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On September 26 2012 07:05 NOOBALOPSE wrote: Again with the Pay Per View. omfg.... Really I hope no one buys it.
Yes...... why are they sticking it to Starcraft and not MOBA games? just don't do it. Maybe give an option to pay for a super high quality stream, but give free streams. Please.
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Oh man, that player list looks so sick. Super excited for this!
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So the season will be nothing but a complete stomp by KeSPA players against poor foreigners (exept Stephano)? I can see why they are doing this, it is just not fair to invite players just based on their team. Luckily for me most of my favorite players are already qualified for the Fall championship.
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i didn't even consider paying money for this, and i've bought most MLG content before now
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On September 26 2012 21:44 ULuMuGuLu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 21:41 neurosx wrote: Why does everyone need to argue about every single thing seriously ... People who can afford it and want to pay for it will pay for it and people who don't care/can't afford it won't pay for it. I don't see the point of arguing. If not enough people will pay it will fail by itself and that's a bigger statement than crying about it on a forum just saying Your statement is very solid and true, the reason why we argue is because there are little crybabys out there who say: "GODDAAAAAMN RAGE RAGE RAGE... A PPV EVENT!!!! I WON'T EEEEEEEEEEEEVER TUNE IN TO ANY MLG EVENT... EVEEEER AGAAAAAIN GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! DH ALL THE WAY BABY IN ANY ASPECT!!!!" And then we got the lovely counter argument: WAAAAAWAAAAAAAAA YOU NEED TO SUPPORT ESPORTS, WHY YOU NO PAAAAAAAY! YOU NEED TO GIVE MONEY TO DEVELOP SCENE EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PRODUCT! FEEL BAD ! THINK OF THE PEOPLE WORKING IN EEEEEEEEEESPORT!
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I can't wait! This will be amazing! Flash versus Scarlett! Oh my goodness that will be great!
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On September 26 2012 23:38 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 23:03 rwadams wrote: I just feel bad for idra. He's up against Stork, Jangbi, and Last. The poor guys doesn't stand a chance. I would like to see something besides PPV only. I probably wont buy it just because most of the match ups look really one sided. I suppose there is always a chance for an upset No, he's up against every single KeSPA player... -_- It's 24 matches, each of the 24 non-KeSPA players plays each of the 24 KeSPA players.
I was referring to his first group, but I suppose you are correct as well. It's just a painfully difficult first set, morale wise.
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Long live the ESF! but this actually may place further strain on the Kespa v ESF relationship. Scarlett's issue was obvious as she was streaming in dial-up(?) and probably couldn't manage a connection to EU servers never mind KR.
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On September 27 2012 00:40 Rhodon wrote: I can't wait! This will be amazing! Flash versus Scarlett! Oh my goodness that will be great!
scarlett declined due to lag issues to kr server.
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On September 27 2012 00:34 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 21:44 ULuMuGuLu wrote:On September 26 2012 21:41 neurosx wrote: Why does everyone need to argue about every single thing seriously ... People who can afford it and want to pay for it will pay for it and people who don't care/can't afford it won't pay for it. I don't see the point of arguing. If not enough people will pay it will fail by itself and that's a bigger statement than crying about it on a forum just saying Your statement is very solid and true, the reason why we argue is because there are little crybabys out there who say: "GODDAAAAAMN RAGE RAGE RAGE... A PPV EVENT!!!! I WON'T EEEEEEEEEEEEVER TUNE IN TO ANY MLG EVENT... EVEEEER AGAAAAAIN GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! DH ALL THE WAY BABY IN ANY ASPECT!!!!" And then we got the lovely counter argument: WAAAAAWAAAAAAAAA YOU NEED TO SUPPORT ESPORTS, WHY YOU NO PAAAAAAAY! YOU NEED TO GIVE MONEY TO DEVELOP SCENE EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PRODUCT! FEEL BAD ! THINK OF THE PEOPLE WORKING IN EEEEEEEEEESPORT!
lol yeah its such a silly argument.
