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On September 25 2012 08:07 mikedebo wrote: Let's see what happens at the end of the Beta. If things end in a similar state to how they are now, I can't even imagine the clusterfuck that will follow for the 2-3 mo afterwards.
What clusterfuck would that be and where would it come from? People don't seem terribly upset with the current state of beta.
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On September 25 2012 07:46 Grapefruit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 16:21 Big J wrote:You are both wrong. The game is fairly balanced at all stages of the game. There is absolutly no "after point X" or "at point Y" where only one race can dominate. (those are the latest winrate per gamelength stats I know about, from 13 Jun 2012 02:34:54 GMT - 15 Jul 2012 16:05:41 GMT - Ladder-Balance-Data) http://i.imgur.com/YYbE4.png What you seem to miss is one VERY important factor. This covers all leagues. In other words this covers games where Zergs in ZvT decide to go for a 30+ min Hydra drop with slow Overlords or similar stuff.
Terrans are competitive in every major event. Taeja just won Valencia (versus another Terran). Balance is fantastic, although I would say it takes more skill to win at the highest levels with T.
Terran bitching is so 3 months ago.
I do hope you guys get a more dynamic innovation than "half bio / half mech autobot", but that is not up to me.
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The lack of new units and even more of a lack of new strategy that they create is very disappointing (entirely based on my observations from streams and casted games). I am really excited about the campaign though at least. Maybe some interesting reaper play to look forward to though???
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terrans being displeased with things? tell me something new plz
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I echo the thoughts of alot of people when I say, that even though I'm not in the beta, just from following the news, the new units havent really excited me, especially to the extent that the new toys that toss and zerg get seem pretty awesome, whereas the terran stuff doesn't seem nearly as sexy. With the removal of the Warhound, it just further hurts the situation. I hope blizzard has some surprises in store for us before release.
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I agree with this. I think that blizzard should remove auto cast, because that adds a lot of micro into the game. It Nerfs the warhound and the swarmhost (the 2 most OP units). It doesn't really nerf the carier, because a lot of ppl didn't even know about in anyway. Then, it makes u need to think how you cast it. You can then put the warhound back in. I though the idea was great, because tank contains are OP.
And they need to make HSM only 100 energy, and buff BC anti ground. I think it is OK for a T4 unit that costs a lot, and takes a lot of suply to do damage.
Its also stupid, That after IEM Collonge, Blizzard said it solved the whole queen buff OP-ness think. Te only reason that terran has won is because of MVP, taeja, and MKP won at the beginning of the year. These guys are so good, you cant use them as evidence to Balance. Is there a list if all the championships won by Terrans in 2012, without those 3. Sorry, had to let this out somewere.
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Are you guys so whipped by Blizzard that the removal of the WARHOUND becomes a bad thing?
Goddamit guys
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I'm not displeased one bit.
am I a zerg player? yes.
I've been playing terran offline beta for awhile now so I know what I like, and I don't think the race is all that bad. I mean for gods sake, I never heard a terran complain "well my race is boring!" or "my race fucking sucks!" in WoL, no it was more like "zerg/protoss OP" never any "terran UP!" shit that we keep hearing about since the most OP unit in the game was removed (warhound). I mean really, your expansion was WoL, so you can't expect to get a completely different race.
Only thing I would like to see, is a change to the raven, less of an "ok I have spells that do DPS" and more "ok I have spells that support my army", also the viking ground mode should represent the gap in mech and mech upgrades effect ground mode and air upgrades effect air mode. Also you should be able to make grounded vikings from a factory but need a starport to transform them or build them already in flight mode from a starport.
as simple as that really
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I would be uber happy if...
+Buff tank damage to WoL beta numbers (we're not playing on stepps anymore, tanks are allowed to do damage) +Increase high ground advantage to -1 range for units below high ground (mech isn't just units out of factory, its more positional play, the high ground mechanic in WoL is very contrary to holding positions)
icing on cake +remake viking assault mode, along with some comparable nerf in the switching much much longer transform time permanent transform archon-like transform (ie uses 2 vikings) requires resources to transform or combination of any would be really cool to see.
The ability for reactored vikings will pose balance hurdles, but I believe it could still be done
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i am glad i play random nowadays. It lets me enjoy the game whatever changes, because i know if i was a terran player i would be fucking pissed.
every patch somehow nerfing terran further and further is bad enough, but then finally terran get two buffs that on paper everyone ive seen thinks is a good idea...then blizzard turn round and say it was a bug, and people wonder why terran is severely under-represented on ladder?
oh, also i think viking ground mode should be buffed (un-nerfed)
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On September 25 2012 08:13 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 08:07 mikedebo wrote: Let's see what happens at the end of the Beta. If things end in a similar state to how they are now, I can't even imagine the clusterfuck that will follow for the 2-3 mo afterwards.
