Which team league format do you prefer? - Page 11
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Malinor
Germany4701 Posts
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Hunterai
Thailand842 Posts
That is 4 separate 1v1s and the winners fight again in winners league style It makes for an epic epic reverse all-kill :D | ||
Talic_Zealot
688 Posts
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arkedos
Germany1426 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7788 Posts
On February 20 2012 21:34 hakha wrote: Examples? I cant recall any snipers off the top of my head =S Ryung was probably the most famous GSTL example. He used to be a sick Terran sniper. There are others, too. LOTS of strategy when deciding which player to send. | ||
Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
With the NASTL format, your team can't specifically match one player to another, and their format is just a bunch of regular matches, it's not really a team style as you can't employ the mentality of team strategy to it. | ||
hakha
Australia87 Posts
On February 20 2012 22:36 RPR_Tempest wrote: Ryung was probably the most famous GSTL example. He used to be a sick Terran sniper. There are others, too. LOTS of strategy when deciding which player to send. Arguably Ryung wasn't so much as a sniper but one of the better Slayers Terran, if i recall he was still sent out fairly often and he should be Code S level. He got a bad draw in Code A last time having to face Brown and his Up and Down group was quite horrible. I accept theres tons of strategy in GSTL and such, but its just more developed in BW and i feel that the all-kill format isn't the sort of format GOM should be aiming at as a major league competition. Just feels gimmicky compared to proleague | ||
Taiki
Norway57 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On February 20 2012 21:34 hakha wrote: Examples? I cant recall any snipers off the top of my head =S For map-sniper: SlayerS vs MvP in GSTL Feb(?) Finals - Frozen vs Keen on Tal'Darim Altar. | ||
MrSalamandra
United Kingdom412 Posts
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how2TL
1197 Posts
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Talic_Zealot
688 Posts
It is weird how SC2 leagues have been using weird formats, way too many maps or strange rules. SPL for team leagues and TSL2's rules and 5 map pool should have been the first place organizers look to. | ||
Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
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Recoil
United States276 Posts
On February 20 2012 23:37 Talic_Zealot wrote: Yeah, I really dislike that about NASTL. Furthermore they go ahead and show the matchups, which takes away all the possible excitement even if they are predetermined. It is weird how SC2 leagues have been using weird formats, way too many maps or strange rules. SPL for team leagues and TSL2's rules and 5 map pool should have been the first place organizers look to. I agree with your point that NASTL showing the matchups is actually a bad idea. I am sure they chose to show them for the hype they can generate for any specific matchup, but if they were to not show them (even if all the matchups were predetermined) that would always increase the mystery of could X play Y which means the only way to find out is if people tune in. | ||
NoobSkills
United States1499 Posts
On February 20 2012 23:24 MrSalamandra wrote: I'm really fine with both, although I do prefer to watch the GSTL format. The NASTL format does have an obvious plus, that it tests the depth of the team (if it was a bo7 or bo9, anyway) better since no one player can all-kill the other team. I'm not sure that's necessarily a plus though, if someone is good enough to all-kill the other team, perhaps they should be allowed the opportunity to do so. It doesn't say that much for the strength of the opposite team if no one on it can beat one player. I think the GSTL format is more exciting, at least. Doesn't the winners also have that plus? Even though a certain team may be weaker lineup it also tests the whole team down to the coaches decision making. How do you snipe X great player from either team? Are you confident in X person on Y map to take them down? Where as proleague are the matches predetermined? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49035 Posts
On February 20 2012 23:51 NoobSkills wrote: Doesn't the winners also have that plus? Even though a certain team may be weaker lineup it also tests the whole team down to the coaches decision making. How do you snipe X great player from either team? Are you confident in X person on Y map to take them down? Where as proleague are the matches predetermined? proleague matches are not predetermined. NASTL =/= Proleague proleague lineups used to be predetermined before the matchfixing scandal. | ||
Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On February 20 2012 19:59 -Archangel- wrote: And I don't agree with this statement from OP: In team games it is all about star players that carry their team. Messi, CR and others have done so in football for years. I strongly disagree with that statement. I don't know about the baseball example as I don't follow that, but Messi and CR does not carry their team. Their teams are filled with top class players, thats why they are performing. If you take Cristiano Ronaldo for example, he was supposed to be an integral part of ManUtd and when they sold him, they were gonna perform worse. Well, that's not how it worked out at all. I've heard the saying "A chain is only as strong as its weakest link", I've not heard something like "A teams' skill is defined by it's best player". I can see how what you're saying is true in sports where certain roles have a much more significant influence on the result, like a quarter-back in American Football, but in SC2 this isn't the case. | ||
Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 21 2012 00:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: proleague matches are not predetermined. NASTL =/= Proleague proleague lineups used to be predetermined before the matchfixing scandal. Eh, isn't the only difference between then and now that now lineups are not submitted / revealed ahead of time to prevent betting on individual games? It seems very unlikely that teams are just making up decisions on the spot. Technically they're still predetermined, it's just that nobody gets to know what they are before players are sent out. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49035 Posts
On February 21 2012 00:51 Talin wrote: Eh, isn't the only difference between then and now that now lineups are not submitted / revealed ahead of time to prevent betting on individual games? It seems very unlikely that teams are just making up decisions on the spot. Technically they're still predetermined, it's just that nobody gets to know what they are before players are sent out. a chit with the player's is given to the referee before each set,sure some parts of it are predetermined, but not entirely, because when a team is down 0-3 in a Bo7 you are gonna see the Ace of that team come out 99% of the time( that is 1% for in case your coach is january), their lineups after that set will also be changed accordingly to get the teams towards the Ace match. Team coaches are making decisions on the spot, and thats why people talk about them more now than before, Coaching strategy became something people seem to learn and understand more now than before. Edit: I could expand on this if you'd like, but i'd like to know if you watched SKT vs KT which was played yesterday because I am going to take that match as an example if we are going to continue this. | ||
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