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On May 05 2015 15:48 Cascade wrote:I really can't understand how people find tasteless a good commentator. He spend most of the time talking other things, and he takes any chance he can get to claim that the game has come to a "lull" which is an excuse to resume talking about completely different things while he should be commentating on how both players are scouting, harassing and preparing for next big battle. As we are talking about other sports, how often do you hear commentators talk about things not related to the sport on TV? I have found myself switching him of several times just to be able to watch the game, but the I don't get the sound effects. "shut up with your pokemon tasteless, I am trying to watch the game!" Many times I have seen the observer desperately trying to draw the attention of tasteless (and the other commentator that has been drawn into the off-topic discussion) to a drop or harass, or tech switch, or important scout, or barely missing to scout something etc, but the commentators just go on and on and on about how awesome it'd be if pokemon X had power Y against pokemon Z when tasteless was a kid... I have never played pokemon, and I don't care the slightest about it, so please do your damn job tasteless!!! > : ( So after that rant, I am just curious what other people appreciate in him. I guess he is less biased as he doesn't care the slightest about the game, but... >_> I can see where you're coming from honestly. Tasteless is one of my favorite casters actually, but that's because I'd rather have him talk about something else rather than the game. I know what is happening in the game, I can see it with my eyes, I don't really need anyone to explain to me what's happening, so if he can make me have a good time while I'm watching the game, I'll be happy with that. But to be frank, it's obvious that Tasteless hasn't played much SC2 since a long time ago, and that he doesn't watch it outside of the games he casts, so his game knowledge is very limited. His tactical insight is quite good though, he sees what a player could do with the units he has in the map location he's in. But in the end, he mostly casts through sheer charisma nowadays :D.
I think people who like Tasteless as a caster have mostly the same opinion as me, because it's objectively true that he isn't much of the "game scholar" that other good casters are. Tasteless is just the coolest guy who casts games, as it happens :D
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"Tasteless is just the coolest guy who casts games, as it happens :D"
This is really hard to argue with...In fact I cannot...if there is one person I want to have a night out getting smash face drunk with in esports it is Tasteless... I mean who can come up with a name like DJ Fabutaste!!!???
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Its not so much the race bias (which can be annoying, for me at least when T...anyway) player bias really pisses me off, like Maru hype beyond the extreme etc, it can really get annoying
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To echo the sentiments of some of the other commenters, I too am a fan of commentators having some slight player or racial biases. It really adds flavour to the casting and makes it feel like there are real people with real thoughts talking about the game rather than two figureheads telling me exactly what I'm already seeing. So long as they're not all circlejerking about the same race/player (which rarely happens thank god), I'm totally cool with it, even if their biases are different from mine.
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On May 04 2015 17:16 Isualin wrote:This gem by Chill came to my mind after reading the title Race and player bias will obviously happen and it is not a problem imo. But if all the casters are defending the same player or race it turns into a circlejerk. <3Gigantic quote!
On May 04 2015 21:15 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 17:17 Destructicon wrote: I think its ok for casters to mention that certain maps or certain map features favor certain races or styles, it isn't bias as much as it is presenting information. I think its ok to mention that certain races are struggling at one time or another, either in general of in a specific MU, because of the meta-game. I think its even fine to say if a player is favored against another player if they cite good reasons like practice environment (Korea vs EU, team house vs home practice) etc. What I do hate is overhyping certain players because the casters just love them or because they are foreigners. Yeah we get it, you like them, you can mention it a couple of times but for the love of god don't make the entire cast about them.
Overall though the quality of casters has generally gone up. pretty much my thoughts verbatim. sometimes single player hype goes over the top but i tend to think they do a pretty good job with this stuff (i mainly watch gsl and proleague) Yes yes! (ty gsl for RE medium version and free chat <3)!
My 2 cents: the meta game has only ever had but one voice: the casters voices mingled into one. Any vocal vociferous people of the "community" (players, ,and then people who hang around them etc), can be the "meta game" (providing what is said is accurately bravely cutely decisively energetically f*ing on point). So, ..let these be real voices (tasteless' comes to mind, catz qxc rotti (when doing offline showmatches) morrow nanni' (same offline comment) .. chill .. the list is quite extensive!).
It is funny how when you watch a stream, if you dislike anything it ruins it for you (the voice, the tshirt, the music, the hd or not, the race played, her/his/its gameplay etc).. just one thing and you go somewhere else. Hard audience to fulfill and make content, no?
Off topic, sorry, but I get to wondering if your op isn't biased in and in of itself? I for one see no mention of particularly important pieces of the puzzle...
