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On June 15 2017 20:56 Bonyth wrote:
That's why I called it a SUGGESTION. I'm not forcing and it's not possible to force anyone's hand. I am happy they to stuff like this but what u don't understand is that there WILL BE people with hatred towards Scan infinite money apetite. Some people don't approve of his approach, that's why there is so much hatred towards him and organizers for allowing for such a thing to happen. Yes, these are organizers money, and he can do whatever he want with them. BUT if he does anything he wants, not caring about these people opinion, he needs to be prepared to hear some mean words at his adress. The ideas we proposed are meant to protect weaker psychically organizers from the internet's hatred. If they are good on their own, so be it. If they have another plan for their tournaments, and from the looks of it Schamtoo may have one, so be it. Border line - our ideas are just a suggestion, not a set of rules that every organizer has to obey.
I don't host a tournament because I have no money for it. As for no-prizepool tournaments, we have Iccup tournaments and occasionaly few others.
But how is it anyone else's problem that they are gonna hate when they are not happy with the rules or with whoever is winning? If a player is hating because of Scan winning the tournaments, then it's his own problem, he must deal with his own hatred himself. Learn to let go, practice meditation, practice humility. It is not for the whole community and organisers to make changes to accomodate a handful of upset players who can't keep control over their emotions and have to take it out on other people (organisers).
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On June 15 2017 20:56 Bonyth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 20:14 DanteStyle55 wrote:On June 15 2017 05:39 Bonyth wrote: I think if every 2nd tournament was open to all players, there would be no complaints nor hatred. I should specify that Im talking about tours that happen every given period of time. I'm not recommanding anything yet if a one big tour took place.
That is my solution / sugestion. Let's hear others. Why don't you or anyone else hold a tournament of ur own for non koreans. You don't even need to have a prizepool IMO. As all of you said no foreigner is playing bw 24/7 to make money from it. This thread wouldnt even exist if there were 5-6 tournaments and half of them allowed koreans, just make some more tournaments without koreans to see who is the best foreigner or which foreigner can dominate the longest. IMO forcing stuff upon the few people willing to put effort into BW in 2017 is just so BM. You should be happy they do this stuff, if i were them i'd quit and you'd have nothing. I dont know about you guys but i was raised with the mentality of: if someone is offering something for free, you dont complain. this thread should be locked imo :/ That's why I called it a SUGGESTION. I'm not forcing and it's not possible to force anyone's hand. I am happy they to stuff like this but what u don't understand is that there WILL BE people with hatred towards Scan infinite money apetite. Some people don't approve of his approach, that's why there is so much hatred towards him and organizers for allowing for such a thing to happen. Yes, these are organizers money, and he can do whatever he want with them. BUT if he does anything he wants, not caring about these people opinion, he needs to be prepared to hear some mean words at his adress. The ideas we proposed are meant to protect weaker psychically organizers from the internet's hatred. If they are good on their own, so be it. If they have another plan for their tournaments, and from the looks of it Schamtoo may have one, so be it. Border line - our ideas are just a suggestion, not a set of rules that every organizer has to obey. I don't host a tournament because I have no money for it. As for no-prizepool tournaments, we have Iccup tournaments and occasionaly few others. So much hatred...
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On June 15 2017 22:13 EndingLife wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 20:56 Bonyth wrote:On June 15 2017 20:14 DanteStyle55 wrote:On June 15 2017 05:39 Bonyth wrote: I think if every 2nd tournament was open to all players, there would be no complaints nor hatred. I should specify that Im talking about tours that happen every given period of time. I'm not recommanding anything yet if a one big tour took place.
That is my solution / sugestion. Let's hear others. Why don't you or anyone else hold a tournament of ur own for non koreans. You don't even need to have a prizepool IMO. As all of you said no foreigner is playing bw 24/7 to make money from it. This thread wouldnt even exist if there were 5-6 tournaments and half of them allowed koreans, just make some more tournaments without koreans to see who is the best foreigner or which foreigner can dominate the longest. IMO forcing stuff upon the few people willing to put effort into BW in 2017 is just so BM. You should be happy they do this stuff, if i were them i'd quit and you'd have nothing. I dont know about you guys but i was raised with the mentality of: if someone is offering something for free, you dont complain. this thread should be locked imo :/ That's why I called it a SUGGESTION. I'm not forcing and it's not possible to force anyone's hand. I am happy they to stuff like this but what u don't understand is that there WILL BE people with hatred towards Scan infinite money apetite. Some people don't approve of his approach, that's why there is so much hatred towards him and organizers for allowing for such a thing to happen. Yes, these are organizers money, and he can do whatever he want with them. BUT if he does anything he wants, not caring about these people opinion, he needs to be prepared to hear some mean words at his adress. The ideas we proposed are meant to protect weaker psychically organizers from the internet's hatred. If they are good on their own, so be it. If they have another plan for their tournaments, and from the looks of it Schamtoo may have one, so be it. Border line - our ideas are just a suggestion, not a set of rules that every organizer has to obey. I don't host a tournament because I have no money for it. As for no-prizepool tournaments, we have Iccup tournaments and occasionaly few others. So much hatred towards someone for being good and for someone hosting a tournament their way.
