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On September 26 2012 21:41 neurosx wrote: Why does everyone need to argue about every single thing seriously ... People who can afford it and want to pay for it will pay for it and people who don't care/can't afford it won't pay for it. I don't see the point of arguing. If not enough people will pay it will fail by itself and that's a bigger statement than crying about it on a forum just saying Your statement is very solid and true, the reason why we argue is because there are little crybabys out there who say: "GODDAAAAAMN RAGE RAGE RAGE... A PPV EVENT!!!! I WON'T EEEEEEEEEEEEVER TUNE IN TO ANY MLG EVENT... EVEEEER AGAAAAAIN GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! DH ALL THE WAY BABY IN ANY ASPECT!!!!"
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I am disappointed at MLG not picking up Dota2... atleast they could say what is their stance on Dota2 ;/
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On September 26 2012 15:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 10:54 Mackus wrote: I'm implying that they're too money orientated, they're miles behind ASUS and Dreamhack and think they can charge for this stuff while the other alternatives are better and free. Not to mention the broadcasted games aren't even live, if TSL4 charged to watch there would be an absolute uproar but MLG are arrogant enough to think they're better. They are better, they have better players, a relatively exclusive product and higher production values. So I've worked for all 3 of these tournaments you've listed, each on more than one occasion, the whole "MLG is miles behind thing" is pretty much BS. MLG blows all of those tournaments out of the water in terms of options. Dreamhack has a 720p free stream, ok that's nice, MLG has 4-6 streams, player PoV, instant-replay VoDs and a far superior streaming setup. If possible they need to get up to 60fps from 30, that's a nice experience, but since they do 1080p rather than Dreamhacks 720p they might be hard-pressed to pull that off. I hear all this talk of "better production" from people that don't know what production is. In my experience MLG has better production overall. Dreamhack has better venues and as such provides a superior live experience. It's hard to compare the Raleigh convention centre to the Ericsson Globe. MLG could definitely do with finding some more exciting venues, they're way behind on that, not even first in the US since IPL gets better venues for their gigs. Dreamhack and MLG both suffer from downtime issues, Dreamhack is currently ahead in that respect but it's not perfect, there are still plenty of crowd-shots and lots of music filler. Dreamhack gets to use copyright music, Sweden is wonderful and all that. MLG has analysis in the bag. Analysis desk plus the replay Analysis touch-screen is more professional and provides more information than the Dreamhack Analysis couch. MLG continues to get better players, Dreamhack doesn't get top-tier Koreans as often though makes up for it somewhat with European depth of talent. MLG production value in terms of audio quality tends to be superior and that's mostly because of how they do it. They keep the casters as far away from the PA as possible, minimizing the kind of nasty reverb we got in WCS EU. There tend to be less production fuckups as well, production coming through on the stream, non-functional mics, that stuff is way less common at MLG. Their "portable studio" setup is much more effective, not to mention looks significantly more professional. MLG equipment tends to be better too, I do rather dislike the gear Dreamhack uses, those bloody around the ear mics will slice ya flesh and they don't honestly sound that great either. Much prefer the Sennheiser gear MLG uses, it's more comfortable, more robust and better quality overall. There's a reason that stuff is used for sports-casts. Quite frankly, the gap, assuming there is one and that's a matter of opinion, is way smaller than people make it out to be. MLG needs to get it's act together in terms of filling down-time. More interviews, more action replays, more analysis. Ideally they could get 2 more booths and do the GSL style of setting up while another match is going on, to provide a constant stream of matches. 60fps would be nice but not essential, it's a luxury and one I'll happily give up if it means 1080p and less of the artifacting we see on the Dreamhack stream (which knowing those guys will probably be cleared up by next tournament, they're super smart). Both are great tournaments and yet I see Dreamhack constantly praised and MLG constantly shit on. MLG is trying to run a business entirely on the basis of their tournament content, they have a lot of paid staff, a lot of expensive equipment and many costs to deal with. Dreamhack is not just eSports, has many volunteers and a number of advantages due to their position as a "cultural" event. Both are awesome and I'm sick to death of one being praised (to the point of ignoring some of it's mistakes and faults) and the other being constantly shit on at every turn. The bias exists on both TL and Reddit, it's enormous and obvious and quite frankly needs to stop. It's destructive, it serves no practical purpose and if we were to lose either MLG or Dreamhack it'd be a huge blow to the scene as it stands. Both deserve support.
