On April 25 2018 07:42 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
His game knowledge is worse than Qikz ? yes we say it not problem.
His game knowledge is worse than Qikz ? yes we say it not problem.
Not trying to be rude but err....love you Qikz.
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Ty2
United States1431 Posts
On April 25 2018 07:42 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: His game knowledge is worse than Qikz ? yes we say it not problem. Not trying to be rude but err....love you Qikz. | ||
L_Master
United States7946 Posts
On April 26 2018 06:28 lemmata wrote: If I may make a modest proposal...why don’t we stop making caster threads. By the end of these threads I always end up in that weird corner of YouTube that I pretend doesn’t have anything to do with my interests. Yea, I tend to agree they don't serve a ton of purpose. If a caster wants feedback, he can always open up his own thread and ask for what needs to be done better. Moreover, it's just a topic that's been beaten to death. I think every single point in the thread has been made several times in prior threads at a minimum. In fairness, this started out as a caster praise thread, which should never be a problem. If you like what someone is doing, I think it's pretty reasonable to make a thread highlighting that. | ||
SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
On April 25 2018 22:12 2Pacalypse- wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2018 19:23 zerglingling wrote: On April 25 2018 07:10 2Pacalypse- wrote: Anyway, I think anyone [...] who interacts with people in general [...] should read this article. I think it's horse shit. You're free to do your own research and come up with an alternative theory to explain the empirical data you see. After you do that, make sure to submit your paper for publication so it can be peer-reviewed. I'm sure Dr. Seligman who did that already would be more than happy to give you his opinion on it. Heck, I would also be very interested in reading it. Overall, I feel like this would be useful for the people commenting in this thread to read too, but it's not fair to put even more responsibility on the casters to have to change our outlook so we can do a thing we love to do, without being openly shit on. People are confused why Rapid did the post about BigFan, I think it's because he was making a point that first off, these types of criticisms just feel generic enough you can put anyone's name in and at least someone will agree. Secondly, a lot of the feedback here is just... abrasive. Rapid, myself, and a number of casters... We do this shit because we like to cast. It's fun. Sometimes we get paid, most don't. I'm not saying don't share criticism, but at the same time, we can all work on making our interactions better. "Hey ____, I noticed last night you said ____ ____ _____ but from my experience, these signs ____, ____, ____ lend to normally this _____. Just curious if you wanted to get some insight!" as a PM vs "F$&K THIS CASTER DONT KNOW SH!T???? LOL" (not saying anyone here is directly doing that, but you get my drift). | ||
[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On April 27 2018 03:33 SchAmToo wrote: tbh, I think caster feedback threads are okay, I'd prefer if we did what SC2 side does which is just one big thread about it. Show nested quote + On April 25 2018 22:12 2Pacalypse- wrote: On April 25 2018 19:23 zerglingling wrote: On April 25 2018 07:10 2Pacalypse- wrote: Anyway, I think anyone [...] who interacts with people in general [...] should read this article. I think it's horse shit. You're free to do your own research and come up with an alternative theory to explain the empirical data you see. After you do that, make sure to submit your paper for publication so it can be peer-reviewed. I'm sure Dr. Seligman who did that already would be more than happy to give you his opinion on it. Heck, I would also be very interested in reading it. Overall, I feel like this would be useful for the people commenting in this thread to read too, but it's not fair to put even more responsibility on the casters to have to change our outlook so we can do a thing we love to do, without being openly shit on. People are confused why Rapid did the post about BigFan, I think it's because he was making a point that first off, these types of criticisms just feel generic enough you can put anyone's name in and at least someone will agree. Secondly, a lot of the feedback here is just... abrasive. Rapid, myself, and a number of casters... We do this shit because we like to cast. It's fun. Sometimes we get paid, most don't. I'm not saying don't share criticism, but at the same time, we can all work on making our interactions better. "Hey ____, I noticed last night you said ____ ____ _____ but from my experience, these signs ____, ____, ____ lend to normally this _____. Just curious if you wanted to get some insight!" as a PM vs "F$&K THIS CASTER DONT KNOW