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Yo LML that was a long time ago when you were talking about Scan. Maybe he deserves a clean slate. I don't think it is the best argument.
But I'd be interested to find out if they're are any top foreigners that would argue that they think Koreans should be allowed to participate in tours. So far it has almost been exclusively every top player thinks that Koreans and Korean-Americans/hyphenated Koreans should be banned from tours. It's unanimous among top players.
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On June 15 2017 22:14 Alpha-NP- wrote: Yo LML that was a long time ago when you were talking about Scan. Maybe he deserves a clean slate. I don't think it is the best argument.
But I'd be interested to find out if they're are any top foreigners that would argue that they think Koreans should be allowed to participate in tours. So far it has almost been exclusively every top player thinks that Koreans and Korean-Americans/hyphenated Koreans should be banned from tours. It's unanimous among top players. I've only seen Bonyth, Eonzerg, Trutacz and Kenzy voice their opinion as to why Scan shouldn't be allowed. That's 4 players who have obviously discussed the topic together. I'd like to see the opinions of people like Dandy, Dinot, Dewalt, Terror, Lancer, Bakuryu, etc.
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I've not read the entire discussion, and I don't really care because I'm more from the SC2 perspective, where we don't get to choose anything in this regard cause BliBli decides for us... anyway, what brought me was this line from the first post :
On June 13 2017 20:30 KenZy wrote:
I think when the community will be bigger it's gonna be fine to have ALL our tournaments open to koreans.
SC2 scene is reducing a lot in numbers, yet I think the game is more appealing to newbies than SC-BW for many reason that are not the topic here cause it's only my opinion. My point is : Do you really think the community will get bigger ? Is there any trend toward this ? Is SC-BW-Remastered the cause of you thinking that ?
This is an honest question, no opinion on the matter. The only opnion is regarding SC2 and while I would hope the community gets bigger... well, you know. It's would be good already if it stays as is.
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On June 15 2017 21:48 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 21:40 LML wrote: Pretty sure they received temporary bans due to first offense, as opposed to Scan who received a permanent ban due to repeated offense (while being blacklisted). TSL 2 Bannings "for 12 months and TSL 3"
And later on he drove to another guy's house and played for him during what was ISL2 iirc. Trying to avoid IP detection for smurfing while being banned from the league.
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On June 15 2017 22:28 LDaVinci wrote:I've not read the entire discussion, and I don't really care because I'm more from the SC2 perspective, where we don't get to choose anything in this regard cause BliBli decides for us... anyway, what brought me was this line from the first post : Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 20:30 KenZy wrote:
I think when the community will be bigger it's gonna be fine to have ALL our tournaments open to koreans.
SC2 scene is reducing a lot in numbers, yet I think the game is more appealing to newbies than SC-BW for many reason that are not the topic here cause it's only my opinion. My point is : Do you really think the community will get bigger ? Is there any trend toward this ? Is SC-BW-Remastered the cause of you thinking that ? This is an honest question, no opinion on the matter. The only opnion is regarding SC2 and while I would hope the community gets bigger... well, you know. It's would be good already if it stays as is.
Yes i think SC-BW-Remastered gonna bring a lot of new blood and old school player. I don't know if it's gonna be bigger than Sc2 (right now) but it's definitly gonna be bigger than what bw is atm.
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I can understand the frustration some of the players have, i can also understand Scan.
But hey lets make it easy for us? How welcoming are Koreans towards foreigners participating in their communities compared to us foreigners welcoming koreans?
We all know the answer to this. I luv scan tho kid is legit but yeh?
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I see this thread taking two different directions. I think there should be a separate thread for the conversation about cheating because it is in fact a separate issue. I don't think it's a relevant argument for this thread.
