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I watch a lot of SC2. I mean...it is a little bit embarrassing how much SC2 I watch. All Proleague, all GSL, all WCS, all tournies that award WCS points, even most qualifiers...
Why do I say this? It is just to introduce myself a little and to show that I am familiar with SC2 esports as it is presented by English casters.
Now one thing that really really really yanks my chain and totally detracts from my viewing experience is commentator bias. You know when you are watching a sweet match say between Maru and Byul, and Moonglade is like: "yeah this map needs to be changed to balance it in favor of zergs," or you're watching MMA v Parting and Apollo goes "Protoss has all the questions and Terran has only two answers."
Now I get it ok. Casters are people and people are entitled to their opinions and personal choices (lol). But I for one really dislike the caster watering up with butt hurt expressions over race and balance in live casts. There are forums and arenas for that and a live cast is not one them.
That said, I want everyone to rank these casters in order of Race Bias (most bias to least). Note: this list is not my order.
Rotti Nathanias Incontrol Tasteless Artosis Apollo Moonglade Wolfe Kaelaris Valdes Rifkin ZG Khaldor
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Nope. And a little personal opinion in a cast is no problem for me, I actually like it that most SC2casters are somewhat unprofessional in that sense. You should watch an FGC-tournament (Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat etc.) for comparison, your brain will explode XD.
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Would rather a caster that know what they are talking about then them ramble on about nothing but the plain obvious.
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On May 04 2015 16:05 Shkudde wrote: Nope. And a little personal opinion in a cast is no problem for me, I actually like it that most SC2casters are somewhat unprofessional in that sense. You should watch an FGC-tournament (Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat etc.) for comparison, your brain will explode XD.
I also watch a lot of CSGO (I work from home - a stream on in the background is the norm), the commentating there is 1st rate in my opinion - very little player, team, side bias.
I really like all the casters I listed. Its just that I hate it when they go all butt hurt~~
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I don't watch English commentary anymore now that O'Gaming has coverage of pretty much everything. I'd say the only caster with race bias in their team is Moman (and even then it comes across as laughing, not whining). So... not a problem for me =)
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I don't think they need to be completely unbiased, having favorites also adds a little bit of flavor to me(in the fanboy sense), though balance complaints can be somewhat hype killing.
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On May 04 2015 16:10 Apom wrote: I don't watch English commentary anymore now that O'Gaming has coverage of pretty much everything. I'd say the only caster with race bias in their team is Moman (and even then it comes across as laughing, not whining). So... not a problem for me =)
I too like to watch O'gaming. I can only understand a little French but those dudes are funny and always enjoyable.
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Not everything is bias tbh. Sometimes saying that a race has an on a map advantage is fine (although that Moonglade example is abit too far). Blatant race whine is pretty disgusting though.
Also regarding the list, id put Rifkin, Artosis and ZG abit higher and maybe tasteless down abit
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On May 04 2015 16:12 annedeman wrote: I don't think they need to be completely unbiased, having favorites also adds a little bit of flavor to me, though balance complaints can be somewhat hype killing.
Very much so man. Balance complaints are not cool mid game. Now I get it if there is down time, but honestly in game it is terrabad.
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On May 04 2015 16:14 GreenMash wrote: Not everything is bias tbh. Sometimes saying that a race has an on a map advantage is fine (although that Moonglade example is abit too far). Blatant race whine is pretty disgusting though.
Also regarding the list, id put Rifkin, Artosis and ZG abit higher and maybe tasteless down abit
Yeah , That is not my list.
My list is like this:
1) Khaldor 2) Moonglade (great caster otherwise) 3) Nathanias 4) Rifkin 5) Arty (still the best caster though imo) 6) Incontrol (no one gets as butthurt) 7) Apollo (great caster otherwise though) 8) Rotti (one of the best casters for sure) 9) ZG (sorry but she is great!!!) 10) Wolfe (really good) 11) Kaelaris (I hear he is in Gold league anyway bless him hehehe)
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Let casters be people too, weve already had the "every caster is a generic clone"-phase and let me tell you, it was really effing boring.
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On May 04 2015 16:30 NEEDZMOAR wrote: Let casters be people too, weve already had the "generic every caster is a clone"-phase and let me tell you, it was really effing boring.
Yeh I really don't want clone casters...but I wish they would bring their positive personalities to the table as opposed to their own butt hurt experiences.
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Watch football olympics with commentator of their country. IG : France - Bresil with french commentator.
Then you realized that no SC2 caster is biased.
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To me atm the problem is more the lack of good terran casting korean competitions, Moonglade has incredible knowledge about zergs ofc, tastosis is still very good on protoss, btu when in comes to analysing a terran game, the skill goes down.
And when it's TvT... time to switch to O'gaming to hear Funka cast
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On May 04 2015 16:46 Gwavajuice wrote:To me atm the problem is more the lack of good terran casting korean competitions, Moonglade has incredible knowledge about zergs ofc, tastosis is still very good on protoss, btu when in comes to analysing a terran game, the skill goes down. And when it's TvT... time to switch to O'gaming to hear Funka cast
Yeah I have felt this too, I wish Apollo would cast in Korea. Even though he is bias hard at times, he is still a top level Terran caster. And I am pretty sure that if there was a caster competition, he would win it.
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On May 04 2015 16:53 AxiomBlurr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 16:46 Gwavajuice wrote:To me atm the problem is more the lack of good terran casting korean competitions, Moonglade has incredible knowledge about zergs ofc, tastosis is still very good on protoss, btu when in comes to analysing a terran game, the skill goes down. And when it's TvT... time to switch to O'gaming to hear Funka cast Yeah I have felt this too, I wish Apollo would cast in Korea. Even though he is bias hard at times, he is still a top level Terran caster. Apollo plays Zerg.
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On May 04 2015 16:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 16:53 AxiomBlurr wrote:On May 04 2015 16:46 Gwavajuice wrote:To me atm the problem is more the lack of good terran casting korean competitions, Moonglade has incredible knowledge about zergs ofc, tastosis is still very good on protoss, btu when in comes to analysing a terran game, the skill goes down. And when it's TvT... time to switch to O'gaming to hear Funka cast Yeah I have felt this too, I wish Apollo would cast in Korea. Even though he is bias hard at times, he is still a top level Terran caster. Apollo plays Zerg.
Apollo plays all three races. Has accounts with all three races in M.
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Khaldor is ABSOLUTELY biased towards Zerg, wtf. Do you even watch the same commentator?
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On May 04 2015 16:59 AxiomBlurr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 16:57 ZAiNs wrote:On May 04 2015 16:53 AxiomBlurr wrote:On May 04 2015 16:46 Gwavajuice wrote:To me atm the problem is more the lack of good terran casting korean competitions, Moonglade has incredible knowledge about zergs ofc, tastosis is still very good on protoss, btu when in comes to analysing a terran game, the skill goes down. And when it's TvT... time to switch to O'gaming to hear Funka cast Yeah I have felt this too, I wish Apollo would cast in Korea. Even though he is bias hard at times, he is still a top level Terran caster. Apollo plays Zerg. Apollo plays random. Has accounts with all three races in M. He at least mained Zerg for the first couple of years of SC2, that means he has Zerg blood in him.
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Im fine with bias but i hate those player bashing.
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