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On March 31 2012 03:20 Carson wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:04 ninini wrote:On March 31 2012 02:04 zeru wrote: So the US's priorities, and every other warring counties priorities are completely right, spending more money on warring for oil, than say education, healthcare, and similar more important things?
Saying they're the only ones not prioritizing correctly is beyond false. Sure NK is pretty damn bad, there are worse things going on in places like Africa. No. Can you name a country in Africa where all of these things are true: They have no freedom whatsoever. They have locked up the entire population as if they were criminals, and shoots down anyone who tries to move across the border. That tortures, executes and enslaves ppl who complain about how the country is being run. That forcefully aborts fetuses that were conceived outside of the North Korean border (because of the chance that the baby isn't purebred Korean). And btw, most of these babies were conceived after someone helped the north korean woman pass the border and then sold her to a chinese farmer. A country where you get punished for what your relatives have done and where some children are born into slave-labor camps (Shin Dong Hyuk). A country where they do human-experiments, similar to what was going on in Nazi-Germany. (There are a few North Korean defector ex-guards who have given detailed descriptions over these things) As for the starvation, it's unclear how bad it is, but they are definately among the worst in the world, and considering how organized the country is, there's no comparison for how terrible they're doing on the food front. North Korea is today the worst hell-hole on earth, and that's a fact. No it isn't. What you've done is give a few examples of some terrible things that happen. Nothing like Rwanda is happening there, nothing like the Holocaust, things are bad, but NK is not "the worst hell-hole on earth". You think that it is because it's mysterious. Haiti is probably worse off than NK, as are a host of African countries. Look at these links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine
are you seriously about NK not being the worst ?
in nord korea they dont give ppl food , and in isolated village ppl become canibals for not dying . there is an documentary about NORTH KOREANS SELLING 3 YEARS OLD CHILDRENS TO LATER BE EATEN . Do you have canibalism in africa ? like canibalism to survive not as an alternative ?????
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On April 01 2012 04:09 xsnac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:20 Carson wrote:On March 31 2012 03:04 ninini wrote:On March 31 2012 02:04 zeru wrote: So the US's priorities, and every other warring counties priorities are completely right, spending more money on warring for oil, than say education, healthcare, and similar more important things?
Saying they're the only ones not prioritizing correctly is beyond false. Sure NK is pretty damn bad, there are worse things going on in places like Africa. No. Can you name a country in Africa where all of these things are true: They have no freedom whatsoever. They have locked up the entire population as if they were criminals, and shoots down anyone who tries to move across the border. That tortures, executes and enslaves ppl who complain about how the country is being run. That forcefully aborts fetuses that were conceived outside of the North Korean border (because of the chance that the baby isn't purebred Korean). And btw, most of these babies were conceived after someone helped the north korean woman pass the border and then sold her to a chinese farmer. A country where you get punished for what your relatives have done and where some children are born into slave-labor camps (Shin Dong Hyuk). A country where they do human-experiments, similar to what was going on in Nazi-Germany. (There are a few North Korean defector ex-guards who have given detailed descriptions over these things) As for the starvation, it's unclear how bad it is, but they are definately among the worst in the world, and considering how organized the country is, there's no comparison for how terrible they're doing on the food front. North Korea is today the worst hell-hole on earth, and that's a fact. No it isn't. What you've done is give a few examples of some terrible things that happen. Nothing like Rwanda is happening there, nothing like the Holocaust, things are bad, but NK is not "the worst hell-hole on earth". You think that it is because it's mysterious. Haiti is probably worse off than NK, as are a host of African countries. Look at these links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine are you seriously about NK not being the worst ? in nord korea they dont give ppl food , and in isolated village ppl become canibals for not dying . there is an documentary about NORTH KOREANS SELLING 3 YEARS OLD CHILDRENS TO LATER BE EATEN . Do you have canibalism in africa ? like canibalism to survive not as an alternative ????? Idk if I would name it THE worst country...but it is pretty damn bad (unarguable). I wouldn't doubt if many other impoverished nations are resorting to cannibalism especially Africa.
on topic: Maybe the new NK leader thinks there is cake out in space? Or maybe more cake nearby?
edit: People seem to forget that there was no actual treaty signed. Technically speaking the Korea peninsula is still at war.