To bring it back to topic, here's a thought experiment (I'll use a pseudonym because I want to create emotional distance from the real situation): A) Valerie has vastly greater access to training resources. This gives her a great advantage over everyone else. Out of a hundred people, she is the only one with such access. Many of these hundred people decide not to re-enter the competition. B) A hundred people have vastly greater access to training resources. This gives them a great advantage over Valerie. Valerie is the only one who doesn't have such access. Valerie decides not to re-enter the competition.
Would you say that A is wrong and something should be done about it? Would you say that B is wrong and something should be done about it? Whether you give differen answers or the same answer, can you rationally explain the exact reasons for why you're (not) making a difference?
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On June 15 2017 22:14 EndingLife wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 22:13 EndingLife wrote:On June 15 2017 20:56 Bonyth wrote:On June 15 2017 20:14 DanteStyle55 wrote:On June 15 2017 05:39 Bonyth wrote: I think if every 2nd tournament was open to all players, there would be no complaints nor hatred. I should specify that Im talking about tours that happen every given period of time. I'm not recommanding anything yet if a one big tour took place.
That is my solution / sugestion. Let's hear others. Why don't you or anyone else hold a tournament of ur own for non koreans. You don't even need to have a prizepool IMO. As all of you said no foreigner is playing bw 24/7 to make money from it. This thread wouldnt even exist if there were 5-6 tournaments and half of them allowed koreans, just make some more tournaments without koreans to see who is the best foreigner or which foreigner can dominate the longest. IMO forcing stuff upon the few people willing to put effort into BW in 2017 is just so BM. You should be happy they do this stuff, if i were them i'd quit and you'd have nothing. I dont know about you guys but i was raised with the mentality of: if someone is offering something for free, you dont complain. this thread should be locked imo :/ That's why I called it a SUGGESTION. I'm not forcing and it's not possible to force anyone's hand. I am happy they to stuff like this but what u don't understand is that there WILL BE people with hatred towards Scan infinite money apetite. Some people don't approve of his approach, that's why there is so much hatred towards him and organizers for allowing for such a thing to happen. Yes, these are organizers money, and he can do whatever he want with them. BUT if he does anything he wants, not caring about these people opinion, he needs to be prepared to hear some mean words at his adress. The ideas we proposed are meant to protect weaker psychically organizers from the internet's hatred. If they are good on their own, so be it. If they have another plan for their tournaments, and from the looks of it Schamtoo may have one, so be it. Border line - our ideas are just a suggestion, not a set of rules that every organizer has to obey. I don't host a tournament because I have no money for it. As for no-prizepool tournaments, we have Iccup tournaments and occasionaly few others. So much hatred towards someone for being good and for someone hosting a tournament their way. is the last time i gonna adress to you,im doing this cuz i know you,i played you and you are also very often on my stream. I think everyone of us understood pretty clear the purpose of the tournaments.now exactly 2 weeks ago the organizer told us that there will be only 3 tournaments left and the last will be casted by day9 with a bigger prize.i want you to grab this 2 WEEKS AGO.is clear right ? ok lets move on,i stream very often lately more than ever.and every single day i stream i have people telling me about why scan is playing blablabla,im not lying every single day.and in other places like defiler.ru the same situation.and idk if this is happening for the rest so i cant tell.I cant control people minds and tell them stop complaining,in the begin i tried something like this.Scan is not winning for free he is doing efforts,he is awake at 4 am to play the tournaments.etc.but there is a limit there is gonna be a day were u will fall.it did happen some days ago after i did see only 8 players signed for the tourney most of them were the complainers.(i know alot of top players that are not coming to play for that reason,i know some of them are giving wo when they have to face Scan)now since we already know the situation and are being vocal to find a better solution to really boost the players and the community(i dont really know how big or small is the BW community),i dont count the trolls and the shitposters that are giving opinions without playing the game,without coming to play a single tourney,without comment ever in any of the tourney threads,i dont believe they watch the finals.I know you do,i know how you bash us when we loss like noobs vs scan,i also know you have a very particular mindset that u did reach very easy some ranks on fish and you believe u are already better than some other players,even if you are not playing the game or anything. I dont really like the way u act,but i dont judge ,everyone is like they want to be,thats not my problem.I dont think anyone hates Scan,i mean if you are hating someone cuz he is winning in a game u really need visit the doctor.i can understand someone is mad after lossing,i will be even mad at my dog if he wins me playing volleyball so yeah.atleast MYSELF im telling things just cuz i knew there were only 3 tourneys left 2 weeks AGO.(i dont mean to ban scan for the last 3 tourneys,in case you are confused by this,is just that sadly things didnt work out so who knows for people to come maybe this serves a purpose,sadly this whole thing goes out of control and we loss some important events ) i also dont want to believe people take their time to send DM to the organizers telling they sux cuz they are allowing Scan to play tourneys,but u never know,i have koreans on fish that harass me aswell when i won some afreeca streamer spamming or adding me to the friend list and removing and even going to my stream to BM.
