2012 NCAA College Football Season - Page 16
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ampson
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
The guy makes a big deal about how the SEC's head-to-head records against the other BCS conferences isn't that great, but he's going all the way back to 1998, when the BCS was first created. If you look at just 2006-2011 (you know, the years that the SEC has actually been "dominant"), here's how they match up against every BCS conference: SEC v Big 12: 15-7 SEC v ACC: 34-20 SEC v Pac-12: 8-5 SEC v Big Ten: 12-9 SEC v Big East: 11-10 + Show Spoiler [source] + http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/multi-conference.pl?start=2006&end=2011&team=Alabama&team=Arkansas&team=Auburn&team=Florida&team=Georgia&team=Kentucky&team=LouisianaState&team=Mississippi&team=MississippiState&team=SouthCarolina&team=Tennessee&team=Vanderbilt Start the season with two of the top four teams being from the SEC, as was the case in 2010 with Alabama and Florida, and in 2011 with Alabama and LSU, and the conference is virtually guaranteed to be represented in the title game -- and this is an important point -- even if neither of those two schools end up winning the conference. He conveniently forgets that Nebraska and Oklahoma got to play in the NCG without winning their conference in 2001 and 2003, respectively. Here's how the self-fulfilling BCS prophecy breaks down in the SEC's favor over the course of a season. The preseason top twenty-five is stocked with the usual high-profile teams from across the country -- teams, not coincidentally, already scheduled for heavy broadcast exposure. Thanks to its gaudy TV contracts, many of these ranked teams come from the SEC. Once the season is underway, if a highly ranked SEC team beats another highly ranked SEC team, the winner rises higher in the polls than it might normally, based on the fact that it's just beaten a "top-tier" team from the country's "elite" conference. By the same coin, the losing SEC team in this scenario doesn't drop as far as it might otherwise, since, after all, it has lost to a presumably powerful "top-tier" team from the country's "elite" conference. Hey look at the beginning of this season. #2 Alabama beats #8 Michigan (ie, a high profile team ranked high in the preseason polls for TV exposure, now unranked), and climbs to #1 in the next week's polls! It's almost like this phenomenon doesn't happen in every conference! For God's sake, it's tougher to go undefeated in the Colonial Athletic Association than it is in the SEC. If the same things happen in other conferences, however, the collective football media reverse the logic, claiming that if, say, a Mountain West Conference league leader loses to a lower-ranked Mountain West team, this merely proves how bad that losing team is, not how good the Mountain West is. In the same way, if a league leader goes undefeated in the Mountain West, the feat is said to merely demonstrate how weak the conference is, not accepted as proof of the strength of the unbeaten team. Though its teams are rarely given the opportunity, the Mountain West, not the SEC, has the highest winning percentage of any conference in BCS bowl games (.750), even though its teams travel further to play in BCS games than just about any others and with fewer supporting fans. Did he just compare the Mountain West and an FCS conference to the SEC? Btw neither of those Mountain West teams that won in the BCS (Utah, TCU) are even in the Mountain West anymore. The double standard also allows non-conference victories rolled up by "champions" such as the 2009 Alabama Crimson Tide against the likes of Florida International, North Texas, and Tennessee-Chattanooga to be regarded as evidence of gridiron distinction by those inside the solipsistic cocoon of the self-congratulatory SEC echo chamber. Again, conveniently forgetting that 'Bama also beat then-#7 Virginia Tech, who went on to be 10-3 that season. You know who 'Bama's NCG opponent Texas played out of conference that year? Louisiana-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP, and Central Florida. The chicanery is only getting worse. The most bald-faced example of poll rigging occurred in 2011 when the Pac-12's then number-three-ranked Oregon Ducks lost a September game in Dallas to then number-four-ranked LSU by a score of 40-27. Following the defeat, the Ducks dropped 10 spaces in the polls, to number 13. With the demotion, Oregon's championship hopes were essentially obliterated from the first week of the season. Fine. This is the way it goes in a college football's "every