SH!T???? LOL" (not saying anyone here is directly doing that, but you get my drift). Nice try man, but a typical Twitch chat experience has nothing to do with these forums. You can't just assume everyone has an account here or is even actively participating in this community. I bet there would be countless people giving you exactly what you just asked for, a nice and maybe even polite PM on what - and most of the times rightfully so - they think your are missing, if you and other public personas in this community would not almost all of the time come off as arrogant and unwilling to give into criticism at all. If you want to address what is said during the broadcast on Twitch chat, I believe you either should engage there or bring in place tighter moderation, which I personally believe would be the only honest thing to do, since casters have tried to use their publicity to silence or mock users on these forums before and this thread also shows tendencies towards that. | ||
SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
On April 27 2018 06:59 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2018 03:33 SchAmToo wrote: tbh, I think caster feedback threads are okay, I'd prefer if we did what SC2 side does which is just one big thread about it. On April 25 2018 22:12 2Pacalypse- wrote: On April 25 2018 19:23 zerglingling wrote: On April 25 2018 07:10 2Pacalypse- wrote: Anyway, I think anyone [...] who interacts with people in general [...] should read this article. I think it's horse shit. You're free to do your own research and come up with an alternative theory to explain the empirical data you see. After you do that, make sure to submit your paper for publication so it can be peer-reviewed. I'm sure Dr. Seligman who did that already would be more than happy to give you his opinion on it. Heck, I would also be very interested in reading it. Overall, I feel like this would be useful for the people commenting in this thread to read too, but it's not fair to put even more responsibility on the casters to have to change our outlook so we can do a thing we love to do, without being openly shit on. People are confused why Rapid did the post about BigFan, I think it's because he was making a point that first off, these types of criticisms just feel generic enough you can put anyone's name in and at least someone will agree. Secondly, a lot of the feedback here is just... abrasive. Rapid, myself, and a number of casters... We do this shit because we like to cast. It's fun. Sometimes we get paid, most don't. I'm not saying don't share criticism, but at the same time, we can all work on making our interactions better. "Hey ____, I noticed last night you said ____ ____ _____ but from my experience, these signs ____, ____, ____ lend to normally this _____. Just curious if you wanted to get some insight!" as a PM vs "F$&K THIS CASTER DONT KNOW SH!T???? LOL" (not saying anyone here is directly doing that, but you get my drift). Nice try man, but a typical Twitch chat experience has nothing to do with these forums. You can't just assume everyone has an account here or is even actively participating in this community. I bet there would be countless people giving you exactly what you just asked for, a nice and maybe even polite PM on what - and most of the times rightfully so - they think your are missing, if you and other public personas in this community would not almost all of the time come off as arrogant and unwilling to give into criticism at all. If you want to address what is said during the broadcast on Twitch chat, I believe you either should engage there or bring in place tighter moderation, which I personally believe would be the only honest thing to do, since casters have tried to use their publicity to silence or mock users on these forums before and this thread also shows tendencies towards that. I'm confused where you thought I was talking about just Twitch chat... or that I was even thinking about Twitch chat. It's not just there, it's here, it's everywhere. | ||
L_Master
United States7946 Posts
On April 27 2018 07:11 SchAmToo wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2018 06:59 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: On April 27 2018 03:33 SchAmToo wrote: tbh, I think caster feedback threads are okay, I'd prefer if we did what SC2 side does which is just one big thread about it. On April 25 2018 22:12 2Pacalypse- wrote: On April 25 2018 19:23 zerglingling wrote: On April 25 2018 07:10 2Pacalypse- wrote: Anyway, I think anyone [...] who interacts with people in general [...] should read this article. I think it's horse shit. You're free to do your own research and come up with an alternative theory to explain the empirical data you see. After you do that, make sure to submit your paper for publication so it can be peer-reviewed. I'm sure Dr. Seligman who did that already would be more than happy to give you his opinion on it. Heck, I would also be very interested in reading