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On June 15 2017 23:26 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 22:14 EndingLife wrote:On June 15 2017 22:13 EndingLife wrote:On June 15 2017 20:56 Bonyth wrote:On June 15 2017 20:14 DanteStyle55 wrote:On June 15 2017 05:39 Bonyth wrote: I think if every 2nd tournament was open to all players, there would be no complaints nor hatred. I should specify that Im talking about tours that happen every given period of time. I'm not recommanding anything yet if a one big tour took place.
That is my solution / sugestion. Let's hear others. Why don't you or anyone else hold a tournament of ur own for non koreans. You don't even need to have a prizepool IMO. As all of you said no foreigner is playing bw 24/7 to make money from it. This thread wouldnt even exist if there were 5-6 tournaments and half of them allowed koreans, just make some more tournaments without koreans to see who is the best foreigner or which foreigner can dominate the longest. IMO forcing stuff upon the few people willing to put effort into BW in 2017 is just so BM. You should be happy they do this stuff, if i were them i'd quit and you'd have nothing. I dont know about you guys but i was raised with the mentality of: if someone is offering something for free, you dont complain. this thread should be locked imo :/ That's why I called it a SUGGESTION. I'm not forcing and it's not possible to force anyone's hand. I am happy they to stuff like this but what u don't understand is that there WILL BE people with hatred towards Scan infinite money apetite. Some people don't approve of his approach, that's why there is so much hatred towards him and organizers for allowing for such a thing to happen. Yes, these are organizers money, and he can do whatever he want with them. BUT if he does anything he wants, not caring about these people opinion, he needs to be prepared to hear some mean words at his adress. The ideas we proposed are meant to protect weaker psychically organizers from the internet's hatred. If they are good on their own, so be it. If they have another plan for their tournaments, and from the looks of it Schamtoo may have one, so be it. Border line - our ideas are just a suggestion, not a set of rules that every organizer has to obey. I don't host a tournament because I have no money for it. As for no-prizepool tournaments, we have Iccup tournaments and occasionaly few others. So much hatred towards someone for being good and for someone hosting a tournament their way. is the last time i gonna adress to you,im doing this cuz i know you,i played you and you are also very often on my stream. I think everyone of us understood pretty clear the purpose of the tournaments.now exactly 2 weeks ago the organizer told us that there will be only 3 tournaments left and the last will be casted by day9 with a bigger prize.i want you to grab this 2 WEEKS AGO.is clear right ? ok lets move on,i stream very often lately more than ever.and every single day i stream i have people telling me about why scan is playing blablabla,im not lying every single day.and in other places like defiler.ru the same situation.and idk if this is happening for the rest so i cant tell.I cant control people minds and tell them stop complaining,in the begin i tried something like this.Scan is not winning for free he is doing efforts,he is awake at 4 am to play the tournaments.etc.but there is a limit there is gonna be a day were u will fall.it did happen some days ago after i did see only 8 players signed for the tourney most of them were the complainers.(i know alot of top players that are not coming to play for that reason,i know some of them are giving wo when they have to face Scan)now since we already know the situation and are being vocal to find a better solution to really boost the players and the community(i dont really know how big or small is the BW community),i dont count the trolls and the shitposters that are giving opinions without playing the game,without coming to play a single tourney,without comment ever in any of the tourney threads,i dont believe they watch the finals.I know you do,i know how you bash us when we loss like noobs vs scan,i also know you have a very particular mindset that u did reach very easy some ranks on fish and you believe u are already better than some other players,even if you are not playing the game or anything. I dont really like the way u act,but i dont judge ,everyone is like they want to be,thats not my problem.I dont think anyone hates Scan,i mean if you are hating someone cuz he is winning in a game u really need visit the doctor.i cant understand someone is mad after lossing,i will be even mad at my dog if he wins me playing volleyball so yeah.atleast MYSELF im telling things just cuz i knew there were only 3 tourneys left 2 weeks AGO.(i dont mean to ban scan for the last 3 tourneys,in case you are confused by this,is just that sadly things didnt work out so who knows for people to come maybe this serves a purpose,sadly this whole thing goes out of control and we loss some important events ) i also dont want to believe people take their time to send DM to the organizers telling they sux cuz they are allowing Scan to play tourneys,but u never know,i have koreans on fish that harass me aswell when i won some afreeca streamer spamming or adding me to the friend list and removing and even going to my stream to BM.
