray for the victims families...god bless
EDIT : Suspicion ? Oh I read this wrong. If no one was hurt then this was a good thing they got caught before hand.
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this was a hate crime through and through. i won't say i'm religious but i do believe in a greater power. with that being said, the guy obviously requires both psychiatry help and to be locked up. there is no excuse to kill a person over beliefs that do not threaten your survival.
but i think setting an example here would be great for everyone alike, so i'd like to be the first one to say, yeah what he did was blatantly wrong, but by no means should others who are religious condemn this man's actions as a thing that represents all or any other person who is atheist. i often times feel like these articles get out of hand and misinterpreted easily. generally it's a religious figure who is blown up in the media, and the rest of those who maybe in that religion take the fall for their behavior, it's about time we stop this blind stereotyping.
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lol parking...really? condolences to the family/friends of the victims...
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bit egregious that there is so little media coverage on this if the demographics of the victims and perpetrator were reversed, i am fairly sure we might be hearing more about this
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On February 12 2015 13:08 phosphorylation wrote: bit egregious that there is so little media coverage on this if the demographics of the victims and perpetrator were reversed, i am fairly sure we might be hearing more about this not to mention the endless 'TERRORISM' angle here. But thats the nice part about being white, some nutso goes crazy and kills people and you dont have to defend the entire culture but if you are brown better be prepared to explain the last 600 years of history...
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On February 12 2015 13:48 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 13:08 phosphorylation wrote: bit egregious that there is so little media coverage on this if the demographics of the victims and perpetrator were reversed, i am fairly sure we might be hearing more about this not to mention the endless 'TERRORISM' angle here. But thats the nice part about being white, some nutso goes crazy and kills people and you dont have to defend the entire culture but if you are brown better be prepared to explain the last 600 years of history...
I doubt it will be too long till it gets turned into an anti-Atheist/Progressive/Media type meme though.
Pre-post edit: Damn that was fast...
Three Muslim students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill were tragically murdered by a crazed progressive atheist, and the mainstream media is ignoring that fact.
Yet even a passive look at his Facebook page would reveal Hicks is not only a rabid atheist, but a passionate progressive.
Source
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Yea the over the parking spot thing is a little over the top lol >_<
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On February 12 2015 12:53 saocyn wrote: this was a hate crime through and through. i won't say i'm religious but i do believe in a greater power. with that being said, the guy obviously requires both psychiatry help and to be locked up. there is no excuse to kill a person over beliefs that do not threaten your survival.
but i think setting an example here would be great for everyone alike, so i'd like to be the first one to say, yeah what he did was blatantly wrong, but by no means should others who are religious condemn this man's actions as a thing that represents all or any other person who is atheist. i often times feel like these articles get out of hand and misinterpreted easily. generally it's a religious figure who is blown up in the media, and the rest of those who maybe in that religion take the fall for their behavior, it's about time we stop this blind stereotyping.
Going to play devils advocate and ask how do you KNOW this was a hate crime? It's weird to me people KNOW this is a hate crime even though we have almost no facts besides he loathes religion.
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Looks like a hate crime that is being covered up as something else to avoid a media frenzy/mass protest.
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On February 12 2015 22:26 SwizzY wrote: Looks like a hate crime that is being covered up as something else to avoid a media frenzy/mass protest. But why? Tell us why you think its a hate crime.
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I find it so stupid that an atheist would do this. So he doesn't believe in the after life, and now he will spend the remaining portion of his life behind bars. With no thought in his mind of ever ascending into something better. What a fucking moron, even by his own judgement. All to prove a point that what.. Muslims kill people (what?).. as he kills people too.. And if it was over a parking spot, what the fuck? That's just as dumb.. spend 1 minute driving around.. or 1 lifetime in jail.
Don't normally say this but, damn, this guy needs some corporal punishment ontop of that jail time.
So insane, so sad.
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I'll wait for the investigation to finish before figuring what the shooters goals were. To me it's just another crime. I don't feel a great need to have threads/discuss every murder that happens. This was only 3 murders in a single incident. That's just not much at all for the US.
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On February 12 2015 10:05 coverpunch wrote: So this was either about atheism, a dispute about parking, or a hate crime targeting Muslims. Bizarre.
I feel sad for the loss of the three people. The trial should be interesting since this psycho turned himself in. I'm curious about this, did you genuinely feel sadness (which is a very strong emotion) over the death of 3 random people? So...perma-feels when you learn that 1.8 people die every second.
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On February 12 2015 23:04 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 10:05 coverpunch wrote: So this was either about atheism, a dispute about parking, or a hate crime targeting Muslims. Bizarre.
I feel sad for the loss of the three people. The trial should be interesting since this psycho turned himself in. I'm curious about this, did you genuinely feel sadness (which is a very strong emotion) over the death of 3 random people? So...perma-feels when you learn that 1.8 people die every second. This shows a complete lack of understanding of human nature.
would you feel sad if someone you know of passed away?
people feel more related when you paint the story out and therefore it is expected that some would feel sad given how much these 3 people media have been providing information about.
would you feel lucky or sad if you have cancer now that you know 1.8 people die every second and you only have cancer? Do you not feel anything because "x" is always bigger/happening/happened?
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I'm sorry I'm not as liberal with my emotions. I'm also sorry for my complete lack of understanding of human nature. I'd feel sad about it, if I didn't know what "sad" actually means.
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