it. Overall, I feel like this would be useful for the people commenting in this thread to read too, but it's not fair to put even more responsibility on the casters to have to change our outlook so we can do a thing we love to do, without being openly shit on. People are confused why Rapid did the post about BigFan, I think it's because he was making a point that first off, these types of criticisms just feel generic enough you can put anyone's name in and at least someone will agree. Secondly, a lot of the feedback here is just... abrasive. Rapid, myself, and a number of casters... We do this shit because we like to cast. It's fun. Sometimes we get paid, most don't. I'm not saying don't share criticism, but at the same time, we can all work on making our interactions better. "Hey ____, I noticed last night you said ____ ____ _____ but from my experience, these signs ____, ____, ____ lend to normally this _____. Just curious if you wanted to get some insight!" as a PM vs "F$&K THIS CASTER DONT KNOW SH!T???? LOL" (not saying anyone here is directly doing that, but you get my drift). Nice try man, but a typical Twitch chat experience has nothing to do with these forums. You can't just assume everyone has an account here or is even actively participating in this community. I bet there would be countless people giving you exactly what you just asked for, a nice and maybe even polite PM on what - and most of the times rightfully so - they think your are missing, if you and other public personas in this community would not almost all of the time come off as arrogant and unwilling to give into criticism at all. If you want to address what is said during the broadcast on Twitch chat, I believe you either should engage there or bring in place tighter moderation, which I personally believe would be the only honest thing to do, since casters have tried to use their publicity to silence or mock users on these forums before and this thread also shows tendencies towards that. I'm confused where you thought I was talking about just Twitch chat... or that I was even thinking about Twitch chat. It's not just there, it's here, it's everywhere. Yea...same. I'm not really sure where this guy was coming from. Pretty random post. I don't get much of an arrogant vibe from many casters either. Something clearly rubs MethodMan the wrong way with most of the casters, but I don't see it. | ||
Waxangel
United States32511 Posts
On April 27 2018 03:33 SchAmToo wrote: tbh, I think caster feedback threads are okay, I'd prefer if we did what SC2 side does which is just one big thread about it. Show nested quote + On April 25 2018 22:12 2Pacalypse- wrote: On April 25 2018 19:23 zerglingling wrote: On April 25 2018 07:10 2Pacalypse- wrote: Anyway, I think anyone [...] who interacts with people in general [...] should read this article. I think it's horse shit. You're free to do your own research and come up with an alternative theory to explain the empirical data you see. After you do that, make sure to submit your paper for publication so it can be peer-reviewed. I'm sure Dr. Seligman who did that already would be more than happy to give you his opinion on it. Heck, I would also be very interested in reading it. Overall, I feel like this would be useful for the people commenting in this thread to read too, but it's not fair to put even more responsibility on the casters to have to change our outlook so we can do a thing we love to do, without being openly shit on. People are confused why Rapid did the post about BigFan, I think it's because he was making a point that first off, these types of criticisms just feel generic enough you can put anyone's name in and at least someone will agree. Secondly, a lot of the feedback here is just... abrasive. Rapid, myself, and a number of casters... We do this shit because we like to cast. It's fun. Sometimes we get paid, most don't. I'm not saying don't share criticism, but at the same time, we can all work on making our interactions better. "Hey ____, I noticed last night you said ____ ____ _____ but from my experience, these signs ____, ____, ____ lend to normally this _____. Just curious if you wanted to get some insight!" as a PM vs "F$&K THIS CASTER DONT KNOW SH!T???? LOL" (not saying anyone here is directly doing that, but you get my drift). While I think some internet posters can be annoying about their criticism, I also feel that casters are also oversensitive and are reluctant to engage or listen to anyone who isn't obnoxiously deferential. Part of taking in feedback effectively is listening to things you don't want to hear, AT FACE VALUE. You can say "fuck that guy" and still concede they have a valid point. At least from how some casters conduct themselves publicly, you get the feeling they never get to the latter part. I occasionally wonder why this is. Maybe being criticized publicly touches a common nerve that most people don't realize they have in them; that a lot of posters would react the