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riotjune
United States3357 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On September 29 2017 05:11 Circumstance wrote: When these sorts of issues come up, every person says one group must undergo a change. Why on Earth should it ever be the victim that we push and declare to be in the wrong? They didn't create this problem. They didn't harm anybody else. They were just trying to do their job, or live their lives. By telling them that they are the ones who must change, we are saying that the bullies have impunity. We are saying that they have the power to say whatever they like, to harm whomever they like, and never get told to stop or change their behavior. In fact, quite the opposite. They are given the power to force anyone and everyone to either accept the abuse or run away. In effect, you're telling the person who sent Jaedong a death threat that he was right. Nobody is saying that. The people for the other side are saying that in an ideal world, it'd be great if we had no war and everyone could get along with everyone, however the costs of making that happen are too large and impractical. Same with trying to enforce people from not being assholes on the internet, not worth it. Having ideals is nice, because it gives you a direction for what to strive for, but there's usually multiple conflicting ones: -Personal liberty vs social responsibility (maximizing individual happiness vs collective happiness) -Current generation vs future generations (environment vs economy) Practically anything that could be changed that results in a win-win situation for everyone has already been done, and therefore most changes that occur are wins for some stakeholders and losses for the others. That's where cost-benefit analysis (CBA) comes in, and yes, this is a difficult situation to quantify, but it's possible. | ||
fluidrone
France1478 Posts
Every time you leave victims on their own to face their bullies, we all lose. There are no degrees to be reviewed on what is bullying, we all recognize it when we see it. And most of us run from it, but not everyone, not every time. Personally it took me 12 years or so to get it, i was until then oblivious to real life, very free and very happy and then i wasn't. Everyone loses his innocence one day, for some it takes decades others less. That you were not subjected to this eye opening stuff makes you lucky, not stronger. Fear can rule us, or we can choose to not let it make us what we will be, what we are. Arguing that internet was worse before? Arguing that it is a lost cause? Arguing that the victim should know better or become insensitive*? Then you are completely blind. *insensitive like you all profess to be, which is the root of the problem, it validates your own stance (to each his/ her own problems / look the other way / say it is hopeless etc) and makes it feel "normal". This world is not lost, it never was, it never will be. And internet is the real world too, not a pretend world like so many seem to think. Arguing that this world is lost is doing your part to destroy it, destroy all that many people fight / died to get to you. #you owe them to try ps: again, if you are being bullied, seek help to end this situation, not only will it not resolve the situation to run from it, it will make you a part of the problem. Seek help, no one should face bullies alone! | ||
Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On September 29 2017 03:31 SkrollK wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2017 14:54 ShambhalaWar wrote: On September 28 2017 09:51 evilfatsh1t wrote: no. like multiple people have pointed out, myself included, what "should" be done is different to what actually happens. its time for you to face reality it seems. im glad you brought up the culture issue in regards to how we try to get others to change their ways. i personally think with all the politically correctness, sense of entitlement, privilege and a whole load of other shit, society has gone soft. all the older generations talk shit about how younger generations, particularly millenials are pussies and theyre probably correct. hardly anyone i know who are considerably older took shit from anyone and they didnt expect anything from anybody. at some point we decided to say to the younger generations not to worry because the world is theirs and they could do and be whatever they wanted, which is an absolute load of crap. people need to stop living in fantasies and realise there are people out there that dont give a shit about others. this has turned into more of a rant thats only tangentially related to op, so ill say no more. I literally have no clue what you are talking about at this point, but at least we can agree on that. You are holding strong to your idea, some small distinction about Korean culture or how people are too big of a bunch of pussies. I completely disagree. In my mind (and in the mind of many other strong men), caring for someone else and showing compassion for someone, is a supreme act of strength. Saying people are too soft, is the same nonsense that suggests if a man cries he is less of a man. It's objectively not true. Nothing excuses a person from acting like an asshole or saying harmful shit to other people. It's the individual responsibility of everyone to understand how our actions impact the world around us and master our life. Otherwise that person is just a flailing unconscious robot acting out every impulse in disregard to how it affects him or the world around him. Not everyone will do that, but it doesn't change the reality that it's their responsibility and ultimately nobody can do it but them. I'm going to end this saying that I'm happy to disagree. Ok, imma try to explain what I do think evil wants to say. In France, we've got a saying, that says : "Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien." Which can roughly get translated like : "The best is the enemy of the good." You, kind sir, are basically saying that there should be no cyber bullying at that to achieve this end, one should adress the primary cause. You, kind sir, wants the BEST. He (evil), is basically saying that no one (like in one person or even group of individual), is able to actually prevent cyber-bulliers to cyber-bully. According to that hypothesis, if one wants to stop cyber-bullying, the only way to do so (since you can't stop cyber-bullier to cyber-bully) is to actually work on himself so that cyber-bully does not have any effect on him. He wants the "GOOD" (I put that into quote marks cause i'm not sure it's the good). Now, my point is that you actually need both of the ways to achieve the goal. Because, in this vast world, we humans are not the same. Meaning, that you all have different tolerancies to things. Some will be adament to external and unbased criticism. Some won't be. Guess what ?! Some that aren't could try to "harden their skin a bit more", so that criticism like the one Flash received does not get to them. However, even tho they hardened their skin, ones like