That said, I'm not betting against any of the top tier Korean Terrans...
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Wren
United States745 Posts
That said, I'm not betting against any of the top tier Korean Terrans... | ||
superarmy
New Zealand422 Posts
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Sky0
United States214 Posts
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WinteRR
Australia201 Posts
On July 14 2011 11:51 Cloud9157 wrote: This just proves that Korean Terrans are the ones that represent the Terran race. Terrans outside of Korea that could match Korean Terrans? Could probably count them on 1 hand. This is true. The foreign Terran scene is struggling a fair bit in comparison to Z and P counterparts (with the exception of the aforementioned - Kas/ThorzaIN). The Korean Terrans are just on a completely different mechanical skill level, which is absolutely necessary for the unforgiving nature of macro Terran (unless you're a 1-2 base cheesy player like your avilos or Makers). You need to remember also that T is overrepresented in SC2 in general, T outnumbers most by a large margin in the competitive scene. | ||
Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On July 14 2011 11:54 Icekommander wrote: And then a bunch of maybes in Kas/Select/Sjow and Fenix. Replace Fenix with Happy. I don't think Fenix is on the same level as them. | ||
RoboBob
United States798 Posts
Honestly I look at Code S+A and I don't see nearly as many standouts for other races as Terrans. Terran: Nada, Bomber, SC, MVP, MKP, MMA, Polt, Jinro, Ryung, Top Protoss: MC, Alicia, Huk Zerg: Nestea, Losira, JulyZerg...maybe throw Dongragu in there too. | ||
EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
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kckkryptonite
1126 Posts
On July 14 2011 11:30 slicknav wrote: terrans benefit immensely from multitasking, such as for multiple drop's while pushing out with main army, which requires insane APM and control. Koreans are known to be good with such things. Beat me to it. But honestly, I don't think the top KR pros concentrate too much on ladder anyways. On July 14 2011 13:31 RoboBob wrote: Honestly I look at Code S+A and I don't see nearly as many standouts for other races as Terrans. Terran: Nada, Bomber, SC, MVP, MKP, MMA, Polt, Jinro, Ryung, Top Protoss: MC, Alicia, Huk Zerg: Nestea, Losira, JulyZerg...maybe throw Dongragu in there too. Puzzle, Tassadar, InCa, Sage? Leenock, viOlet, Zenio, Line? | ||
bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On July 14 2011 13:31 Skullflower wrote: Replace Fenix with Happy. I don't think Fenix is on the same level as them. Replace someone with results with someone that doesn't have results who has a marine micro video. Yeah, that makes sense. Fucking Happy fanboys on this forum. Wait until he does something at a LAN, he was extremely unimpressive at Dreamhack with Goody-esque macro. | ||
FataLe
New Zealand4400 Posts
On July 14 2011 11:26 Elementsu wrote: Terran is a good race for ladder, very resilient to cheese, has a figured out mirror and ladder has these close positions which really favor terran. Seems like Koreans know how to play abusive terran very well. Oh, you troll you. | ||
FataLe
New Zealand4400 Posts
On July 14 2011 11:57 Dommk wrote: 1/1/1 all-ins are pretty bullshit The two Protoss on the top aren't really the best Protoss either, I doubt anyone would consider them better than Sage, Puzzle or MC. Though in a general sense, Terran does seem to be the strongest race right now, at least in Korea. Quite the opposite in EU/NA. Almost 50% of the Top 100 is Terran in Korea Funny, 'cause one of the two Protoss players you mention is, in fact, Sage. | ||
KDot2
United States1213 Posts
On July 14 2011 13:31 RoboBob wrote: I don't think its surprising. Korea has always had a strong Terran tradition dating back to BW. Boxer, Nada, Flash...theres plenty of really talented kids now who choose to play Terran solely because their BW idols played the same. Marineking is a perfect example of that, just think if he chose Protoss or Zerg instead. Honestly I look at Code S+A and I don't see nearly as many standouts for other races as Terrans. Terran: Nada, Bomber, SC, MVP, MKP, MMA, Polt, Jinro, Ryung, Top Protoss: MC, Alicia, Huk Zerg: Nestea, Losira, JulyZerg...maybe throw Dongragu in there too. this is definitely a big factor but even coming from a Terran the 1/1/1 all in build is absolutely insane the question is ... how can it be patched without effecting the rest of Terran balance ? | ||
Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On July 14 2011 12:15 tdt wrote: This. People need to understand 90% of terran wins are within 8 minutes and Koreans abuse the shit out of the fact they have half a dozen strong all ins. Yes i agree with this. Terran has the ability to win early game easily. They have the most openings and its almost impossible to scout until its almost too late for P and Z. Terran's don't suffer build order loses basically, its as simply as that. Zergs feel pressured to fast expand as 1 base Zerg is crap and they are scared of being locked in their base via bunkers at their Natural. Protoss and Zerg both can die really easy to bancheese, if their guess wrong they are so far behind its almost an auto lose. A unit that is ultra fast, ignores terrain, and has cloak by 8 mins is crazy good. Korean Terran's use incredibly strong timing pushes to kill the game before 8 minutes Stim timing pushes are so good | ||
Korinai
Canada413 Posts
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On July 14 2011 14:12 ShooTouts wrote: this is definitely a big factor but even coming from a Terran the 1/1/1 all in build is absolutely insane the question is ... how can it be patched without effecting the rest of Terran balance ? It's beatable and actually extremely easy to scout, it just feels like bullshit when you lose to it. It doesn't need to be patched anymore than any of the other all-ins in the game. | ||
VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On July 14 2011 14:12 ShooTouts wrote: this is definitely a big factor but even coming from a Terran the 1/1/1 all in build is absolutely insane the question is ... how can it be patched without effecting the rest of Terran balance ? That's the biggest problem. If you nerf terran at the start those staple units, marine, tanks etc get weaker than they already are late game. Terran sucks in late game after Zerg or toss gets rolling with instant remaxs and powerful units like HTs, infestors etc kick in. I don't know how to fix it. Zerg and toss just maybe need better strats and some time. Game is young. | ||
Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
what's important is HOW the races are winning the games they are winning. Terran is basically the ideal ladder race though. Probably the most adept at stopping cheeses/ all ins which the majority of players use on all servers. Also the one thing i'd note on the ladder in korea, is that terrans haven't just been on top for the past week, they've been there for almost the entire season. | ||
TheDougler
Canada8287 Posts
On July 14 2011 13:41 kckkryptonite wrote: Beat me to it. But honestly, I don't think the top KR pros concentrate too much on ladder anyways. Puzzle, Tassadar, InCa, Sage? Leenock, viOlet, Zenio, Line? Puzzle and Tassadar have yet to prove themselves (altho I do think Puzzle's got what it takes). Inca is only good in one matchup and decent at his PvT. Doesn't make him a top level Protoss. Sage too has so far only dominated one (admittedly impressive) GSTL match, which is sick but I wouldn't give him too much credit yet. Agreed on Leenock, what on earth has viOlet done to impress you? And Zenio and line? They're ok... Not the kinda guys people really fear like they do all the other players mentioned. I think that original list is pretty solid in terms of representing the proven best of each race, (altho I dunno if I'd have Jinro in there these days, sorry Jinro). | ||
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