same way to criticism if they had to put themselves out there, simply because that's how the human brain is wired. I also wonder if it's something caster-specific—that if one is of the personality type to think 'I will put my personality out there for public consumption, and I think people will enjoy it', it necessitates an ego that's going to be more easily hurt. tl;dr: I don't think any of the criticism here was given in an objectionable tone (I would have moderated on it otherwise); I think rapid's response to bigfan was silly and not ideal, but only to the extent that having cake for breakfast is "not ideal"; and finally 2pac made a big deal about rapid's silly joke that was worse than the joke itself (at the end of the day, it just amounted to two dudes sticking their tongues out at each other, so I hope no one took it more seriously than that) | ||
SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
On April 27 2018 19:51 Waxangel wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2018 03:33 SchAmToo wrote: tbh, I think caster feedback threads are okay, I'd prefer if we did what SC2 side does which is just one big thread about it. On April 25 2018 22:12 2Pacalypse- wrote: On April 25 2018 19:23 zerglingling wrote: On April 25 2018 07:10 2Pacalypse- wrote: Anyway, I think anyone [...] who interacts with people in general [...] should read this article. I think it's horse shit. You're free to do your own research and come up with an alternative theory to explain the empirical data you see. After you do that, make sure to submit your paper for publication so it can be peer-reviewed. I'm sure Dr. Seligman who did that already would be more than happy to give you his opinion on it. Heck, I would also be very interested in reading it. Overall, I feel like this would be useful for the people commenting in this thread to read too, but it's not fair to put even more responsibility on the casters to have to change our outlook so we can do a thing we love to do, without being openly shit on. People are confused why Rapid did the post about BigFan, I think it's because he was making a point that first off, these types of criticisms just feel generic enough you can put anyone's name in and at least someone will agree. Secondly, a lot of the feedback here is just... abrasive. Rapid, myself, and a number of casters... We do this shit because we like to cast. It's fun. Sometimes we get paid, most don't. I'm not saying don't share criticism, but at the same time, we can all work on making our interactions better. "Hey ____, I noticed last night you said ____ ____ _____ but from my experience, these signs ____, ____, ____ lend to normally this _____. Just curious if you wanted to get some insight!" as a PM vs "F$&K THIS CASTER DONT KNOW SH!T???? LOL" (not saying anyone here is directly doing that, but you get my drift). While I think some internet posters can be annoying about their criticism, I also feel that casters are also oversensitive and are reluctant to engage or listen to anyone who isn't obnoxiously deferential. Part of taking in feedback effectively is listening to things you don't want to hear, AT FACE VALUE. You can say "fuck that guy" and still concede they have a valid point. At least from how some casters conduct themselves publicly, you get the feeling they never get to the latter part. I occasionally wonder why this is. Maybe being criticized publicly touches a common nerve that most people don't realize they have in them; that a lot of posters would react the same way to criticism if they had to put themselves out there, simply because that's how the human brain is wired. I also wonder if it's something caster-specific—that if one is of the personality type to think 'I will put my personality out there for public consumption, and I think people will enjoy it', it necessitates an ego that's going to be more easily hurt. tl;dr: I don't think any of the criticism here was given in an objectionable tone (I would have moderated on it otherwise); I think rapid's response to bigfan was silly and not ideal, but only to the extent that having cake for breakfast is "not ideal"; and finally 2pac made a big deal about rapid's silly joke that was worse than the joke itself (at the end of the day, it just amounted to two dudes sticking their tongues out at each other, so I hope no one took it more seriously than that) Very true. I try to be as willing as I can to take feedback on my casting in a way that allows me to say "fuck that person" but also "but they also have a point." I think it's like the only thing in my life I handle in a decent manner, hilariously enough. To be fair, I generally don't have much criticism with my casting style that is overtly in my face anymore. I normally get defensive for other casters who are getting feedback they clearly don't enjoy/want. As for why casters can get touchy, I believe it's largely because while playing, or doing most things, it's not directly who you are as the thing people dislike. I find with casting, a lot of feedback is "they're not funny." "I just don't like them" and even the very prominent here, "They just don't know anything" is very hard to separate from personal attacks. Not being funny, not knowing what you should know because they threw themselves into the public spot to show they have that lack of knowledge no one else had the guts to do... It hurts to be open, and get blasted for it. We aim to be the same person on/off camera in a lot of ways, but doing so opens our direct personality to criticism. That begs a caster to ask themselves "why do people like/not-like me" which is a hard inward reflection. Maybe just me? | ||
