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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 13 2009 22:42 Nylan wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2009 20:04 o[twist] wrote: + Show Spoiler + hard to justify keeping jaedong on top unless he really trounces fantasy now. going to be a weird PR - fantasy, calm, iris, yarnc? + Show Spoiler + I would say more than hard. + Show Spoiler + Your opinion doesn't matter | ||
o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On August 13 2009 23:28 AzureEye wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2009 20:09 integral wrote: MSL semifinal spoiler + Show Spoiler + After his 3-1 win over Jaedong, Calm now has a higher win percentage in 2009 than Jaedong does. Calm is 44-19 (69.84%) compared to 86-40 (68.25%) + Show Spoiler + It's always easier to get a higher winning percentage when the total number of games you've played is signficantly less. For example, Calm has 44-19 (69.84%) but a new player who has just played 4 games that managed to win 3 of them can have (75%) much higher than what Calm has. So if Calm plays as many games as JD, his percentage will even out it's not just the number of games, it's also the strength of the players. a lot of calm's wins are against like IsaC and M18M in qualifiers and stuff | ||
Nylan
United States795 Posts
On August 13 2009 23:29 AzureEye wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2009 22:42 Nylan wrote: On August 13 2009 20:04 o[twist] wrote: + Show Spoiler + hard to justify keeping jaedong on top unless he really trounces fantasy now. going to be a weird PR - fantasy, calm, iris, yarnc? + Show Spoiler + I would say more than hard. + Show Spoiler + Your opinion doesn't matter + Show Spoiler + Neither does yours, troll. JD is falling fast, he's gotta do more than just trounce Fantasy at this point, objectively speaking. Provide some useful input or shut up. | ||
geod
Vietnam448 Posts
On August 13 2009 23:33 o[twist] wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2009 23:28 AzureEye wrote: On August 13 2009 20:09 integral wrote: MSL semifinal spoiler + Show Spoiler + After his 3-1 win over Jaedong, Calm now has a higher win percentage in 2009 than Jaedong does. Calm is 44-19 (69.84%) compared to 86-40 (68.25%) + Show Spoiler + It's always easier to get a higher winning percentage when the total number of games you've played is signficantly less. For example, Calm has 44-19 (69.84%) but a new player who has just played 4 games that managed to win 3 of them can have (75%) much higher than what Calm has. So if Calm plays as many games as JD, his percentage will even out it's not just the number of games, it's also the strength of the players. a lot of calm's wins are against like IsaC and M18M in qualifiers and stuff He raped Effort and Jeadong in Bo5 man While Jeadong has to face strong opponent such as Orion and Hyuk right? | ||
AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 13 2009 23:43 Nylan wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2009 23:29 AzureEye wrote: On August 13 2009 22:42 Nylan wrote: On August 13 2009 20:04 o[twist] wrote: + Show Spoiler + hard to justify keeping jaedong on top unless he really trounces fantasy now. going to be a weird PR - fantasy, calm, iris, yarnc? + Show Spoiler + I would say more than hard. + Show Spoiler + Your opinion doesn't matter + Show Spoiler + Neither does yours, troll. JD is falling fast, he's gotta do more than just trounce Fantasy at this point, objectively speaking. Provide some useful input or shut up. Please refrain from raging in a PR thread. Whatever "reasoning" you give or not, you won't impact the next PR because you won't be making it. Truth hurts | ||
Nylan
United States795 Posts
On August 14 2009 00:08 AzureEye wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2009 23:43 Nylan wrote: On August 13 2009 23:29 AzureEye wrote: On August 13 2009 22:42 Nylan wrote: On August 13 2009 20:04 o[twist] wrote: + Show Spoiler + hard to justify keeping jaedong on top unless he really trounces fantasy now. going to be a weird PR - fantasy, calm, iris, yarnc? + Show Spoiler + I would say more than hard. + Show Spoiler + Your opinion doesn't matter + Show Spoiler + Neither does yours, troll. JD is falling fast, he's gotta do more than just trounce Fantasy at this point, objectively speaking. Provide some useful input or shut up. Please refrain from raging in a PR thread. Whatever "reasoning" you give or not, you won't impact the next PR because you won't be making it. Truth hurts Yeah, that was my exact thought. | ||
AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 13 2009 23:49 geod wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2009 23:33 o[twist] wrote: On August 13 2009 23:28 AzureEye wrote: On August 13 2009 20:09 integral wrote: MSL semifinal spoiler + Show Spoiler + After his 3-1 win over Jaedong, Calm now has a higher win percentage in 2009 than Jaedong does. Calm is 44-19 (69.84%) compared to 86-40 (68.25%) + Show Spoiler + It's always easier to get a higher winning percentage when the total number of games you've played is signficantly less. For example, Calm has 44-19 (69.84%) but a new player who has just played 4 games that managed to win 3 of them can have (75%) much higher than what Calm has. So if Calm plays as many games as JD, his percentage will even out it's not just the number of games, it's also the strength of the players. a lot of calm's wins are against like IsaC and M18M in qualifiers and stuff He raped Effort and Jeadong in Bo5 man While Jeadong has to face strong opponent such as Orion and Hyuk right? Your reasoning doesn't work because JD lost to Orion and Hyuk. The guy you quoted was talking about how much better quality opponents were counted in JD's wins over Calm's wins | ||
o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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Origami
United States266 Posts
On August 14 2009 00:28 o[twist] wrote: all i meant was through 2009. the person said calm has a better win percentage than JD in 2009. calm is now 6-1 in these two series against effort and jaedong and it's really incredible, no question. but jd has also played 8 games against fantasy in 2009 (calm: 1), 7 against bisu (calm: 1), 7 against effort (calm: 3), 6 against canata (calm: 1), 4 against yarnc (calm: 1), 4 against skyhigh (calm: 1), 3 against kal (calm: 0), 3 against leta (calm: 1), and 3 against luxury (calm: 1). calm has a lot of qualifier series against like han, young, IsaC, M18M, go.go, hungry, etc. by comparison. just something to consider when you're looking at win percentage. TLPD win/loss counts ignore games from preliminary offlines and such. It doesn't even count the GSL I think. | ||
fanatacist
10319 Posts
Holy fuck Calm is above Jaedong in ELO now. The passing of the crown? I don't think anyone saw this happening to Jaedong (not being #1 Zerg) for a year or so at least. | ||
fanatacist
10319 Posts
On August 14 2009 00:10 Nylan wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2009 00:08 AzureEye wrote: On August 13 2009 23:43 Nylan wrote: On August 13 2009 23:29 AzureEye wrote: On August 13 2009 22:42 Nylan wrote: On August 13 2009 20:04 o[twist] wrote: + Show Spoiler + hard to justify keeping jaedong on top unless he really trounces fantasy now. going to be a weird PR - fantasy, calm, iris, yarnc? + Show Spoiler + I would say more than hard. + Show Spoiler + Your opinion doesn't matter + Show Spoiler + Neither does yours, troll. JD is falling fast, he's gotta do more than just trounce Fantasy at this point, objectively speaking. Provide some useful input or shut up. Please refrain from raging in a PR thread. Whatever "reasoning" you give or not, you won't impact the next PR because you won't be making it. Truth hurts Yeah, that was my exact thought. Just ignore AzureEye, he pertains to that group of people that always posts in PR but only does so because he likes pissing people off. | ||
eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On August 14 2009 01:01 Origami wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2009 00:28 o[twist] wrote: all i meant was through 2009. the person said calm has a better win percentage than JD in 2009. calm is now 6-1 in these two series against effort and jaedong and it's really incredible, no question. but jd has also played 8 games against fantasy in 2009 (calm: 1), 7 against bisu (calm: 1), 7 against effort (calm: 3), 6 against canata (calm: 1), 4 against yarnc (calm: 1), 4 against skyhigh (calm: 1), 3 against kal (calm: 0), 3 against leta (calm: 1), and 3 against luxury (calm: 1). calm has a lot of qualifier series against like han, young, IsaC, M18M, go.go, hungry, etc. by comparison. just something to consider when you're looking at win percentage. TLPD win/loss counts ignore games from preliminary offlines and such. It doesn't even count the GSL I think. TLPD does not count offline quals, but it does (for the moment at least) count all of the GOMS except GSI. That's why Flash is getting a huge boost in ELO from not losing in GOM S3 so far, even when he was failing near the end of proleague regular season + RO16 of OSL and MSL. (actually it might count GSI... not sure about that... it was an invitational tournament, and those are usually never counted though). | ||