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On September 26 2012 15:41 Toyman69 wrote: As much as u defend their live tournaments it doesn't change the fact that this 1 is not live, its casted from replays played mostly cross server, b01s. Why would people pay to watch this besides kespa name value? there isnt any cuz there is tons of free sc2 content out there that will be better just based on format alone, not even considering that no esf player r in this
Hardcore fans will no doubt watch it. Casual fans will probably pass on it. That's the nature of PPV and it's always going to end up being that way.
We had this discussion previously when the last PPV argument came up. My argument remains the same, PPV events that otherwise would not have happened, happen because they are actually affordable. The lower viewer numbers don't matter because each individual viewer provides FAR more. The problem I have with the MLG Arena setup is putting a pay-wall in front of something which directly influences a free event. If you're going to do PPV like this I want to see it be a stand-alone thing so that viewers aren't forced to pay to watch a storyline that affects the storyline of the next tournament.
PPV is a sustainable business model, sustainable business models are good for eSports, lest we forget what happens when eSports is built on an unsustainable foundation.
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That really kind of sucks... I'm kind of worried that ESF might start using it's new-found leverage a little bit more often than it should...
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On September 27 2012 00:17 CrazyBirdman wrote:So the season will be nothing but a complete stomp by KeSPA players against poor foreigners (exept Stephano)? I can see why they are doing this, it is just not fair to invite players just based on their team. Luckily for me most of my favorite players are already qualified for the Fall championship.
Foreigners will do well, not every kespa players are gosu yet. I would not be surprised if it ended up 50:50
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It's funny how it comes to appeals to supporting esports when it's a league on this side of the world treating ESF players unfairly. Actually this is the most explicit example of ESF players being treated as second class Korean gamers so far but everyone is lining up to pay MLG to watch? And it's over a transcontinental (aka lag fest) online, replay casted tournament of all things.
Isn't this the exact kind of tournament people should be boycotting considering the fervour raised over Kespa-ESF drama last time (and virtually all in ESF's favour, confusingly enough, since they are basically being neglected in this tournament)?
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On September 26 2012 09:23 Fogger wrote: Oh my I've never seen so many tears for 10$ of great content before. I think 10 is well worth the content and would much rather spend it on this than a movie of the same value.
I dont mind the price. I just dont think the matches will be very good. Im expecting to see a LOT of NA players get trounced by korean and europeans alike... except for Scarlett, our great white hope
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On September 27 2012 01:02 rwadams wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 09:23 Fogger wrote: Oh my I've never seen so many tears for 10$ of great content before. I think 10 is well worth the content and would much rather spend it on this than a movie of the same value. I dont mind the price. I just dont think the matches will be very good. Im expecting to see a LOT of NA players get trounced by korean and europeans alike... except for Scarlett, our great white hope
I think atleast 3 people in this page alone has said Scarlett's withdrawn.
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Again pain per view... ffs. They are trying to make us pay again under the "build esports banner". Just make more ingame advertisement! EG is paying for a whole team with advertising, and they can not pay for a single tournament?
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On September 27 2012 01:02 rwadams wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 09:23 Fogger wrote: Oh my I've never seen so many tears for 10$ of great content before. I think 10 is well worth the content and would much rather spend it on this than a movie of the same value. I dont mind the price. I just dont think the matches will be very good. Im expecting to see a LOT of NA players get trounced by korean and europeans alike... except for Scarlett, our great white hope
I don't think 10$ is a bad price point for a ppv sc2 event. I just think that the quality of the content is clearly not worth it. They are selling replays with commentary. Nothing all too special about it. If it was an MLG championship for 10 bux, sure thats hella worth it. Live crowd, tons of interviews, tons of stuff etc etc, but those are free :D. Replays with commentary is not very exciting for me. I can get it anywhere for free.
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On September 27 2012 01:03 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 01:02 rwadams wrote:On September 26 2012 09:23 Fogger wrote: Oh my I've never seen so many tears for 10$ of great content before. I think 10 is well worth the content and would much rather spend it on this than a movie of the same value. I dont mind the price. I just dont think the matches will be very good. Im expecting to see a LOT of NA players get trounced by korean and europeans alike... except for Scarlett, our great white hope I think atleast 3 people in this page alone has said Scarlett's withdrawn.
I didn't want to believe them until I found proof, but here it is. Confirmed by MLG Adam + Show Spoiler +
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