Radivel-X17
Canada144 Posts
I think the people need to understand how much effort the casters put into not only the casting but everything around it before they throw stones. If you don't like this free service that someone is going to do out of their own time because they enjoy it, then you're always welcome to go someplace else instead of be insulting. After all, it isn't hurting you any. | ||
SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
On April 28 2018 03:51 Radivel-X17 wrote: I feel that people seem to forget that if you're a guy on Twitch casting a game, odds are you've got more to handle than just the game. Schamtoo has to run a tournament or help run it at the same time he's trying to talk about the games. Qikz' plan was to reduce that overhead as much as possible by making easily customizable overlays and make scheduling as easy as possible, which while a great idea, isn't always possible in an on-the-fly live tournament. I think the people need to understand how much effort the casters put into not only the casting but everything around it before they throw stones. If you don't like this free service that someone is going to do out of their own time because they enjoy it, then you're always welcome to go someplace else instead of be insulting. After all, it isn't hurting you any. Tho at the same time it's really easy for casters to get into the "You should be grateful im doing this for you" mode. I have, many times. That's where some others get hurt. I normally just check myself and say "no one has to like my content" | ||
[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On April 27 2018 07:11 SchAmToo wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2018 06:59 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: On April 27 2018 03:33 SchAmToo wrote: tbh, I think caster feedback threads are okay, I'd prefer if we did what SC2 side does which is just one big thread about it. On April 25 2018 22:12 2Pacalypse- wrote: On April 25 2018 19:23 zerglingling wrote: On April 25 2018 07:10 2Pacalypse- wrote: Anyway, I think anyone [...] who interacts with people in general [...] should read this article. I think it's horse shit. You're free to do your own research and come up with an alternative theory to explain the empirical data you see. After you do that, make sure to submit your paper for publication so it can be peer-reviewed. I'm sure Dr. Seligman who did that already would be more than happy to give you his opinion on it. Heck, I would also be very interested in reading it. Overall, I feel like this would be useful for the people commenting in this thread to read too, but it's not fair to put even more responsibility on the casters to have to change our outlook so we can do a thing we love to do, without being openly shit on. People are confused why Rapid did the post about BigFan, I think it's because he was making a point that first off, these types of criticisms just feel generic enough you can put anyone's name in and at least someone will agree. Secondly, a lot of the feedback here is just... abrasive. Rapid, myself, and a number of casters... We do this shit because we like to cast. It's fun. Sometimes we get paid, most don't. I'm not saying don't share criticism, but at the same time, we can all work on making our interactions better. "Hey ____, I noticed last night you said ____ ____ _____ but from my experience, these signs ____, ____, ____ lend to normally this _____. Just curious if you wanted to get some insight!" as a PM vs "F$&K THIS CASTER DONT KNOW SH!T???? LOL" (not saying anyone here is directly doing that, but you get my drift). Nice try man, but a typical Twitch chat experience has nothing to do with these forums. You can't just assume everyone has an account here or is even actively participating in this community. I bet there would be countless people giving you exactly what you just asked for, a nice and maybe even polite PM on what - and most of the times rightfully so - they think your are missing, if you and other public personas in this community would not almost all of the time come off as arrogant and unwilling to give into criticism at all. If you want to address what is said during the broadcast on Twitch chat, I believe you either should engage there or bring in place tighter