game counts" season. When the SEC's then #2 Alabama Crimson Tide lost at home to #1 LSU in November, however, it dropped only one space in the polls, to number three. So why did Nebraska and Oklahoma get to play in the NCG each with 1 loss, and not winning their conference? Why did Oklahoma get into the 2004 NCG over unbeaten Auburn if there's a conspiracy to win the national championship for the SEC every year at ESPN? Edit: And you know what? Oregon WAS in NCG contention last year. They would have had a great shot to get the berth over LSU if they hadn't lost to USC late in the season. Not to mention there would be no way in hell LSU would have gotten in over an undefeated Oklahoma State. If they actually manned up and beat Iowa State there's no question they would have gotten in over LSU, just because of the shitstorm that would ensue over a 1-loss SEC team getting in over an unbeaten BCS school. My argument is simply that if you look at results on the field -- not guesswork from writers, network suits, and BCS computers -- teams from the major conferences, and some schools from smaller conferences, are actually a lot more evenly matched than most fans believe. And if you look at the results on the field from the last 7-8 years, you'll clearly see that the SEC has a winning record against every BCS conference, and since the inception of the BCS in 1998, has a 16-7 record in the BCS, the best winning percentage by far while having the second most appearances, trailing only the Big Ten. Yeah, great read. | ||
Damiani
United States514 Posts
Things started getting ridiculously stupid since 2008 the more you think about it. | ||
Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
You don't have to like the SEC, but the on-field results clearly show that the SEC has been better than the others head-to-head, and until that changes it's just ignorant to claim that that SEC teams are only favored because of a media conspiracy. | ||
Slaughter
United States20249 Posts
So yes the SEC produces at least 1 great team every year the past decade and many years 2. But because of that the rest of the conference gets sucked off when they really are much closer to everyone else. Like this year the Pac looks better then the SEC as a whole but you can't argue that Bama is awesome but LSU/UF/UGA/USC? Who knows all they have done is circle jerk beat each other due to their initial inflated ratings and weak OOC. | ||
Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + RK TEAM RECORD 1 Alabama 7-0 2 Florida 7-0 3 Kansas State 7-0 4 Oregon 7-0 5 Notre Dame 7-0 6 LSU 7-1 7 Oregon State 6-0 8 Oklahoma 5-1 9 USC 6-1 10 Georgia 6-1 11 Mississippi State 7-0 12 Florida State 7-1 13 South Carolina 6-2 14 Texas Tech 6-1 15 Rutgers 7-0 16 Louisville 7-0 17 Stanford 5-2 18 Clemson 6-1 19 West Virginia 5-2 20 Texas A&M 5-2 21 Boise State 6-1 22 Michigan 5-2 23 Texas 5-2 24 Ohio 7-0 25 Wisconsin 6-2 Kansas State climbs to #3 and Oregon falls to #4. | ||
DeepElemBlues
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
Also, Notre Dame is about to get their asses handed to them vs OU in Norman this weekend. | ||
Damiani
United States514 Posts
On October 22 2012 09:47 Slaughter wrote: The only thing about the SEC is that they produce 1-2 top 5 teams in the country every year and by extension every other team in the conference gets an auto upgrade in how good they are even if they get raped just as bad as everyone else when they play those top 2. So yes the SEC produces at least 1 great team every year the past decade and many years 2. But because of that the rest of the conference gets sucked off when they really are much closer to everyone else. Like this year the Pac looks better then the SEC as a whole but you can't argue that Bama is awesome but LSU/UF/UGA/USC? Who knows all they have done is circle jerk beat each other due to their initial inflated ratings and weak OOC. This exactly. Does the SEC produce the two best teams in the country? More likely yes. You'll have a good argument there. But is the SEC the best conference as a whole? Highly doubt it. Top to bottom i'd put the big 12 or Pac-12 way ahead of the SEC. If you play SEC ( BAMA) best vs any other conference best Bama would more than likely win. But if Bama wins does that automatically proves that since Bama is in the SEC then SEC is also best? No. | ||
Damiani
United States514 Posts
On October 22 2012 10:11 holy_war wrote: I still think anyone from #9 USC and up still has a chance to make it into the national title. Also, Notre Dame is about to get their asses handed to them vs OU in Norman this weekend. You are truly underestimating Notre dame's Defense. They have the nation's #2 defense next to Bama. And if you think it's a fluke check out their schedule. Edit : I can't wait for the ND vs OU game tho. Would definately tell us something. | ||