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The US and it's allies could completely take over and destroy North Korea before their missle could even make it into orbit. I don't know why everyone is so scared of them.
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Start peace talks, receive aid, resume aggressive posturing with missile tests, "vehement" opposition from U.N. with sanctions, N.K. maintains this position of "lunatic with a bomb" until it runs out of resources, rinse and repeat.
Getting quite old if you ask me. Until some method of demilitarizing airborne warheads exists, I don't see it ending anytime soon either..
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On April 01 2012 04:18 Konaa wrote: The US and it's allies could completely take over and destroy North Korea before their missle could even make it into orbit. I don't know why everyone is so scared of them.
And while that's happening North Korea would deploy everything they have and completely obliterate South Korea.
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lol I have a flight to South Korea on April 12th. My fucking boss better not cancel my vacation because of this shit. I already paid for my plane tickets...
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On April 01 2012 04:19 SwizzY wrote: Start peace talks, receive aid, resume aggressive posturing with missile tests, "vehement" opposition from U.N. with sanctions, N.K. maintains this position of "lunatic with a bomb" until it runs out of resources, rinse and repeat.
Getting quite old if you ask me. Until some method of demilitarizing airborne warheads exists, I don't see it ending anytime soon either..
They didn't even receive their aid. They were just about to, but then they started this shit, and everyone threw the food into a river.
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On April 01 2012 04:56 Silentness wrote: lol I have a flight to South Korea on April 12th. My fucking boss better not cancel my vacation because of this shit. I already paid for my plane tickets... Keep it silent, shh.
How disheartening to know that at one point, I had hope for North Korea because of the food aid. Now in the next point they fuck it all up.
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hmm..so if America, or South Korea or some other country is determined to shoot down this rocket as it goes into space, wouldn't that make North Korea more likely to take action as a form of "retribution" for what happened? Like trying to shoot down a satellite from the US or SK, which would inevitably escalate into a serious military confrontation? We know that North Korea is unstable...this good provoke them into a war.
At the same time I guess the logic here is, its a more favourable situation than potentially letting them acquire intercontinental ballistic missiles, which they can later arm with nuclear warheads to threaten the world with, right? I disagree. Even if they acquired that capability, I think the US and other neighbouring countries would have the capability to quash any ICBM launch attempts. Our technology is simply too advanced. Yes North Korea may remain a threat, but its better to try to negotiate with the Chinese and impose sanctions to promote peaceful change.
Invading North Korea should be a last resort. They may be dangerous, but their tech is pretty old. We need to avoid confrontation as long as possible, using peaceful methods to the best of our ability, in order to protect south korea - home of our beloved pro-gamers and casting archon - from any violent reprisal
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NoKo Gonna cause ww3. But, I think North Korea doesn't have any allies here: they were given fair warning, and now they have to face the consequences of not listening. China won't side with them, They know that the country is in peril after Kim Jong Il's death. All we have to do is wait for SoKo to rickroll them out of there
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On April 01 2012 05:43 BaconofWar wrote: NoKo Gonna cause ww3. But, I think North Korea doesn't have any allies here: they were given fair warning, and now they have to face the consequences of not listening. China won't side with them, They know that the country is in peril after Kim Jong Il's death. All we have to do is wait for SoKo to rickroll them out of there
How could they cause WWIII if they have no real allies?
Except China for the "we don't want no war because then we'll have to deal with millions of NK refugees".