moderation, which I personally believe would be the only honest thing to do, since casters have tried to use their publicity to silence or mock users on these forums before and this thread also shows tendencies towards that. I'm confused where you thought I was talking about just Twitch chat... or that I was even thinking about Twitch chat. It's not just there, it's here, it's everywhere. "F$&K THIS CASTER DONT KNOW SH!T???? LOL" reads like you meant Twitch chat. But sure, you didn't. Everyone knows you can get away with posting like that on TL. Incontrol experiences it everyday, the poor soul. You just go on and act confused. Have a nice day. On April 27 2018 07:25 L_Master wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2018 07:11 SchAmToo wrote: On April 27 2018 06:59 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: On April 27 2018 03:33 SchAmToo wrote: tbh, I think caster feedback threads are okay, I'd prefer if we did what SC2 side does which is just one big thread about it. On April 25 2018 22:12 2Pacalypse- wrote: On April 25 2018 19:23 zerglingling wrote: On April 25 2018 07:10 2Pacalypse- wrote: Anyway, I think anyone [...] who interacts with people in general [...] should read this article. I think it's horse shit. You're free to do your own research and come up with an alternative theory to explain the empirical data you see. After you do that, make sure to submit your paper for publication so it can be peer-reviewed. I'm sure Dr. Seligman who did that already would be more than happy to give you his opinion on it. Heck, I would also be very interested in reading it. Overall, I feel like this would be useful for the people commenting in this thread to read too, but it's not fair to put even more responsibility on the casters to have to change our outlook so we can do a thing we love to do, without being openly shit on. People are confused why Rapid did the post about BigFan, I think it's because he was making a point that first off, these types of criticisms just feel generic enough you can put anyone's name in and at least someone will agree. Secondly, a lot of the feedback here is just... abrasive. Rapid, myself, and a number of casters... We do this shit because we like to cast. It's fun. Sometimes we get paid, most don't. I'm not saying don't share criticism, but at the same time, we can all work on making our interactions better. "Hey ____, I noticed last night you said ____ ____ _____ but from my experience, these signs ____, ____, ____ lend to normally this _____. Just curious if you wanted to get some insight!" as a PM vs "F$&K THIS CASTER DONT KNOW SH!T???? LOL" (not saying anyone here is directly doing that, but you get my drift). Nice try man, but a typical Twitch chat experience has nothing to do with these forums. You can't just assume everyone has an account here or is even actively participating in this community. I bet there would be countless people giving you exactly what you just asked for, a nice and maybe even polite PM on what - and most of the times rightfully so - they think your are missing, if you and other public personas in this community would not almost all of the time come off as arrogant and unwilling to give into criticism at all. If you want to address what is said during the broadcast on Twitch chat, I believe you either should engage there or bring in place tighter moderation, which I personally believe would be the only honest thing to do, since casters have tried to use their publicity to silence or mock users on these forums before and this thread also shows tendencies towards that. I'm confused where you thought I was talking about just Twitch chat... or that I was even thinking about Twitch chat. It's not just there, it's here, it's everywhere. Yea...same. I'm not really sure where this guy was coming from. Pretty random post. I don't get much of an arrogant vibe from many casters either. Something clearly rubs MethodMan the wrong way with most of the casters, but I don't see it. It's the incessant whining you can see on these forums everytime someone tries to criticize casters. If they don't like it, they should ignore it. If they can't ignore it, maybe they should do something about it. If they can't do that, they might as well do something else, especially if the community is so horrible towards casters?! How can you not get my post or call it random? It's all about how they act on these forums, where it's always whining, attention-seeking and attempts at using their stand in the community to silence criticism. Incontrol is doing this all the time and the only reason I see the lesser known guys do it to a lesser extent than him is exactly that, lesser status. So, while Mr. Entitled himself rages freely and with impunity, this guy comes up with rules for me I'd have to abide by to voice my criticism, because otherwise (reading between the lines, you know) I could make my comments on Twitch chat, where they would be lost forever and also under his authority to censor or just delete it. Yeah, no. So people come here, voice their opinion but they don't get an answer, at least not at first. It apparently takes a quota of fanboys in a thread, reassuring the people in question, before they even give into answering critique. Before that you will get ignored or silenced. My experience on this forum, quite a few others as well apparently. I even got PMs by people siding with me in the thread about the "Larva incident", people who apparently were too intimidated by big boi inc to post their own opinions. How fucking absurd is that? | ||