You're making a good point, but next time dont make a wall of text
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Imo foreigner only tournies never went off in sc2, i cannot imagine BW would change that. Its just hard to enjoy competition when you know, the most likely winners werent allowed to play.
I am an anti korean racist, but i believe that there are many others like me, especially on TL.
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On June 15 2017 22:18 EndingLife wrote:
I've only seen Bonyth, Eonzerg, Trutacz and Kenzy voice their opinion as to why Scan shouldn't be allowed. That's 4 players who have obviously discussed the topic together. I'd like to see the opinions of people like Dandy, Dinot, Dewalt, Terror, Lancer, Bakuryu, etc. Ehhh, they could probably care less about Scan playing, the small prize pool and just play for fun.
I don't think that any of us wrote here that Scan shouldn't be alllowed. All of what we wrote was about foreigner scene or maybe some differences between both scenes. But yeah, keep saying that we did...
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On June 15 2017 23:43 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Imo foreigner only tournies never went off in sc2, i cannot imagine BW would change that. Its just hard to enjoy competition when you know, the most likely winners werent allowed to play.
I am an anti korean racist, but i believe that there are many others like me, especially on TL.
"imo" yes. But sc2 was mostly dominated by koreans in the foreign scene it was rarely that foreigners even won and that might kill the fun in the game for the foreign scene just saying.
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On June 15 2017 22:39 LML wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 21:48 Cele wrote:On June 15 2017 21:40 LML wrote: Pretty sure they received temporary bans due to first offense, as opposed to Scan who received a permanent ban due to repeated offense (while being blacklisted). TSL 2 Bannings "for 12 months and TSL 3" And later on he drove to another guy's house and played for him during what was ISL2 iirc. Trying to avoid IP detection for smurfing while being banned from the league.
Everything started with JoeKim's idea. And i was young and being his puppet for the drama. Sadface :'(
Joekim was smurfing on ruarc by lrmgames permission and he knew he couldnt play ladders much and get qualified. I played for him. At the same time, he told me to go someone's house for the diff ip and play protoss only.
Anyways, idc. I was like 16 or 17 at that time. Im a grown up man now.
Ps: lrmgame banned me for next isl without any reason, but joekim helped him to get an evidence to ban scan. Ofc good drama. I just remembered joekim was threatening me with words that he will beat me up by driving from la to san jose lol.
Btw, lml, is there a reason you are pulling out about this? Anyone can read it from liquipedia anyways.
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On June 15 2017 23:26 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 22:14 EndingLife wrote:On June 15 2017 22:13 EndingLife wrote:On June 15 2017 20:56 Bonyth wrote:On June 15 2017 20:14 DanteStyle55 wrote:On June 15 2017 05:39 Bonyth wrote: I think if every 2nd tournament was open to all players, there would be no complaints nor hatred. I should specify that Im talking about tours that happen every given period of time. I'm not recommanding anything yet if a one big tour took place.
