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AssyrianKing
Australia2104 Posts
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eriksonis6
Latvia35 Posts
Random(), i have been in both USA and Russia, and i can say as native Russian speaker that Anti Europe and Anti US propaganda in Russia is much stronger than any other sides propaganda. You don't even understand how biased and one sided news in Russian TV are. I have been in usa for 48 days and didn't see that much anti Russian propaganda, of course there is a bit biased information sometimes but not even close to Russian TV. But i may be wrong coz i have seen usa TV only for 48 days this summer. I have been watching Russian TV for whole my life. | ||
Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On February 28 2015 21:11 eriksonis6 wrote: Random(), i have been in both USA and Russia, and i can say as native Russian speaker that Anti Europe and Anti US propaganda in Russia is much stronger than any other sides propaganda. You don't even understand how biased and one sided news in Russian TV are. I have been in usa for 48 days and didn't see that much anti Russian propaganda, of course there is a bit biased information sometimes but not even close to Russian TV. But i may be wrong coz i have seen usa TV only for 48 days this summer. I have been watching Russian TV for whole my life. I speak Russian too and although I have never lived in Russia, I know exactly what you mean about Russian TV. Russians suck at information wars, Russian TV storyline is like something straight from the Soviet times: "they're all bloody Nazis over there, they're killing people for speaking Russian, we must protect our brethren". No one in their right mind is going to take that seriously. Western media, however, are much more subtle and smart about that, they are most of the time reasonably objective, but a fact omitted here, a carefully picked headline there (like this one) and eventually the public opinion is still shifted towards this image of Russia as being crazy land-grabbing communist empire, which in my opinion is not exactly fair. | ||
Narw
Poland884 Posts
So it might be hard for you to understand but yeah, vast majority of Russians do believe that Ukraine is ruled by Nazi's, they do believe that whole West is trying to break Russia and some do even believe they live in democratic country and not totalitarian state that is moving closer and closer to North Korea style. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
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insitelol
845 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Second, I'm surprised the thread isn't closed yet. Usually this topic isn't tolerated on TL because the lack of information and sensitive topics lead to poor discussion. This isn't a call to close it at all, but I wouldn't get too attached to this thread... Third, a response to the quoted text: On February 28 2015 22:29 insitelol wrote: By no means its profitable for our current governement. They don't need the opposition gaining a new martyr. Putin has ~90% citizens support why would he even bother. I'm sure the polls measure something, but I don't think anyone knows what exactly. I wouldn't take them too seriously. | ||
Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 28 2015 21:33 Random() wrote: I speak Russian too and although I have never lived in Russia, I know exactly what you mean about Russian TV. Russians suck at information wars, Russian TV storyline is like something straight from the Soviet times: "they're all bloody Nazis over there, they're killing people for speaking Russian, we must protect our brethren". No one in their right mind is going to take that seriously. Western media, however, are much more subtle and smart about that, they are most of the time reasonably objective, but a fact omitted here, a carefully picked headline there (like this one) and eventually the public opinion is still shifted towards this image of Russia as being crazy land-grabbing communist empire, which in my opinion is not exactly fair. Dont think they are stupid around there, making propaganda that doesn't work. It does though, it's just targeted at the weaker-minded people than you are, and there is an abundance of those in Russia (and in other countries as well to be fair). | ||
BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On March 01 2015 00:17 BluzMan wrote: Propaganda always works, as long as there is little to no alternative. Being smart doesn't make that much of a difference, having access to information does. Only about 5-10% of russian people have access to foreign media and have the language skills to use that access, the rest are left either with TV or russian segment of the Internet which is, well, suffering. Majority of russians have access, it's just that majority of Russians both don't know English and prefer to trust state-owned media for whatever reason. | ||
eriksonis6