LosingID8
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Slaughter
United States20249 Posts
On October 22 2012 10:16 Damiani wrote: You are truly underestimating Notre dame's Defense. They have the nation's #2 defense next to Bama. And if you think it's a fluke check out their schedule. Stanford is prolly the best offense they have played. MSU's is sooo bad this year and UM's gets shut down rather easily vs quality defense which ND's is. I don't think they have proved to be as good as #2 as of yet. | ||
holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On October 22 2012 10:16 Damiani wrote: You are truly underestimating Notre dame's Defense. They have the nation's #2 defense next to Bama. And if you think it's a fluke check out their schedule. Is there a reason oddsmakers have OU as a 10 point favorite against ND? They have an amazing defense, but their offense can't do shit. | ||
don_kyuhote
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Notre Dame had not had a serious road test yet (don't say MSU was a test) and everyone knows Norman is one of the hardest place to play. OU struggled early in the season, but has gotten back to its old self of putting up high numbers against bad defense. The only time they played a top team (KSU) they lost. I'd say OU wins at home. | ||
Damiani
United States514 Posts
On October 22 2012 10:27 holy_war wrote: Is there a reason oddsmakers have OU as a 10 point favorite against ND? They have an amazing defense, but their offense can't do shit. Wow are they really? Well i guess i know where im putting my money on Sat. I think that's a blown line. I can see ND as dog by 3 but 10? No way. | ||
LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
we are finally into the meat of our schedule. we play an Arizona team on the road this weekend that is only 4-3 but their 3 losses are to oregon, oregon st, and stanford. they have wins against a decent oklahoma state team (4-2) and a surprisingly good toledo team (7-1) that just beat a ranked cincinatti team this weekend. luckily their secondary is really crappy so we should have a good chance against them. our back 7 just need to show up like they have all season and we will be fine. matt scott running rich rod's offense is crazy good, but i think we can stop them. that's followed by hosting oregon and arizona state at home, a game at ucla, and then hosting ND for the regular season finale. if we can run the table (including the CCG) i think our resume will be impressive enough that we can move up to #2. we really need kansas state to lose though. one thing that i think is not emphasized enough in CFB is # of Home vs Away games. yesterday's game vs colorado was just our 3rd home game of the season. USC plays 6 home and 6 away games this season (and pretty much every season). other teams play 8 home games and only 4 away games regularly. that, along with the 9 conference game schedule really hurts us every year. | ||
Klogon
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On October 22 2012 10:21 LosingID8 wrote: if i were oregon i wouldn't be concerned. they have huge games coming up vs top 10 teams in USC and oregon st coming up, and possibly USC another time in the CCG. that would easily give them a huge boost in their SOS. of course they have to take care of business and i'm feeling pretty good about our (USC's) chances vs oregon We need you guys to keep doing well so when Oregon beats you guys, it gives us a bigger boost. haha. | ||
Damiani
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Damiani
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On October 22 2012 10:08 Ferrose wrote: BCS standings out for week 9: + Show Spoiler + RK TEAM RECORD 1 Alabama 7-0 2 Florida 7-0 3 Kansas State 7-0 4 Oregon 7-0 5 Notre Dame 7-0 6 LSU 7-1 7 Oregon State 6-0 8 Oklahoma 5-1 9 USC 6-1 10 Georgia 6-1 11 Mississippi State 7-0 12 Florida State 7-1 13 South Carolina 6-2 14 Texas Tech 6-1 15 Rutgers 7-0 16 Louisville 7-0 17 Stanford 5-2 18 Clemson 6-1 19 West Virginia 5-2 20 Texas A&M 5-2 21 Boise State 6-1 22 Michigan 5-2 23 Texas 5-2 24 Ohio 7-0 25 Wisconsin 6-2 Kansas State climbs to #3 and Oregon falls to #4. South Carolina lost 2 games in a row but only dropped a total of 7 spots in 2 losses. Sigh... Two undeated Big East teams is behind a 2 loss team. Something needs to be changed. | ||
LosingID8
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