Casters in official capacity have to "work". This means they are not themselves "on cue". So a ratio or % or something.. about each caster's ability to not "become a drone" while "working" seems important (to me). Casting sc is an art. Sometimes the art of letting things happen, but most of the time calling it like it is.
Forever imba race: + Show Spoiler +
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On May 05 2015 16:24 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 15:45 althaz wrote:On May 04 2015 19:11 AxiomBlurr wrote:On May 04 2015 18:17 tshi wrote: Does anyone remember who did that unbiased commentator satire video? Was it Chill? It was someone from back in the day (2011, lol [lol means that its sarcasm and that back in the day doesn't mean much in sc2, it was a joke] its linked above dude,,,it was Chill I loved Chill's commentating (his real commentating). Whatever happened to that guy (was one of my fave casters early days). naniwa punched him into retirement Chill will never die!
On May 05 2015 16:40 ZenithM wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2015 15:48 Cascade wrote:I really can't understand how people find tasteless a good commentator. He spend most of the time talking other things, and he takes any chance he can get to claim that the game has come to a "lull" which is an excuse to resume talking about completely different things while he should be commentating on how both players are scouting, harassing and preparing for next big battle. As we are talking about other sports, how often do you hear commentators talk about things not related to the sport on TV? I have found myself switching him of several times just to be able to watch the game, but the I don't get the sound effects. "shut up with your pokemon tasteless, I am trying to watch the game!" Many times I have seen the observer desperately trying to draw the attention of tasteless (and the other commentator that has been drawn into the off-topic discussion) to a drop or harass, or tech switch, or important scout, or barely missing to scout something etc, but the commentators just go on and on and on about how awesome it'd be if pokemon X had power Y against pokemon Z when tasteless was a kid... I have never played pokemon, and I don't care the slightest about it, so please do your damn job tasteless!!! > : ( So after that rant, I am just curious what other people appreciate in him. I guess he is less biased as he doesn't care the slightest about the game, but... >_> I can see where you're coming from honestly. Tasteless is one of my favorite casters actually, but that's because I'd rather have him talk about something else rather than the game. I know what is happening in the game, I can see it with my eyes, I don't really need anyone to explain to me what's happening, so if he can make me have a good time while I'm watching the game, I'll be happy with that. But to be frank, it's obvious that Tasteless hasn't played much SC2 since a long time ago, and that he doesn't watch it outside of the games he casts, so his game knowledge is very limited. His tactical insight is quite good though, he sees what a player could do with the units he has in the map location he's in. But in the end, he mostly casts through sheer charisma nowadays :D. I think people who like Tasteless as a caster have mostly the same opinion as me, because it's objectively true that he isn't much of the "game scholar" that other good casters are. Tasteless is just the coolest guy who casts games, as it happens :D Cool is kewl!
Edit: Forgot to mention des tiny, when he is in the groove, steven is really good too.
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I would rather have someone who is biased but knows what they are talking about than a caster who is so clueless that they don't have any personal input whatsoever. Unfortunate that some have a bad combination of the two
I would not rank the casters because to me it is old news and petty to rehash. The bias in most casters does not bother me unless they are simply talking nonsense with no reasoning behind it. I enjoy hearing analysis from different perspectives as long as it actually makes sense.
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I have no problem with this whatsoever and i watch a good amount of sc2 tourneys, as with anything if you overdo it you get annoyed at little details, i think you just watch so damn much that you start noticing little shit..
just scale it back a bit and i dont think itll bother you that much.
that being said you are already at a point where it annoys you so not sure if theres any help for you
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On May 05 2015 12:10 Nathanias wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 08:44 shizznit wrote:On May 05 2015 03:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 05 2015 00:56 shizznit wrote: worst casters
incontrol kaelaris artosis nathanias
What? incontrol just unprofessional as hell kaelaris doesn't know the game for sh*t and blows up with excitement over the most unexcitable stuff artosis just awkward as hell, too nerdy, too biased, sense of humor sucks nathanias biased as hell this is just my opinion, OP asked Usually I divert my eyes from this sorta thing but I'm curious, can you link me a part where I was "biased as hell"? I pride myself on giving Terran input but I don't believe I have EVER counted a player out for not being Terran outside of very light jokes (99% of which with Rotti since we play each other on ladder frequently). Honestly if I'm to be accused of bias it's towards players I'm friends with. I'm super biased for Puck, kane, xeno and forgg. This has nothing to do with races and yes I would favor these players more than I would other non-koreans against far superior opponents. I don't think he understands humor, I mean
artosis sense of humor sucks :o
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