fanatacist
10319 Posts
On August 14 2009 02:50 eshlow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2009 01:01 Origami wrote: On August 14 2009 00:28 o[twist] wrote: all i meant was through 2009. the person said calm has a better win percentage than JD in 2009. calm is now 6-1 in these two series against effort and jaedong and it's really incredible, no question. but jd has also played 8 games against fantasy in 2009 (calm: 1), 7 against bisu (calm: 1), 7 against effort (calm: 3), 6 against canata (calm: 1), 4 against yarnc (calm: 1), 4 against skyhigh (calm: 1), 3 against kal (calm: 0), 3 against leta (calm: 1), and 3 against luxury (calm: 1). calm has a lot of qualifier series against like han, young, IsaC, M18M, go.go, hungry, etc. by comparison. just something to consider when you're looking at win percentage. TLPD win/loss counts ignore games from preliminary offlines and such. It doesn't even count the GSL I think. TLPD does not count offline quals, but it does (for the moment at least) count all of the GOMS except GSI. That's why Flash is getting a huge boost in ELO from not losing in GOM S3 so far, even when he was failing near the end of proleague regular season + RO16 of OSL and MSL. (actually it might count GSI... not sure about that... it was an invitational tournament, and those are usually never counted though). I am 90% GSI is not counted. | ||
okum
France5776 Posts
Though you'd expect him to beat Calm in his sleep, without practice. Maybe that's what Jaedong thought, and suffered accordingly. | ||
fanatacist
10319 Posts
On August 14 2009 03:03 okum wrote: There's the possibility that Jaedong only lost because he's been practicing 24/7 for Fantasy. Though you'd expect him to beat Calm in his sleep, without practice. Maybe that's what Jaedong thought, and suffered accordingly. There is a lot of reasoning that can be made behind that statement, of course (JD wants a Golden Mouse more than a MSL title, wants revenge on Fantasy more than to beat Calm, hence has been practicing only ZvT, he underestimated Calm, etc. etc.). However the fact remains that this is all speculation and Jaedong lost 3-1 to a rather convincingly powerful Calm, and that now Calm is above Jaedong in ELO. | ||
okum
France5776 Posts
On August 14 2009 03:07 fanatacist wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2009 03:03 okum wrote: There's the possibility that Jaedong only lost because he's been practicing 24/7 for Fantasy. Though you'd expect him to beat Calm in his sleep, without practice. Maybe that's what Jaedong thought, and suffered accordingly. There is a lot of reasoning that can be made behind that statement, of course (JD wants a Golden Mouse more than a MSL title, wants revenge on Fantasy more than to beat Calm, hence has been practicing only ZvT, he underestimated Calm, etc. etc.). However the fact remains that this is all speculation and Jaedong lost 3-1 to a rather convincingly powerful Calm, and that now Calm is above Jaedong in ELO. Absolutely. Calm deserves all the praise he's receiving. | ||
Nylan
United States795 Posts
On August 14 2009 03:03 okum wrote: There's the possibility that Jaedong only lost because he's been practicing 24/7 for Fantasy. Though you'd expect him to beat Calm in his sleep, without practice. Maybe that's what Jaedong thought, and suffered accordingly. It's a lame excuse in all cases. | ||
lordmordor
United States209 Posts
Id be so sad to see him get so far in both leagues, while taking his team to the finals, and not walk away without at least one title. he can salvage his ZvZ win ratio after he takes down fantasy. | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
Though ofc, OSL finals are this month, so it's too soon to talk about. On August 14 2009 04:09 Nylan wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2009 03:03 okum wrote: There's the possibility that Jaedong only lost because he's been practicing 24/7 for Fantasy. Though you'd expect him to beat Calm in his sleep, without practice. Maybe that's what Jaedong thought, and suffered accordingly. It's a lame excuse in all cases. I'm not going to support this excuse unless JD shows his old self vs Fantasy tonight. | ||
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