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Hey TL. I remember when Blizzard used to release weekly top 200s there used to be analysis threads, and though you can't derive too much concrete information from ladder statistics it can be an interesting exercise nonetheless. I chose Korea because it has the most competitive and toughest ladder. I got all my information from http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/kr/grandmaster/1/all/points/100
Race Statistics Terran - 78 players in Grandmaster. 39% of the total Protoss - 65 players in Grandmaster. 32.5% of the total Zerg - 56 Players in Grandmaster. 28% of the total Random - 1 Player in Grandmaser. 0.5% of the total
Please note that the account "Checkraise" is counted here as Zerg, though it was being played as Protoss by LiquidHuk when it got into Grandmaster.
The Best of the Best Top three: 1. Ellenpage (Marineking) with a 75% winrate. 2. scfOu with a 66.05% winrate. 3. KeenMVP with a 69% winrate.
Top Ten: The top ten consists of 9 Terrans, one Protoss and no Zerg.
Top Twenty: The top twenty consists of 15 Terran, two Protoss and three Zerg.
Foreigner Power There are between three and four non-Koreans in Korean Grandmaster (depending on how you count). Highest is, as always, LiquidHuk, coming in at 137, closely followed by ZergKing (Sen) at 145. FXOMoongalde comes in at 189, followed by the joint Dimaga/LiquidHuk account CheckRaise (though it was Huk who was playing the account when it got into Grandmaster, after Dimaga had left Korea) at 197.
Of course all this analysis becomes much more interesting when you observe the change over time. If I can find time I'll try to do this semi-frequently.
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I can't wait for GSL tonight, I can finally see KeenMvP play. He's been destroying kids on the ladder, just like IMMvp/ST_Bomber before they broke out.
EDIT: I've also noticed that there aren't a lot of pros doing very well on the ladder. LosirA's win % is only around 50%, same with HuK's etc.
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On April 25 2011 06:29 MechKing wrote: I can't wait for GSL tonight, I can finally see KeenMvP play. He's been destroying kids on the ladder, just like IMMvp/ST_Bomber before they broke out.
EDIT: I've also noticed that there aren't a lot of pros doing very well on the ladder. LosirA's win % is only around 50%, same with HuK's etc.
Well, they are trying out some new stuff they're not all that solid with on the ladder, for example huk was doing this stargate build in every PvZ he had one day he was streaming. Wasn't necesarrily working out too well imo, but gotta widen the spectre of builds they got you know
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I find that Zerg in the early game is most vulnerable to cheeses/rushes because they have to decide, Defense or Economy? Without their 2nd base, they are extremely weak. That might be why there are no zergs in top 10 of Korea Grandmaster. Also, the Korean grandmaster is essentially the best of the best. If you make one mistake, you pretty much lose because of how good the players are.
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On April 25 2011 06:29 MechKing wrote: I can't wait for GSL tonight, I can finally see KeenMvP play. He's been destroying kids on the ladder, just like IMMvp/ST_Bomber before they broke out.
EDIT: I've also noticed that there aren't a lot of pros doing very well on the ladder. LosirA's win % is only around 50%, same with HuK's etc. Huks is way above 50%, but White-Ra used that account during his stay in Korea.
The only non-korean aside from Huk that has a higher winrate than 50% this season, that I know of, is Dimaga (he had like 55%ish? maybe a bit higher, very good eitherway).
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On April 25 2011 06:34 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:29 MechKing wrote: I can't wait for GSL tonight, I can finally see KeenMvP play. He's been destroying kids on the ladder, just like IMMvp/ST_Bomber before they broke out.
