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weikor
Austria580 Posts
Your buying it. Dont kid yourself | ||
arcHoniC
United States141 Posts
I think for a while they were behind the curve on how players win the game but now they have caught up the design is getting better and better. I don't think it will take a lot more work to have a completely successful expansion. Im pumped | ||
maybenexttime
Poland5231 Posts
On January 04 2013 05:41 weikor wrote: 2 years into the game and your in a Starcraft 2 dedicated forum, discussing an expansion to be released in over 3 months. Your buying it. Dont kid yourself I didn't even buy WoL, so I'm not. Not until they fix the game. But it's getting progressively worse and they missed their chance to fix the fundamental flaws. | ||
Leyra
United States1222 Posts
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
On January 02 2013 20:07 playa wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2013 19:29 Zombo Joe wrote: On January 02 2013 19:04 Crypdos wrote: On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: In WoL, Terran can 1a with any kind of early attack and expect to win the majority versus Toss. In HotS, it's nothing but Terran tears. "Dustin Browder set me up. In WoL, all I had to do was 1/1/1 or proxy rax. Now you're telling me I have to learn to macro? Not all-in every single game? Can you direct me to a tutorial on how to be skilful?" It's pretty much the most beautiful game I've ever played. It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. If you can play WoL, a clown game in comparison that should never be taken seriously, and you don't get HotS, then you're either a Terran player that never tried to play a real game or your ideal game is bl/infestor every game. If that's you, good riddance. You are a pretty funny guy. Cmon, U can't be serious? It's my opinion, but I also think banshees are a BS unit in WoL. I either have to pretty much blindly make a starport and pray to god you open banshees or else I 100% lose, or I'm supposed to make stalkers, something that can't 1 on 1 a banshee, so you have to make a lot of them, but... stalkers get owned by everything else. So my unit composition ends up being... something that can't trade well against jack shit, yet I have to fend off the all-in. O, I also have to expo fast against the all-in because I need the eco to produce a lot more than them since I can't trade cost efficiently. BS. this post gave me brain cancer and an aneurysm in my aorta the current metagame of pvt is 1 gate fast expand + 2 gate + robo - this buidl is so good against one base banshees it's literally a joke trying to go cloak on one base. You need to actually learn to play the game instead of complaining about OP units. | ||
The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On January 04 2013 07:04 Manimal_pro wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2013 20:07 playa wrote: On January 02 2013 19:29 Zombo Joe wrote: On January 02 2013 19:04 Crypdos wrote: On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: In WoL, Terran can 1a with any kind of early attack and expect to win the majority versus Toss. In HotS, it's nothing but Terran tears. "Dustin Browder set me up. In WoL, all I had to do was 1/1/1 or proxy rax. Now you're telling me I have to learn to macro? Not all-in every single game? Can you direct me to a tutorial on how to be skilful?" It's pretty much the most beautiful game I've ever played. It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. If you can play WoL, a clown game in comparison that should never be taken seriously, and you don't get HotS, then you're either a Terran player that never tried to play a real game or your ideal game is bl/infestor every game. If that's you, good riddance. You are a pretty funny guy. Cmon, U can't be serious? It's my opinion, but I also think banshees are a BS unit in WoL. I either have to pretty much blindly make a starport and pray to god you open banshees or else I 100% lose, or I'm supposed to make stalkers, something that can't 1 on 1 a banshee, so you have to make a lot of them, but... stalkers get owned by everything else. So my unit composition ends up being... something that can't trade well against jack shit, yet I have to fend off the all-in. O, I also have to expo fast against the all-in because I need the eco to produce a lot more than them since I can't trade cost efficiently. BS. this post gave me brain cancer and an aneurysm in my aorta the current metagame of pvt is 1 gate fast expand + 2 gate + robo - this buidl is so good against one base banshees it's literally a joke trying to go cloak on one base. You need to actually learn to play the game instead of complaining about OP units. Perhaps the most interesting part of his post is where he says he's forced to choose between "blindly maki[ng] a starport" and "mak[ing] stalkers". Basically he has to choose between going down two tech paths, one of which will always be impossible. No wonder he finds WOL frustrating | ||
Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 04 2013 07:04 Manimal_pro wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2013 20:07 playa wrote: On January 02 2013 19:29 Zombo Joe wrote: On January 02 2013 19:04 Crypdos wrote: On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: In WoL, Terran can 1a with any kind of early attack and expect to win the majority versus Toss. In HotS, it's nothing but Terran tears. "Dustin Browder set me up. In WoL, all I had to do was 1/1/1 or proxy rax. Now you're telling me I have to learn to macro? Not all-in every single game? Can you direct me to a tutorial on how to be skilful?" It's pretty much the most beautiful game I've ever played. It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. If you can play WoL, a clown game in comparison that should never be taken seriously, and you don't get HotS, then you're either a Terran player that never tried to play a real game or your ideal game is bl/infestor every game. If that's you, good riddance. You are a pretty funny guy. Cmon, U can't be serious? It's my opinion, but I also think banshees are a BS unit in WoL. I either have to pretty much blindly make a starport and pray to god you open banshees or else I 100% lose, or I'm supposed to make stalkers, something that can't 1 on 1 a banshee, so you have to make a lot of them, but... stalkers get owned by everything else. So my unit composition ends up being... something that can't trade well against jack shit, yet I have to fend off the all-in. O, I also have to expo fast against the all-in because I need the eco to produce a lot more than them since I can't trade cost efficiently. BS. this post gave me brain cancer and an aneurysm in my aorta the current metagame of pvt is 1 gate fast expand + 2 gate + robo - this buidl is so good against one base banshees it's literally a joke trying to go cloak on one base. You need to actually learn to play the game instead of complaining about OP units. Cloak is pointless. Unless you're 100% sure they aren't getting it, you're going to make 2 observers anyways. The build forces bad units out of toss and wasted minerals. Have to make at least 2 observers. 150 gas. Have to have at least 2 stalkers for each banshee. And even if you know he only has 1 banshee, you have to defend 2 locations since you were forced to expo quickly. At least 4 stalkers. You force out at least 100 wasted gas there, too. Plus, since you're not always going to know exactly how many banshees the guy has, you have to play it "better safe than sorry," so you end up making even more stalkers. More wasted gas and minerals. And then the guy attacks with all his units together, and if you ever fall below the 2 stalkers to 1 banshee ratio, it's an insta loss. You can't ever fight stalkers against banshees straight up. I think t vs p is easy at masters, with standard play. You want to tell me that using the 1/1/1 is harder? O man, going to start 1/1/1'ing and struggling because it takes so much skill. Give me a break. It's BS. They didn't randomly decide to make Toss stronger at early game defense in HotS for no reason. Sure part of it was to make expo'ing less risky in WoL, but another was to probably help even out the p vs t mu. Look at some of these pro terrans and their win rate against toss. It's nothing short of a joke. They could probably do w/e they wanted and win. | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On January 04 2013 07:15 The_Darkness wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 07:04 Manimal_pro wrote: On January 02 2013 20:07 playa wrote: On January 02 2013 19:29 Zombo Joe wrote: On January 02 2013 19:04 Crypdos wrote: On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: In WoL, Terran can 1a with any kind of early attack and expect to win the majority versus Toss. In HotS, it's nothing but Terran tears. "Dustin Browder set me up. In WoL, all I had to do was 1/1/1 or proxy rax. Now you're telling me I have to learn to macro? Not all-in every single game? Can you direct me to a tutorial on how to be skilful?" It's pretty much the most beautiful game I've ever played. It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. If you can play WoL, a clown game in comparison that should never be taken seriously, and you don't get HotS, then you're either a Terran player that never tried to play a real game or your ideal game is bl/infestor every game. If that's you, good riddance. You are a pretty funny guy. Cmon, U can't be serious? It's my opinion, but I also think banshees are a BS unit in WoL. I either have to pretty much blindly make a starport and pray to god you open banshees or else I 100% lose, or I'm supposed to make stalkers, something that can't 1 on 1 a banshee, so you have to make a lot of them, but... stalkers get owned by everything else. So my unit composition ends up being... something that can't trade well against jack shit, yet I have to fend off the all-in. O, I also have to expo fast against the all-in because I need the eco to produce a lot more than them since I can't trade cost efficiently. BS. this post gave me brain cancer and an aneurysm in my aorta the current metagame of pvt is 1 gate fast expand + 2 gate + robo - this buidl is so