-also, there's no doubt in my mind that Effort will be the best player in SC2 a couple months from now if he keeps on practicing.
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mtvacuum
United States979 Posts
-also, there's no doubt in my mind that Effort will be the best player in SC2 a couple months from now if he keeps on practicing. | ||
BCH
Philippines88 Posts
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:11 Murderotica wrote: We are not witnessing a growth we are witnessing a surrender to capitalist ideals. We can't blame them for wanting to secure a better fiscal future for themselves, but by that token we shouldn't hate Benedict Arnold for switching to what he thought was the winning side. A logical decision can have moral downfalls. That's how I feel. At the first true speedbump in the smooth running of PL, suddenly everyone jumps ship and swims to the enemy, instead of trying to keep SC1 alive they have dollar signs in their eyes. Fuck, I would do the same thing if I didn't absolutely love the game. Makes it obvious to me that progamers are just laborers, looking for the bigger check, not people who truly love the game. You say that like KeSPA haven't been abusing the eSports movement for years and years now in order to further the companies that constitute it in terms of advertising and even revenue through the PL broadcasting rights issue. The players have been systematically trained to downplay their own efforts and achievements so they don't at any point abuse their celebrity in a way that could upset the systems that KeSPA have created. This is probably the first time in 6 or 7 years that many of these progamers have thought about anything but progressing within the current rigid system, without ever questioning whether the system itself is a good idea in the first place. The Korean eSports scene thrived because of the combination of celebrity and production values, of which sponsors were needed, but ever since the Boxer boom the balance of power has slowly and steadily swung into a system where players are meant to just be grateful to play for such a venerable and great team and give up everything in order to continue. I suspect the majority of progamers still love brood war, but that doesn't mean they should love the perverted system that just happens to be the only choice, especially when they can have better prospects in a game that's very similar and has the added option of being somewhat undiscovered in terms of strategy. Also progamers are people, people with lives and not zealots for the great god brood war intent on dying for their cause, as much as you won't want to admit it, brood war is just a game and these kids probably have other ambitions down the road, like going to college, or having a family, or selling fruit. | ||
Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
Also ironic that the man who began BW might be the one who will end it. =/ | ||
StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:14 raga4ka wrote: No offense , but this are still only rumors . Unless it's official it means nothing . There is also the rumor that Mike Morhaime was "bitchslaped" by the korean government . I'm geting tired of this rumors . I don't want to go over the laundry list of rumors that became reality with respect to BW -> SC2. Nada rumored to leave Wemade and switch over to SC2? Check Boxer rumored to leave SKT and switch over to SC2? Check Iloveoov rumored to be playing SC2 (even though many denied he had time to do it)? Check You get the point. | ||
Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On October 13 2010 01:54 Murderotica wrote: I wish SC2 never came out and Gretech never existed. I agree with konadora. Everyone involved killed something beautiful. If even 2-3 more of these rumors are true, it's fucking terrible and a total disaster. I feel the same | ||
Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:30 StarcraftMan wrote: I don't want to go over the laundry list of rumors that became reality with respect to BW -> SC2. Nada rumored to leave Wemade and switch over to SC2? Check Boxer rumored to leave Wemade and switch over to SC2? Check Iloveoov rumored to be playing SC2 (even though many denied he had time to do it)? Check You get the point. Yes... Boxer on WeMade -- | ||
SkelA
Macedonia13017 Posts
On October 13 2010 01:54 Murderotica wrote: I wish SC2 never came out and Gretech never existed. I agree with konadora. Everyone involved killed something beautiful. If even 2-3 more of these rumors are true, it's fucking terrible and a total disaster. Same here ..... Well I guess this is it .... BW will be dead this time next year (or maybe sooner ). Sad but true I cant see BW suriving with all those big names leaving BW and swarming like flies to a new fresh shit. | ||
Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:29 leakingpear wrote: You say that like KeSPA haven't been abusing the eSports movement for years and years now in order to further the companies that constitute it in terms of advertising and even revenue through the PL broadcasting rights issue. The players have been systematically trained to downplay their own efforts and achievements so they don't at any point abuse their celebrity in a way that could upset the systems that KeSPA have created. This is probably the first time in 6 or 7 years that many of these progamers have thought about anything but progressing within the current rigid system, without ever questioning whether the system itself is a good idea in the first place. The Korean eSports scene thrived because of the combination of celebrity and production values, of which sponsors were needed, but ever since the Boxer boom the balance of power has slowly and steadily swung into a system where players are meant to just be grateful to play for such a venerable and great team and give up everything in order to continue. I suspect the majority of progamers still love brood war, but that doesn't mean they should love the perverted system that just happens to be the only