zerglingling
131 Posts
On April 25 2018 22:12 2Pacalypse- wrote: You're free to do your own research and come up with an alternative theory to explain the empirical data you see. If the data is junk, my study of it would be just as worthless. I'd rather do a study on mob mentality or such, but I'm not really fond of the relevant field to begin with. Snake oil salesmen of today call themselves doctors, and say they're doing research based on data. It doesn't make what they do any closer to science, but it sure does fool you and then some. What makes science is reproducible results, not getting published in some dodgy journal, and you'd be amazed by the crap that those let through nowadays. The rigour of some of those journals can be likened to a fast expand simcity consisting of a single pylon. And if it's social sciences we're talking about, the fast expand doesn't even have a nexus, it's just five probes proxy mining the natural. More than enough has been said about the cult of positivity, so I'll let you look up that exact phrase rather than waste my wrists laying it out, lest I share JD's fate. And if you really are allergic to anything that doesn't begin with "Abstract" and doesn't live under some unreadable URL at some journal's site, this may interest you. http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.html Or maybe only an example will convince you. Maybe you have to try doing something big before an audience, take enough rotten eggs to your face before you realize what annoying little monkeys people can be, how worthless their opinions are on average, what they're capable of when they smell blood, and how being nice to them is just a green light for more ridiculous demands. I don't think Rapid should lose any sleep over that post, and I hope he doesn't. It was a much better move than getting into an unwinnable, one sided discussion. | ||
AntiHack
Switzerland552 Posts
In the old days I used to enjoy the Korean casting even if I didn't understood a single word (aside "plaguu" tho) because of their energy and screams during wow-moments so I can easily prefer a caster that is a little bit rustier on sc1 mechanics but that gives to sc1 casting the energy that is required to introduce fresh players and fans to the game. To quote Youtube comments: "Love Tastosis, but it seems like they spend a bit more time talking about what they think might happen instead of what's happening. Gotta balance colour commentary with play by play." "yeah sometimes I wish they lived more in the moment" | ||
L_Master
United States7946 Posts
On May 03 2018 21:46 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: It's the incessant whining you can see on these forums everytime someone tries to criticize casters. If they don't like it, they should ignore it. If they can't ignore it, maybe they should do something about it. If they can't do that, they might as well do something else, especially if the community is so horrible towards casters?! How can you not get my post or call it random? It's all about how they act on these forums, where it's always whining, attention-seeking and attempts at using their stand in the community to silence criticism. Incontrol is doing this all the time and the only reason I see the lesser known guys do it to a lesser extent than him is exactly that, lesser status. So, while Mr. Entitled himself rages freely and with impunity, this guy comes up with rules for me I'd have to abide by to voice my criticism, because otherwise (reading between the lines, you know) I could make my comments on Twitch chat, where they would be lost forever and also under his authority to censor or just delete it. Yeah, no. So people come here, voice their opinion but they don't get an answer, at least not at first. It apparently takes a quota of fanboys in a thread, reassuring the people in question, before they even give into answering critique. Before that you will get ignored or silenced. My experience on this forum, quite a few others as well apparently. I even got PMs by people siding with me in the thread about the "Larva incident", people who apparently were too intimidated by big boi inc to post their own opinions. How fucking absurd is that? Inc is bad when it comes to criticism. He strikes me as the major exception to the rule. Rapid had a bit of an over reaction to Qikz on this thread, but has overall been fine, and I recall him openly soliciting feedback. Schamtoo has been fine (and he got wayyy more underserved shit than neccessary with regards to his tours). I openly welcome all feedback. Qikz I've never seen have issues with criticsm. Sayle didn't have problems. Etc. It feels to me like you're letting your experience with Inc effect the perception of all casters. It's possible I've missed some threads or comments over the past year or so, but I just haven't gotten that vibe you speak of except with a select few. | ||