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I think NK just lets some political/military muscles play, their new president needs some sort of success or something the people can look forward. Nk know that other countries will get angry but they also know that they can´t do that much against it if they say its peaceful. Same situation was with iran blocking the "homs area", if the USA wanted they could have easily crushed them but ofc no one wants to risk war so they didn´t. I guess those regimes need - whatever the reason is - such moves.
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On April 01 2012 04:12 heroyi wrote: edit: People seem to forget that there was no actual treaty signed. Technically speaking the Korea peninsula is still at war. They should settle it in a BO7 of BW. South Korea would win either way, so they might as well avoid all the blood-shed. Just don't send Bisu.
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lets think of it this way. what if our other countries comdemn us from testing our weapons and these countries are much more powerful than us. i know there's probably 1million better way to spend the money than this but these people are so isolated. Why are we so afriaid of a small missle when other countries have so much more than NK.
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This isn't politically correct, but would it almost be a good thing for north Korea to make a mistake in which the consequences resulted in NATO, the us and other countries invading north Korea in order to over turn the regime?
In that case it would hopefully lead to the betterment of the people of north Korea in the long run. Would china and Russia actually dare support, thus causing ww3? Or stay out of it in order I preserve trade and future peace? China, technically could still remain allies with north Korea, but under difference pretenses ?
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On April 01 2012 06:36 ranshaked wrote: This isn't politically correct, but would it almost be a good thing for north Korea to make a mistake in which the consequences resulted in NATO, the us and other countries invading north Korea in order to over turn the regime?
In that case it would hopefully lead to the betterment of the people of north Korea in the long run. Would china and Russia actually dare support, thus causing ww3? Or stay out of it in order I preserve trade and future peace? China, technically could still remain allies with north Korea, but under difference pretenses ? Another war to put the US in more debt.
SMART.
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On April 01 2012 06:36 ranshaked wrote: This isn't politically correct, but would it almost be a good thing for north Korea to make a mistake in which the consequences resulted in NATO, the us and other countries invading north Korea in order to over turn the regime?
In that case it would hopefully lead to the betterment of the people of north Korea in the long run. Would china and Russia actually dare support, thus causing ww3? Or stay out of it in order I preserve trade and future peace? China, technically could still remain allies with north Korea, but under difference pretenses ?
I would try to avoid ww3 no matter what... As Homer wisely said: Ahh, big deal. By the time Bart's 18 were gonna control the world. We're China, right?
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On April 01 2012 06:44 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 06:36 ranshaked wrote: This isn't politically correct, but would it almost be a good thing for north Korea to make a mistake in which the consequences resulted in NATO, the us and other countries invading north Korea in order to over turn the regime?
In that case it would hopefully lead to the betterment of the people of north Korea in the long run. Would china and Russia actually dare support, thus causing ww3? Or stay out of it in order I preserve trade and future peace? China, technically could still remain allies with north Korea, but under difference pretenses ? Another war to put the US in more debt. SMART.
Stop putting a pricetag on human beings. Atleast the US get to use some of the 900$ billions they use on the military, and actually for a good cause.
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On April 01 2012 06:49 colate wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 06:44 Marcus420 wrote:On April 01 2012 06:36 ranshaked wrote: This isn't politically correct, but would it almost be a good thing for north Korea to make a mistake in which the consequences resulted in NATO, the us and other countries invading north Korea in order to over turn the regime?
In that case it would hopefully lead to the betterment of the people of north Korea in the long run. Would china and Russia actually dare support, thus causing ww3? Or stay out of it in order I preserve trade and future peace? China, technically could still remain allies with north Korea, but under difference pretenses ? Another war to put the US in more debt. SMART. Stop putting a pricetag on human beings. Atleast the US get to use some of the 900$ billions they use on the military, and actually for a good cause.
Those 900 billion good have gone somewhere else as well, it's not like the US are the only ones trying to prevent this.
On-point: I think it's wrong to just blatantly assume that this is in any way threatening just because it's coming from NK. Sure it does seem suspicious and given NK's past with all rights should be considered suspicious but nontheless not treated with prejudice.
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