Latvia35 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On March 01 2015 00:17 BluzMan wrote: Propaganda always works, as long as there is little to no alternative. Being smart doesn't make that much of a difference, having access to information does. Only about 5-10% of russian people have access to foreign media and have the language skills to use that access, the rest are left either with TV or russian segment of the Internet which is, well, suffering. I think it is. There are different quality and intensity levels of propaganda. On one side there is smart and covert type, almost reliable; and there is the opposite - the brutal and emotional one. First one is for smarter people that need to be persuaded, the other is for simpler ones, who can't really be bothered with reasoning, but who react readily to strong emotional cues. Russian media use all types of propaganda, from one end to the other. TLers from Russia are probably more accustomed to the smart and covert type, while the non-Russians are more familiar with the brutal one, because that's what they are being shown to laugh at (or get scared from). | ||
Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On February 28 2015 20:15 Jockmcplop wrote: Its all gonna end in tears for Putin Was he a Putin critic? Was he shot? I think he/she doesn't deny that. The point is at emphasis. So if you have two headlines: "Russian opposition leader got shot" and "Putin critic got shot" Obviously the latter is more likely to make you dislike Putin. That said, Putin may only be overthrown from inside Russia. That's why he is so scared of protests and opposition. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Also, i agree with the fact that killing him isn't the best idea from the russian goverment perspective (and even if they did it, itwasn't the best idea). Killing the one who opose you can just make it easier for people to say "oh look, they are more tyranic than what we thought, lets get them out of the goverment". That has happened through all history on different contries, so killing your opposers isn't the wiset thing to do, but who knows really. RIP Boris Nemtsov | ||
Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On March 01 2015 01:34 [Phantom] wrote: Reading this thread makes me see that there really is a lot of anti russian propaganda in europe and the US xD. Putin maybe is bad, but hes in no way worse than the US or erupean goverments. Also, i agree with the fact that killing him isn't the best idea from the russian goverment perspective (and even if they did it, itwasn't the best idea). Killing the one who opose you can just make it easier for people to say "oh look, they are more tyranic than what we thought, lets get them out of the goverment". That has happened through all history on different contries, so killing your opposers isn't the wiset thing to do, but who knows really. RIP Boris Nemtsov Yeah sure he is in no way worse than european governements or the US... so I guess Obama will still be president in 10 years? | ||
Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On March 01 2015 01:34 [Phantom] wrote: Reading this thread makes me see that there really is a lot of anti russian propaganda in europe and the US xD. Putin maybe is bad, but hes in no way worse than the US or erupean goverments. Also, i agree with the fact that killing him isn't the best idea from the russian goverment perspective (and even if they did it, itwasn't the best idea). Killing the one who opose you can just make it easier for people to say "oh look, they are more tyranic than what we thought, lets get them out of the goverment". That has happened through all history on different contries, so killing your opposers isn't the wiset thing to do, but who knows really. RIP Boris Nemtsov How is he not worse when he attacks even his own "brother" nation, Ukraine? And don't compare that to nazis. We don't live in that era anymore. | ||
TwilightRain
Germany351 Posts
On March 01 2015 01:36 Jetaap wrote: Yeah sure he is in no way worse than european governements or the US... so I guess Obama will still be president in 10 years? You are not gonna achieve much with this kind of supposedly rhetoric question since it is really not common sense among Russian citizens that the ones who hold power should be regularly re-elected (I lack a better word here, since elections in Russia have really been a joke in the recent years). Stability by means of absence of change in general is valued way higher among the common folk in Russia than any value you might consider "common sense". | ||
zeo
Serbia6185 Posts
On March 01 2015 01:36 Jetaap wrote: Yeah sure he is in no way worse than european governements or the US... so I guess Obama will still be president in 10 years? Putin is now at 86% approval rating, Obama has like what? 20%? Nemtsov was a non-factor of a non-factor in modern Russian politics, and was lately way more involved in business than politics. Wait for the investigation to finish then point fingers people, hysterical CNN tier speculating helps nobody. Seeing as how he was energy minister in Russia during the Yeltsin regime there is a long list of shady people he was in contact with. | ||
Narw
Poland884 Posts
On March 01 2015 01:34 [Phantom] wrote: Reading this thread makes me see that there really is a lot of anti russian propaganda in europe and the US xD. Putin maybe is bad, but hes in no way worse than the US or erupean goverments. I can understand when someone who doesn't have to access to media or speaks only Russian can make a comment like that. But when i see someone who uses Internet and obviously speaks English writes such a turd i actually do lose faith in humanity. Yes buddy, that evil Merkel scheming just now how to annex parts of Austria, all those anti-Obama TV stations being shut down left and right. Use a fucking brain before you post, it doesn't hurt. And if you are clueless about something don't post about it. User was warned for this post | ||
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