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On August 28 2009 07:11 zerotol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2009 21:37 Musoeun wrote:On August 27 2009 20:46 integral wrote:On August 27 2009 17:52 TwoToneTerran wrote: Effort's spot on the PR is going to be entirely grandfathered in from last PR. Since last PR all he's done is gone 2-2, wins against Really and losses to Flash. Proleague wasn't even a factor for this month/pr. Same could go for Yarnc, really, since all he did was beat a weak player (type b) and get stomped by a strong one (JD).
I'm not actually against a player retaining PRship through common knowledge of how good he is, regardless of a mediocre, dry month. But we all know how finicky the prospect of benefit of the doubt can be. The whole grandfathering makes sense, but only if there are < 10 solid/active performers. Which players should be grandfathered and what spot they get is going to be pretty subjective, though. Effort also won blizzcon, at least I seem to remember that, anyway. If winning blizzcon is worth anything. Considering the top non-EffOrt player at Blizzcon was, uh... Zero? Nada? Ret? No, I don't think it does. lol! It proves he doesnt choke when he needs to win. Blizzcon was still a nice tourney win and was the most signifant win since last PR except OSL final Bisu did nothing since last powerrank (2 map win over flash) Skyhigh (absolute zero since last powerrank huge fail blizzcon) Iris (huge suckouts vs flash and kwamro) Type-b (.........) canata (pld nothing) Yarn (losses and more losses since last PR) Fantasy (nothing but losses since last PR) my ranking 1.Jaedong 2.Calm 3.Kwanro 4.Flash 5.Effort 6.Bisu 7.Stork 8.Luxury (hes winning matches omg!) 9.Zero Who else can you even rank?
you are just a human being joke .
PR without fantasy is NOT possible PR without iris is NOT possible luxury has NOTHING to do in PR PR without yarnc is NOT possible bisu should be now #2 or #3 after his wins over flash ( and very soon a big 2 0 rape of luxury )
i predict bisu > luxury and jaedong > stork then jaedong > bisu and stork > luxury
for MSL its calm 3 0 kwanro humilation
so it should be something like this : 1 jaedong 2 calm 3 bisu 4 fantasy 5 kwanro 6 yellow[arnc] 7 flash 8 iris 9 stork 10 effort
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did somebody hit me in the head because vampyr is starting to make sense to me
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Me too. Not completely, but still...
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Gonna laugh when Lux 2-0's stork and Jaedong. Just you wait. >:[
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On August 28 2009 07:54 TwoToneTerran wrote: Gonna laugh when Lux 2-0's stork and Jaedong. Just you wait. >:[
I'm not quite sure how he's going to play both of them since if he wins/loses vs. Bisu he can only play one of them....
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On August 28 2009 07:54 TwoToneTerran wrote: Gonna laugh when Lux 2-0's stork and Jaedong. Just you wait. >:[
On August 28 2009 08:08 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2009 07:54 TwoToneTerran wrote: Gonna laugh when Lux 2-0's stork and Jaedong. Just you wait. >:[ I'm not quite sure how he's going to play both of them since if he wins/loses vs. Bisu he can only play one of them....
Ahahaha
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On August 28 2009 08:08 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2009 07:54 TwoToneTerran wrote: Gonna laugh when Lux 2-0's stork and Jaedong. Just you wait. >:[ I'm not quite sure how he's going to play both of them since if he wins/loses vs. Bisu he can only play one of them.... LOLOL Super!
