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On June 29 2017 09:24 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 06:17 TT1 wrote:I went from having 170 apm in BW (pre SC2) to 300apm post SC2, my BW mechanics got much better Agreed, i improved after playing SC2 also. The similar mechanics but different gameplay helped me out. Im terrible at SC but i can keep my bank under 1k on 4 bases. :D
Yea SC2 is a very multi-task oriented game, understanding how to practice and how to hotkey my stuff efficiently (namely using camera keys) also helped me out a ton.
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On June 29 2017 04:35 -Switch- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 04:28 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 04:17 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 04:09 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 04:02 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:54 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 03:50 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:02 ldv wrote:On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower this is just incredibly untrue. Definitely not untrue. okay then show me all the SC2 master level players who come across with good mechanics. go ahead, i'll wait. Because there is such a huge sample of people swapping from SC2 to Broodwar who haven't played BW before? lol I don't think so. Maybe lets wait for remastered and we can judge this a bit better. I was a Grandmaster in sc2 and have been playing BW for a little over 2 weeks now. I can tell you a lot of the mechanics/skillsets transfer over and make you better at broodwar as well. No offense, but if you've been playing for a little over 2 weeks, you probably don't even have the mechanics of a D+ iccup player. The mechanics are too different, too much more involved in Brood War. I'm not being an elitist (I was an SC2 GM as well) it's just observable. I think most people just don't realize how high the mechanical skill ceiling is in Brood War. It's 50 stories high and even the best foreign brood war players don't get halfway there. Elitist detected. okay, well if you're going to be a child I guess there's no point in the discussion. "you probably don't even have the mechanics of a D+ iccup player." Why just call someone out when you have never seen them play? What rank are you on fish/iccup? Assuming you must be a pretty high level player.
I dont care what your skill level is after 2 weeks of playing u are not going to be c- especially if u never played bw previously
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i don't see why 2 weeks C (iccup not fish) level is impossible for an sc2 grand master, back in 2011 (?) when i picked up sc2 i was arround B-/B level iccup constantly, and i got to masters in about four weeks of playing/studying the game... then i quit the game cause Broodlord infestor imba vs Terran. i don't see why an sc2 grand master can't learn the game in 4 weeks and become decent quickly..
sc2 has the basic strategy down... for example: expand while attacking, they also know that scouting is a key aspect to the game, they can harass while doing something else... they just got to get clean builds and learn how to read difficult situations, i think the main difference for an sc2 expert in bw is that army composition doesnt matter that much compared to sc2, is more about how much stuff you have and how you manage your big army, also selecting single defiler/ht/vessel to use abilities may be a pain in the ass for them.
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I wish I could help but I havn't a lot of free time nowadays (and I sux anyway), in case, you can come on Europe the week-end . Good luck and above all: have fun!
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Jesus. The elitism is so strong within BW these days.
I can definitely confirm that the mechanic gap between SC2 and BW is heavily exaggerated. There are even tcertain situations where the taxing on your mechanics is heavier in SC2 than in BW.
I think a lot of people are confusing the AI restrictions in BW with mechanics. These are incredibly taxing on your precision but not on your multitasking. They also require you to be more repetitive when issuing actions (i.e. you need to press 1a2a3a4a 4 times instead of 1) yes this will naturally make your APM go up but it doesn't mean that your mechanics are inherently better. I'm the perfect example of that, coming from 9 years of having played BW I'd do so many repetitive things in SC2 which made my APM sky-rocket. (Went from like 290-320 in BW to 390-420 in SC2) but I wouldn't say my multitasking was better for it.
For what its worth this is speaking from experience having played both games (SC2 GM/ICCup A-) at a relatively high level. Also you can probably ask anyone (which is already confirmed by TT1, Fayth and XenOsky) who have played both games on a high level that the difference is being exeggareted.
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On June 29 2017 17:30 dignitas.merz wrote: Jesus. The elitism is so strong within BW these days.
I can definitely confirm that the mechanic gap between SC2 and BW is heavily exaggerated. There are even tcertain situations where the taxing on your mechanics is heavier in SC2 than in BW.
I think a lot of people are confusing the AI restrictions in BW with mechanics. These are incredibly taxing on your precision but not on your multitasking. They also require you to be more repetitive when issuing actions (i.e. you need to press 1a2a3a4a 4 times instead of 1) yes this will naturally make your APM go up but it doesn't mean that your mechanics are inherently better. I'm the perfect example of that, coming from 9 years of having played BW I'd do so many repetitive things in SC2 which made my APM sky-rocket. (Went from like 290-320 in BW to 390-420 in SC2) but I wouldn't say my multitasking was better for it.
For what its worth this is speaking from experience having played both games (SC2 GM/ICCup A-) at a relatively high level. Also you can probably ask anyone (which is already confirmed by TT1, Fayth and XenOsky) who have played both games on a high level that the difference is being exeggareted.
It is exaggerated that's true indeed.
And the comment about "D+ in 2 weeks" I guess is just way too broad... There's these kids who are in school and are easily able to play 5+ hours a day. If you focus correctly, were a decent player in SC2 and have that amount of time - I think it's absolutely possible.
If you're in your mid thirties like me, you don't have the time, energy or motivation to play that amount of games Good thing I've played tens of thousands of BW matches already
I'd like it if people would stop bitching about SC2 players and stop the "my game is better than yours" shit... If you're friendly and give them some advice and motivate them, you might convert them. Bashing their previous game (which isn't even a good point, because they're probably way too young to have played BW...) whatever it was, doesn't really make sense and will just alienate new players and decrease chances of a BW comeback (outside of Korea).
So... quit your bitching, be happy we get a remastered version and encourage new players to try the game. ... Please!!!
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shouldn't these requests be posted in the practice partner thread?
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hadn't played broodwar in 10 yrs, came back and got C+ within a few days, there are no koreans on iccup, it's a joke, it's not that hard, mechanics translate pretty well from SC2 to broodwar, anybody saying otherwise is clueless or deluded
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On June 29 2017 03:54 ldv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 03:50 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:02 ldv wrote:On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower this is just incredibly untrue. Definitely not untrue. okay then show me all the SC2 master level players who come across with good mechanics. go ahead, i'll wait.
I'm here
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Just ask anything here, I'm sure you will have responses on any related bw question you have in mind. Welcome to broodwar!
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While we're in this thread, merz teach me terran ?
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Russian Federation104 Posts
Lmao, those ppl will be like - BW is 10x harder to play than sc2. There is defenitely less competition in bw thse days, taking into account like 50x ppl play sc2. Also It's kinda reminiscent of "terran plat > toss high ml" sc2 trash talks xD
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On June 29 2017 20:50 ROOTFayth wrote: hadn't played broodwar in 10 yrs, came back and got C+ within a few days, there are no koreans on iccup, it's a joke, it's not that hard, mechanics translate pretty well from SC2 to broodwar, anybody saying otherwise is clueless or deluded
Weird. I play broodwar for 11years and for me it's pretty hard.
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I don't think getting to C- is very hard for you no, stop trolling
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I am not trolling. I am saying that mechanics in bw are pretty hard for me.
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bw mechanics are objectively difficult. trutacz isn't saying c- is hard, the game is.
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Gratulations for not writing a single post to help the OP.
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Where dat snitch at?36669 Posts
On June 30 2017 04:44 GeckoXp wrote: Gratulations for not writing a single post to help the OP.
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