EDIT: I've also noticed that there aren't a lot of pros doing very well on the ladder. LosirA's win % is only around 50%, same with HuK's etc. Huks is way above 50%, but White-Ra used that account during his stay in Korea. The only non-korean aside from Huk that has a higher winrate than 50% this season, that I know of, is Dimaga (he had like 55%ish? maybe a bit higher, very good eitherway). Ah, I see. Just curious though, have you ever played against Keen? I cannot find anything about this guy
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props to the one random player
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Wasn't there some explanation for Terrans doing well on the ladder that went something like Terrans focus on early game aggression and therefore mass more games in the same amount of time than their zerg and terran counterparts so their ranks increase the most quickly? Does this still hold true, especially with MVP claiming Terran is currently "the weakest race"
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On April 25 2011 06:26 sickoota wrote:Hey TL. I remember when Blizzard used to release weekly top 200s there used to be analysis threads, and though you can't derive too much concrete information from ladder statistics it can be an interesting exercise nonetheless. I chose Korea because it has the most competitive and toughest ladder. I got all my information from http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/kr/grandmaster/1/all/points/100 Race StatisticsTerran - 81 players in Grandmaster. 40.5% of the total Protoss - 64 players in Grandmaster. 32% of the total Zerg - 45 Players in Grandmaster. 27% of the total Random - 1 Player in Grandmaser. 0.5% of the total Please note that the account "Checkraise" is counted here as Zerg, though it was being played as Protoss by LiquidHuk when it got into Grandmaster. The Best of the BestTop three: 1. Ellenpage (Marineking) with a 75% winrate. 2. scfOu with a 66.05% winrate. 3. KeenMVP with a 69% winrate. Top Ten: The top ten consists of 9 Terrans, one Protoss and no Zerg. Top Twenty: The top twenty consists of 15 Terran, two Protoss and three Zerg. Foreigner PowerThere are between three and four non-Koreans in Korean Grandmaster (depending on how you count). Highest is, as always, LiquidHuk, coming in at 137, closely followed by ZergKing (Sen) at 145. FXOMoongalde comes in at 189, followed by the joint Dimaga/LiquidHuk account CheckRaise (though it was Huk who was playing the account when it got into Grandmaster, after Dimaga had left Korea) at 197. Of course all this analysis becomes much more interesting when you observe the change over time. If I can find time I'll try to do this semi-frequently.
The most interesting thing about the Korean ladder is the odd Terran dominance. Where other theaters are seeing a rapid decline in Terran numbers in higher leagues, Korea holds on steadfast. It could very well be a lack of defining Protoss competition in Korea. When we take into account how well so many foreign Protoss do in international tournaments and compare it to the rather "poor" performance of Protoss in the GSL, it would hint that Korean Protoss just may not be hitting Terran like it should.
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Dongraegu still holding it down in the top 20, can't wait until he finally qualifies or MVP plays in the TeamLeague so we can see more of him.
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Marineking may be 2nd forever but on ladder he is 1st foreverrrrrr lol maybe its his own way of making sure he at least isn't 2nd in everything.
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On April 25 2011 06:37 GhostKorean wrote: Wasn't there some explanation for Terrans doing well on the ladder that went something like Terrans focus on early game aggression and therefore mass more games in the same amount of time than their zerg and terran counterparts so their ranks increase the most quickly? Does this still hold true, especially with MVP claiming Terran is currently "the weakest race"
did you actually listen to the interview or you just trolling?
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On April 25 2011 06:37 GhostKorean wrote: Wasn't there some explanation for Terrans doing well on the ladder that went something like Terrans focus on early game aggression and therefore mass more games in the same amount of time than their zerg and terran counterparts so their ranks increase the most quickly? Does this still hold true, especially with MVP claiming Terran is currently "the weakest race" Ladder rank has nothing to do with how many games you can mass. For example, #10 on the ladder, 별구름, only has 70 games played, but has a sick 71% ratio. Its all about win % as well as the quality of opponents you face.
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big respekt to this one random player , <3 to you
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I hope sC puts MarineKing in his rightful place soon.
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Thanks for the statistics. Al least MarineKing is not second here :> How big are the chances to see some change is this division, considering that so few people should let their bonus pool inflate over 180 ? Good luck Jinro & HayprO !
Edit : The Random player seems to be 스타테일무작위왕 (STMax?)
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well, I hope people realize that ladder isn't purely indicative of who is doing the best, or which race is doing the best considering a lot of top pros don't ladder much, and that laddering is much, much different from winning a BoX against a well-known player
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MKP is legendary in the korean ladder, owning it since GSL2.
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I think terran is doing so well in Korea because I feel personally that the terran race rewards those with the best mechanics more than the other races and those guys are pretty flawless when it comes to that.
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