North Korea to launch rocket April 12-16 - Page 14
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
The sad part is, millions of people are starving in there. Even China is getting fed up with their bullshit. If we had any humanitarian bones in our bodies, we'd have decimated Pyongyang and liberated the NK people already. It's heartbreaking. NK tests chemical and biological warfare agents on civilian South Koreans... disgusting. | ||
MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
On March 30 2012 14:48 DannyJ wrote: Stand back world as we display our 1950's technology. LOL'ed so damn hard. Thank you sir | ||
Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On April 14 2012 05:15 Integra wrote: Let's hope NK doesn't do anything crazy to "redeem" themselves since they lost "face". Many fear now that NK will test detonate another mini nuke just to prove to the rest of the world that they are not failures. This is what happened in the past also. The NK leadership depends a lot on showing their military strength, and their new great leader is looking like a failure so far. I'd say its likely they do another pointless nuclear test, further screwing over their own population because food aid will be over entirely and hopefully finally getting China to intervene in this nonsense. | ||
Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
Just to give some perspective: first satellite to be launched was Sputnik 1, launched by the Soviet Union on October 4, 1957. The first Satellite from USA was Explorer 1 which launched January 31, 1958. So ya.... NK really showing the world just how "advanced" they are.... | ||
Medrea
10003 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 14 2012 02:18 Reyis wrote: no, many nations cant violate the air space of the big 3 + 1 nations. usa, uk, russia and +1 as china. these nations dont need permission from anyone to send something to the space while rest of the world must take permission from the international community to do such stuff. North Korea was forbidden to do such a thing, cant even ask for a permission. There will be a punishment for that in the future. But lets say, if Czech Republic did it without permission, that would have had lesser punishment for it because Czech are not forbidden to make those rockets but they must ask permission from the big 3 + 1 to launch. I have no idea why would you include uk and not france, but that is just a nitpick. My question is why do other nations need permission. Who forbade NK to do that and who has the authority to do that ? You seem like a proponent of might makes right approach, but those who subsribe to it have no justification for their actions and once there is someone stronger they have no way to object when finally they are being pushed around and killed without being hypocrites. So again why should a sovereign nation ask for permission to build and launch rockets ? | ||
mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 14 2012 05:25 Crownlol wrote: NK is the joke of the world. The sad part is, millions of people are starving in there. Even China is getting fed up with their bullshit. If we had any humanitarian bones in our bodies, we'd have decimated Pyongyang and liberated the NK people already. It's heartbreaking. NK tests chemical and biological warfare agents on civilian South Koreans... disgusting. The problem with that is that decimating Pyongyang would have killed quite a lot of those people you are trying to save, not mentioning probably quite high deathtoll in South Korea. | ||
mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 14 2012 05:43 Integra wrote: Just to give some perspective: first satellite to be launched was Sputnik 1, launched by the Soviet Union on October 4, 1957. The first Satellite from USA was Explorer 1 which launched January 31, 1958. So ya.... NK really showing the world just how "advanced" they are.... Not saying that they are not rather backward technologically, but using space programs to show that is kind of ridiculous. How many satellites have Sweden launched on their own ? Space program is not only dependent on scientific and technological knowledge, but you need also a lot of "institutional" knowledge that takes time to build no matter how advanced your science and technology is. I think there are better ways to showcase their technological backwardness, just look at their daily lives, healthcare, scientific output,... | ||
shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On April 14 2012 20:59 mcc wrote: Not saying that they are not rather backward technologically, but using space programs to show that is kind of ridiculous. How many satellites have Sweden launched on their own ? Space program is not only dependent on scientific and technological knowledge, but you need also a lot of "institutional" knowledge that takes time to build no matter how advanced your science and technology is. I think there are better ways to showcase their technological backwardness, just look at their daily lives, healthcare, scientific output,... They have healthcare? | ||
yB.TeH
Germany413 Posts
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sorrowptoss
Canada1431 Posts
NK tests chemical and biological warfare agents on civilian South Koreans... disgusting. I'd like to add that every western country in the world has performed chemical and/or biological warfare tests on their civilians and every western country in the world has performed missile tests in the past and possibly today. Just like Iran, western countries are condemning NK because they want to keep their upper hand on military technology. Humanitarian help is just a side effect. Seriously. | ||
act.hero
United States205 Posts
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On April 14 2012 23:47 act.hero wrote: I hope they fire this shit and give us a reason to erase them. They already did? | ||
zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On April 14 2012 21:30 sorrowptoss wrote: I'd like to add that every western country in the world has performed chemical and/or biological warfare tests on their civilians and every western country in the world has performed missile tests in the past and possibly today. Just like Iran, western countries are condemning NK because they want to keep their upper hand on military technology. Humanitarian help is just a side effect. Seriously. I think I will side with those people, rather than people like you who would even defend a government that experiments weapons on civillians. To say that you lack any sense of a morality is to infer too much praise for your pitch black heart. | ||
DeepElemBlues
United States5075 Posts
On April 14 2012 21:30 sorrowptoss wrote: I'd like to add that every western country in the world has performed chemical and/or biological warfare tests on their civilians and every western country in the world has performed missile tests in the past and possibly today. Just like Iran, western countries are condemning NK because they want to keep their upper hand on military technology. Humanitarian help is just a side effect. Seriously. Western countries don't let millions of their citizens starve or kill thousands of their own citizens for protesting, and the last few times countries with non-Western ideals had military parity with the West about 150 million people died combined in WW1, WW2 and through Communist mass murder of their own citizens. So a Western upper hand on military technology seems pretty preferable for Westerns and non-Westerners alike. | ||
BaconofWar
United States369 Posts
On April 14 2012 05:25 Crownlol wrote: NK is the joke of the world. The sad part is, millions of people are starving in there. Even China is getting fed up with their bullshit. If we had any humanitarian bones in our bodies, we'd have decimated Pyongyang and liberated the NK people already. It's heartbreaking. NK tests chemical and biological warfare agents on civilian South Koreans... disgusting. While I agree with everything you're saying, A lot of these North Koreans are indoctrinated to the level that they wil die to the last man for their country. That's what most people forget about, the fact that it might be possible that the north Koreans don't want to be rescued. In addition, Just walking in their and killing everyone would be a huge crisis, not to mention the effects on South Korea and Asia in general. Asia doesn't need any more US intervention with three or four rising economic superpowers, one of which may become a military superpower. | ||
Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On April 15 2012 01:19 DeepElemBlues wrote: Western countries don't let millions of their citizens starve or kill thousands of their own citizens for protesting, and the last few times countries with non-Western ideals had military parity with the West about 150 million people died combined in WW1, WW2 and through Communist mass murder of their own citizens. So a Western upper hand on military technology seems pretty preferable for Westerns and non-Westerners alike. Wut is this... I don't even... | ||
mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 15 2012 01:19 DeepElemBlues wrote: Western countries don't let millions of their citizens starve or kill thousands of their own citizens for protesting, and the last few times countries with non-Western ideals had military parity with the West about 150 million people died combined in WW1, WW2 and through Communist mass murder of their own citizens. So a Western upper hand on military technology seems pretty preferable for Westerns and non-Westerners alike. WW1 and WW2 to a degree were wars between western countries. And ideals have not much to do with it. Western countries claimed the same ideals in the past and it did not prevent them from killing thousands of their own citizens or even starving their citizens. Not even mentioning that even in the West people are still left to die or suffer because of ideology, thankfully not on such a scale as in NK. There are good reasons why world should try to make the current NK regime go away, but it needs to be done reasonably and West does not have a good track record with that lately. The change needs to mainly come from NK itself otherwise it will be another clusterfuck. What "West" is doing has nothing to do with welfare of NK population, but their own national interests as is nearly always (and always was) the case. And it is extremely hypocritical for them to try to prevent other nations from develping rockets or nukes under the umbrella of standard condemnations used by "West" against Iran or NK. Destabilizing region, really, hmm, what has US been doing last 50 years all over the world ? There are good things to condemn NK for without being complete hypocrite. There are rather few things to condemn Iran for without condemning basically whole Middle East even harder and yet here we are. However I would be interested what he meant by western countries (or even NK) testing chemical and biological weapons on their populations. I would not be terribly surprised, but is it actually a fact ? | ||
Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On April 14 2012 20:48 mcc wrote: The problem with that is that decimating Pyongyang would have killed quite a lot of those people you are trying to save, not mentioning probably quite high deathtoll in South Korea. But what if we are not really interested in Saving them, we just want NK out of the way. Besides who's going to feed these dirt broke refugees, I definitely don't want them coming over here. I doubt the South Koreans would want to feed them either. | ||
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