That is my solution / sugestion. Let's hear others. Why don't you or anyone else hold a tournament of ur own for non koreans. You don't even need to have a prizepool IMO. As all of you said no foreigner is playing bw 24/7 to make money from it. This thread wouldnt even exist if there were 5-6 tournaments and half of them allowed koreans, just make some more tournaments without koreans to see who is the best foreigner or which foreigner can dominate the longest. IMO forcing stuff upon the few people willing to put effort into BW in 2017 is just so BM. You should be happy they do this stuff, if i were them i'd quit and you'd have nothing. I dont know about you guys but i was raised with the mentality of: if someone is offering something for free, you dont complain. this thread should be locked imo :/ That's why I called it a SUGGESTION. I'm not forcing and it's not possible to force anyone's hand. I am happy they to stuff like this but what u don't understand is that there WILL BE people with hatred towards Scan infinite money apetite. Some people don't approve of his approach, that's why there is so much hatred towards him and organizers for allowing for such a thing to happen. Yes, these are organizers money, and he can do whatever he want with them. BUT if he does anything he wants, not caring about these people opinion, he needs to be prepared to hear some mean words at his adress. The ideas we proposed are meant to protect weaker psychically organizers from the internet's hatred. If they are good on their own, so be it. If they have another plan for their tournaments, and from the looks of it Schamtoo may have one, so be it. Border line - our ideas are just a suggestion, not a set of rules that every organizer has to obey. I don't host a tournament because I have no money for it. As for no-prizepool tournaments, we have Iccup tournaments and occasionaly few others. So much hatred towards someone for being good and for someone hosting a tournament their way. is the last time i gonna adress to you,im doing this cuz i know you,i played you and you are also very often on my stream. I think everyone of us understood pretty clear the purpose of the tournaments.now exactly 2 weeks ago the organizer told us that there will be only 3 tournaments left and the last will be casted by day9 with a bigger prize.i want you to grab this 2 WEEKS AGO.is clear right ? ok lets move on,i stream very often lately more than ever.and every single day i stream i have people telling me about why scan is playing blablabla,im not lying every single day.and in other places like defiler.ru the same situation.and idk if this is happening for the rest so i cant tell.I cant control people minds and tell them stop complaining,in the begin i tried something like this.Scan is not winning for free he is doing efforts,he is awake at 4 am to play the tournaments.etc.but there is a limit there is gonna be a day were u will fall.it did happen some days ago after i did see only 8 players signed for the tourney most of them were the complainers.(i know alot of top players that are not coming to play for that reason,i know some of them are giving wo when they have to face Scan)now since we already know the situation and are being vocal to find a better solution to really boost the players and the community(i dont really know how big or small is the BW community),i dont count the trolls and the shitposters that are giving opinions without playing the game,without coming to play a single tourney,without comment ever in any of the tourney threads,i dont believe they watch the finals.I know you do,i know how you bash us when we loss like noobs vs scan,i also know you have a very particular mindset that u did reach very easy some ranks on fish and you believe u are already better than some other players,even if you are not playing the game or anything. I dont really like the way u act,but i dont judge ,everyone is like they want to be,thats not my problem.I dont think anyone hates Scan,i mean if you are hating someone cuz he is winning in a game u really need visit the doctor.i cant understand someone is mad after lossing,i will be even mad at my dog if he wins me playing volleyball so yeah.atleast MYSELF im telling things just cuz i knew there were only 3 tourneys left 2 weeks AGO.(i dont mean to ban scan for the last 3 tourneys,in case you are confused by this,is just that sadly things didnt work out so who knows for people to come maybe this serves a purpose,sadly this whole thing goes out of control and we loss some important events ) i also dont want to believe people take their time to send DM to the organizers telling they sux cuz they are allowing Scan to play tourneys,but u never know,i have koreans on fish that harass me aswell when i won some afreeca streamer spamming or adding me to the friend list and removing and even going to my stream to BM. First of all, I have always respected you as a player for your skills and your dedication to the game. The same applies to Trutacz and Bonyth. You guys are all great players and have a different set of skills that set you apart as players. What I didn't respect was the approach that you guys took towards the organizers of the tournament. There's nothing wrong with having an opinion and feeling strong about it, and I understand that a group of top foreigners who hold the same mindset about tournaments are sticking together. That's awesome, and I respect your passion. I have always supported you and your stream, and will continue to despite the difference in opinion that we have about tournaments. I would never call you a newbie for losing to Scan, I was cheering for you the last time you two played Let's be honest, I was never one to try to be the best. I was relatively unknown even when I DID play. I flew under the radar, I always played for fun (As my style showed) I smurfed most of the time on fish and iccup. I never played tournaments as I had other hobbies that I was passionate about on the weekends when most tournaments were being held. I don't consider myself to be better than anyone at my current state. You guys are great players and your Fish ranks alone prove that. Everyone here who cares about the game and still loves to either watch or play it is here for the same reason. To find a solution to the issues that all of you guys brought up. Yes I might have made some troll responses to you guys, And I apologize for that, but that was only to get your attention and to consider the mindset of the opposition. If I have ever offended yourself, or any other streamer that I watch regularly, I apologize.
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In this thread we want to find a solution, so that when a 2nd Filthy appears and hosts a series of tournaments, the history doesn't repeat itself.
These who want to keep all tournaments open, I want you to ask one thing. Was the outcome of this situation good in your opinion? Was cancelling the event a natural thing to occur? 1) Yes 2) No, say what could be done about it
Just dont answer with something like 'so don't bash organizers', because it's not possible to control other people. Therefore, it's not a solution.
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