What clusterfuck would that be and where would it come from? People don't seem terribly upset with the current state of beta.
I don't hate blizz or anything but as a terran player I have absolutely no enthusiasm for the beta(and I think most terrans feel the same way)
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Dustin said before that terran was overdesigned for WoL. So naturally, terrans would get lesser stuff for HotS. Why are terran players insisting on blizzard to not fix this problem now that they finally have a chance to fix it.
Also, I don't understand the mentality of some people. The purpose of balance changes is to improve the overall balance of the game. Just because a race is nerfed before, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be considered for subsequent nerfs. If anything, terran players should be happy they had over a year to play using supposedly OP units.
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at first i was displeased but then i found out that widow mine is way to effective its has fast built time fast speed and insanely good dmg output
the games i made so far with combination of mines resulted that i traded very good against opponents
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But terran is complete already. It just needs to adjust to the changes in the expansions, and not add new cool units.
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I'm just ticked at the fact that Blizzard isn't really implementing anything new to the game, except for Zerg. They have the opportunity to make huge changes, but their scared about about balance, when the concentration should be on design.
HOTs looks like a DLC that should be sold for $20.
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- SC2 is the only thing I've been passionate about during the last 10 years of my life. The last 2 years of SC2 have been absolutely the best time I've ever spent on any form of entertainment ever. - Have spent hundreds of hours reading, learning and thinking about SC2. - Have played thousands of SC2 games. - Have spend hundreds of dollars on SC2 events. - I bought a sick computer and monitor just so I could have the best SC2 experience (performance) possible. - I've spend dozens of hours in store and online researching keyboards so I could find the best one. I recently bought a $400 dollar keyboard just for SC2 and I make an average amount of money. - I play Terran. - I have not tried the HOTS beta yet, my experience is limited to following this forum and watch HOTS streams. - I will not make any final judgments about HOTS until I play the final release.
Frozen Throne and Brood War improved their vanilla predecessors so hugely I can't even think of a word that describes their respective magnitudes of improvement properly.
As passionate as I am about SC2 and after investing so much time, effort and money into it, it makes me feel like absolute shit to say but I am not excited about HOTS anymore. At Blizzcon 2011, Blizzard introduced A LOT of huge and exciting changes for the game, all of which gave me the feeling inside that HOTS would introduce improvements in the same epic proportions as BW and FT did. 75% of the changes from Blizzcon have since been removed and what is left is so underwhelming that I haven't watched a HOTS stream in a week.
I've never played or watched any MOBA style game in my life (DOTA, League of Legends, Heroes of Newerth) but my passion for HOTS turned off like a light switch the moment I saw how Valve is developing DOTA2. I was absolutely blown away by Husky's DOTA2/SC2 UI comparison video (http://youtu.be/7hpbSKGbzKg), the number of stats available in DOTA 2 is MINDBLOWING compared to SC2 and the way DOTA2 promotes e-sports is beyond impressive.
There are 2 things that have to happen to make me pumped about HOTS:
1) Warcraft 3 in space magnitude overhaul: Blizzard scraps all/most new units and introduces new ones. They add stats, stats and more stats and provide all the features they have promised/that are standard in other games.
2) Release date comes near: Unlike before, I have not been excited everyday of my life for HOTS in its anticipation but I know that even if not much changes, I will begin to be excited for it as the release draws near.
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As a Protoss player I am just as displeased as the lot of you, None of our matchups really changed that much and the only new this that is viable is Mothership core, everything else is just Expensive Stargate stuff that is boring. We really aren't even changing still going to be Deathball With Colossus.
Maybe every couple of PvZs we will get an oracle.
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If I want to play seriously I find that not a single matchup has changed for me. TvP i can see mines having early-game potential, and mines can serve as anti-harass (kills medivac in 1 hit for example) but largley I find that HotS is almost indistinguishable from WoL.
This definitely isn't a Brood War or a Frozen Throne =/
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I am not looking forward to HotS at all.
Bliz first says that they will fix mech, and then all the changes turn out to be "bugs."
Toss also gets practically nothing, Z gets all the fun, new, viable units.
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Terran is not any more complete than the other races. If they were, they would win everything, but they don't. Clearly they are not complete. or other races are also complete.
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