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On February 11 2012 12:22 Spieltor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem. exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath. ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally.
He's not alienating her from people. She doesn't have a laptop and can't watch TV. Were laptops and TV always around? No. She still goes to school and can socialize there.
I believe he's justified in doing what he did, it was his money so he can do what he wants with it. He seems like a wealthy person so I doubt shooting that laptop really put a dent in his wallet.
I respect the man and hope the daughter gets her shit together, I wish parents did this here in Ohio...
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The funny thing is if she had a job half of this wouldn't be a problem. If you start paying your own way your parents aren't really in a position to do anything, or at least if they are still upset - you can still live because you're not depending on them for handouts.
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On February 11 2012 22:59 Blardy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 12:22 Spieltor wrote:On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem. exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath. ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally. He's not alienating her from people. She doesn't have a laptop and can't watch TV. Were laptops and TV always around? No. She still goes to school and can socialize there. I believe he's justified in doing what he did, it was his money so he can do what he wants with it. He seems like a wealthy person so I doubt shooting that laptop really put a dent in his wallet. I respect the man and hope the daughter gets her shit together, I wish parents did this here in Ohio...
You do realise he posted this on her Facebook page? For everyone to see. Why the hell was her father reading her private messages on her facebook account while she was at school is beyond me. A teenager as the right to be a teenager. It's not like she doesn't do her chores or act on her feelings.
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that guy is a badass haha. he took it a little far, but it's retarded that children complain about doing simple chores or carrying even a fraction of the weight of the household like it's the end of the world. kids need to grow up and realize that life is not smooth sailing, and i'm sure the daughter realizes this now.
from what i gather the guy has faced this problem with her before, and yet she continued to offend, so he fixed the problem. teenagers don't always respond to pure reason. sometimes it takes something a little extreme to send the message
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venting is evil and you should never do it emotions are meant to be bottled up all the time ( except for when your shooting your kids laptop with a gun) but seriously what a waste of money i'd just take the laptop away and say it's no longer yours either that or sell it.
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I think his response may have been a little out of proportion, but we have no context of what really happened in their past and if her "rebeling" is a recurring incident (besides the one time he was mentioning). If it was just that one time, his whole punishment scheme is a little too far. Kids will be kids, even if the teenagers of this generation are a little more spoiled and whatnot than in the past.
But in his defense, she was being quite disrespectful to everybody and needed some sort of punishment.
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On February 11 2012 23:04 Jarvs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 22:59 Blardy wrote:On February 11 2012 12:22 Spieltor wrote:On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem. exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath. ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally. He's not alienating her from people. She doesn't have a laptop and can't watch TV. Were laptops and TV always around? No. She still goes to school and can socialize there. I believe he's justified in doing what he did, it was his money so he can do what he wants with it. He seems like a wealthy person so I doubt shooting that laptop really put a dent in his wallet. I respect the man and hope the daughter gets her shit together, I wish parents did this here in Ohio... You do realise he posted this on her Facebook page? For everyone to see. Why the hell was her father reading her private messages on her facebook account while she was at school is beyond me. A teenager as the right to be a teenager. It's not like she doesn't do her chores or act on her feelings.
Really is it wrong for him to read something ADDRESSED to him? As outsiders, we don't know the whole story so for her to post that in general embarrasses him as people could get the wrong idea. She disrespected him and embarrassed him so I still feel what he did was right.
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On February 11 2012 20:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I agree with that. That doesn't mean I agree with the dads reaction. I'm not surprised though because most of TL seems to be in favor of bullying, child abuse, social darwinism, etc.
Sadly I have also come to this conclusion and this thread just proves it.
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I need to reiterate the point that Mr. Jordan addresses lots of comments on his Facebook, and doesn't seem radical or a gun-toting nut at all. His daughter is also doing fine and not traumatized by the horrific experience of having her laptop taking away (and summarily executed).
https://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii
Also:
PS: CBS just called and offered us our own show. The ceiling of absurdity has just been reached.