the one Jaedong received MUST be punished. That's why a thoughest law enforcement on that point is also needed. Between two extremes, one should always choose the middle. (And, choosing the middle does NOT imply do nothing. It implies do things woth ways, a little of both.) This is about people taking responsibility for the impact they have on the world around them. Not just failing through life unconsciously, while not caring at all how it affects anyone. It's about living with enough skill and caring that you can shape life into something you wanted for you and others. Someone acting as a bully isn't living with any skill, they are acting out unconsciously. They don't understand how to shape the world, unless they do it through hurt. Let the person who has had something abusive said to them take the responsibility of working with their experience (cry, report it, be with the feelings inside, use drugs to cope). It is only them who can make the next step. What many people in this thread (so strangely) fail to mention... *Let the person who is speaking harmful abusive speech to another person take responsibility for working with the feelings inside (or lack of feelings, empathy), lack of awareness of the impact they are having on the world, or the lack of care of the impact they have on the world. More so than anything, we should be stressing this person address him/herself because they are causing harm. And they are at the largest deficit of skill for being able to manage the experience of being alive. | ||
Velr
Switzerland10417 Posts
Telling yourself that these people are losers is just adorable. Once you turn 25-30i plus much of this seems ridiculous. Many people are assholes, don't be an asshole. I life by that simple motto, sometimes i fail, sometimes i'm surprised about my own courage but i'm very sure not growing a thick skin because "you shouldn't have to" is a reciepe for disaster. You will meet assholes, obvious and backstabbing ones, learn to deal with them. | ||
Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
On September 28 2017 09:51 evilfatsh1t wrote: i personally think with all the politically correctness, sense of entitlement, privilege and a whole load of other shit, society has gone soft. all the older generations talk shit about how younger generations, particularly millenials are pussies and theyre probably correct. This same attitude is used to justify all the social ills and past atrocities done by humanity. | ||
DSh1
292 Posts
On September 30 2017 01:31 Lazare1969 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2017 09:51 evilfatsh1t wrote: i personally think with all the politically correctness, sense of entitlement, privilege and a whole load of other shit, society has gone soft. all the older generations talk shit about how younger generations, particularly millenials are pussies and theyre probably correct. This same attitude is used to justify all the social ills and past atrocities done by humanity. It is. What's your point? | ||
Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
On September 30 2017 01:46 DSh1 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 30 2017 01:31 Lazare1969 wrote: On September 28 2017 09:51 evilfatsh1t wrote: i personally think with all the politically correctness, sense of entitlement, privilege and a whole load of other shit, society has gone soft. all the older generations talk shit about how younger generations, particularly millenials are pussies and theyre probably correct. This same attitude is used to justify all the social ills and past atrocities done by humanity. It is. What's your point? Millennials should ignore out-of-touch old fogies who make sweeping generalizations of younger people like calling them entitled, privileged and "pussies." Whenever you hear someone saying "society has gone soft" there's a good chance you're listening to someone with post-traumatic stress disorder. Empathic ability impairment is one of the most common symptoms. + Show Spoiler + But there is another, competing and decidedly conservative sense that is common to veterans: that American society has gone soft and is filled with whiners, an entitlement culture lacking a sense of individual accountability. One veteran who served in Congress described his whining civilian colleagues as "a professional bed-wetting society." Indeed, it is hard to imagine a value structure more different from military life than the national political culture of blather and complaint. "The toughest part of leadership is telling people they have to do something that involves pain," says Eric Greitens, a former Navy SEAL who runs a program for badly wounded returning veterans called the Mission Continues. "We had to do that every day: 'At 0100 we're going to stage a raid. The enemy is heavily armed and waiting for us. I can't promise you we're going to accomplish this without casualties. But we need to take out this cell of snipers.' You just don't find many politicians willing to get people to do tough things." http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,2089337-3,00.html | ||
nanaoei
3358 Posts
at least the idea is you work on yourself and show them that you're not going to get pushed around any more, right? or, you're seldomly in the situation that it would happen to you anyway. i've seen this myself, but what about people who are disabled or have extreme difficulty fighting back, or getting help? unfortunately it doesn't change that the whole situation happened for some time before they were able to get help. people also need to find a safe place online whether they have disability or genuinely a hard time finding their place. they'll learn through initiation or in this exact moment is where education and outreach can help out--still factoring in that some people feel they cannot get help, or are too proud to do so. i know that some of you are laughing or looking down a bit on the social justice warrior/white knight painting something black and white--at least viewing yourself being much more productive in their shoes by doing it differently. i just want to say that social justice warrior is just another person, just like asshole #1/2. apparently GSP (mma) was on the receiving end of bullying. he's just another guy. what i would tell the general masses though is that asshole #1/2 and each bully has their own personalized circumstances for why they're treating people that way. it isn't even a good set of reasons sometimes. they also have sensitivities and sincere care/consideration for friends, family and people close to them. bullied #1/2 also have really trivial reasons why they don't just get help or smarten up. maybe they deserve to get bullied, some would think. your solution in the case or in the event of getting harassed or bullied around is not the same as someone else's. it's not black and white either. but both people could use help, especially in the case of the victim. it doesn't have to be much but for some people, a little goes a long way. | ||
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