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It doesn't matter one way or another what Blizzard intended, as the general player base is what runs the games standards. I have played this game for many years and this is only the second time I've heard of the program, so assuming that the entire competitive player base has access/knows of this ability is folly, and thus using the program to your advantage is not justifiable by saying that competitive games in general allow it.
Keycraft does give the opportunity for an unfair advantage. Having all of your hotkeys nearby eachother and in easy reach, or furthermore, binding multiple key spells/abilities (as op mentioned) to a single, easily reachable key is an advantage over someone who is not doing so, no matter how you try to cut that cake. Even if it's just for the sake of your comfort, it's overriding what is supposed to be with what you want to be, while the same is not true of those who do not use it.
That being said, I personally don't have a problem with one kind of user as opposed to another. Those using the program simply to resituate the normal key structure for easier reach (as with p -> s) is fine by me; it is still a slight advantage, and arguing against that is silly given the nature of reprogramming something for your comfort, but it isn't a game changing one to me.
I do, however, make a distinction between the above and those who would bind multiple commands/keys to a single key, allowing them to issue multiple commands at once. This eliminates a need to multitask as well as others, is very different from rebinding for comfort, and is a game changer (and thus hack) in my view.
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Using this makes the game much easier imo....so either EVERYONE should use it (as in blizz should put this into the game) or it should be banned...Bw is all about balance...
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it's not for you to say what is easy for ppl or not. i happen to have small hands and i have trouble covering the entire keyboard and there are others like me so pressing 0p 0p is hard for me. any advantage that you claim are neglible because macrowise the keycrafters suffer because they neglect the right part of the keyboard.
hmm, the naysayers are running out of things to say. what the hell lol kinda argument is because everyone else is not using it then it shouldn't be allowed? for one thing, you can't even define the standard for everyone, you don't know what happens in the korean scene (they have their own customisable keyboard which are not banned), you don't know what happens in the Chinese scene. as it stands, you naysayers can't prove any of the things you claim (please don't present ur opinion as facts) and stop calling people morons when they present a case and you can't.
We are done with this discussion, you naysayers are against it because you feel robbed while you present your personal opinions as argument so lol at you.
anyways, lets stop arguing the case of BW morality and let's look at a cute azn chick in bikini :D
with a horse in the backgroud !
omfg look at that O_O
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Actually doing it in lan events isn't really hard, you just have to replace the patch_rt.mpq file in your bw folder, which you can have on your usb stick or on the hotmail... Ahh it's not like they can stop anyone from using it either, as you dont have a program running in the background as already stated, I dont even have keycraft on my comp anymore and I still have changed hotkeys.. They would have to make a program that scanned the patch_rt file to catch anyone, dunno if it's even possible...
Common, it's just a setting it dont alter the gameplay which is the idea of a hack... It's just a stupid discussion where those who want to use it, will use it, while those who not, wont use it. Afterall there isn't anyway to catch anyone with it...
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Hotkey and using hotkeys is so easy for me it comes nateraly so i dont think that i have to suffer because some keys are further aprt i dont think it matters at all, i dont even think when i key. Usualy i cant even say wat keys do which, its just natural now.
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Im not really sure whether or not to consider it as i type of hack since, as some people already stated, it doesn't really affect the gameplay. However it could give an unfair advantage if one player has a different set of hotkeys from the other. But then again it depends on whether the players are comfortable with their own hotkey set or the original. Personally, I'd prefer to stick with the original hotkeys.
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On January 01 2008 00:37 Jibba wrote: So because they made a UI change in WC3, they meant for it in SC? I guess you just gave a vote for MBS.
Someone could buy the Italian version of BW to get an unfair advantage of Irradiate, but the chances of that happening are far, far less than someone using Keycraft. Yeah, MBS is a much bigger advantage than rebinding keys, but both are still advantages over people who play the default game, as Blizzard designed it.
Oh those unfair Italian versions!
How can you possibly by serious that having a different language version is unfair? Unfair like hacking? Don't you see that this is a StarCraft design flaw that stems back from the time before professional SC?
On a side note, I've been wondering why they use the English version for pro games. Is there anything wrong with the Korean version?
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On January 04 2008 08:54 Simplistik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2008 00:37 Jibba wrote: So because they made a UI change in WC3, they meant for it in SC? I guess you just gave a vote for MBS.
Someone could buy the Italian version of BW to get an unfair advantage of Irradiate, but the chances of that happening are far, far less than someone using Keycraft. Yeah, MBS is a much bigger advantage than rebinding keys, but both are still advantages over people who play the default game, as Blizzard designed it. Oh those unfair Italian versions! How can you possibly by serious that having a different language version is unfair? Unfair like hacking? Don't you see that this is a StarCraft design flaw that stems back from the time before professional SC? On a side note, I've been wondering why they use the English version for pro games. Is there anything wrong with the Korean version? I said on Irradiate it would be, but it'd be disadvantaged on some other bind so all in all it'd be fairly equal. That's not the same as setting everything to the same key.
It's not as if it'd be difficult for Blizzard to allow it if they wanted to. They did it for WC3 with CustomKeys.