good against one base banshees it's literally a joke trying to go cloak on one base. You need to actually learn to play the game instead of complaining about OP units. Perhaps the most interesting part of his post is where he says he's forced to choose between "blindly maki[ng] a starport" and "mak[ing] stalkers". Basically he has to choose between going down two tech paths, one of which will always be impossible. No wonder he finds WOL frustrating Yeah kinda laughed at that post that acts like 1/1/1 is still the most relevant / biggest problem of PvT lol. TvP is actually pretty fun in HotS too dunno what he means about terran tears! edit^: If you really think tvp is easy at masters with standard play... and no high masters protoss should have trouble vs 1/1/1 unless they make bad mistakes, the defense is very simple and does not really require any creativity or anything, just good execution. | ||
biomech
Germany380 Posts
i like how there's new units for some races, and upgrades for others to balance stuff out its fun to play, fun to watch, and with Legacy of the Void being the nail in the coffin (in a good way) you CANNOT miss out on HoTS. WoL was fun while it lasted. Sooner or later, things will change. | ||
playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 04 2013 07:28 Pokebunny wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 07:15 The_Darkness wrote: On January 04 2013 07:04 Manimal_pro wrote: On January 02 2013 20:07 playa wrote: On January 02 2013 19:29 Zombo Joe wrote: On January 02 2013 19:04 Crypdos wrote: On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: In WoL, Terran can 1a with any kind of early attack and expect to win the majority versus Toss. In HotS, it's nothing but Terran tears. "Dustin Browder set me up. In WoL, all I had to do was 1/1/1 or proxy rax. Now you're telling me I have to learn to macro? Not all-in every single game? Can you direct me to a tutorial on how to be skilful?" It's pretty much the most beautiful game I've ever played. It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. If you can play WoL, a clown game in comparison that should never be taken seriously, and you don't get HotS, then you're either a Terran player that never tried to play a real game or your ideal game is bl/infestor every game. If that's you, good riddance. You are a pretty funny guy. Cmon, U can't be serious? It's my opinion, but I also think banshees are a BS unit in WoL. I either have to pretty much blindly make a starport and pray to god you open banshees or else I 100% lose, or I'm supposed to make stalkers, something that can't 1 on 1 a banshee, so you have to make a lot of them, but... stalkers get owned by everything else. So my unit composition ends up being... something that can't trade well against jack shit, yet I have to fend off the all-in. O, I also have to expo fast against the all-in because I need the eco to produce a lot more than them since I can't trade cost efficiently. BS. this post gave me brain cancer and an aneurysm in my aorta the current metagame of pvt is 1 gate fast expand + 2 gate + robo - this buidl is so good against one base banshees it's literally a joke trying to go cloak on one base. You need to actually learn to play the game instead of complaining about OP units. Perhaps the most interesting part of his post is where he says he's forced to choose between "blindly maki[ng] a starport" and "mak[ing] stalkers". Basically he has to choose between going down two tech paths, one of which will always be impossible. No wonder he finds WOL frustrating Yeah kinda laughed at that post that acts like 1/1/1 is still the most relevant / biggest problem of PvT lol. TvP is actually pretty fun in HotS too dunno what he means about terran tears! edit^: If you really think tvp is easy at masters with standard play... and no high masters protoss should have trouble vs 1/1/1 unless they make bad mistakes, the defense is very simple and does not really require any creativity or anything, just good execution. I got into SC 2 late, so I missed the whole 1/1/1 craze. I just started playing in masters from pretty much the get go. 90% fast expo there. So what do I do.. tailor my build to be what I consider optimal against that opening. My micro was piss poor with toss, I won't lie. I usually try to tackle problems through creativity, and that didn't really seem to do me any favors there. It's just the most exploitative build I've seen. Infestors, couldn't care less. Broodlords, at least I can try to vortex. Banshees/rines/tanks attacking together? O lord. Tell me this isn't the early game. All I can say is the build owned my life and I feel like I could own just as much life if I used it. I have to give you props for being Terran and liking HotS, as some have said it feels more like a patch for Terran than an expansion. I think there's some truth to that. Since I do enjoy playing greedy... and that's actually possible in HotS, I usually do encounter Terrans that are wondering how that's fair, since it's a 180 from what WoL was. A lot are still trying all-in'ish builds. I'm just happy as could be that I don't have to play WoL. If it weren't for HotS, I def would try to play t vs p instead of p vs p, as p vs p is also a brute force/non stop all-in fest, too. So many improvements from a toss perspective, or at least someone with my style. | ||