LOL. TV these days..
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I tihnk part of the point of putting it on Her Facebook Page Only is to show what you put on the internet stays on the internet, and that you shouldn't be disrespectful to your parents and "the cleaning lady". You never know what can come back at you once you've put it out there. I guess she'll know that now. Unfortunatly it did get out on the internet so I will say it did make it worse than it should of been since it should stay to family maters and the people that were included in the facebook. This was not only a stand to his kid but a stand to the kids egging it on. For that it seems what he did is justified. Myself i would of just put the laptop up until my child could shows she is responsible enough to have it back. Rather it stepping up at home or looking for a job all by it may not get a job but at least make an effort towards it. Doesn't stop her from getting on another kids phone ar laptop or computer to go on her on facebook page again anyways just makes her more pissed in my oponion since there is no reward for doing a better job. Granted i dont know what was said to her personally. As for the gun part i think that it is his laptop so if he wants to waste his own money, in an atempt to basically say im not puttting up with your shit no more. Get your ass in gear. Thats his own right. <A little over the top maybe>
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Kids feels persecuted by their parents and vent about having to do chores. That doesn't make somebody selfish or spoiled, that makes me them a typical teenager. Also, "get me my shoes," and "cook me dinner," aren't things I would consider your average chores.
What his daughter did was perfectly normal. Sure, we as adults think it's stupid for somebody who has so much provided for them to complain about having to do chores, but we all did it at some point because we were teenagers. We've all vented our petty issues with our parents to friends and I doubt any of us ever got in trouble for doing so.
The guy was going through her personal messages and found her venting about having to do chores (plus the other stuff I previously mentioned), and then decided to throw a tantrum, humiliate her, destroy a laptop which he claimed he just paid $130 to upgrade which could have been put to better use, and then he broadcasts his intent to make her pay for the money he just wasted all because she was venting.
That's not, "tough, but fair" parenting. No kid is going to 'straighten up and fly right' when this is the punitive response to something so petty. Nothing the dad described in the letter leads me to believe she was some out of control spoiled-rotten brat. Just your average teen.
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On February 11 2012 12:57 TALegion wrote: I don't get why people are so amped. This dude a pretty strict stance, but hell, it's his parenting. It ain't any better than letting his kid run rampant like a prissy little shit. As far as I'm concerned, during your teenage years, your parents are either dicks or non-existent.
EDIT: Also, this is quite the opposite of, "Childish," "Immature," or, "Similar," behavior. He didnt just shoot it and yell, "Respect my authority," he put out his problem, explained it, elaborated on why it's wrong, the past problems which have not changed, and how the behavior lead to this. Hell, in a way, I wish my parents were this clear and explained all of their shit...
THIS.
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I don't know how to feel about this one, partly because of lack of concrete info.
Supposedly she did a similar thing in the past, got grounded for it and was warned that there would be more severe consequences if something like it happened again. She did it again, and was incredibly disrespectful and mindless in her post. He carried out the more severe punishment of taking away her laptop and phone, a punishment related to the crime, and telling her she can have them again when she can pay for them, again punishment related to the crime with the whole payment for chores/job thing.
If that had been all that happened, he'd have been a model parent and a good example for others. But to me, he made the punishment way too public (although it could be argued she made it public in the first place) and there was no need for a gun. If anything he could have just cleared all the info off the laptop and sold it to get back the $130 he spent on software and would have made just as good a point.
Teenagers will always rebel against their parents, it's in their nature to push and to find their own boundaries in life until their brain has properly matured at around 20-25 (I'm 18 btw). But this girl was pretty damn stupid in my opinion to make that post in the manner she did, the fact that it was so long showed she must have put even just a little thought into it, but apparently didn't or couldn't put some thought into her life in relation to others and how lucky she is. Teenagers will be teenagers, but she made herself look like a bitch, regardless of her actual personality, thus disrespecting herself as the parent said. Teenagers will be teenagers, but she was also stupid.