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blizzard are lazy, that's it. stop trying to come up with some cosmic explanation why they haven't patch it with a custom key.
the point of the argument about different language keyboard is that there are NO gameplay reason behind this particular design decision on Blzzard's part. Cmon, every fucking hotkey have to belong to the word that associate with the unit, how the fuck did you even think that has to do with balance and gameplay? ???
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Saying Blizzard is lazy in implementing this is not necessarily true.
A) They could either not know about this, B) Know about it and not care, C) Know about it and be against it, D) Know about it and support it.
Now if it is A or B, they don't have any stance on it and it won't get patched.
If it is C, they wouldn't patch it in, but they also likely wouldn't speak out against it unless it became some huge hack issue on Bnet (which it isn't). Leagues have decided what is allowed and what is not, and Blizzard has no reason to change that and tell everyone not to use Keycraft or any similar software/file changing.
Now, D is a bit trickier. If they support it, they could publicly support it, which I doubt because they have nothing to gain, it's not a big issue, and they would make some enemies. And I doubt they would patch it in if they did support it. Not because of laziness, but because it wouldn't be good business. Now, Blizzard is a company known for putting players ahead of business plans, and that wouldn't have changed. Only a minority of players want to have customisable hotkeys, so they would not be betraying the players, just not listening to the voice of a small minority (and it is small, considering how *rough estimate* it is 50% at most, and then there is fastest and UMS players who don't care about this). But none of that is even considering the release of SC2. If memory serves me correctly, Blizzard got their lawyers on a mod for Generals that was basically 3D Starcraft so that no thunder was stolen from SC2. A big patch like this would steal thunder away from SC2, and why in the hell would they do that?
*NOTE, it's 1 AM, I'm not the clearest or writers, and English class was almost a year ago (semesters, baby!). Excuse me if I don't make sense.
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Mmmmmmmmmm...
Let's think about an another way : Soccer : They have their shoes changed every year to get better and better to shoot with. Tennis : The rope of those tennis racket are getting more and more flexible and better to use with. Basically all the sports have their own thing that they upgrade as time go on.
So i don't see why we wouldn't change our keyboard to make it better for us. It's all about being competitive. The game itself won't even be changed. It's just because it makes the player more confortable and so do the others competitive' sports.
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Keycraft should not be banned, war3 has a built in hotkey changing ability. All you have to do is type some crap in text document and place it in the folder. I made all my hotkeys for heroes Z X C (like dota) and even some buildings upgrades are in the same fashion of Q-R left to right and Q-Z Up to down.
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it took them like 4 patches to add replay. took them anther few patches to give click-rallying.
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KeyCraft is clearly an advantage, if only because it saves you having to hit 'p' when playing Protoss.
If KeyCraft is allowed, this forces everybody to use KeyCraft if they want to compete on equal terms.
Thus, either everybody should use KeyCraft or nobody should use KeyCraft. As long as the world's foremost leagues do not use KeyCraft, it will not become the norm.
Those of you who insist on KeyCrafting: Feel free, but get the fuck off of servers which have clearly prohibited it (iCCup). Start your own fucking servers.
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On January 04 2008 21:44 Zherak wrote: KeyCraft is clearly an advantage, if only because it saves you having to hit 'p' when playing Protoss.
If KeyCraft is allowed, this forces everybody to use KeyCraft if they want to compete on equal terms.
Thus, either everybody should use KeyCraft or nobody should use KeyCraft. As long as the world's foremost leagues do not use KeyCraft, it will not become the norm.
Those of you who insist on KeyCrafting: Feel free, but get the fuck off of servers which have clearly prohibited it (iCCup). Start your own fucking servers.
fucken fucking of fuck?
If KeyCraft is allowed, this forces everybody to use KeyCraft if they want to compete on equal terms. ---------> this is not entirely true. For instance, I support using KeyCraft, because it's a great tool, which (in my opinion) makes up an obvious lack, on the other hand I wouldn't use it, because I am used to use the default English shortcut system (with protoss).
Anyway "as long as the world's foremost leagues do not use KeyCraft" I don't really know if either you are a participant, organizator or referee in these leagues, but I am not really sure it's banned there.
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as far as im concerned. iccup did not forbid it. it wasn't in any of their written rules. a forum response is not a definate ban because the admin who answered it only answered for himself. he clearly didn't consult this with the rest of the admins otherwise it would've being in the rules.
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On January 04 2008 23:14 haduken wrote: as far as im concerned. iccup did not forbid it. it wasn't in any of their written rules. a forum response is not a definate ban because the admin who answered it only answered for himself. he clearly didn't consult this with the rest of the admins otherwise it would've being in the rules. The written rules say no third party programs besides their launcher.
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So how is a modified starcraft data file a 3rd party program?
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i came here to tell you that i'm really good at remembering all hotkeys of broodwar and tft for all races and spells and everything. i don't need this shit! man i'm so cool. also i don't have anything against it, for a man's inability to remember things shouldn't give them a disadvantage!
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On January 05 2008 00:02 Lisk wrote: So how is a modified starcraft data file a 3rd party program? Because Keycraft is a program that modifies Starcraft, but is made independently from Blizzard hence it is third party ?
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