choice, especially when they can have better prospects in a game that's very similar and has the added option of being somewhat undiscovered in terms of strategy. Also progamers are people, people with lives and not zealots for the great god brood war intent on dying for their cause, as much as you won't want to admit it, brood war is just a game and these kids probably have other ambitions down the road, like going to college, or having a family, or selling fruit. So what you're trying to tell me is that these people just blindly decided "IMA BE A PROGAMER" and didn't do any background research on what the system is like, what the (NONPROFIT) organization KeSPA does, and what their futures will be like? You serious? Have you ever applied to a job without knowing what you'll be doing or who will be your boss or what your opportunities will be? IF, on the off-chance that you have, you realize that you were getting fucked over, did you not quit? Why would these gamers wait for SC2 in order to quit if it wasn't just for more money, and not because of a flaw in KeSPA? If KeSPA is so bad, I imagine more pros would quit, and some did. But these players did so only after SC2 came out onto the scene and money was pumped into it. You think there would be anyone but retired vets who probably found no future outside of Esports if there wasn't a 100k payout? I don't. Without KeSPA there would be no scene as we know and love it today. That is all. Sure they have fucked up at times, but what major corporation/company hasn't? I already said that I can't blame progamers for leaving for the money. It just is depressing, because money rules everything, and a superior game will die just because it doesn't have enough money being pumped into it compared to other games. | ||
amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:38 Murderotica wrote: I already said that I can't blame progamers for leaving for the money. It just is depressing, because money rules everything, and a superior game will die just because it doesn't have enough money being pumped into it compared to other games. That's why KeSPA is pissing me off too. Blizzard and Gretech started this whole bullshit, but my one small hope was that competition from SC2 would force KeSPA to inject more money into the scene, improve players' work conditions etc. Instead they'll just jump ship. :/ | ||
Ryo
8787 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:32 Lightwip wrote: To be honest, as long as copyright/loss of support doesn't sink BW, I think it will recover. A lot of the players will eventually realize that they have no future in SC2 will either return to BW or quit if everyone hates them for going to SC2. But if MSL goes or they don't get PL to run, we'll lose the proscene. If they can keep proleague going, I think the BW scene will survive. | ||
Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:42 Ryo wrote: If they can keep proleague going, I think the BW scene will survive. That's a ridiculously huge if. | ||
sely
United States30 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:22 Murderotica wrote: Yea, they don't love the game anymore, is that what you're trying to tell me? Because that's what I said. Sure I don't doubt they loved it at some point. They just don't anymore. Making a contingency plan is different from retiring from your current job and starting a new one. A contingency plan is like... Playing SC2 during your spare time in between practice for BW. They just all jumped ship. IMO teams will always be looking to recruit former BW pros in SC2. That will never change, so they are set. The problem is that SC2 = money only for results, not for being part of a team. That's why so many people are trying to get that quick cash now. Pretty much they are placing their bets on winning/placing high in the tourney knowing that they won't get a salary if they switch to SC2. I.e. a more primitive proscene is attracting gamers just like going all-in does in poker. And the reason they don't love the game anymore isn't because of capitalism or SC2 but because they have been treated as slaves in their current situation. Your argument about having to win to make any money is totally false as well, as plenty of players (in Korean and elsewhere) are already getting paid by sponsors to play and this will only increase with time. Pro teams will develop, players will get paid salaries, and sign contracts just like in BW. So many people have a such a warped view of this situation because of their love for BW. If you expected BW leagues to continue and thrive forever you were severely out of touch with reality and this is probably a good thing for you. Stop acting like you are personally being persecuted because of corporate greed. I mean, you probably are, but not because of SC. | ||
Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
fuck. | ||
Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:41 snowdrift wrote: That's why KeSPA is pissing me off too. Blizzard and Gretech started this whole bullshit, but my one small hope was that competition from SC2 would force KeSPA to inject more money into the scene, improve players' work conditions etc. Instead they'll just jump ship. :/ AFAIK they don't have money, they have to get it from other people, and why would anyone invest in something if all the money is going elsewhere? Investors will be like "omg old game" and not invest a cent. KeSPA is a non-profit organization so to me this means that they only cover their own expenses and the money they generate is already re-invested in broadcasting, organizing, and moderating the scene. I'm sure that if KeSPA had 100k laying around they would make tournaments similar to GSL or at least revitalize the scene. | ||
LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
On October 13 2010 01:49 konadora wrote: fuck you activision fuck you blizzard fuck you gretech fuck you kespa i feel so disgusted right now this | ||
Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
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