Avalain
Canada308 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:41 maybenexttime wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 05:41 weikor wrote: 2 years into the game and your in a Starcraft 2 dedicated forum, discussing an expansion to be released in over 3 months. Your buying it. Dont kid yourself I didn't even buy WoL, so I'm not. Not until they fix the game. But it's getting progressively worse and they missed their chance to fix the fundamental flaws. So the Starcraft 2 expansion isn't worth buying if you didn't even buy the original Starcraft 2. Well, I guess that's probably going to be the obvious answer for most people that don't actually play SC2. HOTS is also not worth buying for my wife who doesn't play or my unborn son. The big question is, "why are you here?" I mean, I get that there are other games on this site that people could be playing. But I personally don't bother with the forums for games I don't even play. Why would I? Why would anyone? I guess it's also possible that you just watch the game and don't play it, but why watch a game that you think is broken? | ||
SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On January 04 2013 07:27 Pokebunny wrote: HotS is absolutely worth it... the matchups are way way more fun again, it has clan support / replay resume / better interface / unranked matchmaking / probably more shit that I'm forgetting... so unless you wanna quit SC2 completely then of course you should buy it lol. How exactly have the matchups changed, let alone improved? TvT is the only matchup that seems any different and it's completely ruined atm... | ||
HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1053 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9237 Posts
On January 04 2013 08:07 SupLilSon wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 07:27 Pokebunny wrote: HotS is absolutely worth it... the matchups are way way more fun again, it has clan support / replay resume / better interface / unranked matchmaking / probably more shit that I'm forgetting... so unless you wanna quit SC2 completely then of course you should buy it lol. How exactly have the matchups changed, let alone improved? TvT is the only matchup that seems any different and it's completely ruined atm... Currently zergs are testing other units than infestors. I get thats problem the main reason. Also drops are more viable in tvp. | ||
choe
Germany86 Posts
wc3 is still way better then WoL. and ok, i bought diablo 3 on the day it came out. was total failure, the worst game i played in a long time. means my trust in blizzard is gone. | ||
Virid
United States130 Posts
All of the concepts behind the new units are very interesting though, so props to them for that. | ||
Fencar
United States2694 Posts
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virgol
Sweden61 Posts
On January 04 2013 12:22 Fencar wrote: I think that, maybe, everyone would want to want until the game is, you know, actually finished before jumping to conclusions. Really. 3 months left to go before release, perhaps you should wake up. As a Terran I feel cheated, and for the first time I'm considering cancelling my preorder of HotS. How could Blizzard, the company I used to love, fall so low? There's no magic, no love for the game. They lost the fundamental product and is just now desperately trying to board up a broken house - aka patching furiously. After totally conquering the RTS & MMO genres and more or less having monopoly, the businessmen has taken over leadership, trying to squeeze the most money possible out of the products instead of letting innovation and love for the products go first. The major design flaws are still here. Deathballs, warpin, unmicroable A-move units. Boring units. Immortals are strong and slow, tempests are strong and slow, colossi are strong and slow, brood lords are strong and slow, and guess what, thors and BC's are also strong and slow. Do they really have no imagination beyond the concept of strong and slow Deathball-units? What the hell were they thinking with, when they buffed early-game reapers? Why the hell are tanks still shit against Protoss? Why the heck is their solution to Terran a super-healing upgrade for the medivac? Do they think medivac play is underutilized...?! While I initially thought mothership core was a good thing; preventing allin-bonanzas in PvP and providing a little security for new tosses who wouldn't scout properly; it has of course turned the other way around - providing even deadlier blink-allins while providing invulnerability against any kind of early pokes and pressures. I won't even go into the filth of the new, extremely funny Tempest+Templar+Colossus+Carrier ball. I seriously hope they rediscover their love for the product and come up with some brilliant changes in 3 months. But I doubt it. | ||
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