6 of one half a dozen of the other in my opinion.
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On February 11 2012 23:32 Angryn00b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 12:57 TALegion wrote: I don't get why people are so amped. This dude a pretty strict stance, but hell, it's his parenting. It ain't any better than letting his kid run rampant like a prissy little shit. As far as I'm concerned, during your teenage years, your parents are either dicks or non-existent.
EDIT: Also, this is quite the opposite of, "Childish," "Immature," or, "Similar," behavior. He didnt just shoot it and yell, "Respect my authority," he put out his problem, explained it, elaborated on why it's wrong, the past problems which have not changed, and how the behavior lead to this. Hell, in a way, I wish my parents were this clear and explained all of their shit... THIS.
It's childish in the sence that he decided to make a youtube video about this and post it instead of handling it like a normal person. It's now viral and i'd not be suprised if it leads to problems for the girl. There's been several old viral videos that lead to kids getting bullied and shunned at school.
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On February 11 2012 23:26 Scribble wrote: Kids feels persecuted by their parents and vent about having to do chores. That doesn't make somebody selfish or spoiled, that makes me them a typical teenager. Also, "get me my shoes," and "cook me dinner," aren't things I would consider your average chores.
What his daughter did was perfectly normal. Sure, we as adults think it's stupid for somebody who has so much provided for them to complain about having to do chores, but we all did it at some point because we were teenagers. We've all vented our petty issues with our parents to friends and I doubt any of us ever got in trouble for doing so.
The guy was going through her personal messages and found her venting about having to do chores (plus the other stuff I previously mentioned), and then decided to throw a tantrum, humiliate her, destroy a laptop which he claimed he just paid $130 to upgrade which could have been put to better use, and then he broadcasts his intent to make her pay for the money he just wasted all because she was venting.
That's not, "tough, but fair" parenting. No kid is going to 'straighten up and fly right' when this is the punitive response to something so petty. Nothing the dad described in the letter leads me to believe she was some out of control spoiled-rotten brat. Just your average teen.
I am a 'teen' and I can definately say that this girl is a spoiled-rotten brat and an average teenager at the same time.
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On February 11 2012 23:38 Xiron wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 23:26 Scribble wrote: Kids feels persecuted by their parents and vent about having to do chores. That doesn't make somebody selfish or spoiled, that makes me them a typical teenager. Also, "get me my shoes," and "cook me dinner," aren't things I would consider your average chores.
What his daughter did was perfectly normal. Sure, we as adults think it's stupid for somebody who has so much provided for them to complain about having to do chores, but we all did it at some point because we were teenagers. We've all vented our petty issues with our parents to friends and I doubt any of us ever got in trouble for doing so.
The guy was going through her personal messages and found her venting about having to do chores (plus the other stuff I previously mentioned), and then decided to throw a tantrum, humiliate her, destroy a laptop which he claimed he just paid $130 to upgrade which could have been put to better use, and then he broadcasts his intent to make her pay for the money he just wasted all because she was venting.
That's not, "tough, but fair" parenting. No kid is going to 'straighten up and fly right' when this is the punitive response to something so petty. Nothing the dad described in the letter leads me to believe she was some out of control spoiled-rotten brat. Just your average teen. I am a 'teen' and I can definately say that this girl is a spoiled-rotten brat and an average teenager at the same time. just to add something to this: it's easy to say that this is 'venting' or whatever on facebook, but i'm much more inclined to say that the posts were more for attention than anything. if you want to vent you talk to a friend or something about it. posting it on facebook is putting it out to a wide audience for sympathy.
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Went to far in my honest opinion. But I'm not really sure, some people these days on facebook really needs to learn how to be human... :S
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he's quite the bad parent. obviously failed to teach his kid some basic responsibilities and can't take some teenage whining without going completely crazy. wouldn't surprise me if his daughter turned out even worse after this, at least her relationship with him.
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I think some people may be missing the fact that, disciplining her or not, this girl is lucky to even HAVE a dad.
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