L_Master
United States7946 Posts
On May 04 2018 02:43 zerglingling wrote: Or maybe only an example will convince you. Maybe you have to try doing something big before an audience, take enough rotten eggs to your face before you realize what annoying little monkeys people can be, how worthless their opinions are on average, what they're capable of when they smell blood, and how being nice to them is just a green light for more ridiculous demands. Hmm, I was doing the same thing before in this exact space 4-6 years ago (well, close, casting the biggest foreign BW tournaments of the time). I've have done other things in my life in front of sizable audiences before. I have never had the problems of which you speak. I don't find people to be annoying. Anyone with feedback is appreciated and welcome. Those that are ridiculously negative I try to consider if they have a grain of truth running through their comments or something I can learn from. If I can't and I think they are just being assholes, I ignore them. I don't find that annoying. If anything it's more amusing than it is annoying. It's not hard to find out where the overall pulse is. If the general tone was that of people not wanting me casting, or weren't fond of the content I simply wouldn't cast, so in my view they are capable of nothing if they "smell blood". Perhaps if I was in a situation where my livelihood was depending on it, such a running a small startup and needing good public opinion about my product to generate awareness and sales I would be more concerned. But probably not a lot. At the end of the day if you have a good product, people aren't going to go after you for no reason; and while you might get detractors, if what your product is solid you're also going to have a plenty of people saying "we like what you are doing or making, don't stop, this product could be, or is, amazing". | ||
[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On May 04 2018 08:31 L_Master wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2018 21:46 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: It's the incessant whining you can see on these forums everytime someone tries to criticize casters. If they don't like it, they should ignore it. If they can't ignore it, maybe they should do something about it. If they can't do that, they might as well do something else, especially if the community is so horrible towards casters?! How can you not get my post or call it random? It's all about how they act on these forums, where it's always whining, attention-seeking and attempts at using their stand in the community to silence criticism. Incontrol is doing this all the time and the only reason I see the lesser known guys do it to a lesser extent than him is exactly that, lesser status. So, while Mr. Entitled himself rages freely and with impunity, this guy comes up with rules for me I'd have to abide by to voice my criticism, because otherwise (reading between the lines, you know) I could make my comments on Twitch chat, where they would be lost forever and also under his authority to censor or just delete it. Yeah, no. So people come here, voice their opinion but they don't get an answer, at least not at first. It apparently takes a quota of fanboys in a thread, reassuring the people in question, before they even give into answering critique. Before that you will get ignored or silenced. My experience on this forum, quite a few others as well apparently. I even got PMs by people siding with me in the thread about the "Larva incident", people who apparently were too intimidated by big boi inc to post their own opinions. How fucking absurd is that? Inc is bad when it comes to criticism. He strikes me as the major exception to the rule. Rapid had a bit of an over reaction to Qikz on this thread, but has overall been fine, and I recall him openly soliciting feedback. Schamtoo has been fine (and he got wayyy more underserved shit than neccessary with regards to his tours). I openly welcome all feedback. Qikz I've never seen have issues with criticsm. Sayle didn't have problems. Etc. It feels to me like you're letting your experience with Inc effect the perception of all casters. It's possible I've missed some threads or comments over the past year or so, but I just haven't gotten that vibe you speak of except with a select few. You are right with your observation and I'll retreat from this thread. | ||
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