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On August 28 2009 04:12 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2009 17:22 ghostWriter wrote:On August 27 2009 04:43 Mogwai wrote:JD is the first player since Boxer to win back to back OSLs and has become the youngest winner of a golden mouse ever. Despite his Proleague colapse and clear lack of MSL preparation, I think it's a disservice to his accomplishments to give him anything but the #1 spot. I've really come to dislike Fantasy, but I can still see him at #2 for being T1's backbone vs. Oz. I think the way he lost his composure and played like pure shit in set3 and set4 of the OSL semis is indication enough that he's still at least a step behind JD. I love Iris, but he should pretty clearly be below Flash imo. The Bisu win was very impressive, but the way he fell apart vs. Kwanro was pretty inexcusable . Maybe I just feel this way since his win over Bisu was so early in the ranking period... I expect the rank to look like: 1. Jaedong 2. Fantasy 3. MSL winner 4. Bisu/Flash winner 5. MSL loser 6. Bisu/Flash loser 7. Iris 8. Yarc 9. Stork 10. Effort with possibly 2 and 3 switched, 4 and 5 switched, 7 and 8 switched, and/or a different 10 due to Effort's lack of noteworthy games over the period. I just can't see anyone else @ 10, there just aren't enough games (cept for Luxury's 4 game win WCG win streak, WOOOO GO LUX!!!) Why? Fantasy is a decent guy, he's not bm or anything. Also, your rank is not bad, but it's been a pretty dry month since all the more prestigious leagues are over =/ I wouldn't put luxury up there though, his non-wcg performance has been abysmal, especially for the MSL winner, while effort's proleague performance was extraordinary. Also, given how stork just mauled Fantasy and made him look horrible, I might put him above yarnc as well. I know yarnc got to the finals in the osl but beating go.go and type-b doesn't really impress me that much and he made the osl finals the most boring finals ever. Jaedong just took him out, there was no point in any of the games where it looked like he had even a slight advantage. Fantasy is not bm? Go read his recent interview, he is arrogant as hell
I dunno, I reread it and it doesn't seem so bad to me. Also, you have to realize that translators are fallible. I didn't read the original to check for mistakes, but everyone makes mistakes and they can easily put in meaning or lose meaning from statements during translation. Sometimes it's difficult to find a fitting phrase.
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I'm not sure how you could mistake that article. It seemed put very bluntly that he fully expected to beat Stork because it was TvP.
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On August 28 2009 10:00 TwoToneTerran wrote: I'm not sure how you could mistake that article. It seemed put very bluntly that he fully expected to beat Stork because it was TvP.
I didn't get that out of it at all.
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Your next opponent is (P)Stork. ▲ I practiced TvP a lot lately so I feel confident*. I will definitely get to the semifinals and have a rematch with (Z)Jaedong
"I will definitely make it to the semifinals" = I will win. And "I praticed TvP a lot lately so I feel confident" means he's saying he will win because it's TvP.
There was even an editor's note pointing out how he used a saying to describe his specific confidence in beating Stork. It's like he forgets that Stork was the guy who started him on his silver streak.
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holy shit i just watched game three of flash v. bisu. incredible play, i know it's just wcg but they both deserve significant placement on this PR imo.
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On August 28 2009 10:47 TwoToneTerran wrote: Your next opponent is (P)Stork. ▲ I practiced TvP a lot lately so I feel confident*. I will definitely get to the semifinals and have a rematch with (Z)Jaedong
"I will definitely make it to the semifinals" = I will win. And "I praticed TvP a lot lately so I feel confident" means he's saying he will win because it's TvP.
There was even an editor's note pointing out how he used a saying to describe his specific confidence in beating Stork. It's like he forgets that Stork was the guy who started him on his silver streak.
Like I said, translators can make mistakes. I read it as "I definitely want to reach the round of 4 so that I can have a rematch with Jaedong". And a lot of players say "I definitely will make it to the next round" or something similar to show their fans that they're confident, not because they're cocky. You have some kind of excuse for every one of Flash's losses, but you take a slightly mistranslated section in an interview as proof that fantasy is "bm". If that's not a bias, I don't know what is. And there's nothing wrong with saying that he's confident in his TvP, he has many wins against top protoss players to back up that statement.
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What about where he didn't practice that much for his OSL series vs Jaedong because he had already beaten him before in proleague?
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The remaining WCG games will have a major effect on the ranks since Bisu and Jaedong are still in it. If Bisu goes through as the first seed I could see him in first place in the next PR; otherwise, obviously Jaedong should be first.
3/4 - Kwanro/Calm depending on who wins the MSL.
5 - Flash
I have no idea how to sort out the rest. The top 5 seems obvious though.
The rest of the WCG results are pretty important for figuring out the order anyway, so it's not worth speculating too much.
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On August 28 2009 12:26 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2009 10:47 TwoToneTerran wrote: Your next opponent is (P)Stork. ▲ I practiced TvP a lot lately so I feel confident*. I will definitely get to the semifinals and have a rematch with (Z)Jaedong
"I will definitely make it to the semifinals" = I will win. And "I praticed TvP a lot lately so I feel confident" means he's saying he will win because it's TvP.