Thanks so much for giving us more insight on how each events work. Its been silly lately with all the DH is better bandwagon/circle jerk.
How about instead of pitting the tournament organizers against each other, we help get them to the level of production of something outside esports, like espn? To much time and energy gets devoted into pitting them against each other.
another note, its 10 bucks for 6 weeks, is it really THAT bad?
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I get the feeling that MLG is lost and don't know how to identify itself. They did their thing that made it THE event to look for and now they are all over the place. I lost interest in MLG this year and by the smaller LR threads it seems like I'm not the only one.
I wish MLG good luck in finding its thing/soul but I will not be participating in this event. The competition over my attention is just too hard for a package like this.
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On September 26 2012 21:46 zolii wrote: I am disappointed at MLG not picking up Dota2... atleast they could say what is their stance on Dota2 ;/
Hold on, They hired the complexity dota 2 manager. Dota 2 might be picked up for the 2013 season or host some online tournaments.
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Why is LoL free, but not MLG vs kespa...... you should charge the league fans too and make more money.
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On September 26 2012 22:28 HeeroFX wrote: Why is LoL free, but not MLG vs kespa...... you should charge the league fans too and make more money.
I'm guessing Riot already pays them for it.
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I've got a pretty cool story for everybody
I don't think $10 is worth it so I'm not going to pay.
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On September 26 2012 22:34 Doodsmack wrote: I've got a pretty cool story for everybody
I don't think $10 is worth it so I'm not going to pay.
Do you really think that anyone cares about that?
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GOD BLESS DREAMHACK. MLG total crap.
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MLG is going for people who are willing to pay for their product, not people who are willing to shit talk on forums. If they fuck up on price or quality then they have to deal with the consequences. I have no reason to purchase anything, as whenever I can watch something live by happenstance that its a free featured stream then that's good enough for me!
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So failed. A Online Tournament as PPV only lol. I don't think more than 100 people will pay for that...
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On September 26 2012 22:41 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: GOD BLESS DREAMHACK. MLG total crap.
Looked at your country expecting to see Sweden, wasn't too far off LOL. Thanks for your reasoned and intelligent argument.
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On September 26 2012 22:44 Swish 41 wrote: So failed. A Online Tournament as PPV only lol. I don't think more than 100 people will pay for that...
I think there will more than that. As we can see on these forums there are alot of "esports patriots" who are on the noble mission to develop esports with there wallets, no matter what. Either you are with us or you are against us! charming really...
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This format is terrible. It's 2012, wake up MLG. Nobody wants to see NA invites who never deliver, like Idra or Huk. Besides, the first rounds are Kespa vs. Kespa and not-Kespa vs not-Kespa? This format is biased as hell and i hope only few people are attracted to this.
Also, PPV is often associated with Live-events. Maybe the term should have been coined differently, like "MLG Autumn ticket" or something similar to avoid bad associations.
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On September 26 2012 22:56 kusto wrote: This format is terrible. It's 2012, wake up MLG. Nobody wants to see NA invites who never deliver, like Idra or Huk. Besides, the first rounds are Kespa vs. Kespa and not-Kespa vs not-Kespa? This format is biased as hell and i hope only few people are attracted to this.
Also, PPV is often associated with Live-events. Maybe the term should have been coined differently, like "MLG Autumn ticket" or something similar to avoid bad associations.
Someone obviously doesn't read, since you don't know the format after it's been stated so many times in different threads.
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Im sorry but I will not pay for another MLG. There is simply too much content to watch anyhow
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I just feel bad for idra. He's up against Stork, Jangbi, and Last. The poor guys doesn't stand a chance. I would like to see something besides PPV only. I probably wont buy it just because most of the match ups look really one sided. I suppose there is always a chance for an upset
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