There was even an editor's note pointing out how he used a saying to describe his specific confidence in beating Stork. It's like he forgets that Stork was the guy who started him on his silver streak. Like I said, translators can make mistakes. I read it as "I definitely want to reach the round of 4 so that I can have a rematch with Jaedong". And a lot of players say "I definitely will make it to the next round" or something similar to show their fans that they're confident, not because they're cocky. You have some kind of excuse for every one of Flash's losses, but you take a slightly mistranslated section in an interview as proof that fantasy is "bm". If that's not a bias, I don't know what is. And there's nothing wrong with saying that he's confident in his TvP, he has many wins against top protoss players to back up that statement.
Haha okay, I was responding to the other dude who said he didn't 'get' that Fantasy was sure that he would win from his next interview, not to your mistranslation nonsense (why aren't you translating/correcting if everyone's making mistakes anyhow?). Aside from that, I'll throw my lot in with Avid over there in pointing out Fantasy's undeniable cockiness by not practicing for a series against the best Zerg ever.
And THAT aside, what is this bullshit, making excuses for Flash's losses? Flash has lost to 3 people as of late (4 of you count vs Leta at masters), and that's Kwanro, Iris, and Bisu. Please tell me where I excused them, because I haven't. Hell I barely commented about his losses to Kwanro, didn't even mention his loss to Iris (because he trashed him in the series, why would it matter if he dropped one game?) and I've yet to make 'excuses' for his loss to Bisu, as that shit happened yesterday and it was a straightforward series (PvT on destination, TvP on ROTK, and Flash messing up a rush/Bisu defending a rush very well). Take your ridiculous ad hominem back, that's seriously completely off topic and completely unwarranted.
I'm a Flash fan, we're so used to Flash having upsetting losses that we don't even try to excuse him. We just revel in his wins (because when Flash wins, it's hardly close).
On August 28 2009 08:08 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2009 07:54 TwoToneTerran wrote: Gonna laugh when Lux 2-0's stork and Jaedong. Just you wait. >:[ I'm not quite sure how he's going to play both of them since if he wins/loses vs. Bisu he can only play one of them....
Oh Jesus I meant to say Bisu and Jaedong. I space out on the dragons sometimes. :> On the bright side, it being Bisu further helps the ridiculousness of my wager.
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What do you mean "mistranslation nonsense"? I fixed it, because the way I read it, Fantasy doesn't actually say that he's sure that he's going to win which pretty much negates your "fantasy is cocky" argument. Just quoting my post doesn't mean that you read what I said. I do do translations http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=interview&t=t&f=6&u=ghostwriter&gb=date but it's not my job to translate or correct. sup?
When I was explaining the possible reasons for why Flash wasn't included on the list, weren't you one of the ones trying to defend him? Who was talking about his recent wins, those are for the upcoming rank, not this one. I also don't see where I was being a jerk.
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Defending Flash doesn't mean making excuses for his losses. I don't give half assed reasons against players who legitly beat Flash. I might be a Flash fanboy, but I'm not an insane, irrational one. You completely dodged what I was saying (and took it out of context because it wasn't even directed at you), and then pulled a complete strawman, saying I "make excuses" for Flash's losses to take away my legitimacy, and rude all wrapped in one.
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On August 28 2009 12:31 Avidkeystamper wrote: What about where he didn't practice that much for his OSL series vs Jaedong because he had already beaten him before in proleague?
Yup this. Even IF Fantasy's interview about Stork was somehow not negative, Fantasy claimed that his only reason for losing to Jaedong was because he underestimated JD by beating him in proleague finals and therefore causing him not practicing for the OSL series.
I mean, I admit Fantasy is one of the best Terran players nowadays, if not the best. But even the notoriously "arrogant" Bisu (whom I don't believe is that bad) does not say the type of rude stuff that Fantasy says. "I only lost to him cause I didn't practice" "I am sure to breeze through this guy"
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On August 28 2009 14:01 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2009 12:31 Avidkeystamper wrote: What about where he didn't practice that much for his OSL series vs Jaedong because he had already beaten him before in proleague? Yup this. Even IF Fantasy's interview about Stork was somehow not negative, Fantasy claimed that his only reason for losing to Jaedong was because he underestimated JD by beating him in proleague finals and therefore causing him not practicing for the OSL series. I mean, I admit Fantasy is one of the best Terran players nowadays, if not the best. But even the notoriously "arrogant" Bisu (whom I don't believe is that bad) does not say the type of rude stuff that Fantasy says. "I only lost to him cause I didn't practice" "I am sure to breeze through this guy"
Haha, bisu is not bad at all. He's just kinda cocky in his attitude and in the way he carries himself. Fantasy didn't say that he didn't practice at all. He just said he didn't practice as much (as he should have) since it's Jaedong.
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